Akademia Szermierzy - Fior di Battaglia: Chapter III (The Plays of the Sword)
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Makes us realise that a duel with a competent swordsman from the middle ages could end in a split second. One counter move, and you're done.
Does it now? :) The sword isn't a lightsaber. A scratch does not do 100% damage. Most of these are fictitious and some are even funny. Imho these gentlemen are showmen and their art is not representative of an actual swordfight from any age. The length of weapon is unfeasible and provides less advantages to having a shorter sword + shield in any skill level.
Also, see how some guards and stances simply require 20-30-50-100% more motion in some cases. That is not viable in any circumstance. I feel that the weapons that they use are not as heavy as they should be.
@@Icetornyt One of the biggest European sword the 2 handed claymore weights only 3.2 kg. 2 handed swords are used for dueling or with full plate armor against less armored opponents. Half swording and pommel bashing is used against armored oppoments in case you lost your mace, pole axe or wathever else you carry.
A real duel is never as smooth as a demonstration but it could end quickly or not...
use a spear, any tom dick and harry could take out a swordsman with a spear.
Same as the Lion. Fierce but only for a few minutes then exhausted in a few minutes...
@@Icetornyt what? the Op said "duel" not battle, hence yes this could very well happen. Duels were often between nobles for sport, swords are rarely ever used in combat.
>tfw we will never get a historical movie with swordfights like this.
search "alatriste"
Hold the Polish vodka and watch
@@asmodeus.morningstar here is no letter V in Polska. Just W. Wodka.
no dude.. the movie would be over in minutes.. there'salways a difference in historical vs fantastic
@@narcissus79 No, it wouldn't.
Firstly, you can dramatize these techniques to draw out the fight. HEMA practitioners are already doing this and the results are better than Hollywood.
Secondly, thanks to more gritty, realistic TV shows, like GoT, viewers are now used to shorter fights, so they no longer expect a duel to go on for minutes (as they do in Chinese martial arts movies or
the old Errol Flynn films).
Thirdly, the heroes are often outnumbered (e.g. most of the fights in the LotR films) so they don't spend a long time fighting a single opponent anyway, in which case a skilled dispatch
using a historical technique is just as impressive as a fantastical death.
HEMA practitioners are proving that fantasy TV/film fights don't need to be unrealistic for them to last long enough, or be dramatic and entertaining. Instead, the main obstacle to such choreography is the actors' lack of martial skills, which limits the moves they can make, especially because of safety concerns, but if the public demands realism, actors can be trained to the required standard and stunt doubles used when necessary.
Those disarm techniques at the end of the sequence really show off just how well developed medieval martial arts had become by the time the manuscript was made. Also an earlier example where the sword is bent over the shoulder to secure a Kimora or hammerlock is a great indicator that these were developed in conjunction with people proficient in unarmed techniques and a grasp of body mechanics.
Really fascinating stuff.
A lot of people during this time also engaged in friendly wrestling. Sword-fighting, at least in the European style sprang out of wrestling initially. So it's good you see these unarmed techniques bleeding into to the sword fighting itself. :)
@@tamamalosi the only diffrence is often martial training turned in some kind of safe zone for fragile little souls
Actually, Fiore is one of the oldest that we know of
@@themanformerlyknownascomme777 The oldest is MS I.33, from the turn of the 14th century, so right around 1300. Fiore is around 1403-1407, Liechtenauer was around the same time, and Talhoffer comes a little later around the 1440's.
@@TheCrimsonIdol987 He said one of not the oldest
3:13 holy shit why don’t we see this in movies
2:47 sword went through his padding, dang
Woah😯
Oh man that was scary
Oh fuck, did not even see that before. Most likely went only trough the top layer of the jacket, though, which is not protective.
Pause on that frame. Looks like the real deal...
@@ChimpFromSpace Hans! How many times did I tell you to bring the sparring swords?
Jesus that incredible disarm at 3:12 is some serious John Wick sort of shit :D
Well I never saw this move before, if it was implemented in film or animation it would look great.
I couldn't agree more, what a swordsman!
More like MGS V knife disarm
There's a few disarms from Fiore's system. All of them look cool. They're hard as balls to do, though, and I've been training Fiore's system for months now.
They killed Sir johned wickes horse
A few of the moves after 1:42 were the ones where Fior just went: “It’s not always flashy, sometimes just whack them.”
Those two moves are demoing the leg slip, and the geometric advantage gained when your opponent cuts at a low target. An important, if not flashy move
don't forget Fiore at one point advised a low, straight frontal kick to the 'nads as a fight-ending move.
@@notfeedynotlazy If it works in that moment I’m sure Fiore would advise you do what you must to survive.
Also a nad kick is quite funny centuries later
@@marakalos3838 All of Fiore is "bar brawl done _right."_ This is *not* said as a _bad_ thing.
@@notfeedynotlazy I don’t imply it as a bad thing. Life is harsh and surviving attacks is harsher.
Tho a nad kick is still entertaining as a viewer. Receiving it is oft debilitating.
Besides, Fiore did give good instructions on how to fight, never a bad thing if it’s justified.
That disarm at 3:14 is spectacular!
Next time a Medieval movie wants to do a fight scene, they needa hook you guys up. Sick of all this "cutting through plate with a sword" and "re swinging really hard works" bullshit. Give us some real sword play please.
Ain't nothing wrong with a good healthy hard swing, but has to have a martial purpose. Just like in boxing, there's a time and a place for the hook and uppercut, but you got to set up into it.
i mean i agree, but battles in movies would be over in a split second. just maybe 4 moves and its over, as it was in real battles.
Its coming along slowly. Just look at GoT, there was a few scenes where the armor worked as intended.
@@joel5274 No, they wouldn't.
Firstly, you can dramatize these techniques to draw out the fight. HEMA practitioners are already doing this and the results are better than Hollywood.
Secondly, thanks to more gritty, realistic TV shows, like GoT, viewers are now used to shorter fights, so they no longer expect a duel to go on for minutes (as they do in Chinese martial arts movies or the old Errol Flynn films).
Thirdly, the heroes are often outnumbered (e.g. most of the fights in the LotR films) so they don't spend a long time fighting a single opponent anyway, in which case a skilled dispatch using a historical technique is just as impressive as a fantastical death.
HEMA practitioners are proving that fantasy fights don't need to be unrealistic for them to last long enough, or be dramatic and entertaining. Instead, the main obstacle to such choreography is the actors' lack of martial skills, which limits the moves they can make, especially because of safety concerns, but if the public demands realism, actors can be trained to the required standard and stunt doubles used when necessary.
Joel case in point czcams.com/video/Cn36Pb8z3yI/video.html&app=desktop hell you can have a fight like the video game kingdom come deliverance runt fight you just have a little more there and boom
The graphics on this game are amazing!
this meme needs to die!
@@alexanderleeart thank you
Kingdom come deliverance was inspired by hema
I particularly like the portrayal of how long or, rather, how short this type of fight lasts.
There is a yellow band around the knee of the sword fighter displaying the skills of mention in the illustrations and video. Figured that out halfway through.
In the manuscript that these techniques come from is that the garter or crown that sometimes shows up is actually gold leaf. It serves the same purpose.
To see the sword presented like this is awesome. How truly impressive it is to watch a skilled person with this weapon.
1:44 Shad's favorite technique.
I see your a man of culture as well
If this video had appeared a few years ago, I'm sure Fiore would be more popular now.
Good work indeed.
I don't know. I think Meyer is the easiest for modern newcomers to understand because of the specificity of his language. I feel similiarly about the various Liechtenauer glosses, ringeck is very understandable. That coherence lends itself much more to selfstudy than fiore.
Fiore really pisses me off and I can't stand to try and figure him out for more than 3 minutes at a time.
"Because of your hilt, which I hold in my hand I will make you bleed with my point in your face"
Fiore is a dick read a ill made knight he is in the book and a ass
lmao he wasn't an ass, ya'll need to actually research before you critique. Fiore was forced to challenge multiple sword masters yet he won them all. He didn't share his techniques with them because they were all arrogant, arrived late and he viewed them as unworthy, whereas Fiore always came early and killed anyone who badmouthed him. He's the complete opposite of Miyamoto Musashi.
Plus, if he was truly a dishonorable prick, he wouldn't have been appointed to teach dozens of noblemen and courts in Italy and the Holy Roman Empire how to duel. He even taught his own condotierri. In his later years he wrote this book and opened his own school, but he never tried to spread it as aggressively as the other fencing masters, which is why his technique died out so early.
2:55 When your friend says he's only gonna hit soft
I love the executions of your actions, energic but clean!
The disarming at the end blows me away
All of Fiore's disarms work off the principle of twisting the sword in the opponent's hands.
In the one that everyone likes in this video, how it works is that you use your off-hand to pin your opponent's arms against their body, and use your body to pull them off-balance while at the same time, you use the handle of your sword to turn and twist the sword in your opponent's hands.
This is how the disarm works.
The last disarm they show is the easiest disarm to perform in Fiore style longsword, and the first one is the most technical and the hardest one to pull off.
These are the best Fiore videos on CZcams. You guys are great!
I just can't stop watching this, I come every 2 weeks to watch the 3 chapters available.
I love the fluidity of the techniques in this video. Using every angle of the weapon for different types of strikes. It really illustrates how there's no single "forward" direction of the weapon, but many. Excellent video!
I love you guys for doing this. You show Fiore's plays how they're meant to look...At speed and with intent. Look forward to seeing more!
super work...really gives life to the book/drawings
1:54 Ah yes the Mikiri Counter.
What a beautiful presentation, i'm in tears.. Please keep doing what you do guys
Absolutely beautiful work as always.
YES!!!
Finally, a new Fior di Battaglia video.
Those close up plays were fantastic. Thanks for the upload.
Ive watched these vids a disgusting amount of times, i love how you guys really kill each other to sell what these techniques look like in combat lol gotta imagine some of these pokes hurt even with proper protective equipment
This is excellent and beautifully done... keep them coming, always excited for the next chapter!!!
Just in time for Christmas!
This is astonishing. Great work!
This might be one of the best videos I've ever seen. The editing and music track were excellent.
This is absolutely beautiful! The work of Fiore dei Liberi is truly a work of art.
This is the only group I see that consistently shows longsword plays with both speed, AND control. Very nice work, and very helpful for my own study of Fiore. Thank you.
Thank you so much for making these.
Super robota, nie mogę się doczekać kolejnej części.
Really appreciate you guys performing at the speed the technique needs with the proper attitude
Makes me really understand the importance of every part of the body from the grip to the wrists all the way down to the feet when it comes sword fighting.
Man this version of Ai Vis Lo Lop is fucking great
Your skills are beautiful and deadly at the same time. Deadly Art!
Just wanted to say I just found your channel, and can't thank you enough for creating these visual reenactments of HEMA techniques in practice, as it serves as excellent reference for some of the work I do. Definitely earned yourself another Subscriber, please keep up your great work.
This is phenomenal work! Great showing of the techniques, and good cinematography! Very well done!!!
Great work guys !!!!!
Thanks and great job like always !
God this is a good video. I remember it from years ago, and I am writing a scene, and needed a visual aid for the technique I was trying to describe, and it can be so hard to find clear and concise reference. Well shot, aggressively paced so it feels realistic, clear and distinct movement so you can parse the technique. It's got everything you need to really see the maneuvers on display. Thanks so much.
VERY well done. Love this.
Ai vist lo lop, lo rainard, lèbre
Ai vist lo lop, rainard dancar
Totei tres fasián lo torn de l'aubre
Fasián lo torn dau boisson folhat
Aqui triman tota l'annada
Pèr se ganhar quauquei soùs
Can I buy the soundtrack in this video?? I really love it!
Thanks!
Love your stuff! Inspires me on so many levels!
Excellent editing work. Congratulations!
and obviously, exquisite demonstration.
Very proud to be a friulano as Fiore "Furlano" dei Liberi was.
Great series of videos, indeed! Please make a full movie with the full story of Fiore. With your skills in cinematography and swords choreography it will be awesome!
I can't tell you the number of times I've watched this. Awesome!
I just keep coming back to this video. It's so awesome and on top of that really useful for learning the techniques
This stuff is soooooooooooooo satisfying to watch, good job guys.
That was fantastic!
So good!!! Truly excellent video
As always fantastic.
Brilliantly done...great video
Awesome demo thank you so much for all your research and training!
Great video, lots of great none two handed techniques that lead to disarm or single handed kills. I especially like the moves going to half sword during the parry.
you guys are amazing
i love seeing practitioners of a lost art
Bravo! Excellent! Well made and well executed.
You guys are awesome! We share the same passion, and it's a pleasure to see people that bring public the art of the sword in such good way.
dla mnie złoto...bo co tu dodać więcej...tak trzymać chłopaki!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep it up please! Love these.
This channel is one of the best findings ever!!!! Super good vids, extremely well produced and edited. Such an exquisite range of techniques,… wow!!! On top of everything it is a superb physical training in terms of stability, mobility, agility and endurance,..!!!!
Coolest historical fighting video on youtube, great work!
I discovered your channel with the Fior di Battaglia videos serie and I'm very pleased :)
the medieval guys would shed a proud tear, watching this
Truly inspirational! Great fencing!
Brilliant demonstrations. Inspiring.
This video is a really cool christmas present from you! :D
I hope to live closer to a historical fencing club one day, to try it myself...
Superb video! Besides the 'academic' purpose, there really is an interesting artistic dimension. Thank you for presenting your interpretation in such a polished way :) Can't wait for the next ones !
Gentlemen .. this is some gold stuff! A GREAT work!!
I find this really helpful as I'm pretty far from any place that teaches HEMA, let alone Fiore. That pommel strike at 2:33 was impressive. I flinched the first time I saw him recoil.
fantastico. Well done
Thank you...
Damn. Fiore was such a badass.
Gotta read more about and from him.
Thank you for these videos.
Will be be making more of them for other fencing masters of the time?
These videos are really well made
Two bruised sword thumbs up! Great job!
Amazing techniques and music
Fenomenalne to jest, Panowie!
Molto bene! Continuate così!
This is very good. I liked all of this moviments and the tecniques. Its wonderful! :D
Thanks a lot for showing us those tecnics
Rewelacyjne ujęcia, wielka dbałość o odwzorowanie techniki, czysta przyjemność oglądania. 😮
BADDASS awesome job!
Incredible !
Those disarms were awesome
Fantastic!
this is really cool, guys. I liked it.
Very impressive !
Du grand art !
Great close combat!
Your are a sword master! Amazing skills
fantastic!
your work is impressive!
Top quality video. If fiore had a camera he would have made this. Really hoping you guys make one for the dagger plays.
Wow, amazing
This is exquisite!
Nice one again! :)