Open Bar #65 - One Piece Scores Big, Ahsoka Member Berries, Aquaman 2 Abandoned
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- čas přidán 16. 09. 2023
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One Piece talk is from 5:20 to 58:59.
Ashoka talk starts at 59:00.
Aquaman 2 is at 1:45:30
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The villains not dying thing is a symptom of two aspects of One Piece. One is that Oda really doesn't like to kill off characters. In almost 1100 chapters he's only killed roughly 5 named characters. The other has to do with who Luffy is as a person. He's all about dreams and one of the driving traits of his character is how much he's willing to fight not just for his own dream but for the ability of others to be able to pursue theirs, most notably his friends. Luffy doesn't kill his villains because they still have dreams that might be good at heart so as long as they're not hurting people anymore they can go pursue it.
Oda said once that when Luffy beats them, he (I forget the exact quote) basically ends their ambition and dream, which is why he doesn't need to kill them. It's true, for the most part. Almost everyone they beat has to change their ambition and life course. Some of them turn good, others just end up in a better situation, plenty are captured by the marines.
Mostly, from Oda's point of view, there's just so much more you can do with a villain than kill them. Think of how lame Impel Down would be if Luffy had been offing arc bosses.
The issue is that Oda will write a moment where a character heroically sacrifices their life for a cause only for that character to show up a few chapters/episodes later like "Never fear, I survived" and it completely takes away the weight of the previous moment.
@@KonoGufo He only did this once, the character was revealed alive in cover stories, and he regrets it.
From the gags and friendships and drawing style, any long-time manga fan would know it's not the type of manga that the protagonists would go kill a bunch of bad guys. City Hunter, the protagonist doesn't really kill people either if I remember correctly. But manga like Fist of the North Star which has a very serious tone, yes a lot of well-deserved killings.
Japan just has a variety of manga for everyone.
Guys y'all need to let Smokey talk more I feel like he was spitting facts
Smokey is the big draw, for sure. It's nice that the doggos allow the boys to talk about their shows.
Smokey knows that sometimes the best thing to say is nothing at all.
Love him or hate him, he do got that DAWG in him. 😤😤💪🏻💪🏻✊🏻💯
When the guys talk about Hollywood, Smokey's balls say so much.
I don't know did he have to use that racial slur?
Netflix's adaptation of One Piece succeeded due to Eiichiro Oda's vision and demands, that's why it's a sincere light-hearted adventure with good themes and characters, If Netflix's writers start to inject their own political agenda into the show, this ship will sink for sure.
The showrunners respect Oda and his story. I wasn't sure about one of them, Steven Maeda, but the other one, Matt Owens, is a megafan. Like a lot of other people, he feels like he owes his life to One Piece (like the guys on this podcast said it's antinihilism. A lot of people credit One Piece with taking them out of a suicidal place). He's been on streams with One Piece youtubers talking about the story and the world and what his plans are... we are in safe hands. The other guy, Steven Maeda, has proven himself in interviews about how they made the show. It seems like his job was to mediate between what Matt and Oda want, and what the writers and executives want. Which, somehow it seems like those things aren't worlds apart, but he seems to have done a great job at making the show even possible.
But beyond that, I've seen a lot of interviews with people on every rung of the ladder and overwhelmingly they talk about how they either already were or became invested in the source material. There's definitely a bit of astroturfing with the constant references to this being Oda's baby when really he just had veto power and occasional input, but there's also overwhelming sincerity, which comes through in the show.
Den Den Mushi (the phone snails) are awesome. Did you notice that the big ones kinda look like their owners?
They also usually try to mimic the face of the person on the other end when connected.
Also despite the amount of seasons signed up, I doubt they'll get this far in a hurry. Mauler notes that Luffy has the 'power to BE nice' and one of the people you've met already remarks on that that in particular is the most dangerous ability Luffy posesses... The ability to make friends like he does and inspire those who become his friends.
A small note on the butler dude, Captain Kuro. I really like that they did bring his mannerisms in on the show; in particular the way he pushes his glasses up with the back of his hand. Consider his weapon of choice is giant knives on his fingers. He can't push up his glasses normally and it's become such a habit he keeps doing it even when he's not wearing those gloves :D
Even if that is never explained the way it was in the manga/anime, and they could just as well have the guy not do that, they still committed to it.
And Zeff was not quite adapted completely... His hat needs to be MUCH taller...
It's almost like classic storytelling structures have worked for thousands of years for a reason.
It's always fun to see Oda's take on classic story telling tropes
“BuT sUcCeSsFuL sToRyTelLiNg iS oUtDaTeD!” Thousands of manga beg to differ.
@@adammeyer6650i love unusual storytelling. Tarantino and Nolan specialize in it. But it's harder to pull off. The problem is that vast majority is not going to be good at it.
@@morganseppy5180 Yup. You need to know the rules in order to break them successfully. Even Nolan is hit and miss.
@@develope3208 or any storytelling for that matter. it´s almost all just member berries these days. ... i even rather rewatch the Warcraft movie than waste money on the shit that´s catered to "modern audiences".
One aspect I appreciated a lot about One Piece is that their outfits change so often, yet still fit the character’s aesthetic. Can’t wait for season 2, great show.
That’s because every outfit they wear is from the manga/anime! Each alternate outfit they wear is from either a drawn cover by the creator or a future arc. It’s really cool how they paid so much attention to things like that!
In the manga it's usually stuff they buy offscreen at major town with their loot, but they started early in the LA with stuff they borrowed from Kaya.
Just wait till you see Luffy later on. When presented with a Pirate who served on Rodgers crew Luffys men ask if the one piece is real and Luffy freaks out and demands that nobody tell him. He wants to learn it for himself.
It's all about the adventure and what you do on said adventure. Not what lies at the end of it.
As Manga as it is to let your opponent live to train up and fight you again, Mihawk did it in the sickest way: he slashed Zoro within an inch of his life so that only if his friends took care of him and he fought for his life during recovery would he be able to challenge him again.
It gets even more manga during the time skip, which Mihawk spends _training Zoro_ , just to make sure the boy learns something useful for once.
@@EvilDoreshOh man this is gonna be great if true!!! Mihawk is an awesome character.
@@gagelindell271 Mihawk was done so well in this adaptation, he feels like they lifted him straight from the Manga
@@develope3208 I dont know any of the manga so i wouldnt know. But like what I saw in the live action so I am happy!
I'm not familiar with the manga/anime. I call him Evil Tom Cruise--compare to the last samurai. Edit: no offense to Steven Ward.
I'd only seen a few episodes of the anime on TV, but the Netflix adaptation pushed me to finally get around and watch the damn thing. I'm currently at the Thriller Bark saga.
Oh no... Tell me: where did you cried? Very important!
Good stuff coming.
How's the journey sir ?
nothing happened
The Buggy actor, Jeff Ward, was good as the goofy comic relief character from the future in Agents of SHIELD. As Buggy, he's next level.
He's an absolute favorite now. I've seen a lot of reactions of the LA OP and everyone is unanimously praising the character, Jeff Ward or both. Jeff Ward made Buggy even more likeable than he already is. The whole cast is fire! Can't wait for S2!
47:34 I think Emily Rudd was an excellent choice even in terms of appearance. She looks like early Nami. Only thing wrong I'd say is Nami's eyes are orange, not green. But that's impossible to find someone with naturally orange eyes, and I'd rather her not look uncomfortable the entire show cause she has in contacts.
I think personality/acting wise she's got it nailed, even if it is different than the anime, the appearance has been growing on me as she settles into it. It just works with what they are doing in the show. Whoever did the casting did a fantastic job.
@@UnbeltedSundew Different from the anime, but she's still Nami through and through. The problem is if she's completely different, like what they pulled with Cowboy Bebop. That sure as fuck wasn't Faye, Spike, Vicious or Julia.
@@nathanstreety294 Yup.
Luffy's been my captain for the past ten years, good to see Open Bar jump on the crew!
I'm always happy to add some new Nakama.
"There's always room for you if you wanna be my friend"
@@dusky5535to
Ah, the evil toxic fandom gatekeeping again, just as the radical feminists warned us.
@@whitworth5s248 I don't mean to gatekeep but please keep those ones out of the greatest story ever told
Its so surreal to me that the people i have been listening for years now suddenly talk about the series I have been a fan of for over 20 years. One Piece really is that good!
I just finished One Piece live action yesterday and... oh boy I was surprised by how good it was. So many of the characters are extremely likeable and endearing and the character writing is top notch. I've never read the manga or watched the anime, but I was never put off by its flamboyance and exaggerated style. There are so many moments I can point to in the show that I would love to talk about, but I won't for the sake of spoilers. Watch it yourself!
I recommend giving the manga a try. It's not perfect but the art is a joy to look at and the worldbuilding is unironically up there with Lord of the Rings as the series goes on
I can not be the only one who signed up to watch it. And now that I have an acct, I'll watch other stuff.
if you aren't against one piece's style then you should definitely check out the manga or anime because its even better than the live action
Hearing people that never read manga or seen the anime talking how interesting the live action is, the creator did a good job making sure it didn't turn out bad.
This is like listening to your friends mind being blown after you introduced them to anime for the first time.
Hollywood's nihilism reminds me of Luffy vs Bellamy. Man how I loved that scene in the manga!
“Where are you going now?”
*points at the sky* “up there.”
@@mrdropkicker1 CHILLS
And I tell you they cut a LOT of wacky stranger things and characters from One Piece. In Usopp's arc, we got introduced to the actual second-in-command of Kuro and his name is Jango. His introduction? He's moonwalking along the town road randomly and the kids playing with Usopp, the Usopp Pirates, another one removed from the show, saw him and were also estranged 😂
Here's some character work for you guys.
Helmeppo and Axe Hand are very similar characters, approaching things in different ways.
It's understated in the LA, but the Morgans have butt chins. Meppo being a Neppo baby doesn't really hide it, but Axe Hand, despite no longer needing his Jaw brace, keeps it to hide his.
He also keeps his hair short, because it grows out like Meppo's, and he thinks it looks dumb. You get a little hint of this with his hair getting dishevelled during the LA fight. His hand was fine too BTW. He swapped it out for an axe to look intimidating, literally every part of his character design speaks to his insecurities, which are well founded when a straw hat rookie turns up and demolishes him
Drinker should watch the anime and realize nothing much stems from the live action show, even the story telling comes from the anime. What they did right, is simply doing justice to the manga, but all the foundation comes from the manga, even to following the plot. I watched One piece for a while. I always loved this show for how it created the same chemistry i was able to find in Star Wars New Hope or Firefly. Group of friends, all special, we get attached to all of them and love the chemistry and they take us on an adventure. I hated all live action anime production, but this one is a homerun. Now crossing fingers so they don't sell it, hire other writers, perform a ''witcher season 3'' on it. And I think this is another Cobra Kai, even better.
Honestly just read the manga, the anime is fine, great at points but the Manga is top tier in the industry imo
@@develope3208 Yeah not much of a manga reader. The only one i've read is Uzumaki
@@zord829 Do yourself a favor and try Berserk or Vagabond, they are the Iliad of manga.
@@rileyolson23 So I heard
@@zord829Real credit to the manga
The world needs great writers again. 🎉
Trust me there is. But oh man are the loudest the worst
you mean like Drinker or Shad?
@@Tyarrk Absolutely. 💯 🎉
50:30 oh boy, they're definitely doing this. Maybe not arlong specifically, but buggy and bunch of other bad guys came back with newer exploration of their character. Buggy became such a fan favorite and this guy is the clown in the first couple of chapter. Literally a walking joke, but then oda explore his other side that makes you interested more in him without ditching his core personality. This guy is still a jerk 1000 chapters later and he's still a clown but you get to symphatize with him as time goes. And this is just one of many of those, and none of them get the redemption, you still gonna hate them because they're assholes, but you get what they're coming from.
It's hard for me to hate anything about Buggy after the most recent flashback. Even what he did to Orange Town, I'm thinking well, he was in a bad place.
Buggy for King.
Buggy ruled at marine ford
Oda doesnt like to kill off villians. Once luffy becomes king. He has to have pirates to rule.
Oh yeah after that one particular chapter. His character sold me. I already love him but seeing the way his character is handled and what pushes him through is amazing. There's a reason people cheer for the guy. The only thing that surprised me is Buggy claiming he wants to go find one piece/be pirate king in the LA. That was smth that was recontextualized later.
I think buggy wore a mask. He's much more interesting than his first introduction
I'm so glad the Drinker uploads the whole stream. Each time he releases small clips of it, i just NEED to see the whole thing.
I know i'm weird, lol.
One Piece is first show for years I only watched. Normally i play some games while watching, but this was so occupying and engaging I just sat there and watched with pleasure 😁 Also it didn't do source material any harm. Great show
"It didn't do source material any harm"
maybe re-watch the first 10 episodes of the anime to see how much was changed. 😮💨
@@IchigoKurosaki_weeb tears 😅
@@IchigoKurosaki_things being changed does not mean the source material was harmed
@@IchigoKurosaki_ Changing things is not the same as harming them. Maybe re-read the first 10 manga to see how much was changed in the anime.... :facepalm:
@@IchigoKurosaki_ Ok but what harm did it do? From all accounts it's brought tens of thousands of non One Piece fans to the franchise and many will check out the anime while waiting for more. Also as someone who tried many times to watch the anime I can say for me this was a far far better introduction. The manga is better but the anime is rough due to all it's time filling. Not everyone is gonna know there are fan made cuts that do the series a favour by cutting all the repeating dead air.
Watching people who I’ve enjoyed the takes and content of for years go mad over the live action version of an anime I’ve loved for decades is definitely not something I saw coming but I’m loving it.
Just wait until Marineford guys.
For the sapkowski thing, none of that happened. He signed away his rights for a lump sum instead of royalties, and then sued cd projekt red because he didn’t realize the video game would have been so successful so he thought he was scamming them but turns out he was wrong and then threw a fit about it
Man, that Critical Doggo rant was insane!
Timestamp?
@@dadocta5168 Here: 1:58:57
I'd just wish he'd cut back on some of the turbo-racism.
Got ads. Will is a genius
The only thing I have to disagree with you guys about one piece is the manga does not waste time. It’s the anime that does that with the fact that they extend certain things and having recaps during each episode and what not. The manga doesn’t do that.
Wait really? I have refused to start the manga because of that problem in the anime. I have not watched the whole anime, just some of it incidentally during my sisters current watchthrough(about 50 - 100 episodes worth ranging from Chopper's intro to the defeat of Doflamingo). My biggest issue and why I will never watch is just the huge amounts of time wasted. From what I have seen, I am willing to bet you could cut 250+ episodes worth of time from the show without cutting anything of value (not including recaps of the last episode)
If the manga isn't going to waste my time so much, then I would consider reading it as I am interested in the story.
I watched the live action show, and felt that the pacing was much better than the anime bits I have watched. Did not feel like they were just wasting my time.
@@bus3957 You sound like you might be new to anime adaptations.
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Shonen usually go the filler route. Anime like One Piece and Naruto are rife with pointless fluff and filler arcs so they don't catch up to the manga.
Hero Academia does it right as it just airs in seasons. There's very little filler there.
@@bus3957 the manga is the source of the anime, and the anime story progression has been really close to the manga for few years. I guess they don't want to add filler like they did in the early days of one piece anime, so they have to really stretch the the existing story, hence the bad pacing of the anime
@@bus3957 This is a typical problem with anime whose source material is still ongoing. They _have_ to buy time one way or another so they don't catch up with the manga.
It's gotten a bit better in recent times as newer anime have actually discovered a seasonal format, but ongoing anime that started long before this shift (mostly One Piece and especially Naruto) are still doing the filler stuff.
@@bus3957each anime episode is usually 2-3 manga chapters. But both the manga and anime is weakly releases so after a while the anime will catch up if the manga is still ongoing. OP anime have been close behind the manga for ~2 decades now so have to extend the run time in any way possible. It is the most popular show ever so the studio do not want to take any breaks to let the manga pile up chapters. Some newer shows do a season a year so they get the ~2-3 chapters an episode they need for a good pacing if the manga is still ongoing.
There are fan edits of the show that cut away a lot of the repeated and drawn out content to make it more bearable. I have read the manga for 19 years now but took a pause on the anime a couple of years back and are waiting for the series to end and fan edits to be done to the complete show before I go back and watch it from episode 1 to the end. The anime have some amazing moments that it has built up to, enies lobby arc and marineford, that manages to hit you in the gut in way you didn't see coming at all but at the same time was there all the time. If the guys on open bar watch the anime until the enies lobby arc I am 100% sure they will praise the story telling at the end there to the skies. Not many if could see it coming, at least not the impact when it hit or even really explain why they felt so at the moment but many a tear was shed by OP fans there.
Gotta say... Really love the opening theme song. It takes me back to a time when theme songs were...you know.... Good....
Puts me in the right mood for the fun to come.
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Any anime is far better than any Hollywood series/movie from last 3-4 years
Oh, I really loved One Piece adaptation. I watched behind the scenes, and it's amazing to see how actors do promotion with such love, with respect! It's incredible
Yep, a number of villains live and return later in the series. But besides the upcoming encounter with two certain individuals (to avoid spoilers) that was shown at the end of the live action, most of them always return under difference circumstances rather than just simply being an antagonist for Luffy to confront a second time.
One Piece is the Odyssey of our time. Luffy is one of my top 3 male role models in anime, along with Ryo Saeba (City Hunter) and Cobra (from Space Adventure Cobra). Sheer badassery when needed and not taking themselves too seriously the rest of the time.
While reading One Piece you can feel that Oda loves this world he has created and the characters. So it makes a lot of sense that he would keep some control over it. This is also a reason behind it's length while he is great with foreshadowing some things he also throws in a lot of ideas that he didn't plan for. For example the whole "worst generation" was an idea he had and threw in and they are some of the most important characters for later arcs. If he has an idea he thinks is good he puts it in even if it adds another couple of years.
The Warlords were not originally planned. The original idea was pretty much just get to the Grand Line, fight the Yonko, get the One Piece. Almost definitely the WG was in there too.
One Piece has been "ending in 5 years" for the last 26 years, but life isn't about getting to the end.
@@MyHabbits With the way the story's going I'll believe him the next time he says it.
@@davidwilson6577 it definitely feels like we are getting close and that it's building up to some big events. So far it has often just been about travelling closer but the recent arcs made the straw hats feel more proactive in actually challenging threats and not like they just stumble into them.
@@MyHabbits we are in the final saga.... What are you talking about? We are definitely in the final in the last 10 chapters we actually also finaly got some answers to some questions. However the final saga Already goes for 1 year. So 2027... Sounds like a good ending year.
Listening to you guys talking about fans falling for the memberberries, all I could think of was Jeremy (G&G) on FNT throwing another toddler tantrum, saying how much he lurves Hayden Christensen and how he wants an “Anakin redemption arc”. Has he forgotten that Anakin is Darth Vader? The only redemption arc is the end of Return of the Jedi and it ends with him dying.
I don't see how that's a tantrum.
Plenty of people on FNT rant about this or that. He’s the only one who regularly rants at the other panellists, just because they disagree with him.
are you just now realizing what a tool Jeremy is ?
I have been a fan of the One Piece mangafor years, and I can say with certainty that it will only get better from here. I have high hopes for the live action and it is awesome to see it getting the love it deserves.
Seeing everyone love Luffy so much because of how happy he is and how happy they make them makes me hope they get to adapt all of his Gears. If you know you know
Ahsoka might be the most popular Disney+ show right now but I think the actual best Disney+ show at the moment is a South Korean show called “Moving”. It has
- A strong female protagonist. Actually, TWO strong female protagonists, who are badass in their own different ways.
- A proper Nick Fury type of character, whose age didn’t turn him into a pathetic suicidal old man but instead made him wiser, more cunning, evil, manipulative and dangerous.
- Brutal and exciting action scenes.
- Multiple romantic subplots that don’t feel forced.
- Complex political plotline.
- A redemption arc.
They managed to do everything right so far, the thing that Marvel sh*t the bed.
I hate that there are these great shows, (as you stated) . But I haven't seen not one ad for it. No one talking about it on big platforms. No ads on TV. And it just seems disney is not even trying to get it to western audiences. I'm more of a horror guy myself. And one of my favourites is a south korean film called I saw the devil. Its not technically a horror. But it is. And its breathtakingly visceral and amazing. But yh Disney get things ass backwards. Almost 99% of the time. The last good thing I can think of, that was on Disney that was pushed, is prey. I can't think of anything else they've done that is good. But I will now watch moving. So thanks for the comment. ✌️💯
You guys make me feel that I'm not alone.
Now if I can find more people who don't think Loki is a masterpiece....
Just finished it. I now have faith in tv/movies.
It seems the comic book era is over and the live action, anime/manga era has started 😊
As long as the original creators have a hand in it else, you'll get another the Witcher series.
Not enough people are talking about Garp; as masculine elder in 2023?
Where are the Jake Skywalkers & Nick Furies of this series, lol.
If anything, he was less silly and more dignified than his anime counterpart
@@mrdropkicker1 I think the live action needs to show his lighter side more. Considering he was testing both Luffy and Koby all season, I think we'll see that next time he appears.
@@mrdropkicker1except his silliness is a highlight not a flaw, he's Luffy's grandad for sure and that gets better knowing how strong he actually is
@@drago_excalibur I never said it was a flaw. Personally, I didn’t like this Javert-esque Garp, but I appreciate having a no nonsense old man in an adaptation
@@mrdropkicker1 that's fair but I associate that with Zeff which I wished they leaned more into his fighting proficiency or even referred that he was the one who taught Sanji how to fight so good
Nice to have a stream that had positive chat.
What do you mean?
Oh yeah, it helps when the Drinker helps a fan “off the ledge” last week plus getting to review an actual good show with “One Piece”
I love their content
I could barely watch FNT this week, it was two and a half hours of them talking about how bad a show I'm not watching is. Who cares and I don't want to listen to angry people.
@@ArrakisHeir88 Well you can obviously watch literally anything else on the internet. FNT was ALWAYS going to talk about the show. Just because you didn't watch it doesn't mean it can't be talked about and for those of us who were interested it was entertaining to see what they had to say Angry or not.
Hail! Gotta thank you guys for the One Piece recommendation, had zero interest when I first heard about it because I'm not an anime guy & the words "Netflix adaptation" aren't exactly synonymous with good tv but after watching live thursday then hearing the FNT crew so enthusiastic about it I decided to check out the first episode, ended up binging it all in one hit & I loved it, a bit goofy in places but really great characters & heart, it was the most fun I've had watching a new show for a very long time. Cheers 🍺
"Put your taste in a bag...and seal it" - paul chato 2023
That made me laugh more than it shouldve
The pause was exactly long enough
it wasn’t that funny but it was also completely wrong
This crew enjoying One Piece is not something I expected but I'm here for it.
here 🤮 for 🤮 it 🤮
Another thing i realized after finishing One Piece Live action.. is ~ There's little to 1-0% PIRATE franchises after Pirates of the Caribbean like.. I felt "Man what Genre of Fantasy which is missing the tv dept" ~ If they're done this good any pirate adventure show would get ppl's attention like Bg3 & Elden Ring in gaming community.
watching this late is a trip, some of the predictions are spot on, particularly like the one about the next episode ending with Thrawn walking through a door xD
I’ll try to maintain cautious optimism moving forward on live action OP, though I still have this nagging, curious trepidation in the back of my mind about how things may go when/if the show ever attempts to adapt things like Ivanakov, Big Mom, Yamato, Fisher Tiger, Doflamingo, etc., just to name a few topics.
I would hope the best of and from Oda.
We'll have big characters well before the time skip my man. Gecko Moriah
So Ivanakov and the revolutionary army definitely will be where the adaptation swims or sinks.
Idk if Netflix is capable of introducing Gay/trans(cause of Ivankov’s fruit) characters and not having them derail the story into a lecture.
@@torchlight1785 Not just that, Luffy's dad is based on Che Guevara in appearance, and people like Hasan think that makes him the protagonist, more than Luffy.
@@ArrakisHeir88 Ahhh Hasan has the worst Political/One Piece takes.
I think Oda just likes incorporating historical references into his story, the same way he does with people's appearances.
@@torchlight1785 I think Luffy is going to meet his Dad and see a person that has been consumed by a desire to topple the power structure, rather than Luffy's desire to feed people.
Dragon has said he intends to use force to manipulate the world into a "better" place. Those are not the words of a protagonist lol
I just finished Andor and wow yeah it is really good...especially Andy Serkis character...I wonder if he escaped..
I dare to hope he found a way out of that damned hell. I like to think it was just a clever way to separate him from Cassian's story arc, so he's out there... somewhere.
@Aikurisu I hope so too, I guess he either jumped and drowned, jumped and swam (hopefully made it) or stayed and either was killed or put back to work...although I do kind of like that we don't know. Room for thought lol
@@zappiestmango6043 I like to think the guy was smart enough to look around for something he could use for buoyancy or at least find others who had the same idea and worked together before they too jumped into the waters toward freedom.
And given who the guy is it wouldn't be surprising at all. He's a team leader.
Been a casual watcher of one piece for a few years now (about five hundred episodes in) and when i heard about the live action i was physically ill. especially after the abomination that was cowboy bebop. But after the Drinkers review and hearing Longman gush about it with Gary and Az i gave it a go, really enjoyed it and cannot wait for season two.
A couple of things about Ahsoka that bother me:
1) It's kind of jarring how they just tell us that she might have these feelings like she wishes she were dead in episode 5 after we watched her for four episodes straight with a smug smirk of self-satisfaction stuck on her face at all times. It would have been funny if right after the scene where she solved the tomb raider mystery of moving the little discs until the orbs light up and then smirked like she just thought she was the smartest person in the galaxy right at that moment, if just then Anakin's ghost showed up and went, "Do you want to live or die?" and she suddenly was like "I don't know..." It wouldn't have been any less jarring at that moment than it was planted in the fifth episode for no reason.
2) Episode 5 contrasted Anakin and Ahsoka during the clone wars by showing us that Anakin hints becoming evil as he's like "Come on, let's go War some more in the Stars, because it's fun!" and Ahsoka was totally good because she was like, "I care about people and don't want them to die." And I'm just wondering if Dave Filloni forgot the plot of Revenge of the Sith.
I thought the whole concept of turning his back on his master because he thought he knew better and didn't want people to die was basically Anakin's entire path to the dark side. But now Disney's revisionist girl-boss history of Star Wars shows us that Anakin turned evil because he just didn't care enough, and if he only turned on the Jedi because he thought he knew better than them and could stop the people he cared about from dying, that would have _saved_ him from turning to the dark side! Thank goodness we had a Disney patented plank of wood help explain the difference to us toxic fans.
Revenge Of The Sith is better than this garbage show in every way.
Reading this just makes me appreciate how AWESOME Revenge Of The Sith is. It’s a masterpiece.
The scenes with Hayden Christensen, the actress playing young Ashoka and Ray Stevenson are the best.
@@chasehedges6775 look for a video called "Obi Wan tells Luke about Assoka"
All the roles in One Piece are perfectly cast IMO and I'd say it's better that the anime (has some serious pacing issues). Only thing is that I don't think they can keep up with the story for too long as it gets preatty crazy later on. Unless they get the budget comparable to "The rings of power".
Didn't agree with casting choices before watching it. I am fine with all of them after seeing it, although I wouldn't argue with people if they said that better actors could have been chosen.
I agree with all the rest though. I am glad other people agree with me about the anime pacing being a big problem. I basically only see love for One Piece, so good to know I am not the only one.
Really like open bar, y’all kick ass
If people have to theorize and debate why events happened or what a character's driving motivation is, then that is bad writing. Good writers will make those fundamental things clear.
Nami is a brilliantly played character. The actress does a great job. They all do, actually. Isn't it refreshing to watch something genuinely good?
"one piece is build on a foundation of joy", hmmm......
If only they knew.
Curious.
BOY, there sure is a lot of JOY.
@@yhnbgtrfv100 I see what you did there.
Joy?! Boy if they only knew
I think Demon Slayer is pretty overrated, it looks fantastic but i don't think it should be compared to something like FMA in terms of storytelling.
It's pretty solid, but yeah. If you pretty something up a lot, people think it's better than it is.
It's also a really emotional series, so that helps.
So happy to hear you talk about Buffy! Do it some more!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I only know One Piece because of Nico Robin. But this show is truly awesome. I am looking forward to Season 2. I hope I won't be distracted by the actress who will play Nico Robin.
I see you are a man of culture as well.
I knew about Robin before she even debuted in the manga cause I was sneaking looks at OP porn on my parents' desktop.
The world of one piece is like nothing else. It is completely insane but somehow works. I need to see your review of episode 8. It made me shed a tear.
Awesome line up will hear it tomorrow
I'm so excited for Mauler to finally see Red Dwarf. Today's fish is trout a la creme 👌
Series 1-6 is gold
@@mykr0324yep almost perfect in fact
Have been meaning to say for ages.... Your opening theme tune is so awesome! 💪
The guy who created it channel is GUITAR86 I think.
Great livestream, just caught up on replay!
The manga is very fast paced, the anime is horribly paced, but one pace, a fan edit is really good
The manga is fast paced? It lacks the filler and til manages to have more issues at the same points of the plots. Oda makes excellent use of the pace he sets, but fast is not the word I would even remotely associate.
I find something fast paced when its full of impactful scenes that push the plot forward in some way, reiterating things and showing flashbacks or episodes where characters have romantic subplots that lead nowhere, or are doing little side things that aren't connected to anything or used for character growth I consider a part of bad pacing, one pace removes a large part of that from the abysmally paced anime. At times there's almost too many ideas being thrown and the show ends up cluttered by how much shit is happening and how fast. when they introduce an average of 3 characters an episode that have actual plot value, and are interesting either in a symbolic design (check out MR. 3 his face is literally the au oum symbol which has to do with being 2/3rds enlightened I believe) or with usually pretty damn original backstories(just forget about Usopps plz lol) then I think the show/manga is doing enough to keep your attention at almost all times. There are definitely slow parts every so often, or parts that are dragged out a bit. But nothing compared to some other shows like GOT or TWD at times.
Tching one piece with my 8yr old and 10byr old son and they are so pumped about it. Great show
I am having a bit of trouble finding the subscription tiers. Where do I find these?
Beside writting, a massive win for the one piece show compared to disney plus crap is the sets !
They are so beautifull, it's not just "the volume" cgi crap.
Hey Drinker, dumb question, but what are you doing to put that custom background behind the "tiles" with each member of the video chat? Is this Google Meet or something else? I want to do something similar at work.
Not convinced, that the "company" learned anything here. Pretty sure the reason is Oda.
It's not their goal to deliver quality. You can clearly see that in the documentary section...
If you ever watch the anime, watch the japanese version.
It is 100x better than any other version.
I love it when Gary references Code Blue.
I thought the Aquaman trailer was pretty safe, but could be a good movie. Furst off, there was not a single shot of Amber Heard! But more importantly the plot looks like an evil conqueror is coming for Atlantis so the king (Aquaman) has to reunite with his estranged brother to stop him. It's a painfully simple plot but if they execute on it well it could be actually be quite good! If they don't execute though then it'll be a dud. When you have a simple, tried and true setup then it all comes down to execution.
Still makes me wonder why they didn't ste up this series with Ashoka being captured forcing Hera to assign Sabine to lead a new Star Wars Rebels team to locate and rescue Ahsoka leading to the second season where Ashoka aware Thrawn has returned must desperately find help to locate Ezra Bridger as he's the only person who can explain what Thrawn is up to and where he's been all these years as the New Republic is being corrupted from within!
That sounds much better than this idiocy when that live action clone wars flashback was far better than the entire 5 episodes alone that revealed this could have all been done in the first episode and Ahsoka goes to find Ezra right then and there!
Its very cool to see that one piece, is the live action anime that shows others how its done. Who would expect that? OP is very out there in terms of the places you get to see and the kinds of fights/powers you get, you would think its impossible to adapt it???? I havent watched it yet, but Im really looking forward to starting to watch it.
The attack on titan "drama" is overblown like most things when it comes to people flipping out on social media, its okay to disagree with choices made, I 100% dont mind that at all. AOT was originally supposed to be a shorter manga but there was so much positive attention on the manga, that yams kept it going because he was essentially inspired by the love he got from readers, the story was always written to have a bitter sweet ending. The fact that AOT blew up as a manga, and anime, is honestly such a blessing, because it left an impact on a lot of people(hell it impacted the manga/anime industry as well). I was reading AOT from the first volume, the bitter hurts, but thats because I got very invested in the story and the characters. Thats what makes a bittersweet ending, hit so much harder.
1:21:00 "Take Your Kid to War Day" is brilliant
Arcane, One piece, The boys and Andor stand in the tier of their own compared to other TV shows in last 5 years....
I ought to beat your ass for daring to put the boys up there in that tier.
Tulsa king was excellent. Same with ted lasso.
Not the boys 🤢
Arcane, One Piece, even Andor... sure.
The Boys, maybe the first season, but the rest? Not so much.
@@speedycerviche2380 I absolutely loved Ted Lasso. Such a feel good show that could sucker punch you with a dark moment.
Hera not only brings her son on a mission, but leaves him with a droid on an unfamiliar planet.
Call CPS for parental neglect! 😂😂😂 What shitty writing.
First of all, love One Piece. My absolute favourite character is Zoro, the swordsman. Just a great character. I'm surprised though that Emily Rudd's character is fairly likeable. Normally I hate that archetype of character, chief example being Gotham's Catwoman. Absolutely loathed that character. I do admit that for One Piece, you need to know that it's based on an Anime and thus give it a few concessions i.e. the characters literally say each move they're about to make, I also love how this is turned into a little bit of a running joke as well. The earnestness of the performances also makes the series quite charming. I damn near cried when I watched the episode with Sanji and his father figure. That twist was something I actually didn't see coming tbh.
Secondly, yeah I got really excited about hearing about Ahsoka episode 5 and I even went back and watched Episode 4 in preparation that Episode 5 would be mind-blowing. Which is was... but more in the suicidal version of blowing your mind out. The whole episode was terrible. I loved the 'member berries. I even forgave the whole "TP to the time between worlds or whatever" but that bit was maybe one third of the bloody episode and the rest was just talking heads. I got bored and skipped it. Also the actress who plays Sabine is terrible. The actress who plays Hera is terrible, basically everyone except Ray Stevenson, his evil padawan and Hayden Christiansen was horrible. The pacing of the entire thing is miserable as well. (Oh I wrote a slightly more expanded version of the second comment on Reddit. Predictably, I've been downvoted to hell and people are pretty butt hurt about it.)There are a lot of theories what Ahsoka was taught by Anakin there, and how she was to overcome her past trauma but the real lesson that he taught her was this:
Disney can absolutely continue dressing up rotten vegetables as premium Wagyu A5 and their target audience will lap it up, pay a thousand dollars for it and justify it in any way possible even if it means sacrificing their (remaining vestiges of) sanity...
Lending to the actors Oda once gave in an SBS the nationalities of each Straw Hat and he said Luffy was from Brazil. And funny enough Luffy's actor is Mexican. To reflect how big the world of One Piece characters in LA have wildly different accents. So I can only imagine Oda wanted a Spanish/South American actor for Luffy. While Jacob Romero is more so Carribean he is black and Oda placed Usopp's nationality as South African. So who knows we might be getting a Robin with a Russian accent.
Either way you can see that muko spirit of Japan who are legit not afraid to indulge in qualities and cultures of the rest of the world for the sake of their stories. A good portion of the crew including Sanji and Robin incorporate French and Spanish into their attack names. This is something some garbo American director would have white washed in a heartbeat.
Interesting, I did not know that. Only exposure to One Piece before the live action was seeing some episodes while my sister was watching it (always in dub, so idek what the og voices sound like). The casting choices seemed a little odd to me. They make more sense now.
@@bus3957 The SBS has tons of fun/weird trivia, from birthdays to favorite foods to how characters might look like in the future (usually at 40/50 and then 60/70 years) - with both an "ideal" timeline and a timeline where something went wrong.
I never considered Robin to be similar to Russian. I never thought about it until live action was being cast.
Robin seem to be more middle eastern, Greek or Egyptian. O’Hara library was more a reference to Library of Alexandria which was burned.
@@hardensoul7248 It's a tan from spending so long in the desert. See how pale she is after time-skip?
@@Zepher0987I didn’t mention her skin color. It’s more of how similar O’Hara Library was to Library of Alexandria both weee to have held many historical items and books. Both were raided/destroyed and historic information was lost. But there definitely light skin people in that area!
Representation of Classic Doom is the best kind of representation.
6:02 The problem with the live action cowboy bebop show was that Netflix was making it like colorful animes like one piece. Cowboy bebop had it more light heart and fun moments but its was like putting the departed(Leonardo DiCaprio), serpico(cop movie), and top tier indie drama an making it a show. Anime is more of style then a genre so netflix failed to understand that.
1:29:07 it’s like one of those relationships where they only talk about the relationship.
Fantastic panel.
Spoilers for Onepiece Season 1:
Once of my favorite scenes in the Onepiece anime is during the fish arc with Nami. Initially she's very brash, she keeps all her problems close to the chest, and she wants to do everything herself. She's made the village she lives in her home, and the townspeople love her the same. The pirates take over, and she tries to strike a deal with them where she'll do everything herself and bribe them to leave and not ransack the town. She spends her whole childhood and teenage years stealing, doing wrong, and trying to make things right. Come current day, and she's almost got it all, and she's a total bitch to Luffy because he's another pirate come to make her town a mess for his own gain. She heads back to her treasure, and the Navy had been working with Arlong to get her treasure for themselves and for him. The town found out and planned to march in, against Nami's wishes of keeping them safe, and she had no means of stopping them or Arlong. When Luffy comes by, she refuses him at first, but breaks down and asks for his help. His response is to take his hat that he never lets anyone near, put it on her head, and march in the direction of Arlong to kick his ass. Onepiece gets worse as the story goes on and on because the author plays a lot of it by ear, but there are some surprisingly heavy-hitting scenes in the show that ALMOST make the 1000 or so episodes worth checking out.
ALMOST
Onepiece is the show that id love to recommend to ppl but i just cant, im very excited for the live action to show the world without all the crappy fluff thats in the anime
@@mryellow6918 They could read the manga.
@@Zepher0987 i don't know a single person that enjoys reading a fight tho
@@mryellow6918 The text comes with pretty pictured
Cowboy Bebop had regular cars at least in the Knocking on Heaven's Door movie. That setting is basically future that runs on bulky 80's analog tech. Certainly cheaper to do costume and set design for that compared to One Piece.
Can’t seem to watch this live ! What’s going on ??
I love Smokey! His takes are so chill and he's wholesome af!
57:41 I wonder if smokey caught what he was chasing. Given his breed, I'm going to assume "yes"
I really love the Smokey Cam.
Yes, Gary! Matthew Stover’s novelization of ROTS is fucking amazing. Stover is a genius.
All the memberberries on Ahsoka just makes me think of RLM making fun of Rogue One:
"TIE fighterrrrrrs!"
"AT-STs! AT-STs!"
"Darth Vader had a red lightsaber and i claaaapped!"
"I clapped cuz Star Wars!!"
"I KNOW WHAT THAT IIIIS!!!!!"
If you told me in January of 2021 that the adaptations of Cowboy Bebop and Wheel of Time would turn out terrible and the most difficult to adapt manga of all time would turn out pretty damn good. I would have bet against you and lost a lot of money.
It's not perfect, a fair bit of story and emotional impact is lost in abridging, think the theatrical cuts of Lord of the Rings vs the original books, but weigh that against finally having an entry point to the series that isn't so fucking daunting and still gives a taste of why we've been aggressively pushing for people to read this story for decades.
It is great to see so many people who would never give the manga, the anime, or even One Pace a chance finally diving in.
Drinker and crew i recently started open bar ep 1 im on 13 you guys really keep me occupied at work and laughing so thank you.
I saw in episode 8 you had said a brief statement about altered carbon season one. Was wondering if you had any additional thougthts on it.
1:14:42 In fairness, force echoes were a thing before, where when a Jedi touches an object, they can sense all the history and memories of that object. The only problem is that very few Jedi actually had that ability, and Ahsoka was not one of them.
the one adaptation to just remain true to source material!! makes sense it would happen to something as good as one piece people really care about luffy and the crew
is there a link to the Phantom Edit of the Hobbit that was mentioned ?
one peice is the 2nd best selling comice/manga in the world for the past two years i am glad its getting the recognition it earned
I can't unsee it... out the corner of my eye its like Smokey's lying there in an AT-AT costume
Agreed! Lol.
I had a few issues with One Piece the first watch through, because I was playing a game at the same time, and it was on this second watch through that most of these criticisms evaporated when I realized there were a few lines and moments I missed or didn't really think about the first time that made me like it a lot more. There was even a detail in episode 3 with Nami that I thought was out of character given what we learn in episode 7, but watching it back again, I noticed another detail in that same scene that assuming I haven't just misinterpreted it, actually bolsters her character instead of being an inconsistency. In episode 3, I also liked that she had more than a few lines of dialogue that are very interesting coming from her specifically taking into account episode 7. On a first watch through, a lot of what she says may just seem like normal words of encouragement that anyone can come out with
This is one show where you really need to pay attention cause every detail matters. It’s a layered story telling.
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Why would you even watch LA OP, or anything for that matter, while playing a game? 🙄
@@Langley_Ackerman19 Because usually I've got stuff to catch up on or progress to make and especially when I'm often making videos I don't always have a lot of time for off-camera games. Plus, I'm not usually playing something that requires a lot of focus