Discussing No Time To Die # 6 - The Epilogue
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Discussing No Time To Die concludes with Episode 6: The Epilogue. The ending of No Time To Die, the one that sent shock waves for Bond fans around the world, yeah that one - @DutchBondFan and I discuss our feelings about it. Also some random questions are posed.
0:00 - Introduction
01:28 - The Ending of No Time To Die
25:53 - Creative Differences?
26:47 - Which Villain Should Kill Bond?
28:07 - Which Bond Actor Could Do Bond's Death?
30:26 - Do You Like The Title More?
34:10 - Has Craig Left Bond In A Better Place?
37:51 - Did They Please Fans?
38:54 - Is There A Worse Ending?
40:08 - What Will Be The Legacy of No Time To Die?
42:07 - An Alternate Finale
44:21 - When Will We See Bond 26?
46:58 - OK, That's Enough
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Twelve hours later and I am still laughing my head off about the ending.
Honestly I was accepting of the ending, after 60 years of bond you’d think it would never happen. I applaud Michael and Barbara for having the balls to do that, wether or not the execution (forgive the pun) was well done or not, I felt it was adequate. But James Bond will return and I think Daniel Craig wanted to make his exit clear with this one in case they asked him for one more. My theory is the next bond films will be all story arc based with each subsequent actor who steps into the role. I’m totally cool with that, I’d like to see Tom Ellis or Sam Heugan as bond in a more film noir style of bond films.
Good series. It occurred to me Eon, in effect, turned Layer Cake (which ends with Whishaw killing Craig) into a five-picture effort.
That'll teach you to joke about my work, 007!
“I wish I was James Bond...
But not on that day!
When the missiles all came down
And they blew him away.”
Thank you guys for all of your NTTD discussion videos
The death of Bond feels like it was Daniel Craig's goodbye not Bond's.
The finale feels like it's "written backwards." They decided on Bond's death being the climax, and the finale feels strained because it's trying to get to a specific, predetermined, climax rather than playing out in a more organic way. If most of your move is a fun action/adventure movie (albeit with a somewhat moody tone), the story is going to organically steer towards a fun action/adventure climax, and it can be really tough go against that "steering" and end on a bittersweet/tragic note. (I think this series has struggled with this problem before. As much as I like the ending of OHMSS, it also feels like it comes out of nowhere when you first watch that movie and have not read the book.) I wasn't against Bond dying on paper, but I think the movie that leads up to the character's death would have to be a very different movie from what 85% of NTTD is in its current form.
I love mr. HaphazardStuff's facial expression at end when Jeroen's girlfriend walks in the frame. Well acted, gentlemen!!!
The Review ending reminded me of the Budweiser wasabi commercials. And just as funny.
No Time to Die was the title of a 1958 war film produced by Irving Allen and Albert R. Broccoli, with the participation of future Bond crew members Terence Young, Richard Maibaum and Ted Moore. (The movie was released as Tank Force in the U.S.) No Time to Die was also the title of a Columbo episode based on an Ed McBain novel. MI6-HQ reported they originally wanted to call this movie A Reason to Die.
Safin imo had one of the best entrances of any bond villian and he had a really intriguing back story with Swan and Spectre. The first half of this film is him going up against Spectre and Blofeld, I quite like that we've got a new villian who is taking on Spectre. You have this evil organisation that is across the globe doing terrible things to people and yet until now, it's only been Bond and MI6 going up against them. The problem with Safin is when Spectre and Blofeld are defeated about halfway through the film, the writers didn't know what to do with him cos he had already achieved his goal so they just made him a generic bond villian. Massive shame.
Also, I feel he was way underutilised
@@torkelsvenson6411 yeah, I had high hopes for him but the writers kinda messed up halfway through the film imo.
I certainly don't blame Rami Malek for any problems with this film. I think he did well with what he had but it was tough stuff to work with.
@@thursoberwick1948 Oh yeah, Rami was amazing in the role
@@torkelsvenson6411 I really like him as an actor, but it was hard for him to work with that material. It's similar to Peter Capaldi in the previous Doctor Who - good actor, poor scripts. I don't think this is a terrible script, I've seen worse but Safin was underwritten.
MGM exec Pamela Abdy offered an update on the future of the James Bond franchise. Abdy noted that the casting for the role is still wide open, but that discussions at the studio for the next Bond have indeed begun at the studio. See what Abdy said below:
"It’s wide open. We’ve had very early preliminary conversations with Barbara [Broccoli] and Michael [Wilson], but we wanted Daniel to have his last hurrah."
Who knows, this could be a reference to Bond, Mathilde Swann-Bond, James and Madelaine’s blue-eyed daughter. Daniel Craig not only broke the mould but the world in which it was cast.
The ending of this video was 10/10 !
Given that one of the tracks on the sound track is “Final Ascent,” I wonder if they originally planned an ending like in the noble YOLT, where he escapes via weather balloon and is presumed dead, instead of actually dying.
Finally having time to see it at home, months after release, absorbing how it ends…. it seemed definitive. A death of one of the greatest pop icons in cinema history, a post credit saying he’ll return. It’s dyslexic filmmaking where Michael & Barbara want to appeal to all creeds. This ending alone turned an above average Bond movie, into one of the ludicrous Brosnan-style of movies.
Great conversation Gents! And what an ending to the video! LOL
On the subject of the whole Dr. No re-edit theory, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't one of the guards peculiarly say to Safin "The first shipment is on the dock, doctor"? Or was I just hearing things?
Going into it, I knew that they were going to kill Bond. I was fine with the idea as it fits the Craig Era. I wanted to see how they did it. After that first viewing I did think it was contrived. I saw it a second time and felt better about it. Since then I've watched and read the reviews and have given it some thought. I now think the ending is beautiful. Sure there are plot holes but it still works. In fact, I think it's a very Fleming ending. When Bond is staring up at the rockets, I think of the YOLT haiku about living twice: once when you are born and once when you look death in the face. I think that Bond after all he went through, loss and betrayal, he was dead inside. But he dies knowing he has a child and that Madeline did love him. He feels alive inside. I don't think he committed suicide. He was shot and bleeding. There's the shot of blood falling when he's walking. He was going to die. Another Fleming aspect was the notion of the short lifespan of agents. It comes up in some novels. I'm currently reading Devil May Care by Faulks. In that a new 004 is named. Bond reflects on the need to constantly replace agents. As you know Craig uses the line in CR. So it felt real. I loved the final scene with Madeline and child. I thought it was beautiful. Not overly done.
I think Dalton would have loved having a death scene.
The film has really grown on me. I'm not a fan of the title though. It probably should have been "All the Time in the World."
I do think Craig left the series in a better places. Some aspects of his tenure will (and should) carry over.
The rush in destroying the island comes from earlier in the movie when M outlines in his conversation with Bond that basically every country in the world would want herakles and would be tempted to use it for ill.. they couldn't risk the incoming Russian or Japanese ships discovering the virus because there wouldn't be any putting that genie back in the bottle.
This ending is unforgivable to me and I'm seriously skeptical going forward.
You talking about the part where Dutch's old lady comes out and complains saying "you guys still talking about [NTTD]" when Bond videos are how he makes some extra side income? Yeah that was terribly rude, unprofessional too.
Ah, you mean the ending of the movie. 😄 Yeah that was pretty dumb too.
There is plenty of room to innovate and do new things with Bond but killing him is a fundamental alteration of the core of the character. It was previously unthinkable that a Bond movie would end with his death. It is like if Luke Skywalker joined the Sith. It is a massive seismic event that a broke vital fundamental rule of the series but even more importantly, it didn't feel earned.
Absolutely! 👍
Well Fleming ended From Russia with Love back in the day with the implication Bond was dead. If he hadn't been asked to write ideas for a ill-fated Bond TV series [the pilot of which was turned in Dr No] it might of ended there and there. It was unthinkable in the films until audiences because used to reboots so they have the freedom to kill him in one continuity before rebooting it in another, hence why they could kill Logan off he'll return when the Xmen come into the MCU.
Great review and analysis. Congratulations to you both.
Extremely well done, with great production values! I couldn't agree with your thoughtful assessments more. Look forward to viewing more of your content!
That ending tho!😂
Hilarious ending. That pretty much sums up the difference between men and women.
It's ironic that the ending of _No Time To Die_ was being discussed so deeply....then we get an interesting ending to _this_ video....lmao
A climax usually is messy 😉. But, the holes in the storyline are alot and gigantic. Usually those storylines aren't noticable in a Bond movie. Your suspension of disbelief takes care of that. But these holes are so big. Suspension of disbelieve cannot take care of them.
47:20 surprise cameo, anyway u guys made my day
Some claim Craig died in Casino (poisoned) and brought back to life, then he was "enjoying death" in Skyfall, then the Dead Are Alive in Spectre and then Bond dies for good when he has No Time to Die - Craig period is messy because of its continuation approach, which ruined a clever aspect of the Bond series, standalone movies...each film isn't reliant on the previous film...
I agree. The ending kinda ruins it for me. I loved the film up until they hit Norway. Then it's iffy till the end.
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"The rods were there cause they looked cool."
BINGO
Hahahahaha yesss, the ending was great! Well done chaps
The "rush" was because the "customers" were closing in. How many times did Safin shoot Bond? He was bleeding pretty bad. He felt he was doomed and accepted his fate. I loved the movie after the second viewing. I was gut-punched after the first.
Like to see part 7 with you two, Calvin and
The Bond Experience and discus out of box expections you expect after QOS. Live around 17.00 dutch time on Saturday. Thats 9.00 or 11.00 am in vs. Why live: so i can ask quistions and you start discussion.
Are we going to get HapHazardstuff document about Spectre?
I hope to get to it eventually!
I agree with DBF @8:04 Neither I, nor any of my friends who saw the movie felt any emotional investment seeing Bond die.
Safin also offered to Bond to take Mathilde, and go. Leaving him with Madeleine. He's in love with Madeleine, not interested in a step child.
This videos ending is 1000 times better than the film!
Feel sorry for the next James Bond (if the character does return), trying to pick up all the pieces after the ending of No Time to Die, it is almost as if Craig left a ticking timebomb or boobytrap grenade for the next actor as part of his scorched earth policy...
I'd argue the opposite actually. It would have been incredibly daunting for a new actor to pick up Craig's continuity and try to fill the gap. By ending with a 'clean slate', there is the freedom for the next Bond actor to have there own continuity and have the films tailored towards there own strengths. Also Bond 26 can be a new story and not have to follow Craig's storylines as it will undoubtedly be a hard reboot.
They did just fine after Die Another Day ;)
47:12 I'm shocked you didnt try again after dinner and edit this out
For me, the death ends up feeling unearned and the daughter part lackluster. I found a much better of this was in 2017's Logan, which ended the lengthy tenure of an actor in an iconic role (Jackman, Wolverine) _and_ featured a daughter subplot where it felt like the sacrifice was a much more tangible and necessary one to save the future for her.
It's funny, I haven't seen the film and I'm growing skeptical if I'll see it in theaters despite considering myself to be a bond fan but I've watched all of these discussions between you two and hearing the thought debate of "Well was it valid to kill James Bond at the end?" is more interesting than I predict the film will be for me to watch.
Ironic that No Time to Die will be known (No-wn) as the time when Bond died...
I think it would have been more powerful if we watched Bond rescuing his daughter, just before the missiles landed. Having sacrificed himself for Madeline and her child, she turns to her daughter and says, "I want to tell you about your father. His name was Bond: James Bond."
happy late thanksgiving guys, but man you are right not the best more i think about this movie, the more i unlike it, maybe this movie or the formula of last bond actors movies, make it bad so that the next reboot will peak everything, you are absolutley right thank god of not sugar coating it like most bond podcast out there, the ending was bad, but the second time i saw it i excepted his ultimate doom, but i wish they went the mission impossible route like you said or the dark knight ending, where maybe he lives, where maybe madeline is eating at some place with her kid, maybe in italy she looks over the next table, and she hears someone say, " can i have a martini shaken not stirred" and she sees bond just smiling at her, that would have been a nice ending, i still hated the kid, she reminds me of the episode in spongebob of bad patrick sketch, thats what i reminds me of, she wasnt that great and her arch was bad, bond was never trying to be endgame, i just felt they didnt know where to go with this bond after casino, like quantum had an idea but didnt go anywhere, skyfall was great, but there isnt much to it, and we see it been done before in TWINE, and then spectre and this one are just bad overall sure it has some good scenes, i can say the same for DAD, but overall not great, i enjoyed NTTD more than spectre, people hated that safin came out of nowhere and shoots bond, having watched it a second time, i think safin placed the teddy bear there, so bonds guard is down, and he sees teh green light at the end of the tunnel ( great gasby), and then thats when safin comes and shoots, him i did like that scene sure in a better movie, and not have bond been shot in the leg or somewhere else, but i did like how he hold his gun in a way, that he didnt care, that was great visual, but not a fan of his mario type clothing, why not just have the commander outfit on the whole time, i liked that more than this. first half is great, i hated the ending i like the indian way of saying bond james bond is so bad, that i how my unles say that " hey did you watch that bondjamesbond movie, im like you know that is not his name right, i just hated how she said it ,, maybe say there was once a man who goes by james bond" just straight foward will be okay, but i understand why they did it, also if bond does exist, i guess, people will go after his daughter and wife regardless, so to kill him off, it has no lost ties, no one will go after her, so it makes sense i guess, but not really the funeral scene i did like, i wish it was in a funeral, or some mi6 wall, since it will show james bond names with other fellow officers, or agents that also died for their countries, so they say the same stuff, and then close up on bonds name, and then zooms out to the bigger picture, that would be pretty nice. i think if DAD, killed bond off its make sense cause of how bonkers that film was, but yolt would be a good one for connerys death, for moore it could be his last one, getting a heart attack during sex, cause of being old and taking to much viagra, bronsnan was dad, and dalton would have died from ltk i guess, if there was another drug bad living and shooting him in the party. I would rather put all the time in the world, as the title when will you ever use the reverse majesties, route since they say all the time in the world, i dont think he left it any better, not really, i actually hated what he brang in later movies, he just felt like he couldnt do it, he hated acting this character, and maybe that is fleming, but come on at least like it, i would say when looking at fleming, i do get fleming looking vibes in craig, i would have loved to see felix gets wounded comes back to save bond at the base, being tortured by safin, this podcast has the worst ending with the girlfriend coming in, but yeah and felix gives bond a gun, and says bond, we have no time to die.
Craig's entire Bond arc is becoming the Bond of Connery, Moore. Dr No is in his Future!
Update: I re-posted this video on The Spy Command page on Facebook. I turned off commenting.
Hey John did you see the rumours about Idris Elba in talks about playing a villain in Bond 26 and if so would you like to see that happen.
Just more trash article from a trash newspaper
Idris Elba is about the same age as Craig, you know that?
We was a fun 'Roger Moore' style OTT Villain in Hobbs and Shaw
It was a disappointing ending that felt rushed and unnecessary. A total waste of not only a film, but an era.
Everything you didn't like is exactly why he didn't die. What Craig got is Bond believed dead at The End. That's All. That's A Lot! Remember. OHMSS had a similar reception, because at The End the audience felt similarly depressed and rejected!
James Bond wouldn't be interrupted by "Dinner's ready."
Madeline is back in Matera "letting go of the past"? No. "I want to tell you about a man." So a "secret".
In the theater i was in everyone including me clapped
John you really need to see the film again. There's so much you've missed in the set up of how and why Bond must die. You too Dutch.
His death was bloody heartbreaking and year jerking, so seriously Dutch, I love you bro but check your pulse and heart rate if you weren't moved to tears by this ending, especially the final moments of Madeline & Mathilde 8n the car as We Have All The Time In The World playing.
It was not a suicide, he was shot 5 times, he was bleeding to death. Are you two blind!!
His ending not epic !!
You two are on crack 😜😁
And John you clearly have listened to my in-depth video where I explained (no one else has) how yes the nannobots spread from person to person, and would eventually would get to Madeline, which you claim was not explained enough...!! You serious!!??.....How do you think Blofeld died!! Nannobots went from Madeline in spread to bond then Blofeld.....See, it was clearly explained.
Safin took Mathilde because he was obsessed with Madeline and he tried to appeal.to the one thing that Madeline love which was Mathilde but he soon realised that he could not get her affection.
He offered her (Mathilde) up to Bond to take and leave the island because he wanted Madeline all to himself, hint later he let her go because he didn't care for mathilde he only cared and wanted Madeline because Madeline in a sick twisted way was supposed to love him back because he saved her when she was young.
Far out guys I held you guys up as two intelligent not just Bond fans but film fans but boy you've both dropped the ball on this because I don't think you two can see the forest for the trees, you're so upset that Bond was killed off that you're not looking at the intricacies of this film, particularly the final setup, by way of subtext and shot composition.
Here's the thing though. He's Bond. Even Craig era Bond gets some horrible things done to him and pulls through.
Not a suicide! He climbs to the safest place!
you watched a different film than everybody else. They never found a body, because it disintegrated...
@@ethantoise4073 why would it more likely disintegrate than get tossed? why climb out at all if committing suicide? No funeral shown. Missing, Presumed Dead. "You fell off the face of the world. We thought you were dead." M foreshadows.
@@amymorrison4213 The safest place! XD. Go watch. He isn't tossed. He is standing there looking up at the sky like a complete moron when the missile obliterates him. The writers gave him anti-plot armor. He couldn't not die.
Hard to believe producers went to so much effort to bring Madeleine back and introduce Mathilde in this film and not look to utilise the ending where they drive off - suggest a Mathilde spin-off at some stage, the "strong female" character they say needs to be written for women rather than a female James Bond...and a spin-off sooner rather than later, maybe before the next Bond film.
No spin-offs !
Mathilde spin off? She's still playing with soft toys. Maybe she can fight crime with Dou Dou (or whatever the thing is called.)
@@thursoberwick1948 the reports suggests Mathilde spin off would have her as she trains to be a new agent/assassin and that was what Phoebe was writing towards, to create a new franchise around the Mathilde character
@@thursoberwick1948 no mention of a Duo Duo spin off after Bond's explosive ending...
@@patrickfisher4241 It's going to have to be a few years down the line. The character is really young just now!
I linked this video on The Spy Command page on Facebook because, as you may discern from my previous comment, I thought the ending was funny. A woman member of the page cried misogyny. So I deleted it because I didn't feel like a debate. My head hurts. A former friend attacked me on The Spy Command FB page. He's a Daniel Craig fanboy and gets upset. I think the ending of this video is very funny. I don't want to debate people about it.
Thanks for the effort Bill! I think it’s great some folks like the film! It just didn’t work for me - or at least half of it. As for our final joke we all thought it was funny, but everyone has their own perspective.
Unbelievable, some people these days. Even Lyrith herself finds it very funny. If anything she one ups us! She pulls us down to earth signalling this 6 episode long chat really isn't THAT important... Im glad you liked it Bill!