5.7L Hemi w/ Supercharger or Stroker Kit - Better?
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- čas přidán 20. 03. 2020
- Dodge Charger RT & Challenger RT 5.7L v8 Hemi with supercharger (Procharger) or stroker kit? is it better to get a forced air setup or increase the displacement of the 5.7L v8 Hemi? Let's talk to an owner of a Dodge Challenger RT with a procharger what he thinks of the Dodge Charger RT with a 6.5L 397 v8 Hemi. If you would like to see more Charger, Challenger, RT, 5.7L, Scatpack, Scat Pack, SRT, Hellcat or any other Mopar content make sure to subscribe.
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Yes we will be racing - Procharged 5.7L vs 397 vs Scatpack 392... At some point (after all of this stuff blows over).
This Corona virus is awful but at least the gas is cheap
The showdown we’ve all been waiting for!
Still waiting for a run with you in my whippled rt
It won’t blow over. Were all going to die and turn into zombies. 🤪🤪🤪. Im almost there lol
How things have changed in a yr
Imma be honest with you boy’s. I’d be happy with just a stock Hemi lol.
LOL - they're a ton of fun
We are blessed to live in a country that even has cars like these.
In a couple months I’m looking to buy a hemi 2020 one step towards my dream car( 2020 wide body Kat )
@@Sak-zo1ui Truth
Yeah I thought the same thing when I bought my Challenger RT. But the more hp bug bites hard and doesn’t let go lol
Funny seeing a manual guy try out the paddle shifters. 😁 Nice day to do that hemi dance!
hahaha - I think he was impressed with the instant power on this thing. Def a nice day
Forced air for sure get that beautiful whine sound
yah forced air is a great option
Hate that sound
damn that guy just created the dodge challenger R/T hellcat, if only that existed. sounds great
yah it does - that thing def moves!
Awesome build I must say Ted makes me very proud to be from Waterbury.
yah he's got a great shop - top quality in every category
One more thing, I talked with Ted at Jannetty Racing. He stated he hasn't lost a single boosted 392 or 5.7 Hemi that he has tuned. So guys if you want to boost your hemi, go for it just use premium fuel or E85 and enjoy it. Boost responsibly - dont go adding 10-12 psi on a stock bottom end.
It’s nice that you’re still giving us essential videos :)
I'm trying! NY is starting to get a little crazy. Thank you for the support
R/T Life I’m in California. And they pretty much have the whole state on lockdown. I did have a chance to build up my arsenal before rioting starts. Someone already tried to break into my home. Something must’ve spooked them off. I was waiting patiently for them with my 20 ga with buckshot. Next time... 😆. Stay safe and healthy. Family safety comes first.
@@bohemi1210 Just leave a few dvds out in the lawn leading up to an open window. Then be VERYYYY quiet.
big bob 🤣 My favorite Elmer Fudd line!
It's great to get the opinions from both sides. Good stuff Bro.
yah so many great options for these hemi's - def all have their upsides
Ha ha ha, you teased us!!! 2 videos & no race yet! Cant wait to see ya’ll line em up!!
hahaha I know - I'm being a chicken right now! Thanks man
I enjoyed this one immensely bud!! A great veiw ✌🇨🇦
Thank you! I really appreciate it. Def a lot of fun
Thinking about boosting and also strengthening my internals... XD Am looking at a Whipple setup, but I've been considering the procharger as a step in that direction. If only it weren't so expensive... 😜
Loving the journey! Vids can't do your car any justice!
Thanks man! Def having a lot of fun. Let me know what you end up doing.
I have a 2015 RT challenger with a whipple stage 2 setup with other mods like exhaust throttle body but stock engine running 10lbs and making 580hp 560ftlbs dynoed wheel power and have had no issues for 2 years. And different than the centrifugal I make 500+ ftlbs at 2500 rpm. Love the channel can’t wait to see your stroker with boost. My 5.7 made 370hp at the tire before and 540hp after the whipple on the base whipple tune. Just wait till you add boost to that stroker... game changer
Damn man, you're making some really nice power! yah I can't wait to see how this 397 does with some forced air.
R/T Life
That being said if you have the resources go with a twin turbo setup, much more control of boost and when/how much is applied. I just wanted to state that my supercharger setup doesn’t “take off like a slug” more like testing the grip of 315s
Can't wait for the race.
Should be interesting - his RT moves!
You really did an incredible job with that charger the power the look and sound....Definitely impressed how it takes off on the highway..👍 Yeah you definitely don’t want another run in with that state trooper 😂
here in NY they are out in full force - I'm not looking to get in trouble right now. Yah this 397 def moving! Was cool to hear his opinion.
Gotta love an all motor setup!
N/A power is a lot of fun
The stroker is the reliable power, with boost you have to watch closely to not over rev .
very true.
Nah, the 5.7 can rev out pretty high, but ya gotta worry about the rocker shafts and other valvetrain components. The fuel and those tight piston rings gap are the things that mess up the game. If a Hemi is on alcohol, there's some margin ( E85 and above is forgiving, methanol is even better ) and cools those piston tops off, but a bad tune......ya done.
Not true. Strokers wear the cylinder walls faster.
@@jaydubb71 how? And who told you this?
Well put👏👏...I am all in(6.4 Scat headers,exhaust, cams Ltheaders ,throttle body and tune etc..600hp easy)and looking into the next step or atleast curious but i love the sound of boost..
Will be very interesting to see. Stay safe brother.
Thanks man! Hows everything on your end? Hope all is well
Good stuff. A great comparison for the 5.7 crowd.
So many good options out there for the 5.7 hemi guys
Does a stroker kit come with all the forged pistons and rods i will need for a procharger?
Are people actually beefing up internals with a pro charger, or are they slapping that on, staying like 9 psi, and sending it? Sounds like he just sent it on stock. Yolo
yah he has a stock bottom end & running 10lbs of boost
@@RTLife I still love that you're building this car. I've been on the journey watching since the beginning. Your channel Actually convinced me into the RT. If you went hellcat, I'd have the same feeling I had when Brady left my patriots lol.
He’s gonna blow his motor sooner or later on stock bottom end for sure lol
Lol, I don't know why he need 10lbs of boost for 520ish wheel horses. I am little bit north of 500whp on 91oct safe tune. 7-8psi procharged it is completely safe on stock internals with propper tune and cost is not 10K. With little bit of know how you can install it for little over 7k. If you install long tubes with labor it is additional 2k(max). Btw motor just don't blow away if you know what are you doing but if he doing stupid sh...things he will not have any engine left for the upgrade. Cheapo way to swap pulley to bump boost is dumb. There is cam to swap, ported heads, ported intake... then befor upping boost internals. Stroker kit ●by it self● it is not big power adder (30-50whp), it is more like safety level for increased boost
@@dinozgb if he went e85 he'd be able to run 10 pounds of boost safer
If I want to stroke my 5.7 to run a decent amount of boost with a 2.9l whipple supercharger what stroker kit would you advise ofcourse I want to be safe so the compression ratio need to be something close 9.0.1 if your familiar about any stroker kits for a 5.7 with this compression ratio would apperciate the help
R/T Life what’s your tire set up? Do you have spacers?
We need more vids like this
I think I am going with a stroker kit next! Good video! I want to see those quarter mile times!Do you Mind sharing the price range for parts and install?!
Some of you get here so quick
LOL - they even beat me!
I have a 5.7 with the MDS delete kit from AMS. It tuned it for 91 with a diablosport tuner. I have a lot of fun with the car because I drive at least 1500 miles a month. To me it’s the best option for having lots of fun while daily driving without breaking the bank. I routinely get 24-25 on the highway. Most of the time averaging at about 18mpg combined.
No doubt about it - the 5.7L hemi is a blast to own. Just a tune really peps them up big time
Good video, just a hard comparison with stick and auto. I think that's the big difference he's feeling. I cant believe you guys didn't race somewhere
We will - everywhere we go cops are hovering. This just isn't a good time to be clowning around
If I were to build a 5.7, it would probably be a cam, exhaust, and low boost. By low boost, I would limit it to no more than 8 lbs. That would push the build to the limits of the rest of the drivetrain. If you add a stroker kit and build the rest of the drivetrain to support 700 plus horsepower, you'd be getting into Hellcat money. Without throwing stones at the R/T, the Hellcat is just a better car. For example, the Hellcat has better brakes, suspension, and wheels.
yah once you get into stroker kits etc. the $$$ spent is big time. Stroker + Forced = hellcat money
Hu 3.7 my old boss had a similar setup on his old SRT challenger 6.1 liter and made about 550 wheel on like 6-7 lbs.
TVS blower doesn't need a stroker kit. Just a good tune
No question you can build something fairly stout with the 6.1. I would prefer to build a 2015 or newer 5.7. The 8 speed is superior to the NAG1 transmission. When it comes to drivability, the 5.7 is superior and can make about the same amount of power with boost.
Hu 3.7 a built 5.7 can handle 900whp+
I would love too see this race... btw ur channel is the best. 101%%
You will def see these line up, will make for a fun race! Thank you for the support
Another great video, RT Life. I’ve been wondering the same thing. My only question (and maybe you can help me out here) is about the longevity of an engine block once it has a Stroker kit.
Would your build be susceptible to piston knock and does your build decrease the life of the engine block? How does it drive as a daily?
The 397 drives like stock when not pushed. Very smooth. Not sure about the long term though - that is something we will find out.
@@RTLife how was it ?
@@bamupnow8629 The engine is holding up great. No complaints about the stroker kit, cam etc.
I got a 2012 RT classic 6-speed building a 397 Stroker with a turbo not sure what size turbo to put on it but I have the I already had the power trip package for it so I'm going to use the heads not sure what intakes are exhaust yet or even the turbo but I'm pretty sure I want a turbo on it built not bought
I'm thinking turbo as well. The power gains are amazing!
R/T Life, I have a Question. When people get the 392 Intake Manifold, & 392 Cam which years do they go after?
Doesn't matter - the 392 makes the same power not matter which year. 15+ just got the 8 speed
@@RTLife oh alright, thanks for Responding Man! I was wondering because I have a 2012
Very cool! Thinking about putting a slogan on the rear window. MOPAR or its no car. If you heard it you know where it came from. Just having fun with everyone.
these Mopars are so much damn fun
@@RTLife, I found myself without wheels and was about to buy a 4x4So, I was going to be happy with a 4x4., But, then I saw a Charger with a HEMI up for sale and I had to test drive it. A little back story all other Charger and Challengers for sale were SXT or lesser. Now during the test drive it came apparent the Charger R/T needed to come home with me. It was so much fun! I had to change the front struts, that was the problem car had. It's been a blast to drive ever since!!!
Idk for me i would start with cams head and intake manifold if i would go force air I'll do internal
Yeah you can’t beat the low rpm torque of a bigger cube motor despite having more power. I’d love to have a 400+ cube motor but they’re so expensive which is the only reason I’d pick a supercharger over the stroker. I’d take a whipple though
yah the stroker kits get up there in price! Whipples are great - instant power when you step on it
I'm actually looking for a car to buy but a car that has my attention right now is 2020 challenger RT scat pack widebody also looking at 2020 mustang GT so lets see whats best deal i can get but i love idea supercharged with 5.7 to surprise people with the speed
It's fun having a sleeper - many try flexing at you & you blow past them hahaa. Can't go wrong with any of these - they're all fun.
I have a question will forged pistons and rods be enough to handle 800+hp?
Yes.
How much did you actually spend on stroker kit
I’m kind of new to your channel! but I just was wondering why you don’t go for a more aggressive exhaust?
I just wanted the exhaust with the best air flow for HP purposes
His exhaust sounds just fine.
pblackjac I never said it didn’t sound fine I was just wondering why he didn’t go for a more aggressive sound. Lol
R/T Life Okay cool! Thanks
@@raulsantos6975
I made that comment because, and
R/T Life has seen this saying from me before. There's good loud and there's bad loud. I find the tone of his exhaust to be more muscle car like than 90 percent of the mopars that I hear. It's real easy to wind up in bad loud territory.
The disadvantage with a stroker is that is thins the cyc walls. I;d rather upgraded internals and a roots style blower. Then you can go much higher on boost and not worry so much about breaking the engine block.
Ummmmm, No, increasing the bore thins the cylinder walls, stroking increases the piston travel leaving the bores stock
I'm a mustang guy but pop got an r/t Dr. Dre edition and I love it and this vid really helped on the decision to build a 5/7 and I was indecisive on stroker or supercharger but might do both 😈😈 😂😂
For me it's N/A all day! Superchargers and turbos are hard on engines, and since they run all the time they all take a shit, and when they do your car is down. To me it's just another thing under the hood that can and will go wrong. At least with nitrous guys if there system goes down they still have N/A. A well built N/A stroker car is plenty for the street and it's simple. If anything I would add a touch of nitrous for the track! Again if the nitrous system happens to go down you can still drive that street beast.
yah N/A power is great - I like knowing the motor is stronger with the kit.
I choose stroker just for the longevity. That stock turbo car will eventually go at 10 psi. Not to mention the stroker motor is a “power adder” motor
yah - it can be pushed and leaned on harder. I wanted forced air but I also didn't want to blow up my engine
R/T Life yeah I’m in the same boat. I went stroker as well but I won’t add the turbos until my drive train is upgraded properly. But at least I know when I’m ready I can do it
@@RTLife Wait, THINNING the cylinder walls helps with longevity how? Did I miss something?
The 397 and the supercharged 5.7 would be a fairly close race. The 5.7 would put down more power. However, the manual is at a disadvantage against the 8 speed automatic. Using the Hellcat as an example, the automatic is probably close to half a second faster than the manual version. If the supercharged 5.7 were also an automatic, it should beat the N/A 397 in the quarter mile.
We will see - at some point I would like to start running this 397. The weather is certainly there now.
I feel like he felt the insta power due to the fact this newer automatic computer shift faster and smoother than a manual car and auto technology now in days beats manual it sad to say it coming from a manual person but at the end of the day it's not about auto or manual it's about the driver 💯 both great cars with awesome setups and both have ups and downs at the end of the day cant go wrong with any setup.🔥
I'd like to see the rest of that cop video! I'm in long island too. Got stopped plenty of times in my challenger the last 3 years in Suffolk and Nassau. ALOT of cops out here 😖
hahaha - that guy was not very happy. we eventually got off with a warning
@@RTLife wow, yea he looked pretty pissed. 🤣 Glad he let you go👍
R/Teeeeee be safe out there brother!
I'm def trying - only head out there for an hour or so to make a video. Shoot right back home. Hope all is going well on your end
R/T Life ghost town up here. Cases has been low but you never know.
It is worth to buy 392 stroker kit to install it on chrysler 06 hemi 345.
You will enjoy having that larger displacement - adds some nice power
Positive displacement blowers are life. Centrifugals work better when you have a higher stall converter.
@@jaydubb71 personally I believe a turbo is a bit better. It has no parasitic loss when you go turbo. Also if you have your turbo set to 12 pounds it makes 12 pounds the entire time unlike the super chargers that need to climb up to it.
Forget the cars, I wanna see the vid of you gettin pulled over!! LOL We gonna see that one?!
Sounds like a beast - built not bought
Agreed! Def more fun building up something
Lol, I'll say it what about a supercharged 5.7 based stroker, lol your half way there.
yup! Combine both & you have a real winner
You my good man will have a winner, i do have a question: there are not alot of mopar mechanics around my area do you know what would be involved in replacing 5.7 hemi with a 6.4 hemi correctly????
@michael peery Steve White auto does a pretty good job of explaining what swaps like that entail. You should check out their site.
I have the older 6.1l hemi and want to go with a stroker kit and leave it N/A but I can't find a trustworthy mechanic. What do I do?
Where are you located?
@@RTLife SoCal
Bro I need and want 500 whp, need some ideas. 5.7 Hemi
Planned
Cat back
CAI
392 Intake Manifold
JBA Shorty Headers (Live in CA)
Whipple 3.O SC
Hey what’s up my guy i just gave you a shout out in my last video bro 💯💯
I will check it out - thank you for helping the channel. Def appreciate it
If I may ask, how fast were you going that the cop was that pissed? In that brief clip he wouldnt even let you speak
I was filming a car on the HWY & the officer pulled us over thinking we were street racing
Wasn't going fast at all - if anything I was below the speed limit
That's insane, I've lucked out so far here in MA. I'll be getting an 2016 RT so I'll have to make sure my luck doesn't run dry
stroker or super.....?
both
I decided to do a cam and forged internals and then after I’m doing the Hellion twin turbo kit. Should be in the 800- 900 whp range. Honestly question why I even considered a supercharger 😂
Sorry and a 5.7 based 392 stroker kit lol
I'm thinking turbo as well - the power gains are insane. That hemi is going to be screaming when you're done.
Forced air all day I’m doing it soon on my full bolt on SS
Yah you're going to be making some really nice power with that SS
where can i get that charger hood thoe
BMC Extreme Customs - it's called Killer Bee Hood
Where did you get the motor and how much was it
It's a 5.7L with an Arrington stroker kit on it
The wipple supercharger doest have the lag that the procharger has. Its much more like running a big cam. see if you can run a whipple vs procharger vs cam-stroker now thats a video.
It is a hard decision. Brain would say forged. But if I saw a Whipple on the cheap I think I would not be able to help myself
hahaha understandable - The HP gains on those superchargers is hard to pass
i have a rt i wana do sum stuf my is a 09 plz reply on sum beginners suggestions
I would start off with some headers & tune
I'd say a stroker motor is better. nothing better than all motor. Forced induction is too risky to detonate a engine. More shit that breaks.
I do really like the power of the increased displacement - at some point I would like to have both
you're on borrowed time if your rings do not have the proper gap for forced air. those piston rings will swell. not to mention the heat already generated on high compression engines.
I’m literally at this point now where I’m about to either sink serious money in my 5.7 or get back into the scatpack smh
Tough decision - you can make some nice power with both.
Nice to see Mr. Laidback again shit I'd be giggling like a school girl if I got to drive your beast . I like this guy he's okay in my books cool and calm lol
yah he's def a cool guy - Was happy to hear his opinion on the 397 build.
This video seemed to circle around how awesome YOU believe your mod is better. I don’t think the other guy gave an actual opinion. He respected the fact he was featured on your channel and was supporting your mods. Especially in the video ending, it was more your stroker showing off. I still love both cars, just giving you another aerial point of view of this video. To offset this negativity, I watched all ads entirely lol.
Where did you get that hood from?
It's from BMC Extreme - called Killer Bee
@@RTLife bmc? Wow really. Did you have any fitment issue? I've never trusted those guys.
@@brandon8819 I think it fits nicely - def no complaints on my end. Check out this video czcams.com/video/gSo3FykwHIc/video.html
@@RTLife thanks bud. Looks sharp for sure.
Boost by far will give you way more power than a stoker.
yah I think he has about 70+whp more than I do
TVS positive displacement blower is more impressive on a street car than a centrifugal...
yah they provide instant boost
Why isn’t his power instant is it because it’s procharged and not supercharged.
Hell.... I can't find any stroker for under 10k. Plenty of forged short blocks though.
Check these out - they're around 3k for parts
www.modernmusclextreme.com/c-290-57l-hemi-based-stroker-kits-by-mmp.aspx
www.cnc-motorsports.com/engine-parts/performance-rotating-assemblies/5-7-hemi-stroker-kit
I've seen kits probably wouldn't mind one from ShopHemi, HHP, or MMX... I was just seeing if I could find a long block. It was kind of a shits and giggles search.
Not really fair comparing boost to an N/A stroker if the stroker has low compression.
Def understand what you mean - if I had a compression around the 392 it would have around 40-50whp more.
R/T Life hell yeah
Procharged makes bigger *everything* throughout a much better curve than a naturally aspirated of the same displacement. Anyone arguing simply doesn't know what they're talking about. It just comes down to naturally aspirated can run *safely* on pump gas and only a fool would spend north of $6k on a procharger, then cheap out and run pump gas.
Synopsis:
You're on a budget = naturally aspirated stroker
You have Money= procharger on race fuel
I'm biased because I love my Charger scat, so my vote don't count.
Yes it does
Sorry to break it to you but all the older v8 Chevy with an ls the prices are and will go up because they are now harder to get and no longer produce ls motors it is not LT motors
That’s not Social Distancing
def not
you need a blower regardless. built motor is always good. but you need force air!
I sure do
I’m a Challenger RT owner so my vote is biased lol
I hear ya
All I'm going to give a detailed opinion so please read.
1. Forced air would be the cheapest way to make the most horsepower possible.
2. Stroker sounds cool, is built to handle boost, wont make as much power as FI build and costs more.
3. Forced air setup can be removed for resale, stroker cant.
4. If everything equal between the 2 vehicles (trans, tires, driver, weight) the forced air setup will be faster.
In short if your looking for the most out of it possible a blower is the way to go.
If you have the 10k to go stroker, and will be happy with mid 400whp go for it.
It's also complete bullshit that these 5.7/392 cars cant handle boost. Guys have been making 500 plus whp with the 5.7 for years now, and 600whp with the 392 for years. Of course a video of a canned tune FI car being blown up will get the most attention, but we never hear about the countless cars that are boosted for years and thousands of miles.
Another thing we need to put to bed is the god damn hellcat debate. Out of box yes the hellcat is a great deal. If you dont modify it, it's great but the SECOND you modify it throw the warranty away - AND if you blow it up or pop a piston your looking at serious MONEY.
I can blow my 392 3 times and replace it for what a Hellcat engine costs. Local guy here blew his hellcat up, piston broke and contacted the heads, and his whole engine from blower to pan was toast. He got a USED engine for $16,500.
Fact is it is a gamble no matter what you do, and I'd take my payments of a Scatpack with my blower setup any day over paying over $1,000 a month for a Hellcat with the fear of modifying it because I don't want to drop nearly 20k into replacing the engine.
450whp 5.7 stroker I made more than just with a cam set up
My setup is geared for forced air. If I did a stroker with my nap cam setup I would likely be at 500whp
R/T Life I have 5.7 stroked to a 410 now and 700hp n/a
The black car neve revvved past 3k. You hear the blue car shifting and revving. The black car never floored it or came close. A shame, this could have been an enlightening video.
Stroker with nitrous. I’m spanking hellcats with a 392 and nitrous
That's a solid combo
R/T Life it’s just not worst the $$ for just 150 hp. 5k to 8 k for a supercharger or 1500k for a 150 or 200 shot
Any competence you can’t get pulled over.detectors, jammers,
Spotters.
I have a 2016 r/t shaker. 55,000 miles great shape I’m in middle TN message me if interested
sounds good
397 that’s not a stroke it’s board30over but there both hot…
Centrifugal builds power with rpm. If he had a twin screw or a roots then he will get that hit from jump. The cam timing has a lot to do with it. If he had more cam to boost the bottom and midrange, he would say something different.
I agree with you on that
Do you think the comparison would be more accurate if the cars had the same transmission? That torqueflite auto transmission alone is hard to beat compared to manual.
@@spcwf98 absolutely. The range changes in the 8 speed plus the speed of the shifts outgun the manual by a mile. The only way you could get the manual equal to the auto you'd have to get it faceplated and install a flatshift system so you go full throttle clutchless shifting.
Why spend money on mods when apparently you automatically win races with Dr. Squatch man soap...
Stroker will be way more reliable
agreed - you can throw forced air on it more confidently