He Pulled it Off?! - Spinning Attack & Dark Souls Roll
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- čas přidán 11. 05. 2021
- As skeptical as I generally am of fanciful moves like spinning / jumping / twirling in sword fights... you should always try to be open to consider evidence that contradicts your opinions. Here is an example that I didn't expect, from a Chinese armed martial arts event in 2018 called 勇士的榮耀 (apparently translates to "Glory of Warriors").
• 【CMA】中國傳統奇門兵器 鳳頭鉻 vs 雙...
One of the fighters used hook swords (AKA twin hooks) to perform some interesting maneuvers, including a successful spin and even Dark Souls style rolling. In this video I comment on a few scenes from the fight and and discuss why it worked, and how it might have gone wrong in real historical combat.
Also talking a bit about the role of skill and athleticism in HEMA and other forms of sword sparring.
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#swordsman #chinese #martialarts - Zábava
"If you are the best swordsman, do not fear the second best swordsman; you must fear the worst swordsman, for you have no idea what they are going to do."
- Sun Tzu
if you don't know what your opponent is going to do then maybe you aren't that good of a swordsman, and it's the opposite way around.
The whole point of sword fighting is to not let your opponent know your next moves to begin with
@@veryveryhonestpendufan6062 okay, to disprove your point I'll bring up something very unrelated at first glance but actually a nice comparison:
Poker. This game it's 99% of trying to predict and understand everything your opponent does. But! Good and even the best poker players say that bad or even newbies in poker are actually very damn tedious and unpredictable to play against, because they don't follow any logic and order besides "hmmm, this sounds cool". Yes, they usually win, but it's very damn annoying and stressful for someone who's entire carrier is about predicting the opponent.
Pretty much the same with sword fighting if we take your " It's all about prediction " Point
@@shawermus Again, As you said , poker is 99% of the time trying to know you opponents next move or predict whatever they are going to do.
So someone unpredictable wouldn't be a noob as those "best poker player" claim.
That's the whole purpose of the game, being unpredictable, cause your opponent will be working to predict what you are going to do, so this is the other way around the most unpredictable ones should be called the pros.
To win at poker, you need to be unpredictable, the true best of the best have mastered that.
Other than sword fighting and poker are totally not the same there's no sense in comparing them.
That's a bad comparison
@@veryveryhonestpendufan6062 okay, I'd argue but after like 99 times I understood that comment section arguing always ends in infinite loops of misunderstanding until someone surrenders
"If you don't know what you're doing, neither does the enemy"
Problem is the enemy knows what they are doing
That’s my strategy both in chess and Dagorhir
“Flail wildly and uncontrollably, if you’re confused so too will your opponent!” Is my horrifically unsuccessful strategy. It’s never once worked, but I’m keeping at it.
@@SentinalSlice does it ever work in chess?
Who said that, Sun Woo?
I can tell he's under 25% equip load
That's, thank you for the reference
Imagine his opponent just pulls out some sorceryXD
Imagine he got below 15% he coulda done a cartwheel
@@MakshotMP4 what game is it referencing
@@matt25675 Dark souls, dark souls 1 specifically
You: Spend decades mastering the blade
The guy she tells you not to worry about: Starts spinning and rolling with his double "Rivers of blood" katanas
They should have added hook blades to elden ring
@@gerbilkill it could've had a sick crit
@tsb4576 indeed sir. Till then we will stick to the moonviel
With these blades, I summon the wrath of ares and sentence you to d3eath
this is obviously jet from avatar
This man is duel welding, rolling, spinning, and everything I've been told what NOT to do, and he's doing it pretty well-
Wielding*
Yeah ik it's pretty cool :D
@@xomvoid_akaluchiru_987 Wielding** 😂
@@AP-te6mk lol ikr, the guys failed the spelling and the correction
There is no _w r o n g_ way to play, but definitely don't dual-wield two _heavy weapons_ . Weapons from the Estoc down to the Mail-Breaker have a parrying move when in the left hand, giving a weight advantage over the heavier shields. (I also dont recomend shields, as they are cheesy and seem to have a nack in destroying controller buttons)
Rolling is a great strategy to avoid larger enemies with big swinging attacks. However, wearing pretty much any medium weight armor with make your rolls progressively slower. I recommend Havels Ring and the ALL HOLY Ring of Favor and Protection to increase your equip load as much as possible to wear heavier armor items. While Armor doesn't have as much of an impact as your weapons, it is always nice to have that little bit more damage resistance going into a large battle.
I have no idea what you mean by spinning though
MMA has been filled with extremely counterintuitive and creative attacks. I’m not surprised HEMA is doing the same
Ganking is the most historically accurate move in dark souls
This needs to be pinned.
historical paintings of four guys walking with arms wide open towards one guy
HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
@@areallybigdwarf4560 historical painting of "A connection error occured."
I wanna see a dude do some work with a murakumo
The style is big on fear factor/unpreparedness, the blue swordsman has very clearly never fought a dual-wielding, rolling, spinning hook sword wielder which puts him at a disadvantage.
can anyone here say we really have though?
@@thecookiemeister5374 the blue swordsman can, after this
@@phoenixwithahalfofdragon936 true enough!
This is literally how General Grievous was meant to take down combat-trained space wizards, I love it
@@palecaptainwolfkayls8499 it's hilarious when a show fighter/actor/exhibition guy accidentally runs into the real thing. All of that swinging and flash can intimidate someone, it shows they have some technical skill, that doesn't mean they can fight.
That stance at 4:00 is called a "die bu", 蝶步, or single leg butterfly stance. And it's basically used for every super hero landing. :)
Also known as "dragon's den"
Is this a wushu stance because I’ve done northern Shaolin for a while but I’ve never heard of this stance before. Seems very interesting
@@amogussussus7277 it is, but it is mainly used in southern styles or modern taolu performances.
Samurai battles must have been crazy bad ass looking in real
@@Bee-tj8gc This is Chinese martial arts, not Japanese
The Dark Souls roll wasn't believable, someone with a giant club didn't appear out of nowhere and slam him into the ground.
someone only in rags"
He didn't get roll-caught by the white phantom with a Claymore either
He also didn't get CSS'd by some random mage
The host didn’t die randomly
Ay yo.. cool photo profile
“Spinning is useless in practical combat!”
Obi-wan Kenobi “Only a Sith deals in absolutes.”
anikan skywalker: I try spinning that is a good trick *gets cut in half*
@@marcopeter7581 He really though he could do a Kenobi and defeat someone on the high ground? 😂
Fun fact: "Only a Sith deals in absolutes" is an absolute.
@@spamspasm8183 it's an absolute statement, but is it "dealing" in an absolute? Slight difference.
Speaking if obi wan Kenobi, During that fight he does a couple of spins. And for at least one of them, I think I got a justification (other than it looking cool and not utterly terrible, which is reason enough).
So, he's walking backwards as Anakin attacks him. He doesn't Know what's behind him, and the terrain is potential not there or blocked. So, by spinning, he gains a view of the terrain, and can thus continue retreating without fear of getting fecked by something he couldn't see.
This guy is actually really smart. The duel wielding and athleticism + lighter armour than full steel really works in his favour for all these moves. Being able to move REALLY fast before the enemy can go "oh he's spinning like an idiot quick quick stab him" he knocks the sword to the side and hits him. Its actually genius if you think about it. Hes using everything to his advantage. The unpredictability, the duel wielding, athleticism, light armour etc is all planned and its amazing.
@@bellsando6506 They generally don't.
There's a reason you never find this in any manuscripts or full studies of combat.
It's highly risky, there's a lot of inefficient movement in it leading to wasted energy, you're making yourself incredibly exposed if it doesn't work, you're effectively betting on being faster and more agile and to take your opponent off-guard, that you can make your movements so well that it pushes through all of the dangers and risks involved.
This makes what that man did all the more impressive.
Your comment is very on point. The hook swords, in history, are meant to be wielded by light-armored or even no-armor infantry. The weapon aggressively emphasizes dexterity and efficiency instead of self-defense.
Modern day Musashi
bro is playing actual dark souls
Weakest dex build
What Skallagrim stopped short of saying is that is that if you have that much skill and athleticism over your opponent, there are probably much less risky ways of winning.
He was clearly trying to counter the sword meta, his opponent is prob trained in orthordox fencing or chinese sword fighting which is rigid. Using weapons that can catch blades and deflect them while moving around quickly gets him much more hits and a higher score.
Where's the fun in that?
😂😂
Ur not asian u just cant
A flexible bamboo can survive storms better than a rigid tree.
"There is no risk too great when it comes to just absolutely styling on your enemy." - Sun Tzu
It should say 'probably' at the end very funny though
Facts
I dab on the corpses of my enemies - Genghis khan
true story
Devil May Cry moment
I think the guy in blue just wanted to do something cool after red pulled off the spin XD
he tried to surprise red by extending the range of his attack, it could work but his edge alignment was bad
This kind of event looks more like pro wrestling to me. Not that thats a bad thing but it looks very showy on purpose to maximize viewership.
Probably
Um... red did the dive roll.
Yup. I also sense too much anime influence.
Hook Swords are SO UNDERATED. Legit some of the most practically versatile weapons ever invented, and no one really uses or trains against them. Obviously, some people do (as shown here) but for the most part I feel like they're kind of a hidden gem. Hell, even Skall was pleasantly surprised at the display of using them as a polearm.
Ikr they can trap a weopen and potentially disarm your foe. Very versatile indeed.
I've trained with them some and they are fantastic weapons, but the main flaw is a lack of good and safe ways to stow and draw the weapons. One of the biggest issues I've had, when training live steal, is picking them up or putting them down in the field without accidentally cutting myself or damaging the blade. Now, maybe TCMA have ways to deal with this, that is not my background.
@@creepypuppetspresents5605 Alot of people don't train with them for thar very reason. As versatile as they are they are just as dangerous to the user as they are the opponent, especially in more advanced techniques that require more athletiism or dexterity. Something that you'd have to seriously condition for. But that would make perfect sense for monks and the like as the train their whole lives to use such weapons
Wouldn't a sickle be a good somehowmakedowithwhatyouhave version of hookswords?
Preface: I've got no sword training so I might be completely wrong, but my reasoning seems sound to me.
I wouldn't say more options, just different ones, while also being far more problematic. Like you can hook their weapon, but you can also lose yours if it gets hooked in armor+clothes+flesh+bones. Take that spinny torso hit for example. You manage to get the spike between their ribs, and yeah it'll probably kill your opponent eventually, but it'll get stuck in there and when you continue your spin it's going to fly out of your hand and ruin your spin. Or what if you don't pierce the flesh at all, but instead a few bunched up layers of clothes, now you can either lose your weapon or stand there tugging while they chop you to pieces.
Also, you lose significantly on slashing and piercing. The hook restricts your piercing depth, and you risk getting it entangled. Slashing is going to be even worse. Compare a normal sword slash where you can follow through and pretty much instantly be ready to strike again, to a hook sword which is going to cut a bit and then impale your opponent with the hook, forcing you to fuck around trying to get it out while he and his friends are swinging at your head.
And as others have said, you can't sheath them so it's pretty much useless in both civilian and military scenarios.
Compare that mess to wielding a rapier and a parrying dagger in civilian scenarios. You sacrifice a large portion of that hooking power, but you get a far better and safer sword for killing unarmored opponents, and you can carry it around without looking like a madman getting ready to kill everyone around you. And if you're going to war, a sword and board will actually give you a reasonable chance to come back home without prohibiting you from using a lot of the techniques you trained (you're not going to fly around, twirling and rolling in the middle of a battle and survive).
There's a reason why it's only present in Chinese martial arts where the goal is to look cool while you're jumping around and twirling on your own, instead of safely and efficiently killing your enemies. European smiths definitely had the idea and technology to add hooks and spikes to weapons, but you don't see it on swords since it's a shit idea.
I've always referred to moves like these as flourishing attacks. With well trained ability, they can often catch someone more traditionally trained off guard. It's unexpected and an immediate counter is often missed. It falls into the risk reward category. While it should never be a go to move, when timed and applied right, it could change or even end the fight.
Use it at the wrong time or against the wrong opponent, it can still end the fight. Just in the opponent's favor.
exactly like in mma. you don't just go and pull a spinning backfist as soon as the match starts and you take distance with ur opponent. you gotta set it up.
This is a good example of "to pull off an unconventional move you need to be able to present a constant, real conventional threat".
That's probably a good way of putting it yes. You have to be good already to be able to perform these kind of "special moves" and expect them to work as intended.
@@DIREWOLFx75 - Yeah these fighters (likely the whole league or association) are definitely at a high skill level. At least from my perspective as someone with no experience whatsoever.
20 percent of your moves the basics should be 80 percent of your hits or wins like basic punches in boxing. Once you have the basics, to beat someone that your top basic moves are not working on then using the unexpected and unconventional moves can be what makes the win or a difference.
I like that. True in any fight
This also becomes more effective if you can catch them by surprise which means you can't do it alot or they will expect you to try to bullshit them in some way.
Athleticism definitely plays a large part. For example, if I tried the roll maneuver this man tried, I would of landed on my head, then proceeded to hit myself in the nuts with my own swords.
HAHAHAHHA
Made sure you're filming when you do this and post it... I wanna see!
when you think you're the chosen undead but you remember you're in your mid 30s and haven't done anything crazy in the last 10 years mid fatroll.
Oh yeah, the Lizzy Tagliani move
😬
I've seen the hookblades a lot in games and a few times in movies, but i never thought i'd actually get to see a "real" wielder showing them off in practice! It's extremely cool to see!
Well this guy is using less HEMA tactics and seems to be more focusing on a more Shaolin style of armed fighting, a lot of their stuff is very acrobatic and explosive movements
Now that you mention it. I haven't really seen an analysis of the validity of these chinese armed fighting styles
@@KunjaBihariKrishna I think there are some people out there who reviewed it. Overall there is some strong basis in Chinese armed styles in a practical setting, but the extra spins and flourishes you tend to see tend to be mostly reserved for performances or exercises for building other things such as flexibility, dexterity, control, or precision. Perhaps in a 1v1 setting it might work, but on the battlefield not so much.
@@KunjaBihariKrishna it’s definitely much harder to get it right but it can be effective
@@coolyeh1017 agreed
@@coolyeh1017 I suppose we could argue that historically, an army needed a reliable way to "show its strength". So if a government official visited, or there was a need to display military strength, you would have your fighters do things that are visually impressive. So maybe now it's not so clear anymore how much of those moves are the "demo version".
As a Chinese swordsmanship practitioner, I know some of the background here. The red one is called "MoJun". It is not his real name, I do not know his real name, but this name is recognized the Chinese swordmanship community; the meaning is "evil lord" or "evil gentleman" depends on your interpretation on "Jun". The name of blue one is Minjun, Cui who is a student of Mojun. So you know the situation here is same as many stories in Chinese martial art matches: Master fights his student. This mathch is pretty much designed for demonstration of Mojun's fancy weapon techniques. I do not know if there is arrangement on this match or not, but this fact redueces the credibility of this match as a real high intensive ,full resistant combat. Also Mojun has mentioned that the weapon he uses is not a hook sword, it is a "Feng tou ge"(凤头铬, I do not have a good translation). Unlike hook sword which has a hook at its frondend, Fengtouge has a pointy perpendicular chisel which can peck into opponent when swing it. This makes Fengtouge's usage forcues more on striking rather than hooking.
Yeah i recognizes the swords not really shaped like a hook rather it looks like a sword with a pick
Great knowledge
The description made it clear that it's more of a demonstration for some of the more unconventional techniques. It's an exhibition match if u will
@@AlifyaNursukmaForicha 👍very detailed
@@gavinlee6196 Yeah, but you can clearly see some tendency on judgement. Even not very fair for a exhibition mathc.
If it looks stupid but it works, it isn't stupid - Murphy's Rules of Combat.
Based.
If it looks stupid but it works, you got lucky and it was still stupid.
@@Vanastar well that's like denying that if you enjoyed the time you spent then it's not wasted i mean obviously everything is absolutely subjective and relative and nothing is objectively true so if it works it works and there's no reason to try arguing with that i mean if you win ww3 throwing rocks at people obviously nobody will look up to you and switch to rocks but it will work for you so it's definitely not stupid cuz again objectivity is an illusion
@@Vanastar The enemy only has to get lucky once. Let that sink in a minute.
People are stupid and we still work 💪makes sense!
When everyone is so concerned with fighting the "normal" way, of course the "weird" way can become an effective surprise. Your opponent doesn't expect you to do something that potentially puts your life at risk so suddenly.
It's because yes spins and flashy moves aren't taught because while learning you're not learning to be cool you're learning to fight, but a line I heard in a movie was, "I thought you said one should never switch sword hands?, "yes you shouldn't switch but once you've mastered the way of fighting and you've beaten me you won't be taking orders from me and adapt your own fighting style" so yes spins and jumping moves aren't recommended but once you've mastered your art you create moves and adapt to opponents to win, like in a real fight you don't expect spinning roadhouse kicks to land but you get someone who's really good and knows what he's doing to land the hits that normally wouldn't, so no move is useless it just depends on who's behind the move that determines its usefulness, like reverse gripping swords its almost non existent in usefulness until one day you do get someone who is good at reverse grip and actually knows how to apply it they way it's supposed to be
Reverse grip is a defensive form
This is why Ashoka Tano in starwars does this
I think the general issue is that conventional moves are so because they are the correct option most of the time (which is why they're worth teaching) while non-conventional/athletic moves/styles often need to be practiced even more that more conventional moves if they are to be useful - taking time from training things you are far more likely to use/need. If you're training for the 1/10 times when such moves will clean sweep a fight you'll loose the other 9 to people who spent their time more wisely, which is why their use is generally condemned even if it looks badass and sometimes works.
@@greywolf9783 It's a terrible defensive form considering you cannot counter. (Also don't use starwars as a reference: it's very inccurate.)
i think all skills are like this tbh. like in art youre taught the basics of anatomy, form, and color before you can really develop your own personal style. once you fully understand the basic rules of a skill, youre able to "break" them correctly. breaking rules without mastery of the basics just makes you come across as amateur, and easily countered in the case of fighting. basics are just the foundation that keep your skill from toppling over, once you have them mastered you can keep building on top of them
It feels like there is a gentleman's agreement to not punish a super cool move that misses
To be honest, thats kind of the crux of the whole thing. When it comes to gauging the realism and practicality of something involving a deadly competition... being a fight with pads and fake swords already nullifies any "findings" imo. Its like the video game effect, using Battlefield as an example... where you can't really draw any comparisons of the game to the real world scenario of a war, because 9/10 the team is committing to actions you know they didnt/wouldnt do in real war, out of fear of losing their life, being demoted, being kicked out of the military, or being imprisoned for war crimes, etc. You got players stealing jeeps and just running them on to the field, trying to run people over for kills, suicide jeep runs EVERYWHERE, people running into well fortified bunkers just hoping to kill at least 2 guys, being gung ho or akimbo. If there was fear of real death in those games, players would obviously be way more conservative in their approach and technique. You might be able to argue "fear of losing money" for tournaments, but even then, its still not quite the same as fearing you'll lose your life.
This "fight" doesnt really prove the practicality of that roll slash, because as you could clearly see, he completely lost his footing, and should your opponent actually be inclined to kill you for such a mistake, you would be done for. No one would perform this maneuver in a REAL sword fight, because its too risky with a high chance of missing, messing up, and/or leaving you vulnerable.
@@alexbishop5004 I wouldn't say no one would try it. But practically, the swordsman would try to do everything to the hookboy to ensure his footing is not regained, then capitalize on the advantage.
@@alexbishop5004 Well I think he lost his footing mostly because he ran out of space and kind of ran into the edge of the ring, but overall you make some very good points
@@alexbishop5004 But strapping C4s to a bike and running it against a tank is an effective strategy!
@@alexbishop5004 you must be really fun at parties. :v
Honestly, this type of thing reminds me of the idiom "Know the rules before you break them." These seem to be extremely skilled fighters, who know when they can afford to deviate from the standard wisdom because of their experience letting them know the actual rules of fighting, not the simplified version of the rules you need to learn in order to get a chance to get enough experience to learn the actual rules.
Also adds to the unpredictable. If the opponent knows spinning is silly, he will be caught by surprise when an opponent tries it.
It's like playing ranked games and casual games. Usually the casual opponents are much more unpredictable and ridiculous, you don't expect it. In ranked, everyone's doing META so it's easily predictable.
A contemporary dance teacher that I know always said that if you want to break the square, you need to learn the square, because how can you break something if you don't know how it works.
@@Awootistic Recruit rush? Lol
Also use of unequal props. The hookblades are of a much firmer polymer compared to the weebstick which at multiple points in the video bent heavily out of shape in situations even a regular vinyl or MDI sprayed prop wouldnt.
This man memorized all the attack patterns
The hocked swords are extremely deadly. The ability to hock your enemy's sword downwards while striking with the other.
Pretty crazy how you can almost envision it like a fighting game when you go through the frames individually.
"Oh that's a 10 frame poke"
"That's a 21 frame hell sweep"
That's launch punishable!
Shoutouts to George St-Pierre for using frame data in his UFC fights. Quoting from an EventHubs article:
"I had a guy when I was training, when I was champion during my Welterweight run," St-Pierre starts. "I had a guy who was measuring frames. Nobody knows that. He was watching [the] fight and was making frames with an image."
He explains that his trainer would count each frame of a fighter's punch, and collecting this data determined how fast their reaction time was.
Especially cuz of the kabal weapons it makes is seem like real MortalKombat
@@_Snowflame as someone who doesn't know much about martial arts but has played fighting games, I would have thought this was the norm
"Guaranteed wakeup"
In high school I fenced an adult much better than me. I was lunging like crazy and leaping back out of range. I just didn't have his blade skills. I lost 4-6 but he was laughing impressed saying 'this kid will do anything to get to me'. So I agree, skill is better. But being athletic really helps.
Personally, I prefer the fleche to the lunge, but that's an opinion. I likely would've lost too.
I have a supporting experience, I competed in a Karate Tournament when I was 14, there were 24 of us, 18 were brown/black belts, I was a green belt. Watching these guys warm up, I knew I had no chance if I made it about any kind of technique. But I was a good athlete (hockey player) so I decided to just "charge" when a moment was opportune- and turn everything into a close range hand speed thing... I won 2 matches that way, made it the final 8, and then met the black belt who evenutally made it to the final. He just whomped me every time I tried to rapidly close my distance... But I turned a few heads... sometimes your approach works...
@@andrewlove1971 Hockey player? So you were basically a teenage Hulk, but hopefully not green. Who knew how to get hit in the face. And just talking to you I suspect fast. I am almost surprised there was a black belt that could beat you. But there is always someone.
@@andrewlove1971 Athleticism really helps. It's not like the Varsity fencing I did where sure you had to be fast but skill was paramount. I got totally creamed by an Olympic fencer when I was in great shape. Well 5-2 is maybe not creamed but my opponent demanded the ref reverse one of those points and award it to me, saying 'did you not see where he tagged my sword arm shoulder before I landed?" He was telling the truth, but the point is fencers are some of the most honorable athletes. It was an angles thing. I was fighting left handed but I went to the side of the strip exposing his right shoulder. This is why 'The Princess Bride' cracks fencers up so much because you really can mess someone up by using your your blade in your off hand.
That's what I did in Judo. My senior were kicking my ass, then I suddenly pull some bs make shift trip I invented myself, the dude was like WTF, and we ended up both felt LOL, but hey, that's the only time I manage to trip him at the cost of falling myself of course
These “while the counter hit might be just as fatal” arguments are exactly the kind of questions the Roman’s must have *hated*
Wait why the Romans? Those guys had massive shields and some of the best armour for their age explicitly *because* it meant the enemy had a hard time hitting back.
The spinning attack he actualy jumped and spun in th or landing flawlessly into a spinning knee. Quite beautiful.
"I'll try spinning, that's a good move" -Red, probably
I don’t even know you and yet I’m immensely proud of you for that reference.
“SPIN MOVE!” Would’ve been the next best choice.
(Dwight K. Schrute)
Good, Anakin, Good!
blue starts looking for high ground real bloody fast
@@JustintheJustin Or from HLVRAI's Gordon Freeman.
Fighting unconventional, if done expertly, quickly, and having been practiced rather than just being a hail mary, is one of my favorite things to watch
Conversely: pulling a hail mary and actually coming out successfully is probably hilarious to the person doing it
you’re gonna love german longsword - a system of moves that exploit weaknesses in other swordsmanship styles- they call these moves masterstrokes for a reason
i hate to tell you guys this, but watch crouching tiger hidden dragon all you want, it was the romans that took over everything, with little stabby swords and massive shields.
@@calhackit9806 true, but it was in big fields, not guerilla warfare
@@exotixzamateurva8957 you dont need to cut someone in half to kill them.
wouldn't a full length rapier just win in this duel situation?
Thank you very much for doing your due diligence and putting the link to the original video in your description I wish more people would do this
Dude's got skills! Really interesting breakdown, I love the slow motion replay with commentary.
Guy with the hookswords didn't only pull off a dark souls roll, he used his swords as a bloodborne trick weapon
Literally the Rakuyo. He clearly invested a lot of blood echoes into his skill stat.
omg you're RIGHT, hook sword dual weapons need to be in a Bloodborne sequel or elden ring
Somebody stop me if i'm wrong, but i think thats an actual technique
Everyone is gangsta until the opponent press L1 IRL
@@Chamadzero My controller is vibrating irl.
No matter how it's analyzed, you can't deny that first spin attack from red looked fucking sick. Not to mention when he full-on Darth Mauled the hook blades
dude keeps saying shit like oh would it incapacitate him? maybe maybe not though. like..dude go ask someone to hit you with their fist in the stomach and i bet you fall down.
@Benjamin Guilatco best thing as to why I think it worked is because he started the spin high and then went low at the end
@@aaronl9958 swords maintain their momentum even if you get stabbed.
@@aaronl9958 have you ever been in a fight? A cut on the arm won't stop you. When you feel your life is on the line your full of adrenaline and feel no pain
@@xXXdaniel210xXx my guy his fucking guts would have been hanging out...
and yes. ive been in many fights. more times and more of a fight than anyone watching this video.
The thing about that spin attack with the hook blade is the torso strike was tip first and would likely tear or eviscerate on the way out and if its not a clean cut I'm guessing it would have likely yanked the swordsman off to the side throwing off balance, making him fall something like that, so it probably in a real fight would have been a lot more of a win than in a fight like this
I AM LOVING YOUR ASTHETIC!! it literally feels like I'm learning from a real tutor who also looks like the best trainer in any rpg
This is how i imagine gladiatorial combat, martially sound but intentionally flashy
Desperation sometimes looks flashy
You probably described Chinese martial arts perfectly though
I guess oriental martial arts mostly work out due to both side learning the same thing... actually makes sense how some random vagabond manages to beat masters in some films xD
@@IETass modern historical Chinese MA are mostly a revival of historical show combat. It was very popular and extensively practiced since XVIII century (think travelling showmen in the street and sport for nobility). At some point actual martial arts were pretty much gone with the exception of these show fights with floppy swords* and pointless over the top movements and exercise/tradition kind of thing (way before Mao's era in which communists first killed every martial artist they could and then decided to promote martial arts as sport kekw).
*I recall a mention about proper non-floppy weaponry even being banned at some point (active troops being the exception) but I'd be hard pressed to find it so I'm only mentioning it as a sidenote
@@Sk0lzky are you mostly referring to wushu here?
I kept waiting for the crazy move where they put the hooks together and swing one from the other in a giant circle like an absolute madman.
@Zamasu Arkane I've never been a fan of fighting games because my reaction time is terrible and I can't remember combos, so I've only seen people do it IRL; but if I remember right, they were actual shaolin monks. There's another crazy move from shaolin with a staff, where you're literally just hanging off the thing. The highest levels of martial arts are extremely impressive.
@M Aditya Permana it has more to do with the shape of the hook than the material. I know there's different names for different variations, and a lot of them are used differently, but I don't know what the actual names are. Basically, the one he's using has more of a spike than a hook, and its easier to do the crazy swing move with a more pronounced hook, that ends facing closer to the grip side than straight out.
It’s not hard to do it. Because of the hooks are pretty deep, centripetal force will hold it in place and you literately double the length of you weapon. Heavier/sturdier weapons would help.
However, the tricky parts are: how to retrieve it quickly, without cutting yourself? Because this is not the setup you can really fight for a long time with. And what if someone parry one or the other sword, will one sword fly away or swing back and hit you in the face? This trick probably works best as a finishing move when opponent tries to back away from your range.
This move is called 连锁(chain). The hook sword in the video can't do it. The hook sword must be curved.
I remember that being in Crouching Tiger, hehe.
Roll dodging? ✓
Switching hookblades into twinblades like a bloodborne trick weapon? ✓
Spinning all over the place? ✓
Jump attacks? ✓
My man is playing dark souls irl and im all for it, his roll probably even has Iframes.
Happy that I found this channel. Really happy.
We'll slowly realize that reality is crazier than fiction.
At some point we'll say "at least fiction has to make some sense"
I mean it was a demonstration so, i dunno
@@spinosaurusstriker only the last bit was a demonstration. the beginning seem to be a real match
@@spinosaurusstriker We also gotta remember. Most of us work 8 hour jobs and is surrounded by entertainment. Someone who was trained since childhood has a lot of potential. I bet samurai duels were masterful between legends that aren't named.
I recommend you look up MadJack Churchill. He is a great example of reality being crazier than fiction. He is essentially Captain America but without the enhancements and is even crazier. Instead of fighting Nazis with an advanced shield, je fought with am ordinary sword and bow, and he managed to kick ass. His life even reads like a crazy action movie.
Yea reality can be fucky. I learned that years ago
The advantage with spinning techniques is that the opponent, even if victorious, will end up looking bad.
"I know he died from a backstab, but I swear I did not do anything dishonorable, he just tried this weird spin thing."
"Uh-huh, ok, Philip, whatever you say."
so, you're saying your enemy are kind of morally obligated to let you finish the spin?
Underrated comment
@@alvinreinaldy5148
Unless in literal real war.
@@redblade5556 well of course, fuck honors in wars. nobody can prove your war crimes if they're dead
@@alvinreinaldy5148 "All war crimes are based" - Sun Tsu
I grew up watching ur videos nice to see u still around
Whoa what a move!
Thanks skall, this was fun
First acepting katanas now fancy moves
Slowly but contantly Skall embraces the weebness
Katanas were always good
Skall: "Today I am going to demonstrate the quality of this new weeb body pillow. As you can see, it's quite large and pink so.."
@@Spiceodog he didn´t like them some years ago
@@Spiceodog
Authentic katanas aren't terrible, but they are objectively worse weapon than an authentic european longsword (two handed sword). Maybe even worse than an arming sword.
@@Gyvulys but you can’t deflect bullets with a long sword.
For that spin move, if the hook lands and pierces into the swordsman, the follow through could pull the swordsman to the ground instead of leaving him standing.
Yeah, it seem like it hit between the rip or through a rib, that shit would hurt like a bitch. Not deep enough to hit a internal organ through, but it depends.
true2x
While also shredding the lung it hits...a collapsed lung is the end of the fight
I just said something similar, I think the fighters recognize this and is why the action stopped at that point
The issue is where he is, his opponent is way more stuctured
Knowingly watching this again a year later? Reminder the deep gorgeous feeling... Priceless. So fun, ty
If any of you are looking for that channel of the video, it's "Glory of Heroes勇士的荣耀"
Sadly most of the latest videos are Kick Boxer
Red set the move up, after the first attack of flurry strikes. Blue retreated in a straight line and defending his centerline with small fast movements. Red switched the timing with longer strikes that took up a longer distance, blue didn’t have an answer for that so he got caught.
All sports are situational, you create an opportunity to make the technique work.
I do this all the time in my basketball league. Either on offense or defense. I will fake going for a steal to make the ball handler change hands or crossover and I will time that with my actual steal attempt.
Good point on the situational aspect of sports. In life or death fighting, red probably wouldn't have pulled the spin move. But he understands he is in a sport, not a fight to the death. In the context of the situation, the move was excellent.
high quality HEMA and Eastern Weapon sports will hopefully soon get as popular as mainstream MMA, but even if they don't this kind of competition will actually push what is possible and perhaps help develop some very flashy and interesting styles in a rules based system where you only have to fear losing and getting hurt, not getting murdered by the other guy.
The off direction R1 into roll catch…
@bastiat competitive level fighters that's who. Once you train skills to proficient levels, certain parts of those skills become reflexive, freeing the mind to ponder strategy and actually feel like they are slowing time becuase they have seen certain movements so many times they can instinctually visualize and react to those movements faster than they can be executed. There is a massive difference between a realm of rules/hierarchy and survival/anarchy, and we aren't discussing that sort of thing what so ever....though the same exact skills would translate, but those with more experience in life and death fighting would have the massive reactionary advantage all other skills being equal. If you were correct, then the art of Fencing is a sham and you would think those fighters aren't thinking while they compete...is that what you are saying? Are you saying that I am not thinking and reacting to my opponent while in the middle of practice duels? Please tell me you aren't actually this obtuse.
13:47 Even if the swordfighter managed to get to him, the i-frames from the roll would have protected the guy with the hook swords :P
Just use a command grab smh
He really has to watch out for that lag stab though. He was wide open.
@@yeyo1019 the sword guy should just execute a forward roll of his own to the back of red and backstab him. Noobs
This is a great explanation of the difference between maneuvers that work in a fight versus maneuvers that only work if they end the fight. That spinning slash combo not being a mid-fight maneuver.
Great find, thx for sharing with us.
Blue was probably like: What? We throwin spinning sh|t now?
Let me get this straight: You comment something that is unrelated to the fact that I have two DANGEROUSLY DASHING girlfriends? Considering that I am the unprettiest CZcamsr ever, having two hot girlfriends is really incredible. Yet you did not mention that at all. I am quite disappointed, dear lo4
@@AxxLAfriku Low quality bait, 0/10.
@@buitenaards low quality? They weren't even trying.
Diaz reference?
Nick Diaz
"Try spinning, it's a good trick" - Sun Tzu (probably)
Nah, pretty sure that was Hannibal
@@yogsothoth915 really I thought ghandi said that
It was actually one of Hannibal's elephants who said that just before falling off the Italian Alps.
Don't try it anikin - obi wan probably
No Kojiro Sasaki said that
On that first one he was actually perfectly set up for a front right shoulder roll where he would have easily dodged that possible blow to the head
thx u for the source credit so i can find more about their stuff ❤
What you said about afterblows made me think of something an instructor once said to me.
"There are three general outcomes to a fight: 1) you kill me, 2) I kill you, and 3) we kill each other. Two of those are bad for me, so I'd rather avoid a fight if I can."
Obviously, there's some stuff between each of those, but I think the point still stands :P
The first step of a fight is "don't". If step 1 can't be fulfilled, fight until it can.
That idea ties into something that bugs me about medieval battle scenes in movies. There are rarely any tactics or formations (or spears! where are the spears??). Everyone just runs at each other and pairs off into duels, but this is completely ridiculous because it ignores the fact that people don't want to die. There would be formations, and soldiers would be using weapons that put some distance between themselves and the enemy. I think the only movie that came close to any kind of accuracy in this regard was Alexander. Too bad it's kind of a boring movie, but there are some pretty decent battle scenes.
@@choronos Man so true! I would love to see some realistic fighting scenes!!!
@@bartimaus8738 Hopefully there's a director out there with a vision working on such a thing right now. Have you seen Master and Commander? It's the most immersive period movie I've ever seen. It's not medieval of course, it's about a fictional early 19th century British naval captain, but its existence gives me hope that someone will try to make a historically accurate film about the medieval period. If I ever become a filmmaker as is my dream, I'll try to make it happen. I'd like to do a film about the Crusades, or perhaps the Viking Age.
choronos master and commander is a great example of immersive history and that showed in the combat as well which was generally ugly, bloody and convincing. Best medieval historically accurate battle examples and tactics in historical fiction would be Saxon tales series by Bernard cornwell. Particularly front line shield wall combat so check that out and season 1 and 2 of Vikings had some great looking shield wall/ melee fight Scenes What I wanna see is the power of medieval heavy Calvary charge and really show how devastating it could be for those defending against it.
It reminds me of the spinning backfist in MMA... it seems unrealistic but if pulled of correctly its extremely effective and unexpected.
Yep. Reminds me also of that one video I saw with a capoeira guy in an MMA ring. You could call capoeira a load of spinny nonsence too, but he knocked out his opponent in about ten seconds flat. XD I think the opponent was even trying to block, but there was just way too much momentum behind that kick.
@@Regina316 spinning nonsense? i thought so as well lol, but capoeira was developed as a self defense combat style, it was designed by slaves to beat the shit out of authorities and alike so they wouldn't go back to the farms, if i remember correctly it was even used in a rebellion or two here in brazil.
Yeah, at this point spinning attacks are basically bread and butter in MMA at the elite level.
The difference is that after spinning backfist nobody will cut off Your head.
I've always found that is a terrible move in a fight UNLESS you somehow find yourself already in the spin inadvertently. Works for a recovery when you just found your back turned to your opponent, if you can think fast. But it's not practical as an intentional move.
Great video Skallagrim!
Dude, great analysis.
Most people forget what Vesemir said: always parry after spin. It may be shity advice but it is better than flailing
The only techniques I apply to my every day modern swordsmanship come from fictional characters. I haven’t lost a LARP yet
@@stevebean1234 Sorry, but I just imagined you wielding 3 swords at once and spinning rapidly.
@@Tastingo117 bruh watch he pull out 8 swords
But spin attacks don't exist and never happened.
@@lucascoval828 oh they do exist. And they are perfect way to score hit. Only problem is, that the point is easy to get for opponent. Not user.
This the guy kind of guy who catches the Pommel when you throw it at him
Bravo
Undefeatable
@donflamingo795
Rich Evans?
For honor executions
godzilla had a stroke trying to read this and fucking died
This sparked something left dormant in me, I almost bought a sword or two.
I know literally nothing about sword fighting, but this was really interesting to watch and learn about.
Skallagrim gives the OK to spinning attacks and rolling in combat...
Next episode: DemolitionRanch collab about how holding guns sideways helps your accuracy.
Sideways holographic dotsights??...it's here boay!!👍🏾
Naruto running makes you faster
@@Pontif11 doesn't it? 🤔
@@visionaeon only if you direct your chakra to your legs first
Shooting with your gun sideways can actually be a valid technique. A lot of people have "offset" iron sights, where they're mounted at a 45 degree angle. That lets you switch from optics to iron sights very quickly by just rotating the rifle.
As some guy said in some book:
"The Best Swordfighter will never be afraid of the second best Swordfighter, as he knows all what he will do. But the Amateur on the other hand might have a chance by pulling off something completly unpredictable as he doesnt know the rules."
There's a similarly famous saying that I can't quite remember that essentially went something like "An untrained man with a blade can be just as dangerous as a well trained man with a blade". The meaning is more or less saying that the untrained man's unpredictability can get even a well trained person killed.
@@doctorhunger921
Yes. Uncontrolled, repeated flailing of a weapon will force one into the defensive, and if your reaction time isn’t good enough, you’re dead.
@@redblade5556 It must be evolutionary. Unrelenting offense must be so effective in the natural world that any untrained person can fall back on instinctual thrashing, and even a trained opponent might be warded off.
Heck, there are videos of rats scaring away cats with sheer craziness, and videos of cats scaring away gators with sheer aggression. If there's a reason we do it instinctually, it must be because it worked for all those thousands of years.
A flurry in professional boxing is just a more intelligent and weaponized version of caveman thrashing.
I remember Matt Easton said that an amateur fencer who don't care for his life is even more dangerous than the best technical fencer. This theory proved in HEMA sparring where newbies who don't respect the practice blade, using protective gears as their "shields" and just start flailing around, which ended up alot of double kill, it's very annoying
@@jaketheasianguy3307 if getting the kill was the only thing that mattered and protecting your own life didn't, then it makes sense.
Feels like only yesterday you made this video
Traditional gung fu arts really teach you form and balance and fluidity , even though many techniques are not as combat effective as some , they teach you the precision form in order to perform technique , I’ve studied some traditional Chinese gung fu , including five animals , wah lum seven star mantis and wing chun , many people criticize traditional arts , but all martial arts are good in that they teach you many things you can apply to such combat arts .
While not entirely practical, fancy moves do serve a purpose. Intimidation. Pull them off effectively, and you can shake your opponent to their very core. Do them poorly and not only do you look like an idiot, you're basically dead as well.
You're not talking about "Fancy moves vs Orthodox moves", you're talking about "Skilled performance vs Unskilled performance".
It's like unorthodox chess moves: either you don't know what you're doing or you know VERY WELL what you're doing
Thing is, with certain weapons especially in asia certain styles simply look fancy while a lot plays into them. Especially with chinese weapons, certain moves are done to add impact or confuse the opponents or for example with the hook swords. The spin attack functions as a way to suprise and pull the other weapon away, and with a last hit you would be able to hook into flesh and pull the opponent around.
Sorry just to recap shortly, fancy looking moves are sometimes just part of a certain style.
pull it bad enough and break enemy concentration with unstoppable laugh
@Heavy Metal Pulp im not really familiair with fa jin, but i was mostly thinking about specificly certain weapons. The hookswords can be incredibly dangerous if you can suprise your opponent, one way to do that is make constant flashy moves. Theres a reason dancers used these weapons too, other than that jians and doas also used a more fluent fighting style i believe which could also be considered "flashy" if that makes sense.
Maybe its just the chinese way of fighting, they certainly like to portray it that way in their movies etc.
Let's just be honest making non-realistic fight moves work in a realistic situation is the most enjoyable thing.
that's...basically Wushu
Is it realistic though? How effective would it be if they were wearing proper armour?
This is clearly sport. Real life and sport have virtually no correlation...
@@edwardcullen1739 yeah, but then again, this is the closest we have to irl swordfights nowadays. No one fights wars with swords anymore. I do agree with you. Real warfare would be totally diffrent
@@edwardcullen1739 ancient warfare was waged with ranged weapons, long-ranged melee weapons (like polarms) and, when armour advanced to a sufficient degree, blunt weapons designed to debilitate armoured combatants.
Swords were more useful for 1-on-1 duels; techniques were designed against sole opponents, and unarmoured combat would be a much more enjoyable spectacle than armoured combat. Considering the application of duels in the classist's repertoire of braggadocious feats... I'd say the conditions of a duel were aimed more at the spectacle than the survivability.
It's as realistic as one could come when pulling off fantastical moves in an uncommon but felicitous scenario, such as a common elite hobbyist's exploit transformed into public sport.
@@bigboi9767 we would need a Miyamoto Musashi to win that kind of battle, or Baki Hanma
At 21:35 that painting/drawing idk why but
I love it
I want it
Just the grace and dedication in the lounging man is astonishing
And how the muscles are drawn is
Frankly beautiful
Like
It's
Just
So good
And now it's hiven me drive to become better at drawing so I nay draw a peice such as this
You should watch Chinese last sword saint master Yu Cheng Hui a rare actual duel. He did a spin cut and cut his opponent tight.
"Unconventional"- Mark Twain said in a book once "The best swordsman in the world has nothing to fear from the 2nd best swordsman. He's got to worry about some idiot who comes along and does the unexpected, and kills him." 😂 Great video as always Skal!
True
True, you got Miyamoto Musashi beating samurai by been a drunk, stinky, hobo look alike that arrives at the duel late to insult them and with a fucking log or an oar to beat the shit out of em and win
That's true I have a friend who fenced for years i on the other hand have seen Errol Flynn movies we were fooling about with a plastic sword and a piece of dowling he nearly lost a eye and still has a scar to this day
@@luna775 Musashi aways hass a lot in his favour. He was phisically strong and incredibly smart.
I'm not a sword fighter, but I do play Soccer and I can say for sure it's so weird to try and fake out a bad player, because they aren't skilled enough to defend properly, so they are simply oblivious to all the fake outs haha. Sometimes a lack of skill really can give you some luck!
As a long time viewer with a decade of martial arts (unarmed) experience, I have really enjoyed skall's evolution from generic pretentious HEMA snob to a really open minded martial artist. I completely agree that I am no expert and neither is he, but that A) you shouldn't discount something just because you've never seen it before and B) anything is possible with sufficient experience, skill and fitness. Keep up the good work my friend.
Roy Jones is the first person who comes to mind on this. He was so athletic that he could pull off unconventional moves that would normally be considered poor technique. Of course, once he got slower and older, he got KOed.
That said, unarmed fighting in sports is admittedly different from armed combat.
Skall was pretentious ? Wow, really ? Damn.
@@riichobamin7612 He sometimes came across as being pretentious. As do all people, you know, speaking their mind on the Internet^^
@@ThunderLord1 aah okay. Thanks !
@@someguy3186 yeah I feel like I've seen enough dumb shit work in MMA both on the mat and on tv that anyone saying "This looks fake" just hasn't seen enough fighting. It might not work all the time, but highlight reels are full of spins, rolls and pointless jukes that isn't maximized efficiency. I feel like these youtube folks are constantly distracted by what the "right" way is to do things because they don't want to look dumb, but then end up looking dumb being shocked by a spin.
Educational and badass, my kind of video
He is actually not that exposed. The things called Tigerhooks and he could easily defend himself with the right one from the next attack, which could only come from the right as a swing or an overhead and he is in a good and pretty strong defensive state for that. Doing sword fighting for 10 years now, this move is awesome and extremely well performed :)
My man Nuxia did the For Honor moves we all wanted to see
dude if she doesnt get a spinchop dancer zone
@@stockingsstuffer6302 sadly she only does it on an execution for now
itd be sick if she got that jumping attack that read does later
I'm a fan of her back throw
Zhanhu got rekt
The foot work of Red before the spin attack is very good, a real well built move.
True! The way he turns his front foot first just before advancing to better initiate the spin afterwards was great. Otherwise the initial foot positioning would have kind of locked his leg in place more.
He definitely practiced that move A LOT
@@TimmyTurner421 I agree, plus he’s clearly a well trained fighter
must've played a lot of Bushido Blade (maybe not, probably too young)
rly good episode
my favorite thing about the combination that starts at 18:47 in your vid is he doesnt play it safe with just the sword strikes but finishes with a kick. that kind of kinetic impact ensures there won't be a counter as his opponent's balance has been thrown by previous attacks and the force of a kick would at least cause a retreat/fallback. good move.
one thing about the spin attack is that when your enemy already started spinning, he will not stop the attack even if you hit him first due to the inertia. That prevents you from going in directly. It's more like a gamble.
High risk high reward
Actual hyperarmor
Ya it's a competition move not a real combat move. Here Blue might have poked into Red during the spin that ref may or may not catch and it may very well have glanced off and Red at worst just lose in this attempt.
In real life and death if Red'd armpit gets pierced simply because he exposed himself going for the spin then...
spinning attacks are only effects in a particular range, which requires lots of timing and luck almost. easy to block and distance from and requires a lot of effort for how much it opens you up. IRL it's probably a shit move unless you know you can land that hit by surprise
You have to step inside the attack, you'll get an rlbo
Blue: I have mastered and honed my craft for decades, i am ready for anything.
Red: RANDOM BU||SH!T, GO!
Blue: Wut???
Red: "you've activated my trap card"
blue: "bro this is chess"
red: "you're right! and that's why I also sunk your battleship!"
Imagining this in the voices of Red and Blue from Overly Sarcastic. Oddly fitting.
While you studied the blade I played video games
"Random" style is actually a very legit strategy against highly "trained" opponents. Ready for anything? We'll see about that!
But is easy to swing a non metal sword
pretty slick, what a beast
I think that in the first spin, he could have incapacitated the opponent and be safe if he used his hooksword to hook the leg instead of hitting the torso, specially after getting hit the opponent would be in prime position to loose balance and fall, saving his head from the afterblow.
There's also Tony "Boogeyman" Ferguson who consistently pulls dark souls rolls in UFC fights.
He's really fun to look at
Well he sometimes gets hit when he does it, but in that context its not so risky than if weapons would be involved.
This is exactly what I thought lol
He also puts wing Chun moves and some tiger tail low kicks into his moves. It's really fun to watch considering he seems to enjoy doing those moves.
Tactically speaking rolls in UFC is actually a working albeit situational move as it messes up stances, creates awkward positioning, and simply is disorienting. Despite this in UFC context there is no way to get caught, no way to get truly stabbed, and has momentum to get you out of a risky area like a corner
The odd times were Tony has pulled that off, and had his opponent swinging at him and missing as he was rolling away, is some of the funniest shit that has ever happened in a UFC octagon.
This reminds me how fencing was the hardest experience I've ever had in learning how to do and accurately defend and repost.
As a lifelong empty hand mixed martial artist and kickboxer, a long pointed stabby wand was a crazy combat world for my brain to adapt to.
I just couldn't stand a chance when it came to dueling this guy who was 6'4" due to his extra arm length advantage on me and keeping such distance and me on constant defense.
I had the lefty advantage to everyone else in the class but it didn't matter against him, or this little 14 year old girl who'd been fencing there for over a decade. She slaughtered me.
How did that effect your hand-to-hand?
Might just be me, but I'd expect that transitioning back, it'd make you more aggressive.
@@magne7771 it built my confidence in going in more and finding openings in sparatches for sure!
@@AverageGabriel Oh yeah. Might be watchin' too much _shit_ lately, but I was imaginin' some sorta flash-step bullcrap. Bell rings, there's just a friggin' rush of wind, they blink, and you're already standing under em, rearing up for the _mother of all haymakers._
Just by virtue of having that damn pointy end gone, and no longer needing to be _that_ kind of quick and precise, yeah, I felt like it'd turn a person more into a _space invader._ Promote a real _in your face_ fightin' style.
Cool to know I was right.
If I were you, I'd give other forms of armed combat a chance, to see if there's more overlap.
...Which is more my speed. I can definitely see any kind of hand-to-hand with a _bearded axe, even one off-hand,_ would make you more prone to go for counters and grapples. Considering, as an off-hand, it allows you to catch the handle or arm of anyone opposite you, and either disarm or straightup grab or throw them.
Combined with that new instinct to _charge_ in, I can almost see that resulting in a very _rough_ fighting style. The kind where you counter, and throw them to the side by the arm.
Honestly, that's why this video caught my attention. The guy did practically the same kind of thing I might've gone for, with a LONG sword, and a bearing axe, if it were the kind of setting where you _could_ deviate like that.
_This_ part is for me.
But yeah, the whole idea was to give a _Bearing sword_ a use, by taking advantage of its light weight and crazy range- by using a shorter hooking weapon to parry, strike first, or catch weapons. Before coming down on them with the two-hander. I might not have gone for a SPIN, but I very much would have went for a first strike like that, to _wrench_ one or both of their blades away.
...Sorry 'bout the rant. I'm a writer, and for the longest while now, I've been focused a _lot_ on the mechanics of a good fight scene. Practical applications of martial arts, _and_ a bit of flair, to portray the fight as an expression of pure body language.
This whole thing was really interesting.
@@magne7771 hey fellow writer, do you have any advice about setting a fight scene? Maybe how to learn more about the "mechanics of a fight", as you say?
Totally
I only just saw that match today, and then the algorithm stepped in and your vid was up.
The roll was less impressive, but the spinning attack blew me away. I practice eastern martial arts and love the training for sich moves, but have always been suspicious of their combat value.
That was nice
The spinning attack which the Red opponent has done was actually quite lethal. If you check again, you will see that the left offhand attack hit about the shoulder neck area, which already would be a gaping wound if not the hook burying in the flesh and then tearing off. The main hand (right hand) last attack would definitely land in the ribs which he just need to pull (which he had done in the flow of the move) and you would definitely loose your lung or liver on the way. Not to mention such kind of attack would land a heavy traumatic shock on the receiving part. If he were able to collect his bearing from this attack, a counter attack with only the right hand (the blue guy) would be very shallow hence the pain and most probably the heavy blood loss that would occur during that time. Would that attack be feasible to do? Well lets say maybe 5 times out of 100 encounters + it depends on the protective gear of the opponent.
Getting “proven wrong” in the most epic and sick fuckn way possible 10/10 would watch again
being proven wrong is the process of becoming more right :)
Ahem, I'm guessing by the incomplete word "fuckn" you actually mean luffy kittens and butterflies
The difference between whats 'possible' and whats possible for 'you'. By you i mean people who think they know what can be done.
Skall has always done a great job at saying "I guees it could possible but you are gonna die trying, most likely" you have always given the benafit of the doubt and now it paid off
It feels so good
@@user-we4bl5sr9w yeah brother
“Most likely”
In 90%+ of combat situations, considering factors such as opponent and your own skill, weapon, and mentality, as well as current opponent state and your current state (attacking/guarding/off-balance/out of position), you will die. However, with a certain combination of all these factors, you will succeed.
@@birubu no way combat has a 90% mortality rate it probably closer to 20% or 30%
this feels like scripted MMA but with swords
One thing to keep in mind during his second spinning attack, is how martial arts will often use a rotation or spin to generate additional force. Not to mention the flurry of attacks that were to follow. Stepping away was admittedly the better move for blue as he had no guarantee to land a sufficient blow during that barrage of attacks, and allowing Red to tire himself out with more aggressive and active movements and force him into a recovery state would allow a safer, easier strike.
As for real combat, if someone has enough momentum, unless you know you can stop them while they're doing such an aggressive spinning attack with a very rigid weapon like a spear, even if you pierce them with a fatal blow, they're not just going to stiffen up and stop rotating, and you're probably going to one or more head level strikes just from the momentum they already had. Factor that in with the depth such a hooked sword could penetrate with that spike, so again, better to disengage rather than both fighters succumb to fatal injury.
If you walk into a room and hear boss music but can't find the boss, hooked sword dude beat you there.
He turned his hook swords into a polearm, that's cool I like it.
Real-life Darth Maul
@@bobafat2082 lul, if Maul tried to pole arm his light saber, he would need more robo parts than just legs
I thought the follow up in your comment would be ", funniest shit i've ever seen"
Wow this is a first got me. & I liked it. It was very funny.
Thx
I love the content watched you for a long while now long before this video was made and ik I’m late on this comment but in the case where you said in the case of actual combat it doesn’t matter about how many hits unless they are mortally wounding one’s they don’t matter but the person in question the person in red did land a very fatal blow below the arm pit which would have most likely almost completely immobilized or prevented a follow up attack when red had done his spinning attack