Portra 6400 (Pushing Film)
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- čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
- This week I take a look at how to push color film, specifically with some Portra 800 at 1600, 3200 and 6400iso.
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I’ve pushed 400 ISO film stocks to 1600, there were many times I had to correct colours to remove a green tint. You can certainly get usable results!
Do you know what app did he use for metering?
@@bornwithoutamind7723 Lumu Light Meter
@@bornwithoutamind7723 lumu light meter
I'd kind of love to see a different use case here. It doesn't feel natural to push 800 in daylight, but I'd be super interested to see how it fared in low light, indoors, or night time. These are all cases when you could shoot 800 just fine--and it is a useful exercise to see the color shift. But I'd also love to understand how pushing works in scenarios where 800 might just not give you the range you'd need.
I might see a use case with long telephoto lenses and needing fast shutter speeds with less-than-ideal lighting outside
As much as I'd love a native 1600 ISO color film, I have to admit that Portra 800 pushed one stop has always been a pretty good stand-in.
Still... Natura or Superia 1600 would be very welcome.
But if I was given the choice for a new film stock, I'd rather have Ektachrome 400 or Provia 400X.
Seriously, if Fuji brought back Provia 400X, I would get a FujiFilm tattoo and forgive them for every great filmstock they've killed in the past decade.
Well native iso is usually a murky territory.
Usually all those 1600iso films are 800iso pushed. They just market it as 1600 and put additional development time on the box
@@someonewithsomename fair.
Pushing is said to work a lot worse, while pulling (or "printing down") is almost preferred to avoid any muddiness in the dark areas with normal exposures. And because you can apparently safely get 5+ stops that way. Would you do a video experimenting with pulling film?
Why would you pull 5 stops?
Never pull film unless it is slide film.
Yep
Why would anyone ever pull film? There's no point.
you mean -5 stops lol. make your iso800 a iso25...
Always a good day when a Willem notification pops up ✌️✌️✌️
thank you for explaining what pushing film is in a very simple way.🙏🏾
this is a great video, I love the way you communicate the nuance of pushing film and what's actually going on with the highlights v shadows in development
So glad you’re posting more consistently again
Thanks for that clear, concise explainer on pushing film. I hear a lot of film photographers talk about it (as a digital shooter) but I've never understood how exactly one "pushes" film.
Loved this video! Such a good visual explanation of pushing film.
i love the idea of you reviewing the photos. please put them on full screen next time so we can see them bigger. thank you Willem for this beautiful video :)
Willem out here doing the lords work. Paying to make these mistakes so we don't have to
This is amazing example and explanation. Great shots. I hate how ugly is is where I live and how beautiful it is where you are!
I would love to see the same test for 35mm film!
The results would be exactly the same. The grain would just be more noticeable since it is bigger relative to the size of the exposure.
@@JorenVaesNo it is not, grain is the same size regardless of the film size, on larger negatives the four times less
cant wait for the long weekend backpack
Just wished you had a reaction video of the lab.
Thanks for sharing! 👌🏻
What is this app you used in this video to meter the light?
I push +2 to +4 all the time for concert photos and nighttime street photography, and I find that DSLR scanning goes a long way in helping bring out more detail in shadows or with high-contrast images.
DSLR scanning actually has less dynamic range than a flatbed or a labscan
Unless you do multiple exposures and compile them as if doing HDR in post.
@@goldenhourkodak My man said a sensor made in the early 2000's has higher dynamic range than a modern sensor. A 60mp sony would outresolve every bit of detail a medium format negative has, including the shadows and highlights.
The fact you mentioned a flatbed shows how incredibly out of touch you really are.
Great experimental video!
13:25 what an intriguing totally generic everyday backpack 👀
Great video! Would love to see the same test but with portraits (both studio and natural light)
Great time to open CZcams!
One tip for pushing film in daylight is to set the meter to one third stop less than you want to push it. Just to give the shadows more room. So for 3200 you’d meter at 2500. For night stuff where you’d push film because it’s really dark and you’re not using a tripod, it’s better not to meter at all and just give the film as much light as is practical. Maybe meter for some medium lit spot on a stage to make you’re not loosing anything.
Love the video Willem! Do you use a light meter app, use one in camera, or use an external one?
Really interesting! This also falls into that much loved catagory of "William did this so I don't have too" videos! ✌
Great explanation!
Well, I would say that taking photos in that already high contrast light at sunset, while pushing the film, is really pushing it! 😄
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Great video ! So happy I found this channel ! May I ask which app of light meter you are using ?
Cool video - I would have liked to see you shoot in very low light scenarios, or more flat light - I feel pushing is typically used more on gray days and indoors.
Hi Willem, i undertsand lot of things with this video so thank you ! What is your light meter app?
The data sheet for Portra 800 says you can push to 3200 no problem, and even tells you the negative density relative to box speed. Data sheets are amazing.
I like to see you taking pictures in the streets again 🤟🏻
I'm curious how the negatives looks after lab work
Wow, Portra 800 @ 3200 is something I'm willing to try out now!
Willem can be a documentary reporter for classic photography. His delivery is so relaxing. I'd listen to him talk all day
I pushed portra 400 to 1600 and the grain was similar to the original portra 800! Too much color-correction needed, but for night and telephoto lens photography it's a fun experiment.
Great work! It was very interesting to see this! Would love to see how far portra 160 or 400 can go!
Kyle McDougal has a video on his channel with those as well
Portra 400 can to 3200 but thats about it. It doesn’t have the underexposure latitude 800 has.
Appreciate this video, I have recently been actively taking pictures of birds in their natural habitat & I've been using Portra by 1 stop in order to use high ISO. I want to push it further in order to capture movements of birds interacting with one another rather than just static images. So if this 6400 image is somewhat pleasing with a log scan, I might do it. Appreciate the content! Also for contrast shake, you should maybe have shot the 6400 first? Maybe you did and I can't tell from the editing, but just a thought.
Willem, been a subscriber for a long time. I have to ask, are the rings a family thing or just your style? Dig em.
I remember pushing Tri-x400 to 1600 in 1989 Central America. red filters in the print room.
Try pushing some Kodak Vision3 film! I've been experimenting with 250d pushed to 1000 and I've been getting really great, consistent results.
I honestly kinda love the pushed to 3200.
What app did you use to calculate the parameters?
He uses lumu lightmeter
The look of the image at 10:50 reminds me of ecn2 cross processed E100.
Nice vid as always !
What light meter app did you use btw ? Thanks ❤
According to @jdhxhd it's Umu Light Meter
Which light meter app do you use on your phone ?
I did my own research and I think is the Lumu Light Meter
@@juztalejandronice ! Thank you 😁.
Not sure if this makes sense cuz you can compensate with slower shutter buuuut do this at night. Please! Just curious 😅
what’s the metering app you’re using? Great video!
1:53 can I ask what is this light meter app? Been looking for one for quite some time now. Thanks in advance!
incredible video! i have to ask, what app is that??
It's called Light Meter. The makers also sell a device which you can attach to your phone to make it a real incident light meter.
Love it!! What light meter app are you using?
i was curious too and i found it, it’s called lumu light meter
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amazing vid, Willem. yo... what's the name of the lightmeter app you use?
According to @jdhxhd it' umu light meter
I used to push Ektar 1000 5 stops and print 1.5meter (5ft) wide ra4 prints from 35mm negs lovely grain❤❤❤❤
would the effects of pushing that many stops be amplified on lower ISO film like 200 to 800? I feel the contrast and blown out highlights would be much more intense than on more sensitive film. Also would love to see this in a black and white version, that increase in contrast could add a nice style
Almost everybody I know shoots Ilford HP5 (native ISO 400) at 1600. Box Speed just looks very pale on this stock. So yes, in bnw photography it is well appreciated.
Gold has two stops of underexposure latitude so it can do 800 without pushing. Pushing would probably give you really saturated colors and a lot of contrast. I’ve tested just shooting at 800 and not pushing and they came out a bit warm, flat, and muted but still pretty usable.
Superb content as ever, but I have a question unrelated to photography... what t-shirts are you repping, pro-club? I'm in need of some staple, plain t-shirts and the ones you're wearing look crispy. Can we all agree?
I've gotten my favorite photos pushing portra 400 to 1600 iso but only if i shoot at blue hour as soon as the sun sets, and with 1 or 2 continuous lights
PUSHING 🅿‼‼‼‼
Side note, rip to that w124 merc.. mine died from similar damage same color too!
hey, willem may I know which light meter app you were using in this video.
Thanks for the nice video! I wonder (or if I missed it) why did you shoot at F16 and not lets say F8 just in regards to diffraction blur.
Weird there are no replies to any of these comments from him.
Bro had me for a second that Kodak released that
Pushing film really makes sense to me only when I'm trying to shoot some night time photos without a tripod. Day time photos would always look a bit off.
Can I ask what light metering you are using on your phone? Thanks!
why aren't you using the built in light meter?
Cool nonchalant Easter egg. Did nobody notice?
Go willem go willem go
Would you mind sharing how the lab pushed your film?
Pushing the film by extending development time is one way to do it but most labs don't have maschines to extend the time, so they increase the temperature of their chemicals.
Higher temps tend to have a worst effect on colours (beyond +1). Would be great if you could share this info.
Fully agree and would be interesting to see how different development times affect the pushed roll.
For my 2c I spent 22 years in commercial film processing and printing. In those busy film days our processors could not push or pull film. The exception was the E6 processor which was able to do it. And unfortunately it was a mechanical dial to set the process. Many films were unintentionally pushed or pulled if the setting was not changed for the new films.
What app do you use for metering?
cool idea! I wonder if you could push vision3 500t to for example iso 800?
They did this a lot for The Hateful 8 so you can get an idea. It’s also been photochemically printed so that’s really good to evaluate what that does. But two third of a stop isn’t really much. The whole first season of Succession was shot on 500T and exposed at 800 without a push. It can easily be pushed to 1000 without any real loss in image quality.
@WillemVerb I’ve always been under the impression that c41 film, has a lot of attitude and that with one stop over or under you don’t need to adjust development time
What light meter app is that @ 1:50? :) ty
If I set the iso to 1600 do I have to increase my shutter to compensate ?
What would the development be if doing it at home?
Somehow this stock at 3200 makes West Coast Light look like East Coast Light
Anyone know how he is able to adjust the aperture setting in lumu light meter? I can only edit the shutter speed
what app are you using in the video and can it really used for spot metering? cheers
It seems to be the Lumu Light Meter App
cheers@@OscarFunes
I have this app and I can only make it work in Spot Metering as well. How does he make it meter the whole screen?
Hey, I found out how to do it. In bottom left corner of camera view there is text “POINT”. Tap on the text "POINT" and you can switch between point and screen measurement.
@@enniodanieli i think the spot metering is the useful one! though I cant really check for correctness since I do not have a physical light meter with spot measure capabilities. Will try it though the next time and fully use the zone system for the first time :)
What kind of camera are you using if you don’t mind me asking
is that up on mt Washington by Eric Weirheims house?
Good 📷🎞
Can someone explain to me what pushing +2/+4 is? I don't understand. I'm kinda new at photography
Is there a reason you shot most photos at f/16? Some of those shutter speeds were unnecessarily long and could have been raised by opening the aperture.
We need that backpack, gotta stop teasing us
What camera are you using?
Never be afraid to lose the shadows if it suits your look
Where did you scan this shots? By which scanner?)
Shoots Natura 1600 in direct sun, you know, for the vibes.
what app he was using for photo shot metering ??
what’s the lightmeter app called?
anyone know what app hes using on his phone for light meter?
What app are you using to meter?
What light meter app is this? I like the UI a lot
Perhaps the app name is LIGHT METER. I'm using it too.
what i've learned is that if someone pushes me, i should say stop! +1
what app did he use for metering?
Does anyone know what Light meter app he is using?
does anyone know what app he's using to meter? i've never seen this one before and would love to try it!
Lumu light meter
what lightmeter app is that?
The crooked calendar on the wall is triggering my ocd 😅😅
What app light meter app is that ?