Open Bar #68 - Ahsoka FINALLY Ends, Robyn Hood Destroyed, The Creator Impresses
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- čas přidán 7. 10. 2023
- The nightmare of Ahsoka is finally over as we review the last episode of the season. Meanwhile, everyone's been mocking the Robin Hood retelling for "modern audiences", and Gareth Edwards' The Creator turned out to be a decent scifi movie. Join me, Robot Head, Reaper, Disparu and MauLer at the bar!
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*Thrawn shits his pants*
Thrawn: "Just as I planned."
*BARE IN MIND* the guy writing this “genius character” is the same guy who had his protagonists’ best plan of action be “charge the front gate” and they succeeded.. he’s gonna be defeated with the power of friendship I already know.
At least he's consistent. Thrawn was just as smug and ineffective in 'Rebels'.
@@charlestonjew7587 He defeated heroes several times there...
"An acceptable outcome."
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p He catpured Hera and a piece of art from her culture. That was like the biggest victory I can recall. How many Star Destroyers, Imperial Outposts and Storm Troopers did he sacrifice over the course of the last 2 seasons for a temporary victory that had no lasting payoff?
Summary of Ashoka;
Woman travels to anothe galaxy to find a man that has ghosted her for 10 years, just so that she can friend-zone him.
Brutal. And people cried tears of joy watching it, or pretended to. The people in the grizzly comps are either paid to love it, or have no critical thinking skills, or are just like toddlers watching teletubies.
@@AliceBowie They’re entertainers. They don’t *take in* what they watch, they just make noises to gather views
And than dump him for her ambiguous lesbian age gap crush
You are joking but this is how they operate, this is a real tell in the show. Friend zone them they go insane, give them attention they will friend zone you.
@@johns.1854 Ahsoka and Sabine are just updated versions of SNL's "Ambiguously Gay Duo."
In Rogue One, they had that blind guy who couldn't use the force, but meditated and could kind of sense it. I thought that was a great explanation of how an average everyday person in the galaxy views the force and a good way of showing the force actually does flow through everything, it's just not everyone can wield it
Yes. Donnie Yen's character was really written. Having a spiritual connection with the force doesn't make you a Jedi.
Agreed
Big fan of donnie
He was force sensitive, otherwise he would be killed instantly
I loved that guy. wish he would have lasted longer in the battle
*Imagine if a general / colonel following WW2* just hops in a plane with their child and flies around looking for Nazi’s.. a senator says “Hey you’re being pretty irresponsible” only for the general / colonel to reply “f*** you ! I don’t answer to anybody!” The senator tries to pull her up on it - only for higher ups to undermine you. This was Hera in this series.
To me she had no purpose here other than "Hey look! Remember Rebels?"
And since that child is also the general's son, she should really get a visit from the government's child protective agency, or the equivalence.
America does worse stuff than that weekly.
@@seanbreen7556 And looking hot and having a nice butt
@@O1OO1O1 America is going downhill.
12:20 In fairness, Thrawn always cared about his men, which actually makes the episode worse because he sends so many stormtroopers to their deaths. Thrawn never viewed his crew as expendable.
He even reprimands one of the other generals who smugly discusses his troops dying.
@@jonbaxter2254 Exactly. This show completely butchers Thrawn.
Wait are you saying a modern Disney writer has a fundamental misunderstanding of a character especially a villain? No waaaaay.
@@virtueofabsolution7641 The problem is that they got Thrawn right in Rebels, so all they had to do is replicate what they did in that show.
Aren’t all the stormtroopers already dead?
29:10 Mauler has been consistently coming up with better idea than the actual writers for this show.
I badly want Mauler to have the reins of a show. Script, direction, actors. I think it would be a masterpiece.
@@jonbaxter2254 I think he would be better as a script reviewer and an idea guy.
The funniest thing about Filoni's writing to me is that, so far, The World Between Worlds only exists as an escape hatch for his favorite OC. It's one and only narrative function has been to bail Ahsoka out of certain-death situations.
I would not be the least bit surprised if this Thrawn "arc" wraps up with Ahsoka wandering off to go explore TWBW so that Dave can keep inserting her into more Star Wars projects, regardless of where they fall in the timeline.
She will travel back in time to _invent_ Jedi.
Disney’s insistence that everything they create is beyond criticism and that the fans are wrong, racists, bigots, etc. reminds me of the episode of the Simpsons when Principal Skinner is contemplating his actions and says “Am I the one that’s out of touch? No, it’s the children who are wrong!”
Zombie Stormtroopers sum up Disney Star Wars perfectly. Dead Franchise and can't hit the mark.
Ahsoka and Sabine: *trapped in a galaxy far far away*
Nicholas Damiani: "CALL THE SPACE WHALES LIKE YOU DID BEFORE AND COMMAND THEM TO BRING YOU HOME!"
Shooting Stars playing
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p😂😂
Exactly
You mean "Ahsoka and Sabine: *shipped in a galaxy far far away* "
Could they be trapped in the WH40k galaxy ?
Ahsoka's "villain" is like Dave Filoni himself. Makes stupid decisions, and proclaims that it's all part of this so-called master plan. You shouldn't lie to yourself; it only makes you look foolish. 🎉
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He was like this in 'Rebels' as well so Filoni destroyed the character long before 'Ahsoka'.
One thing that kills me is that people talk about Thrawn as being this "great character from Rebels". That is a slap in the face to Timothy Zahn. Thrawn existed as a brilliant character before the prequel trilogy existed.
@@charlestonjew7587 He was semi-competent in Rebels.
@@nathanbeverley247Thrawn was never a good character. Not even in the original Zahn novels.
Ahsoka looks like she is directed traffic at the airport when she is wielding her light sabers.
In the novels about the origins of John Thrawn, there's a part about his childhood, where his father, who isn't blue at all, walked into the room where Boy Thrawn was sitting and he asked his son, "are you winning, son?" and the boy answered "no..." in deep shame. He felt so ashamed of the fact that he wasnt winning that he promised himself that he would always pretend to be winning from then on. It's a heart-breaking tale of childhood trauma. Very sad.
And then he yelled “it’s thrawn’n time”
If yer not first...
Robyn Hood is in the same vein as Black Panther with the stereotypes. Just with more fatherlessness and promiscuity instead of monkey noises and spear throwing.
I didnt notice a lack of monkey noises at all
Hey, the Roman military primarily used spears - pilae - too. Of course, if they had space-magic technology the Romans would probably be using railguns or lazers from entrenched positions instead of running around in disorganised mobs like autistic children in pitched melee battles with aliens that conveniently forgot to bring a single weapon off their spaceship.
What about the monkey noises from all the Kangs in the stadium at the end of Antman 3. 😂
From Thanos to that.
@@douglasstewart4790 Romans used them 'cause they're great fire-and-forget ranged weapons for their military, can mess up the target badly if they don't block it with a shield, and makes the shield useless if they _do_ block it.
The main difference is that the Romans also didn't have the technology for guns.
Robyn hood looks like a crappy low budget blacksploitation film from the 70s
There is no excuse for Ahsoka, Ming-Na Wen who plays Fennec Shand is like 59 years old and is the best thing in The Book of Boba Fett. She kicks Ass.
She's got the helmet, makes it easy to switch her out with stunt women.
I think it was Mauler in his recent Star Wars won’t grow up video that referred to “toxic positivity.” I really felt that observation, and think it’s worthwhile to call out. The clapping seals who will make ANY excuse to shower D+ shows with praise for ANYthing really are a source of toxicity.
It's like the worst aspects of Tumblr infected Twitter first. Then they infected Hollywood. Now it's just a big Tumblr circle jerk. The amount of Tumblresque women foaming at the gash to see a Sabine/Shin Hati lesbian love fest is sickening.
They are why gatekeeping needs to exist. We need to defend nerd hobbies from cretins because they can and will ruin everything if they’re allowed in
You forgot another star wars law - When your ship is f-cked, turn around in the cockpit and open a panel on the back wall, move some wires around for 2 minutes, and you’re back online. 👍
"Something something, the motivator, something, offline!"
It makes more sense that Ezra Bridger had subtly used the Force to give the green lightsaber to Sabine, letting her think she does have the Force and have her moment.
You are in a galaxy far far away, lost.
that’d be hilarious
Then it wouldn't be Female. I'm with her.
I agree, but unfortunately that won't happen in a Disney Star Wars show.
How I would fix the last 2 episodes of Ashoka:
Have Sabine be brought before Thrawn. Thrawn orders her execution right there and then. Balen steps in front, explains his deal to let her go to Ezra in exchange for her help. Thrawn chuckles and says very well my forces last saw Ezra alive at these coordinates and let's her go, no silly wolf thing. When Sabine finally arrives at the coordinates she discovers that Thrawns forces had tracked down and killed Ezra years prior, this would not only make Thrawn appear more competent/menacing but also cause Sabine to realize she betrayed everyone for nothing. Thrawn then takes off confirms the location of the hyperspace lane to the system from the SW Galaxy then declares "I shall now reveal the technology I acquired in this galaxy that shall help us reconquer ours." He then releases perfect cloaked asteroids at the space lane exit before hyperspace jumping.
The final episode begins with Ashoka's ship arriving and immediately hitting the cloaked asteroids taking serious damage forcing a landing on the planet where Sabine is. Que Ashoka looking for Sabine and confronting her about what she did. We then have Sabine breakdown and admit she was wrong and let her own personal feelings prevent her from doing what was right. We could (if we rewrite the rest of the show) have Ashoka's journey through line be dealing with this exact same issue and that she came to the conclusion that helps Sabine move forward in the world between worlds. The episode would then end with the two teaming up to begin fixing the ship.
The B plot with Hera would end with her being demoted back to just a grunt pilot (since that's all they know how to use her anyway) maybe throw in a line about how she needs to relearn how to follow orders and the value of the lives of her men and that hopefully she will learn starting back at the bottom.
To give some insight on Ahsoka's age:
In the Clone Wars we meet her when she's 14. The Clone Wars was a 4 year conflict, so Ahsoka ends the war at 18 years old. In Rebels when she fights Vader, that's 15 years after Revenge of the Sith so she's 33 years old. The time travel shenanigans that saved Ahsoka's life had her jump forward in time 3 years, since Ezra was 3 years older when he grabbed her in the World Between Worlds. Ahsoka takes place 10 years after Rebels, so she is 43 years old biologically but 46 years old chronologically.
In terms of the Force, it frequently allows people to pull off feats that defy the limits of their old body. Count Dooku was 82 years old when Anakin killed him, and he was doing a pretty good job of fighting Anakin despite his advanced age. Yoda was doing badass flips and twirls despite being over 900 years old. Palpatine was in his 70s and he killed 3 Jedi Masters in the blink of an eye, and he only narrowly lost to Mace Windu. Mace Windu himself was in his mid 60s when he fought Palpatine, and he defeated one of the most powerful Sith Lords ever.
Ahsoka being 46 years old (43 biologically) should be child's play for the Force. She should be just as fast and nimble as when she was in her youth given how the Force works. It would take at least until her 60s or 70s for Ahsoka to start slowing down, given how the Force allows you to overcome physical limitations.
Luke in his 60s/70s being badass with the force is what I would have loved to see but alas….
I agree. This should be a easy for Ashoka but because Rosario Dawson is slow in her movements, it’s not conveyed well
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Guess Togruta age differently?
Smokey's reaction to Ahsoka is spot on. He doesn't even need words to express the effect it has on the viewer.
Can't believe they did it in same show.
One woman gets impaled by a lightsaber, survives just fine. Other woman drops dead from a less severe strike.
One of them put all of her points into constitution on levelup.
@@utarefson9 Makes sense, she certainly didn't put them into Charisma or Intelligence!
Clearly the other woman was running low on hit points
The Storm Troopers stopping to watch the Morgan, Ahsoka fight was ridiculous. Sabine sacrificing everything just to see this 1 guy, but he's "like a brother" to her. That doesn't really add up.
Well, in today’s world, we can’t possibly have a woman yearning for the love of a man. You can’t show it, can’t imply it, can’t do it. Full stop. Women strong. Men weak. Women don’t need no man. PATHETIC.
About the fact that they had a circular firing squad it's just only done by stupid people that can't understand there's something called friendly fire.
Robothead was a fantastic guest, Get him back soon!
Robot Head and Reaper. Yes.
If everyone had access to the force then Thrawn would just train himself and his stormtroopers to be jedis.
I truly have no idea what Dave was thinking when writing Ezra. He's not even a character, may as well just be a table given that Ezra sacrificed his own future to save the galaxy from Thrawn and he's just completely ok with Sabine throwing his sacrifice away because she wants to say hi. How do you write this, honestly? Sabine has not once, but twice made horrible decisions that have led to this stupid ending; stealing the map in the first episode which allowed it to be stolen in the first place, and then again by just handing the map to Baylen instead of destroying it (WHEN SHE THINKS HE JUST KILLED ASHOKA TOO). Ezra should be horrified when he sees Sabine, terrified that somehow she's been damned to this galaxy and his sacrifice was worthless. FFS Dave Filoni must keep wear that cowboy hat to hide the empty head where his brain used to be.
It would've been interesting if Sabine had to grapple with guilt over helping Thrawn while trying reconcile with a resentful Ezra who became much more cold and callous due to his experiences during his years alone. Kind of reminds me of Vi and Jinx's relationship in Arcane.
@@SolarDragon007 Oh yeah, you could do something interesting with this, but that would require Dave's writing to admit Sabine did something wrong. Ezra could be cold from the isolation and actually actually resent Sabine for doing this and undermining his sacrifice. There is something here as a writer, but Dave will waste the potential as Disney Star Wars consistently does.
Don't forget Ahsoka found the map because Morgan told her about it haha step one. lead the enemy to the one thing your mission depends on. The thing you knew was there but never went to get it yourself.
@@TheLoos3Goos33 I'm glad more and more people are recognizing how much of a hack Filoni is. His abilities were always extremely overrated including when he wrote TCW.
@@SolarDragon007With Clone Wars, he was just the showrunner. George and the rest of the writing team did most of the actual work. Same with Rebels and Bad Batch. He’s fine with supervision, but on his own, he’s awful.
The zombie stormtroopers are a representation of Star Wars.
That's a bit of an understatement.
Ahsoka the ultimate key jingling experience full of member-berries to appease the clapping seals! What a joke of a show,
the best part is the 8 episodes cost over 200 million to make!
Ashoka is one of the Star Wars shows ever
$200 million wasted
@@chasehedges6775 hey it saved Star Wars lol.
Heh, not even anime waste beyond 5 million USD and thats 12 episodes with 30 min duration
I wonder where that money went
I think the thing the director of Robyn Hood doesn’t understand is that the character of Robin Hood was a noble before Prince John started all of his bullshit. He was someone closer to John’s standing but he still saw the damage being done to those less fortunate and decided to do something about it. He didn’t need to be a hero but he chose to be a hero because it was the right thing to do against John and his unjust way of treating his subjects.
This show doesn’t understand that. It’s one thing to be inspired by Robin Hood and it’s another to just miss the point of his character entirely.
Robin was never against the system per se. He fought against the scoundrels that have taken control of the system while the rightful ruler was gone.
This is literally the first time I’m hearing that there was a Robin Hood movie/TV show for “modern audiences”. The second I heard “black bisexual woman”, I groaned and let out a mighty “oh no, here we go again…” From what you’re describing and what the trailer seems to say, it sounds like it’s so hilariously bad, but also actual torture to sit through. And “Director X” blames the negative response on racism….no, buddy, we’re just sick of classic, timeless stories being ruined just to push THE MESSAGE.
I know the Kevin Costner one had its flaws, but I’ll take that any day over this trash. Glad this new one’s getting destroyed.
Director X should go back to making music videos where you don't have worry about it.
The Kevin Costner one had the advantage of coming out in the 90s, a much better year for movies
@@chasehedges6775 absolutely, I agree, the 90s were an awesome decade for movies.
The Kevin Costner one had Alan Rickman as the satan worshipping sheriff of Nottingham, with a witch mother.
Robin Hood 1991 was a Masterpiece compared to that joke of a show ..... Hell, even Robin Hood : Men in Tights was far Superior to that Dog Shit.
The Az dance is my favorite part of this new intro too lol
I think his head is overlayed on top of the dude that drunkenly fumbles of from a ramp of stairs so yea...it looks like he's dancing 😂
This is so great seeing Robot Head on Open Bar!! 😮
Agreed!
Personally I'd prefer to see his lady friend on a bar, but that's just me.
Is he related to radiohead?
One of my favourite things about Christopher Lee is he was taught Fencing by Errol Flynn & was told he was better & more imposing Fighter because of his pure athleticism & size & actually surpassed Flynn as a fencer.
I loved him as Rochfort in the 1970’s Musketeer movies
Ahsoka finally convulsing on the floor covered in its own shit and piss, like most of Disney's recent creations.
SOOO TRUE
Except Andor. That's great.
@@darthkek1953 Andor was awesome but thats not saying much
Did you watch it?
Did we really expect it to not?
This Thrawn character sounds like Zapp Brannigan.
Listening to the fans alone isn't a solution. Instead, they should be listening to the ones who are actively criticizing Disney Star Wars and pointing out how it could be improved.
But they are the fans the rest are just shills and normies who don´t care enough to criticize.
The problem now is that Disney has cultivated a fanbase that only likes the mediocre, key-jangling shows as of late. Andor's low view count is evidence of that, despite it's quality. Disney either has to spend a lot of money with no guarantee of return to rebuild the Star Wars reputation, or continue making the same shitty shows for the meager returns they do get (which are rapidly diminishing). It certainly doesn't help that they've handed the IP's reins to a fan-fiction writer that can't even write halfway decent stories.
Rosario’s problem might be that Disney isn’t spending the money to train her for 6mo and also have amazing choreographers to design the fights.
Hayden has over a decade of sword training to remember. But I bet they won’t spend the cash to train Rosario and bring in a great fight team.
The what the actual fuck did they spend the rumored $200 million budget on??
@@piercedbylight
Catering...
Janitorial staff...
Children - this is Hollywood and Disney...
Oh!
CGI.
Why not just use stunt doubles?
Sure but young Ahsoka did a better at fighting than she did.
@@joumero7493👍👍💯💯.
If A New Hope was made today: Falcon gets pulled into the Death Star hangar, two Stormtroopers approach. Obi-Wan force pushes them back and slashes a panel with his lightsaber. This disables the tractor beam and starts a chain reaction, because that's what he needed to happen. Obi Wan says "Run Luke, run!" as Vader stabs him through the gut. They escape on the Falcon, and Luke looks mildly sad. Then, we see Obi-Wan force-pulling himself to the Falcon, he comes into the airlock, and quips "it was only a flesh wound." Meanwhile, Vader escapes the exploding Death Star in his Tie Fighter, folds his arms smugly and says "All too easy..." as he zooms into the distance.
-Written by Dave Filoni
Fucking L M A O.
Remarkable how Ahsoka has characters who cannot die, but nobody cares if they live.
My favorite low budget streaming series was called "booth at the end" and the entire show takes place in a booth at a diner. It's literally just a conversation between characters, but it's well written and acted.
2:04:06
Funny that Disparu should mention this. George Lucas actually hired someone to keep track of the Expanded Universe, to keep everything in order, making sure everything that was added didn't break lore and continuity within the EU. The guy's name was Leland Chee aka Keeper of the Holocron. He literally had a database (the holocron) that sounded very similar to the one Disparu described Brandon Sanderson's lore-keeper having. Leland Chee kind of dropped off the internet after the buyout happened though. He's still at Lucasfilm, but I don't think he's serving in the same capacity as before.
I'm fairly certain I remember seeing him credited in Mando season one, but that was years ago so I could be wrong.
Every part of Asoka was bad. Not one thing made sense even by the standards of recent Starwars. You guys nailed it on all points.
They really needed a line in Ashoka where Thron mentions he has tiger blood. He’s a winning.
Reminds me of LucasArts 'Star Wars Galaxies: An Empire Divied', jedi were super rare and force sensitivity was unlocked by shear luck with an odds of like 1 in 10 million. Then when Sony reworked it into 'Star Wars Galaxies: The New Gaming Experience', a player could select a jedi as class right into the start of the game. Sure enough, every city was inundated with lightsaber rave parties.
I love how ezra had a complete meltdown, realising his sacrifice in rebels was in vain after sabine gave up the only way for thrawn to return. Oh wait, he didn't..........
He did, they just conveniently cut around the scene
"nah, it'll be fine."
Smokey's 15 second summary of Ahsoka was spot on. They were role playing the main characters' dialogues.
You're right!! It was so witty and intelligent, it flew right over my head!
Okay, I had a LONG discussion with my best friend about this last night. She watched the last episode then, and I didn't tell her spoilers.
I told her the rumor (about Kennedy destroying the force), that was given in episode three or four. Before Thrawn and the Night Sisters.
She absolutely lost it, especially since it was shown the pattern for this to happen. Also since all the female force users are now in a different Galaxy.
She's a huge fan of Rebels and loved Ahsoka. But over time, our discussion turned to what makes writing good and memorable. Especially since we rp often and I was telling her about Mauler’s comparison of episode five to other, better, series who handled the situation in memorable moments.
She remembered those episodes, so I simply asked her if she has a bad memory of television series, why can she remember those episodes on mere mention?
She was struck dumb by it, and she didn’t have an answer. We actually spent time from that discussing the issue with Disney and Star Wars.
I didn’t ruin it for her, but just gave her that one point that is so overlooked for her to see what I had been trying to explain to her.
Our debate changed from Thrawn being the best villain (Filoni’s version), to how Zhan made him in the beginning and how much he had changed.
It was engaging and I haven’t had a debate like that for years, all because EFAP, Drinker and Mauler helped me with the information that helped her understand.
Thank you.
Also, even before I changed her mind, she blatantly refused to watch anything non-Force related. Even a second season of Ahsoka.
A fan was genuinely saying we need S2 to find out if Ahsoka just gave up or not. How can you watch a full season and not know a character well enough to know if they’ll simple give up or not?
And then, how can you still be a fan? What exactly are you getting from the experience?
Rosario Dawson doesn’t care. She’s got a gravy train job. The young actress playing Ashoka in flashbacks however- is KILLIN’ IT! She’s like, it should be my show…
Never heard of this Robyn Hood. I mean, why is/was it a thing? 🤦🏾♀️.
Are there no new stories to tell? I mean, on a planet of like 9bn ppl, we've exhausted all original thought? 🤷🏾♀️
Go look it up, and “Director X” having a meltdown calling everyone rahcist because it’s absolutely terrible. Like shockingly bad.
It's about *THE MESSAGE.*
My favorite part was the Star Destroyer’s cannons having the firepower of a hand grenade 😂
It seems to me that even I can imagine a more interesting idea for this series than what the screenwriter wrote (which is generally not difficult), even without any screenwriting skills. At the same time, I will leave, in part, those parts of the plot that Disney “dumped out”.
Imagine this plot for the series: After the fall of the Empire, Ahsoka does what we saw her doing in season 2 of The Mandalorian - she hunts former Imperial officers, tracking down and bringing to trial those who were able to escape justice from the New Republic. And sometimes Ahsoka already begins to cross the line - she kills the henchmen of these “fugitive criminals”, and maybe even kills one or two “criminals”. This makes her doubt herself and wonder if she has followed the path of her mentor. In fact, she becomes a kind of “Punisher” from the world of Star Wars, because, let me remind you, in “Rebels” she no longer completely followed the Jedi code. And now several of the "high value targets" she has captured for the Republic are talking about Thrawn's return, which will change the entire galaxy.
And Morgan Elsbeth’s interrogation leads Ahsoka to an ancient magical MacGuffin device - a map of hyperspace paths that lead to some long-lost corner of space where, as supporters of the Empire believe, Thrawn is located. Only this map is located on Mandalore, because once upon a time, during the war between the Mandalorians and the Jedi, it was captured in battle, and then hidden on Mandalore, because the possession of this map, according to the Mandalorians, could give the Jedi an advantage in the war. And so, after Ahsoka receives the map and kills the Empire's minions who were on her trail, she discovers that the map is hidden by a secret Mandalorian Cipher, which she does not know. She tries to contact the Mandalorians she knows - Bo-Katan Kryze or Din Jaren, but she is unable to contact any of them. As a result, she has to go to the only Mandalorian she still knows - Sabine Wren.
Sabine spends her time on Lothal, where she settled after the war. At the same time, despite the fact that the population honors her as a hero, the authorities of the New Republic rather treat her as a relic of the war, and also a rather unreliable element, because many Mandalorians, after the destruction of their world, became pirates, bandits and mercenaries, which is completely doesn't help their reputation. Sabine herself is lost because she doesn't feel like part of her people, her new "family" (the team from "Rebels") is scattered across the galaxy/dead/disappeared, and the New Republic doesn't need her help. She has no goal, because for a long time her goal was to overthrow the Empire, and now that this has happened, she does not know what to do. And in this state Ahsoka finds her.
And Sabine is angry at Ahsoka. We learn that after the events of Rebels ended, Ahsoka and Sabine set out to find Ezra. That they spent years searching for any clues, even skipping the end of the war with the Empire to search for their long-lost friend. But in the end, Ahsoka decided that there was no more hope and decided to search for the ex-Imperials, giving up the idea of finding Ezra and accepting that he was dead or gone forever. And Sabine could never forgive Ahsoka for this. In “my version,” Sabine, of course, was never Ahsoka’s student and is not force-sensitive at all. And now Ahsoka lures her with the idea that they can find Ezra if Sabine can decipher the map that is hidden in the codes of her people. At the same time, Ahsoka is tormented by the thought that she does not know what she wants more - to find Ezra, or to “punish” Thrawn.
Somewhere at this time, Ahsoka and Sabine are attacked by Beilan Skoll's student, Shin, with the support of assassin droids. Assoka is forced to fight several droids, and Shin, in turn, attacks Sabine, wounds her, presumably cutting off her hand, and takes the map. But Shin does not have time to kill Sabine, because Ahsoka, who is stronger than her, keeps up, and Shin has to run away.
A small digression - Balon and Sheen still pull Morgan Elsbeth out of the New Republic prison ship, they simply use the ciphers of the new Republic itself, which they received from someone “inside the system”, and, once on the ship, they obsolete the “funny cut of the crew ".
Next, Sabine remains in the medical center on Lothal, but before that she manages to pull out part of the memory from the head of one of the droids that attacked her and Ahsoka earlier. Thanks to this, they find out that the location where the droid was before Lothal is Corellia.
Knowing that Corellia is one of the main planets of the New Republic, Ahsoka contacts Hera Sendula, who is now a general of the New Republic. Together with her, they go to Corellia, where they eventually find a cell loyal to the empire, which, using the bureaucracy of the Republic, secretly produces equipment for the Imperials. At the end of this “series”, Ahsoka encounters Shin and defeats her outright, almost killing her, and if it weren’t for the ship that arrived in time and fired at Ahsoka, she would definitely have died.
Hera and Chopper manage to install a tracking device on the enemy ship (which, of course, is launched using an automatic system, and not thrown by the droid manually). Which ultimately gives them the coordinates of the planet where our “villains” are hiding.
Hera, of course, goes to the new republic to try to organize a pursuit mission, while Ahsoka goes to Sabine to take her as an ally, because now she needs everyone she can get. Let's skip the question of why she didn't go, for example, to Luke, because here we need to apply the same rule as in the early Marvel films, when some Captain America didn't call the avengers in his solo film - simply because this is his solo film.
On their way to the planet where Morgan Elsbeth is hiding, Sabine and Ahsoka learn that the New Republic Senate has not authorized a full-scale mission, but Hera promises to come up with something. Arriving at the planet, Ahsoka's ship is immediately attacked by the Eye of Sauron, a huge hyperspace accelerator. To make matters worse, their ship is damaged and they are forced to make an emergency landing on the surface. In addition, the Imperial Loyalists are jamming communications and are unable to contact their allies. But Huyang establishes that there is an Imperial outpost nearby, where Ahsoka and Sabine go in the hope of finding some way to stop the enemies.
The outpost of the Empire turns out to be ancient ruins, where Shin is already waiting for Ahsoka and Sabine. Ahsoka declares that she has already defeated her once, to which Baylan Skoll, who appears “from around the corner,” says that this time Ahsoka will not fight with her. Baylan states that Morag Elsbeth has already received everything she needs, and all that remains is to install the last hyperspace engine before sending it to the target. A duel begins, in which Baylan fights Ahsoka, and Sabine is forced to face the Shin again, although this time she has an advantage in the form of her gadgets and beskar armor.
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During the duel, Baylan constantly manipulates Ahsoka's feelings. He tells her that he followed her “crusade” across the galaxy, that she is not too different from her teacher, tells her about the fall of the Jedi Order and the misfortunes that followed the survivors. In the end, he manages to defeat Ahsoka, disarming her but not killing her. At the same time, Shin still defeats Sabine again and is about to kill her, but Beilan stops her hand by simply slowing down his student’s lightsaber using the Force. Shin is furious and even takes a step forward as if preparing to attack his teacher, while Beilan remains calm. In this scene we see the contrast between the teacher and his student.
Beilan sees Sabine's deep thoughts. He knows that years ago she lost not just a friend, but a lover, and now she yearns to have him back. He calls her with him, telling her that Thrawn will return in any case, and in Sabine he feels a kindred spirit - the one who lost everyone who was close to her, the one who was betrayed by those she trusted. And he is ready to help her. At this time, Ahsoka declares that Sabine should not be listened to, that the Empire cannot rise. However, she gives out some phrase like “Ezra’s life is not worth such sacrifices!”, which pushes Sabine away from her and forces her to accept Beilan’s offer. Enraged and unable to control herself, Ahsoka releases a wave of dark force energy, causing the ruins in which the action takes place to collapse and Ahsoka herself to fall somewhere into the darkness below.
The next episode is all about Ahsoka. She finds herself in ancient catacombs, built on one of the “places of power.” And these catacmobs act as a "place of power" on Dagobah, where Luke ended up in the original Trilogy. This is where all the same “flashbacks” with Anakin, Darth Vader and the Clone Wars take place. Only Ahsoka is tormented by what she has become. She thinks about how she followed the path of Darth Vader, and that perhaps she was always destined to follow her master's path. However, the main lesson for her in this episode, and all meetings with
Hayden Christensen - Anakin, is that she is not her teacher. And that even Darth Vader had "light" at the end. Ahsoka realizes that she should not have been the Punisher, that she has strayed too far from the path of the Jedi. In other words, she gains “inner” balance, which ultimately allows her to leave the catacombs.
In the next episode, Hera, just like in the series, begins an unauthorized mission, recruiting a small force to stop the Imperial Loyalists. Taking advantage of her role as not only a general, but also a war hero, and also giving some small speech, she leads her squad to the planet in whose orbit the “Eye of Sauron” is hovering. However, she fails to stop the space station from leaving. As a result, she meets with Ahsoka, who lies to Hera about Sabine being captured. Ahsoka uses, God forgive me, space whales to go after Elsbeth, and Hera returns to the Republic, where they are preparing to condemn her for violating a direct order.
But during this episode, Hera manages to collect evidence that one of the Senators (the same Asian senator from the series) is in fact a Loyalist of the Empire, and that it was he who covered the cell on Correllia and deliberately slowed down Hera’s mission. This, in turn, allows her to “get away with it.”
In the next episode, Morag Elsbeth, Sabine, Balon Skoll and Shin arrive on the planet to which the ancient map led. A planet appears before them, which is the embodiment of duality. Part of the planet is lush jungles and beautiful fields, while the other part is ash wastelands and lava seas. The planet is full of dangerous predators and a wide variety of natural traps. And here such things await us as fragments of the earth flying in the air, lightning striking directly from the bowels of the earth, etc. And in the midst of all this Chaos, our “villains” find Thrawn.
And Thrawn has seriously changed. He literally appears to us as a religious Zealot. He is obsessed with the idea of building an eternal, indestructible empire. He is served by the Night Mothers of Dathomir, who use their magic in favor of Thrawn. Thrawn's stormtroopers are religious fanatics, absolutely and unquestioningly loyal to Thrawn. Their armor is decorated with golden religious ornaments, ancient fetishes and strange symbols. Thrawn's officers wear gold masks and do not show their faces. In fact, we see a perverted cult growing out of the fusion of the Imperial ideology of the faith of the Witches of Dathomir.
The Imperials, loyal to Morgan Elsbeth and former officers of the Imperial Army, look at Thrawn with concern, because he is not what they expected. But they have to obey him. Thrawn, in turn, tells Morgan that the planet they find themselves on is Mortis - a place between galaxies where perhaps the Force is strongest. And that the ancient ancestors of the Dathomirians, whose descendants are the Night Witches, revealed to him a lot about the structure of the galaxy. Thrawn tells Elsbeth that she has served him well, and that they will soon return to the Galaxy, which he could not do before, since he did not know the way.
At the same time, her ship arrives in Mortis’s orbit. Space whales - pergloves - are drawn to Mortis because they are force-sensitive creatures, so Ahsoka would 100% end up in Mortis's orbit. Next, we are still waiting for the fighters to chase Ahsoka’s ship, as a result of which she has to hide on the planet.
At the same time, Thrawn releases Sabine into the wastelands of Mortis to search for Ezra. From his point of view, she will either die or finally lead him to Bridger, who has been hiding somewhere on the surface of Mortis for 10 years. At the same time, Beilan Skoll decides to leave Elsbeth. It turns out that it was Mortis who was looking for, because he was disillusioned with the path of the Jedi, and the path of the Sith was not for him. Balon wants to find a different path, something between Darkness and Light, and the best place to do this is Mortis. At the same time, he tells Shin that she remains here because the Empire is her place, since her path is the path of the dark side of the force, because she will not be able to comprehend anything else. Shin tries to attack Balon, but he easily disarms and defeats her, as Thrawn watches with a smile.
Once on the planet, Ahsoka manages to sense Sabine, whom she finds and saves from a group of humanoid predators that almost defeated her, simply by sheer numbers and physical strength. After which, Ahsoka suddenly senses the presence of Ezra, whom they go to look for. Eventually, the two heroines find Ezra in the ancient Temple on the "Light Side" of Mortis, where Ezra has been living among a primitive race of force-sensitive creatures for the past 10 years. And, Ezra is horrified. The fact that they are here on Mortis means that the way is open and that Thrawn can leave. Ezra says that Thrawn and his Night Mothers have learned secrets that must not be released into the galaxy, because if they do, something even more terrible than the Empire awaits them. However, at
this time we are waiting for a declaration of love from Sabine, which smooths out the conflict, because Ezra also retained feelings for her all these years. The heroes realize that they must stop Thrawn and prevent him from escaping.
At this time, we are also treated to scenes in which Shin, in fact, becomes a student of Morgan Elsbeth, who decides to teach her the ways of power of the Witches of Dathomir.
Ahsoka, Sabine and Ezra travel to Thrawn's fortress-temple, where his Destroyer prepares to depart with the help of the Eye of Sauron. There they have to face zombie stormtroopers, revived with the help of the Witches' sorcery. Ahsoka cuts undead soldiers into pieces, and even Sabine has to use Ezra's lightsaber, which she carries with her as a reminder, because blasters are not very effective against the undead. Ezra destroys his enemies with pure force, and we see how much stronger he has become. Ezra states that this is exactly what he fears - the Empire of monsters and the dark magic that Thrawn will bring to the galaxy. At the end, Sabine and Ezra encounter Shin and defeat her, although she manages to escape while Ahsoka kills Morgan Elsbeth. But despite the strength of the heroes, Thrawn manages to escape. Although Ezra and Sabin infiltrate the Destroyer, thanks to the fact that Ahsoka, with the help of force, holds the docking ramp. But as a result of this, Ahsoka herself gets stuck on Mortis.
In the end, we still see Balon against the background of the monuments of the "Family of Force Creatures" (or whatever they are called in the canon), Ezra and Sabine arrive to Hera and the New Republic with dark Thoughts, and Ahsoka decides to explore Mortis, having studied the ways of the Force , and perhaps find something that will help them defeat Thrawn, with whom they will soon have to wage war again.
Marked improvement that would retain most of the same sets and plot beats. And also _uses_ what was written before.
Filoni's gonna regret making this show if for no other reason than people are really reassessing his previous work. For instance, if you watch both, Filoni isn't responsible for most of the characters in Clone Wars, he lifted most from Genndy Tartakovski's Clone Wars, he literally just came up with Ahsoka and the witches, both of whom come across as super annoying.
He stole the witches from the EU. He did make them worse though.
@@BetaRayBill32 that makes even more sense! So really Ahsoka and the Rebels characters are the only ones he created, and guess who the main characters in his first live action TV show were!
Robot Head on the Open Bar. Yeeeeees! A dream come true
Hey Drinkie, your pups are always shocking at 1st, like they look VERY RELAXED. I'm always like, "Oh dear, are they ok?" LOL. They really get it in and take full advantage of them sleeps! They're an inspiration. 😂
If you get the force by fully believing you have the force then where are all the Force Sensitive Scitzos?
Robot Head on Open Bar? I can die happy now!!
So awesome to see Robot Head on Open Bar. Two of my favorite shows. It's like peanut butter and chocolate.
Feel free to offer any corrections or additions.
Ashoka talk is from 4:20 to 1:08:20
Robyn Hood at 1:09:35. Check Notes for this one.
The Creator at 1:26:35
I would listen to the superchats as well. They talk abut the MCU, Star Wars, One Piece, Resident Eviil, and Saw 10. My personal favorites were "bad theater experiences" and "no decapitations for Zombie Stormtroopers.
Note for the Robyn Hood portion: Critical Drinker wasn't able to put sound up for the trailer. Take a moment to look up "Robyn Hood trailer" on youtube before they start talking about it. Should be about 1 minute long, but by god does it have a load of cringe for you. Best to have context... even if it hurts.
thank you for this! I'm listening to the entire thing but I wanted to know how chunky every bit is
Critical Drinker celebrating middle age by not being able to share the trailer with sound was just grand. Welcome to the club and cheers, mate!
@@MrsMacLoverI did love that portion. Felt super boomer and I just said to myself "you are adorable".
thx!!
Take my upvote! Thank you fren!
Actually, Filonni was a supervisor of that animated series and only had direct input on a few episodes. Also, some of his major ideas for that series was overruled by Lucas.
Good. Lucas knows more about the star wars universe... you know, SINCE HE MADE IT.
This explains why Clone wars isn't shit
0:01 Cool new intro
When WW2 ended, my grandmother got told by a woman dancing down the street yelling 'the wars over! the wars over!' My grandmother said "Idiot" and went back to her laundry.
Speaking of censoring butts, not only did Disney censor Splash, they also changed the '94 X-Men cartoon. Jean Grey's costume was a bit too thong-like, so on D+ they changed it to give more coverage.
Bruh.
on that discussion about morals around 33:00, it's made even worse by the fact that in order to present their belief that doing something obviously bad is actually good, they have to perform mental
gymnastics within the writing to make sure the people (Asian general man) are portrayed the right way (according to them) to make that come off.
it's like watching someone argue in their own head
I always hate it when the critical voice in the story is just made "annoying" early on and everyone acts like being annoying makes them wrong. This, the SWORD guy in WandaVision being mildly smug in a meeting, etc.
It's like the Ned's girlfriend in School of Rock being 100% right to wanna throw Dewey out for never paying rent, so she's cast as Sarah Silverman being bitchy and condescending so we side against her even though she's still right.
Then I compare both these to Andor, how there's the smug intelligence bureau guy who's always talking down to Dedra in the meetings calling her unprofessional; but the boss is straightup with her "No, he's right. You _have_ no evidence. Bring me evidence, or let him do his job." . . . And rather than bitching about how all the boys are being sexist and worse at her job than she is, Dedra . . . goes and gets evidence, and when the coworker starts his shit again she calmly posits that he's the one who probably should've been on top of this rather than letting her do his job for him and acting smug to cover his own ass.
Another thing is Lucas _never_ wasted time on this.
You know who's the naysayer character in Star Wars? Han Solo.
They finally got Robothead on!
Wow... robot head comes quite close of matching Mr Platoons posh-ness
He has similarities to Mauler as well but brings his own schtick to the table, adding more humor 😂
I love how excited Disparu gets over really, really bad shows 😅
@therotten6152 sure, but how many actually payed for it?
Awesome to see Robot Head here finally, dude is so funny.
Drinker and Robot Head together… it doesn’t get any more awesome than this.
If Disney and Lucasfilm insist on having these perfect girlbosses, the least they could do is get actresses that can sell it. As it is, we're forced to pretend that Ahsoka is not just keeping up with Anakin but besting him when she obviously isn't. Also, I wondered if there was a mandated amount of girl/girl fights they had to work in, just as KK ordered a specific number of fights between Kenobi and Anakin (2, iirc) in the Kenobi show. That could explain why they didn't make much sense, especially Ahsoka and Morgan being left alone to fight.
Re Mauler mentioning coping comments of "Wait for the next season!": yes I've seen those. I've also seen people blaming Ray Stevenson's death on why Baylan was underused, which is pretty low as well as being untrue.
At least KOTOR has been safely forgotten. May it stay safely hidden until a new hope can rise from the ashes of Hollywood.
Literally one of the funniest streams I have watched in a while. This is an epic ensemble.
Been waiting for Robot Head to show up! Fantastic show as always gents, thank you for the entertainment.
Ezra boards a star destroyer, alone, and is immediately attacked.... but by journey's end he is wearing their uniform and flying their scout craft?
The story of what happened in between, would make a much better story than this actual script.
"The story of what happened in between, *written by someone competent who did not work for Disney,* would make a much better story than this actual script."
A slight fix.
He took the uniform from the dead body that was with him. How he took the craft - no idea.
R.I.P Starwars
Watching Rosario Dawson fight scenes is like watching a de-aged Deniro in Irishman beat someone up. Like yeah you deaged him but he still moves around like an 80 year old man. The choreography is awful. Everything looks thought out and telegraphed. It looks less like fighting and more like watching a bad dance routine.
Filoni does cartoons and it reeeeeally shows here. That means 30 min episodes that end where they started essentially. I think deeper writing eludes him.
And the fans defend that by saying it's like old samurai style 🤦♀️.
Can't wait for the next episode. I'm into numerology and I hear 69 has significance...
"that's the funny number"
We all know Ahsoka and Sabine are going to become carpet enthusiasts during their self-imposed exile.
I mean, given how bad the show's plot is, them being stuck there sounds more far fetched than everything else they've endured.
Gives a new meaning to force choke.
25 years later, Rey comes to pick them up, and they're both fat, and break up and get back together on a monthly schedule. Sabine lives with like 30 of the dog things, and ahsoka lives with the shell crab people, and makes their lives totally miserable.
Ah yes, a big growler
Filoni for a while has been allowed to skate by on ‘just wait for seasons two or three.’ For a while now just because clone wars vaguely worked that way before it’s over arching plot happened. It’s weird watching the cope about every series Filoni is over just needs like 4 years to actually get going or that he and his team need to ‘start over’ for some reason.
Nice to see Mauler and Robot Head on the same stream again
It was so great to have Robot Head on Open Bar!!!
Can I just say it was absolutely charming to hear robothead call morgan "the other bird" at around 45:00. Haven't heard that term in a long time.
What an awesome open bar. Reaper and robot heard are both amazing CZcamsrs. This was just plain fun. I can’t believe they were both on the same on.
I just checked and Disney back tracked on the hair extension in Splash. They removed their version and uploaded the original due to backlash. Thankfully, even if it's slowly like by an absolute idiot, they seem to be learning.
The entire premise of force ghosts destroys the canon of the universe.
Why didn't Anakin Skywalker appear in front of the Council and tell the exact location of the enemy forces, who they are and what to expect? Dead Jedi being able to appear anywhere, see everything going on would be unstoppable. There is literally no logical reason why the bad guys would even stand a chance.
You’re definitely an author. Love your books
Feels very on point @Disparu - a show made to explain what Ahsoka was doing during the OT etc. "oh well, she was in another galaxy far far away fighting a star war"
Finally Robot Head joined your group. 🤩
2:33:33 They showed people being cut in half with a lightsaber in Book of Boba Fett. There is no excuse for them not cutting the zombies up.
You will laugh, Mauler...the witches actually can teleport. Merrin and Talzin from Fallen Order and Clone Wars do it.
Do you remember which ep or scene that was in? I always thought it was an application of the weird stealth potion thing. The attempted Assaj Ventress and Witches assassination attempt on Dooku was what I thought they were using, since that showed us how it was like from the witches' perspective.
That being said, the power is still dumb and inconsistent. Because there's some degree of precog with the Jedi and Sith, so having an invisible foe seems rather counter-intuitive as they clearly sense with more than just the eyes.
@@AlphaAurora They can go invisible, but Talzin can also teleport by turning into mist (like when she escaped from Grievous, appeared to fix Darth Maul or escaped from Mace Windu). Plus Merrin teleports in Fallen Order and Survivor.
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p i remember a part in Jedi Survivor where you "jump" into the green portal to follow Merrin, and it has you flying through a green tunnel to get to the next part. I presume that's what the teleportation is like from POV. Guess the teleportation is similar to them conjuring up swords from nowhere.
Director X: 'We wanted her from the projects so Black and Latina makes sense.'
Humanity: 'Blow it out your arse.'
Wokesters: ... *chirping cricket*
Mother Nature: 'Climate change is too good for these creatures.'
'Star Wars for dummies' already existed for SW writers before Disney. It was a MASSIVE 'book' containing every single relevant event thats happened, so the writers can make sure there are no continuity issues.
Robot Head is the best. Please have him on more often.
No joke Wolf Children features the best female character I have ever seen. Highly recommend.
Great episode! The Disparu videos for Robyn Hood, Willow, SheHulk, Wilma, and Rings of Power are hilarious!
That was a really great panel that meshed well - nice!
1:43:33 Can confirm I live in Australia and there are so many tv shows that don't get DVD releases here anymore and its been like this for years now.
They even do it to shows that had earlier seasons released on dvd but than later seasons never got released.
I Have so many half finished collections now because of that and its so frustrating.
And they do remove and censor stuff, you watch both the dvd version and the streaming version and its so different with how much they cut out and censor.
Having Disparu and Robot Head on to talk about bad Star Wars is the best. One would be great, but both on the same show? Makes for one of the best Open Bars ever.
11:00 - Remember when the pilots just put their hands up to protect their face before crashing into the ship.. unlike, you know, quickly moving out of the way using the controls
1:10:02 Disparu's laugh had me on the floor!