Pushing Portra 800 +1 Stop
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Nice to see you are using AI to write your scripts now!
I doubt that, I doubt that, I dou tha , I do ,System Failure!
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it was the sign off that gave it away.
Can we see portra 800 pushed 5 stops next?
portra 800 pushed 800 stops
@@yamimimiyaI might try this on medium format (6x9)
Are you asking if he can make a video trying it? Or are you asking if you could literally see anything…to which I highly doubt lmaoo
If taken seriously, this question indicates a complete misunderstanding of what pushing film is.
sounds like a job for attic darkroom
I enjoyed how you used a wide aspect ratio for the video since you are using the x-pan. A nice change of pace for the videos, interesting to see things more cinematic!
What he said ^
+1, same.
I love how this guy always experiments with aspect ratios in his videos.
Btw I love this wider aspect ratio Jason it covers most of the screen of you know modern smartphones
Great if you enjoy cut rounded corners and camera cutouts in your videos.
He makes his videos whatever aspect ratio he happens to be shooting on film
@@404Anymouse so cynical for what 😭
@@plutonium8567Sorry I just have strong hatred for wide aspect ratio displays
@@404Anymouse that's if you zoom in, the aspect ratio is perfect for the cursed iphone camera bump
High iso at the day and low iso at night is the mood
Sometimes I think I crank out pretty good pics, then I see jasons "bad" shots and rethink my life choices
Love the new aspect ratio on this 🔥
I guess Aerochrome is coming back boiss! No flaming Mountain Dew this time!
I'm a film noob. Over the last week I've been trying to understand pushing/pulling film, because it's often something that is described as happening in the shooting process instead of the development process. Nice straightforward explanation here and timely content to help me understand this further myself. Great video!
"I've been trying to understand pushing/pulling film" - Yes it is confusing for many. And to clarify it a little bit more, folks need to know that ONCE you make the decision to do either, THE ENTIRE ROLL MUST BE SHOT AT THAT SPEED...
@@y2ktubegood to know
Good question! Exposure and development go together.
The film speed set by the maker is a combination of the stock's sensitivity to light and development. The maker generally sets this so that the contrast of the resulting negative is "reasonable." (Note, there might actually be a quantitative standard I am not aware of.)
Deviating from the exposure and development will result in a contrast that is different than the standard. Push too far and there will be no shadow detail. Pull too hard and the same for the highlights.
My experience has been that a stop or two is the most you can do and still get decent results. Some stocks handle it better than others.
Have fun!
One of my favorite videos yet! Beautiful shots and the new aspect ratio.. 👌🏼
I finally get to use my full 21:9 monitor!
Those are some of your best shots! The wideangle format really seams to fit your view of the world. And adopting it to your ratio of the vid itself nice twist!
I love the underexposed shots because that's my type of photography. I'm really into dark photos.
Insane quality man, love the use of the aspect ratio and the scenes in general.
Thank you for this episode.
Love your work.
I adore this spot. Used to live in Marin, moved two hours north, got here at 3am once after work to shoot and I've never been more nervous by myself with gear.
Thank you Jason. Awesome photos as always
Ah the aspect ratio of the video to compliment the format of the film. I see what you did there
Some of the shots in this are among my favourites from your videos, especially the one from 3:25, 8:07 and 8:35. They have that quality that I like in some photos where it feels like you can step right into the frame - there's a real sense of the place. Maybe a benefit of the pano format. Anyway, I love your stuff, it's inspirational.
I really like the on location filmmaking. The wide angle lends to the feeling of being there. They also feel like they have some Wes Anderson influence.
Yo: love this content. One camera. One Film Stock. Great location. Thanks for making this and feel free to do more videos like this.
Excellent vid :) thanks so much for these great mini docs into your process
Love watching your films man ... The outdoor cinematography shots were awesome and the stills and moody color grade too man .
The pano aspect ratio is super dope.
Amazing video as always jason, easily the best and most consistent photography youtuber
Love the more artsy format of this video!
Another fun video!! With all the news reports on TV about photographers getting mugged around the GG bridge area and having their equipment stolen, I'd have been MORE than nervous about having a $6K+ Hassy XPan with me down in that area.
Glad nothing happened!!
See you next time!
CC
Portra 800 was released in 1998 and unlike Portra 160 and 400, it hasn’t fundamentally been updated since its release. If it’s based on Vision technology, which is stated nowhere by Kodak but sure looks like it, then it’s based of the original Vision technology from the 90s. Which is also very much in line with the overall look of the film. If it was Vision2 than the skin tones would be visibly more yellow just like Vision3 skin tones are perfectly balanced with just the right amount of magenta. But Portra 800 has the deep brown skin tones of the original Vision line. Just look at Jackie Brown which was shot entirely on Vision 5279 (500T) and gives strong Portra 800 vibes. The original Vision line also had an 800T variant (5289) which’s curves aren’t too dissimilar from Portra 800 just like Vision3 250D and 500T aren’t too dissimilar from Portra 400. But all that is ball ass speculation anyway since Kodak supposedly was fiercely separating the motion and still sides from one another from fear of industrial espionage. Don’t know if that went so far as to not share technologies though.
Also a one stop push really ain’t pushing Portra 800 to the limit, it can handle shooting at 1600 without a change in processing time just fine. Pushing to 6400 is where Kodak doesn’t provide curves anymore.
Something I appreciate about it being based on an older Vision stock is that everything else is more saturated as well. It's really pleasant when the leaves start falling off the trees and changing colors in fall.
Portra 160 and 400 are fun, but too neutral for me. But I appreciate the low ISO of 160 and it's fun to overexpose for brighter colors. A challenge but one I'm capable of when I want to take nice flower pictures.
This portra needs more light than its box speed might lead you to believe. At this speed the film is underexposed already, so pushing will make it worse, which is why some pics showed that problem. What that means is people usually overexpose it, so it can get good results but you need to adjust your exposure setting. Something like starting at +.5 a stop for nominal iso as its native iso and THEN push. This is not about its age but the need to know it’s box number is not it’s actual iso.
@@jpjast5739 So are you suggesting to rate at 400 and then push a stop in development?
@@LaskyLabs I keep bouncing between Portra 400 and 800 in terms of the daylight look. Nothing beats Portra 800 in low light but Portra 400 looks so perfect in daylight.
Pushing color film is a myth, it is not possible chemically the only thing that would happen is change the contrast and the dominant color
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your videos have become my scheduled time of introspection- just like i have a scheduled time to blow up the taco bell bathroom every wednesday night.
Congrats on hitting 200k subscribers!!
i love all the shots you took that day 😎👍
That turn and smile after shooting the two people walking 😂😂
absolutely love the aspect ratio for this one
can never get enough of that camera tbh
I’m so glad I watched this in my phone. Love the aspect ratio
LOVE IT 💚
Especially the way you make your videos that feel super personal, as if we're listening to a close friend.
Thank you!
but... more Polaroid 600 videos, please?
It's been a while. A long while. 😅
Thank you!
that was some beautiful light
Did you shoot this on an anamorph!??? I love the look.
Alsooo that wide aspect ratio in an xpan video is something you just have to appreciate.
Was gonna ask the same thing
At 2:02 the flare is definitely squeezed, I’d say it’s either a true anamorphic lens or an anamorphic adapter on a normal lens. Gotta love the whole “well, I’m shooting the X-Pan today, I guess I’d better get an anamorphic lens for my video camera”
Some really great photos! Nice to see a camera with lens and no survival bag, that can be used for shelter. Bravo.
Loving the new aspect ratio my dude.
Finally an aspect ratio for my 3440x1400 monitor.
8:30 truly is awesome, but I think you nailed most of them.. Job well done.
Not only are these my favourite film shots of yours, but also the cinematography this video?? Nailed it
The shots look good Jason, I do wonder if you'd set the black point in a few of them a bit lower whether that would have helped mitigate the muddiness/graininess somewhat
LOL its the "butt can" for me haha. Great work.
Gosh Jason, finally a video thats the right aspect ratio for my phone 🙄 (for people that don't understand humor, this is a gest)
The aspect ratio of this video had me double checking if it was really your channel lol
yeah, aspect ration of the video based of the film being shot is the shit!
Great photos, really liked this!
I really only shoot 800 (sort of color in general) on medium format so the grain “problems” are not nearly as severe as you’d see on 35mm. Contrast punch added in push processing I think works great for the film, but the color shifts can for sure be unruly. It’s never been unrecoverable
love these shots 👍
Nice set of pics!
Beautiful photos and beautiful video. Thank you!
Also - you weren't robbed in SF? 👀
C41 process generally isn't great for uprating or downrating. I worked as a pro for a good number of years in the late 90s and early 00s in film, so I have a fair bit of experience. Portra NC 160 didn't do too badly rated +1 stop. E6 actually did a bit better on Kodak E100S for pushing and pulling. Black and white owns the push and pull space. I love the pano aspect ratio, and your shots are really not bad on this roll!
Thank you for explaining pushing it really helps novices like me
Dude that first shot was awesome. Print worthy 100%
Jason's attitude towards film and photography, mostly ambivalent and indefinite, make a great analogue to how film operates as a medium for capturing reality, mostly ambivalent and indefinite.
It's a crazy head-canon once you see it!
That shot of the bridge with the busted dock on the left ( at 5:03 ) is sick! EDIT - 6:23 is sick too!
Panoramic again! 👏👏👏
I came for the xpan photos. I stayed for the anamorphic video 😍
Wonderful video as usual.
Great content as usual! are some of the shots from anamorphic lens?
Thank you for not putting fake black bars and let the player do its job.
Gotta love a fully filled 21:9 monitor with video!
Nice, widescreen video that fills my whole phonescreen :D
Glad you met Lucille
Recently pushed Lomo 800 +1 and there was way less color shifting. I was stunned how true to life the colors were. Could have been the lab, but regardless I dug it and will be doing it again.
Love the black bars all the way around.
Cinestill 800 is a Vision3 500iso film cross-processed with c41.
So it makes total sense, that Portra800 could be Vision2 500iso film.
Also, in my experience, you can push film with ECN-2 processor much more, than in c41. I prefer Vision3@1000iso over Portra800@800/1600
The work you make with the xpan is really compelling. I can stop looking at the shots you make with it.
"the xpan is really compelling" - Yes, but too bad that the camera's meter handles so poorly the bright-sky-with-subject-in-open-shade conditions. The xPan is Auto metering in a manner that is creating a Back Light situation; hence the badly underexposed foreground main subjects. - Jason should have instead checked with a meter HOW FAR OFF the xPan was reading the Open Shade areas. - PUSHING the film also exacerbated the poor metering & results by the xPan...
You’re all good, don’t worry about it. Classic
Have shot many rolls of Portra 800 at night hand-held at 3200 with great results. Actually it's the only color negative film that can handle that level of push processing very well with great results. Lomo 800 is a close second.
Do you have examples online of the 3200 shots somewhere? Would love to see your results!
The broll video lens is very nice, it's making me feel things lol
hey, what scanner do you use? Looks good :) Great vid man
My ultrawide monitor was so shocked to use the black edges for a youtube video it nearly just stopped working
i said to myself "i need some rest". Perfect panorama for my break :)
you have convinced me to use the dreaded tripod
what lens did you use for filming. it looks so good
Some kind of anamorphic by the looks of it. Probably surui or vazen. There are also projector setups that can be had for relatively little dollars.
also wanna know what lens is. looks hawt
I think pushed is good when shooting with the light. Or better said with the direction of the light. If shot into the light then, yeah, will be muddy. Love this video.
The photo at 4:10 is really great actually, the super wide lens, the composition, the lighting and shadows. i would be smiling ear to ear if i took that photo, sure theres a little extra grain, but it gives it a sort of retro vibe. Don't be too hard on yourself man.
That shot you said is unusable is so rad haha
My understanding is that pushing our pulling refers to automatic or semiautomatic modes for exposure. If you use manual mode, then you are in total control of the exposure. So you can still use iso 800 but overexpose
Grainy days out here pushin p(ortra)
Thanks dude I was about to load a roll at 1600 but imma try 1000! Preciate
That's a gorgeous viewpoint at 7:06, I'd love to paint that.
great video but i was missing the mountain dew challenge part of it! is it over, yet?
IM SO EARLY LOVE ALL THE SHOT BTW!😍
8:30 thats a really nice one!
Did you add lens distortion to the B-roll to simulate how it looks through the wide viewfinder of the XPAN?
I ejected coffee out through my nose at the “took a dump in the butt can” bit 😂
What lens are you using on the video camera? everything looks very interesting!
Ho do you get the sky to look this gray beige colored? Or was it overcast? Ive never created a photo with this kind of sky. I really like it. And also, I love the shot of the bridge which you said is unusavle.
OK. When I was dumb and young, I used 35mm Portra 800 with my Olympus Mju point-and-shoot without thinking too much about the price. But nowadays, I only buy Portra 400 for my Leica M6 because 800 is too expensive lol. As for experiments, I pushed +2 for 3 rolls of Ektars before and the lesson was do NOT push +2 for Ektar.
JASON what lens were you using?????? it had to be an anamorphic right?
How is kodak going to bring back aerochrome if you stop drinking the dew
Bold choice to shoot the episode on an anamorphic lens!
babe wake up, jason dropped another video
Came here mostly for your accompanying comments 🙊 and your photography of course
babe wake up new grainydays aspect ratio is here
pushing 🅿️
I liked this video for the last sentence.
I dont really know if you ever did, but if one day you release a book with maybe photos and some commentaries here and there i would insta-buy it!
The difference between this stock being 500 ISO for cinema use and 800 ISO for stills comes from the development process. The ECN2 process needs more light/makes the film less sensitive. C41 on the other hand requires a bit less exposure.
sorry dad, can't perform the heimlich maneuver on you now, grainy J just dropped an xpan video
omg grainery. i forgot all about it since its week of hype.