Is Lionel Messi The Best To Play The Game? | ESPN FC
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- The ESPN FC crew debates if Lionel Messi truly is the greatest footballer to ever play the game.
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lmao are they drunk? 2011/2012 was the only year Messi played as a 9, and he scored 91 goals. He destroyed everyone.
Kojack Messi played as a 9 during 09/10,10/11,11/12,12/13,13/14.
Lewis Smith he was false 9
Kojack he played false 9
@@DavidSmith-jw9uu
09/10 Ibrahimovich
10/11 Villa
11/12 Messi
12/13 Messi
13/14 Messi
14/15 Suarez
@@prayudinovem2110 those r false 9 the only time he played a 9 was 2012
The last goal to win the game had my jaw dropped . Great game and great celebration.
Within 14 seasons like Jordan... still not done in his 14th year
James... All time leader in playoff win shares.
James.... All time leader Playoffs value over replacement
James.... All time leader in Playoffs Box +/-
James.... Has a usage rate 5% less than Jordans playoff usage rate
James... Only player to
every major statistical category in the finals
James... 7th all time in playoff rebounds(Jordan is 35th)
James.... 3rd all time in playoff assists (Jordan is 10th)
James.... 362 playoff steals... Jordan has 376(James will pass him this year)
James.... 21st in playoff blocks(Jordan is 31st)
James... Led his team to the greatest comeback in playoff history from a halftime deficit.
James... led his team back from a 3-1 deficit in the finals
Feel free to spam post this because Ive noticed Jordan jockers ignore this blatantly.
AsianKind Productions true but come on dude stick to the topic of the vid like really. I don't think basketball was mentioned at all...
AsianKind Productions
-flops
-got carried off with a baby elbow from David lee.
-flops
-got carried off for a "cramp" in the finals.
-flops
-left not only once but TWICE to different teams.
-flops
-plays in the weak ass east. It's been shitty for a decade.
-flops
-got hurt flopping into the camera causing a small cut in his head ( laid on the ground for five minutes like he got shot)
-flops
-complain this year about not having enough help even though he had the highest paid roster.
-flops
Awesome , his stats are great in a era where flopping is a thing and he's the one that carried it into this era. Soft.
yet has been unable to win 6 rings...sucks tht jordan still better than him lmao
@@tommymai2861world cup Messi
Man people really don't give credit to Ronaldo's and messis consistency people like Ronaldinho and R9 were outstanding in their prime but didn't
Last long while cr7 and messis has been in form and doing amazing stuff for the past 10 years
Agreed.
easy money exactly
Agreed partially... but going by longevity and consistency, Pele beats them all by 10 miles.......1958 to 1970 Pele was the only true boss
FootballFever But how many years ago was that? Hasn't football developed since then. More strictness on the offside rule, increase in quality of defenders etc.
easy money But Messi is better there is not comparation.
People seriously underrate Messi and CR. No one has had their longevity.
Longevity matters more.
H!VLTG 3 yeah both of them have already scored more career goals than R9 and I think they will add at 200/300+ more goals
Longevity definitely should have weight but lets put this into perspective, has there been any other player in history that is better than 85-87 Maradona or age 20-till injury Ronaldo or 09'-12 Messi? I think those three points in history of football was the greatest a player has played. In terms of totally, you can make the argument that 15' to 17' (now), there has never been a player so offensively complete as Messi. He is the best at goalscoring, dribbling and playmaking, ALL AT ONCE! Something we have never seen. Maradona was a playmaking/dribbler, Ronaldo 9 was a goalscoring/dribbler. Messi embodies all three at the highest of levels. But yes, if we use the longevity factor, well Messi has been the best player for the last 10 years in footballing ability. No player has ever dominated like he has.
UyemaHD Messi had not been the best for the last 10 years. Every Ballon d'Or that Ronaldo won off of him was well deserved and because he was the best in those years.
But you're right. I'd put Messi way over Maradona or or anyone from the past. Same with Cristiano. They are the two best players ever for me at least.
H!VLTG 3 best 3 players in history; Messi CR7 and Maradona (you can add pele in there if u want)
Ujjal Ray yeah that's probably my list too.
PRIME MESSI SCORED 91 GOALS IN A SINGLE YEAR. C'mon man.
Yeah Im with you that Messi at his prime was better but still need to admire Ronaldo 47 goals in 49 games at 19, 20 years old in his first season tho but Messi is better in his prime.
Tyrone Monsanto but R9 was at his peak at a young age not at like 27 29 it doesn’t make a difference if he had his prime at a young age and R9 was constantly injured and Messi was 23 or 24 when he did that and r9 didn’t get a one goal per game ratio
Dude,are u telling me that Messi is better than o fenomeno 😂😂😂
He won the Balon dor at the age of 20😂
U r comparing a multi club successful player and the top goal scorer in the world cup with a guy who has not won anything with the country
Ronaldo nazario and Cristiano Ronaldo have proved it on both club and international level
Messi didn't do it
@@troyeakb6314 it doesn't matter who won first. What matters is who won most
@@troyeakb6314 doesn't make sense with shifting clubs ..🤫
Messi at his best can score 5 goals in a cl match , can score 91 goals in a year and can make the whole team lying on ground . So is there any argument left ?
No, there isn’t lol
Did he really just say that prime R9 is better than prime messi? Im sleeeeeep
Ujjal Ray Lmao I was thinking the same, Messi in his prime was the best by far and it's not even close....
Ujjal Ray you comment just tell by itself that you are just one of these guys how start to watch futbol yesterday if you know something about futbol you should know ronaldo "phenomenon"nazario was by far the best player to ever step in a futbol field the big injures that hi got in his carrer are the reason why hi don't pass all the records in futbol history do a litle of of research or watch a couple of youtube videos (sorry for my English).
the logic sam prime ronaldo never won the ucl. If people talk about Messi not winning a World Cup then ucl should be used against ronaldo as well.
Thug Style The 1994 brazil national team that won the world cup is considered the worst selection in brazil national team history and ronaldo as a young player won that world cup and won the 2002 korea-japan world cup,ronaldo nazario hold the record of most goals in world cup history until klose broke that record in 2014,now i ask u what is more impressive being a legend and win league titles in italy in the 90's and early 2000's in those time the italy league was the most defensive league in the world, win titles in spain with real madrid zidane roberto carlos etc and win two world cup with one of the most legendary national team in the world with all the pressure that mean, do u know how many legendary players has played for brazil not only pele but rivaldo,garrincha, didi,tostao etc and ronaldo phenomenon is the one that hold most of the record of that selection history and do that having to overcome from two injuries that would finish any player in any era past or present you need a special kind of human being to do that search for the interview of buffon the juventus goald keeper in what hi say that ronaldo nazario is the only striker that most intimidated him look for the interview of zinedine zidane sayind that ronaldo nazario is the most spectacular player that hi ever see in his life even zlatan have poster of ronaldo nazario in his room when zlatan was a young player.(sorry for the English).😄
the logic sam R9 never won the champions league either and by the way injuries are a part of football, if you can't stay fit enough to play then that's your own bad luck
Are you fucking telling me you prefer an in form Brazilian Ronaldo over in form Messi. Even Brazilian Ronaldo will tell you that you are wrong.
who the fook is that guy ??? Im a huge fan of R9 but common! are u shittin me! R9 would pick messi over himself ! R9 is a graet striker , the best I have ever seen. But messi does it all bb , scores , dribbles , gives assests! He is magic!
Tadeo Catania lmao what are you on
Tadeo Catania
Ronaldo had rivaldo,Kaka RONALDINHO!! Supporting him at the back and providing for him who does Messi have higuain?do Maria?aguero? C'mon those guys are good for their clubs but mess legit carries the team on his back r9 never had to do that
Did you guys not watch Argentina vs every team leading up to the final. If it wasn't for Messi they woudlnt of gotten out of the quarter finals
Who did you not recognize and needed to use a derogatory expletive to describe and present your point across?
@brasileiros Silva idiot,have you seen statistics? messi carried argentina
Both Ronaldo and Messi are great but I prefer Messi🔥🐐⚽️💪🏻
Within 14 seasons like Jordan... still not done in his 14th year
James... All time leader in playoff win shares.
James.... All time leader Playoffs value over replacement
James.... All time leader in Playoffs Box +/-
James.... Has a usage rate 5% less than Jordans playoff usage rate
James... Only player to
every major statistical category in the finals
James... 7th all time in playoff rebounds(Jordan is 35th)
James.... 3rd all time in playoff assists (Jordan is 10th)
James.... 362 playoff steals... Jordan has 376(James will pass him this year)
James.... 21st in playoff blocks(Jordan is 31st)
James... Led his team to the greatest comeback in playoff history from a halftime deficit.
James... led his team back from a 3-1 deficit in the finals
Feel free to spam post this because Ive noticed Jordan jockers ignore this blatantly.
Jordan jocker here. Hold this L:
Michael Jordan
2 Time All-American & NCAA Player of the Year award
Won Pan American Games gold medal (1983)
A member of the gold medal-winning 1984 and 1992 United States Olympic Basketball Teams
(in 11.5 seasons with the Bulls) :
Named NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
Highest NBA career PER: 27.91
Most NBA seasons with PER over 31.0: (4 times straight)
Highest peak WARP in NBA history: 27.6
Lead league in win shares: 9 times
Lead league in plus - minus: 5 times
Lead league in Value Over Replacement Player: 6 times
Six NBA championship teams (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
NBA Finals MVP six times (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
NBA Finals single-series record for highest PPG average 41.0 (1993)
NBA Most Valuable Player five times (1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998)
All-NBA First Team ten times (1987-1993, 1996-1998)
Lead Bulls to second most wins in NBA history: 72 wins -10 losses (1996)
Lead Bulls to third most wins in NBA history: 69 wins -13 losses (1997)
Hit the game-winning shot in the 1998 Finals to win a sixth and final championship
Highest career PPG ave. (minimum 400 games or 10,000 points) - 30.1
Holds record for most seasons leading the league in scoring - 10
Shares record for the most consecutive seasons leading the league in scoring - 7 (1986-1993)
All-time record for most consecutive double-figure scoring games
Had a streak of nine consecutive games scoring 40 points or more (Nov. 28 - Dec. 12, 1986)
Eight playoff games with 50 pts. or more
30 regular season games with 50 pts. or more
173 games with 40 points or more
Scored a career playoff-high 63 points against Boston on 5/20/86
Scored a career best 69 points, 18 rebounds, 6asts, 4stls in OT vs Cavs (1990)
Lead the league in playoff scoring average 11 times
Has hit 28 game-winning shots in the NBA
Had 10 triple-doubles while averaging 34 pts, 12 asts and 11 rebs per game, over an 11-game stretch (March-April 1989)
Has posted 28 career triple-doubles
Two playoff career triple-doubles, both at New York (5/9/89 and 6/2/93)
Bulls all-time leader in scoring (29,277), assists (5,012), and steals (2,306)
Lead the league in playoff steals per game 2 times
Holds the all-time playoff record for the most steals
Lead the league in steals three times
Had at least 235 steals and 125 blocks in 2 straight NBA seasons
(in 2 seasons with the Wizards:)
Only 40 year old NBA player to ever score over 40 points on 2/21/03
Had his #23 jersey retired by the Miami Heat in honor of him on 4/11/03 (a team he never played for.)
Best statistical NBA Finals performances since 1983:
SERIES AVERAGES
PLAYER YEAR GAMES PTS/G TS% REB/G AST/G GAME SCORE/G
Michael Jordan 1991 5 31.2 61.2 6.6 11.4 32.8
Shaquille O’Neal 2002 4 36.3 63.6 12.3 3.8 32.2
Shaquille O’Neal 2000 6 38.0 57.6 16.7 2.3 32.0
Michael Jordan 1993 6 41.0 55.8 8.5 6.3 30.7
Shaquille O’Neal 2001 5 33.0 57.5 15.8 4.8 29.1
Magic Johnson 1987 6 26.2 59.0 8.0 13.0 28.3
LeBron James 2016 7 29.7 56.2 11.3 8.9 27.7
Michael Jordan 1997 6 32.3 53.2 7.0 6.0 27.0
Dwyane Wade 2006 6 34.7 57.2 7.8 3.8 26.9
Michael Jordan 1992 6 35.8 61.7 4.8 6.5 26.7
source: basketball-reference.com
Note that Jordan made the Finals six times and appears on this list four times!
Of course if you play longer you will accumulate more stats. How does that make you better if you are still "chasing the ghost" of the one who came before you ? That means you're taking longer while still acheiving less than what that other person accomplished.
WeSpeakFootball for me the best peaks ever are r9 and messi.r9 starts to be amazing at such a young age and people say:"r9 at his peak was amazing" but... it was really is peak??because at 22 years old i think you as a player are not in your peak and that is scary to think that ronaldo could have been better and for like 10 years if he never got injured.messi well...i think he is the best because of all that he gives to us on the pitch during his whole career.now between then two... its really hard to pick one
World Cup Messi
when you speak of their absolute peak, between Messi and Brazilian Ronaldo, let us be realistic... it is Messi by a mile, i repeat, Messi by a mile. In terms of goals, passing, dribbling, play-making, counter-attacks play Messi is the best at all these.. no disrespect to Ronaldo but that is a fact!
That Ronaldo is not even close this guys are high....Messi is simply magical!!!
New fans.. Smh
William Mendes Stfu its true
Jesus watch the 1998 and 2002 world cups.
Absolutely...Messi is better than
You can't just say somebody that was brilliant in one season is better than somebody that is brilliant for a decade.
Ronaldo at his peak or Messi when he scored 70+ goals a season?....yep I think ill be picking Messi in my starting lineup
From 1995 to 2003 Ronaldo was by the far the best player , excluding the injury years. And he won it all at the international level, and that's what matters the most.
FootballFever why does it? You play more club games than international. A tournament that happens once every four years should not overshadow a club career of which you play like 7 or times more matches.
FootballFever in their prime, Messi shits all over R9. No one can give me crap about R9 in his prime being better than Messi In his prime cos he wasnt
5 years later, he’s still crazy good …. LOL
So let me put this into perspective; Zhaka says that Messi is the best club player ever, seeing that give or take 80% of the football we see is club football and the rest is international football. So that in my view means that Messi is the greatest player 80% of the time. That itself trumps everybody in the history of the beautiful game.
@LEOMESHI yep
They're shot, Messi at his best in a game will go through players like cheese
Messi is protected. Defenders during Pele's era were trying to seriously injure him and were not sent off the field. Brazilian Ronaldo is the best striker of all time while Pele is the best all-around player.
IB Daramy defenders at pele's time 'wer farmers lool they couldn't tackle for thier lives
Lucas Barbosa except in the World Cup.
@Sam 408312 Brazilian Ronaldo is arguably the greatest 19 and 20 year old ever cuz of that 1 Season he had at Barca in 1996 1997 He scored 47 goals in 49 games that out of this World, but overrall i dont think he would be better than Messi today i they both be on top tho, but common Messi 2011 2012 season scoring 73 goals and 28 assist, and in the calender year he scored 91 goals in only 69 games just let that number sink in for a minute, so Messi in his prime was out of this universe
@@tyronemonsanto3090 ppl forget that if means both ways he could hv also declined after the early 20s
The average defender in today's game is much better than the average defender from 30 odd years back. I don't know how you can use the quality of defence against messi, if anything it should be for him.
4wko exactly, people literally say Baresi, Maldini and two or three more. That’s 5 defenders out of thousands. 😂😂. These people act like Maradona and pele played against the top defenders every week. 😂
10s of the World they played against ppl who had normal jobs and played a game once in a week.
The King what are you talking about? 😂
Niall McDonald if it was that easy then why wasn’t there anyone else doing what he was doing😂
Not true, statistically incorrect. Rules made it harder for the attacker, especially in the 50'/60's. look it up the goals per match stats for example in the Calcio A.
Notice the way they didn't mention CR7 when talking about the best ever
Sammy Fash because they’re haters
they are CR7 Haters, Cristiano is not on the Conversation becouse he is Portuguese. if he was a brazilian,German or from England, definitely he would be in the Conversation.... thos guys are liers and jealous..
its simple to understand, UK invented football, but a guy from Madeira(Portugal) is one of the goat.
UK have better League, More Money than Portugal but they can't Produced talented player like Ronaldo....
its truth...
antonio jose hahahaha CR7 is not in the conversation bc he is Portuguese?!?!?! Messi is Argentinian, why would he be in the conversation? Argentina is a 3rd world country...the reason he is not in the conversation is bc he is not top 5 best ever maybe top 10 maybe
Juan Villanueva....name one english,one mexican or one spanish player better than Ronaldo?....if Ronaldo Was a brazilian he would be more bigger than he is now.... and let me tell you CR7 is on top 5.... Dont let the Media fool you man
antonio jose there arent better English, Mexican or Spaniard player better than CR7..but why its that important?....how can you put CR7 above Pele or Maradona? Are you insane? Or are you just a kid who started watching football a couple years ago? Cruyff who is Dutch, Di Steffano who is Argentine are above CR7...then its debatable who comes Messi, CR7, Zidane, Garrincha, Ronaldo, Platini
Messi has won the world cup 2022🏆, he is now the Greatest player of all time.
I am not sure whether brazilian Ronaldo can score 91 goals in 1 year. I don't think anyone can
They are drunked🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣messi is way better
@@ashvathraj240 I think you never watch r9 lol
@@fcb3266 so u are saying r9 better than messi 🤣😂😂🤣😂
@@ashvathraj240 definitely you never watched him that's why you are laughing.
He sure can if in his prime he had xavi and iniesta serve him like they did for messi on that particular season. At 21 years old r9 was already at 191 goals with a ball on d or can u imagine r9 without injuries they already say he s the greatest he didn't even get to his prime hahahah that s how beast he was bruh please go watch him in barca inter PSV unplayable! Never seen anyone play like him and I m messi and cr7 fan but none of them are like him in his prime
It is an insult to compare Messi with CR. Messi is so much better that the comparison is ridiculous. Check the videos of his highlights, there is no way CR has done naything even closer. Messi is the best ever, and probably there will never be another like him. He's already 13 years in the FCBarcelona first team, and look what he can do after all these years. The best ever
I totally agree
I don't agree with this at all. The fact that Ronaldo has achieved at both Manchester United and Madrid is something incredible. In just 8 years, he's become Real's all time top goal scorer.4 time balon d'or winner, 3 times ucl champion, 5x league titles. How is he not great?
+Zan Syed nobody is questioning the greatness of Ronaldo. We all know he is great, Messi is just on another level.
Ronaldo scores tap ins from 5 yards out and needs twice the number of shots to score the same number of goals as Messi.....and this is all while Messi is not used as the main goalscorer in the team anymore...messis job is now creative playmaker....and doing a damn good job of it
studmalexy Dont pretend like scoring goals is easy to do. If it were as easy as just tapping it in then everybody would be as good as Ronaldo, don't you think? Also, Cristiano is not a striker in position either which makes his goal tally more impressive. positioning is as important as anything else because if you're not in the right spot at the right time then there can be no goals.
these pundits are terrible! US football will never improve if these are the "experts" critiquing the sport!!!
This comment is jokes
Julian Zbar these aren’t even americans tf?
Prime R9 was the best striker world has ever seen,But Messi is head and shoulder above everyone else as the greatest ever to play the game,GOAT
I think in today's game, players are far more mentally prepared, physically prepared and tactically prepared. R9 would be in the best Xl team, but wouldn't beat messi to the balon d'Or. messi is the best ever in my opinion, he doesnt need a world cup to prove it.
R9 would beat them all by quite a distance, just like he beat Rivaldo, Zidane and a host of other great players during his time ....
FootballFever how do you beat a Messi to ballon d oro that scores 73 goals in all competitions, 50 la liga goals and 91 calendar year goals in just one season. Not even Cristiano's best has gotten that close
:).... Point is, the defensive game has taken a backseat in the last 10 years.... Thats why you see players like Messi, Suarez, CR7, Neymar etc etc are scoring goals after goals every season.... during R9 and Zizou's time the defensive play was awesome.. was not that easy to score 30+ goals in a single season.. Messi has been ofcourse great at the club level... may be the best ever at the club level, if you take into account his longevity.. But R9 was still more talented, had a more blistering pace, more complete as a goal scorer than anyone else..
FootballFever alright then with your logic ronaldo is only an international legend. Never won the ucl and played with many world class teams. Give Messi that same Brazilian team that ronaldo played in and you get better results. Messi is far more talented and consistent. I've watched both of them play and ronaldo was doing something incredible every 2, 3 weeks. Messi does it weekly.
FootballFever and there's no way to prove that the defense has gotten weaker. CR7 and Messi do numbers that no player will ever reach or do. That doesn't mean defenders aren't as good as they were 20 years ago.
Messi is what you get when you combine the BEST PLAYERS OF ALL TIME
Xavi's passing, Iniesta's ball control, R9's finishing, Maradona's dribbling, Pirlo's over the top passing
Messi is the G.O.A.T
Messi would get clobbered in the prem
@@forshigity5000 We've seen what he's done to the Top 6 of your overhyped fish and chips league so sit down.
MMM sit down mate. You got told
Armchair Critic fish and chips league IMAO GOLD
r9 is one of my favourites but Messi is better
El phenomeno is better than penaldo but not Messi😂
Zyro Kurogane Messi =More Goals than TAPpenaldo,More assist than TAPpenaldo,faster than TAPPenaldo,better freekick tacker than TAPpenaldo
Gold3n Kid at least ronaldo can score his penalties, it makes no sense u call him penaldo, cause messi can't score a penalty to save his life
Muhammed Ali Aydin but Ronaldo has a higher top speed, more goals and freekicks
Your argument is the worst I've seen in a while
Make fun of Ronaldo all you want calling him Penaldo, your great Messi couldn't score decisive penalties like for example in 2010 against Chelsea in Champions League which kicked Barca out of the tournament and 2018 world cup match against Iceland which could have helped them qualify from the group stage easily but they had to see to the others to lose to qualify. You call Cristiano Ronaldo as Penaldo because you admit he is a penalty kick specialist, he never misses a penalty unlike Messi
@@saedaslam2620 Didnt Ronaldo miss penalty in 2008 UCL final against Chelsea and he also miss in the world 2018 against Iran so stop with this bullshit alright.
Dude Messi is literally GOD and he's proven it on the pitch more times than I can even count. Why are we even debating this at this point?? People are gonna look stupid af when looking back on these kinds of videos after Messi's retirement. You're witnessing the greatest to ever play the game. Appreciate it and just admit what you're seeing in front of your eyes
R9 at his absolute best scored 47 goals in a single club season for Barcelona and that was his only 40 plus season in his entire carriee, whereas Messi scored 38,47,53,73,60,41,58,41,54,45,51,31,38 in 13 consicutive years! Still prime ronaldo is better than Messi!! You guys are blind and need education really. Saka is simply unworthy to discuss any issues because he played for a country that is no better than Bangladesh football team. You guyes are completely unworthy to talk about Messi.
The way you have broken down those stats is impressive.
el fenomeno for me was the greatest player ever before messi showed up .but ronaldo won the world cup in a great team with many help . messi doesn't have that in argentina . messi is the greatest cuz no one was consistent all this timee before , unfortunately ronaldo was ruined by injuries specially that horrible one against lazio roma i think and i think he could've got more goals than he did . but messi is a lot different : he is a scorer , a dribbler , a play maker , he has more goals assist than the majority of the best midfieldders in this game and he is only 30 years old . you can argue as you want but no player ever had these different skills .
and for those who compare cristiano to him which is a joke i dare them to find anything else besides goals to compare ronaldo and messi
badreddine ramdani Indeed. totaly agree.
Yes any other things besides goals CR7 is no where near Leo
Arinze Anyaeche I think he meant r9, not cr7, but ur still right even with cr7
Messi won the world cup
If a player running through 1 on 1 and you can bet your life on him , it would be R9!, Well if a guy running through whole team and you can bet your life on him it would be Messi.
Most of you won't realize how great Messi is until he retires. You have memories of older players doing amazing things but won't realize how Messi does them better until he's no longer with us and we are reflecting on all of his great moments. We dont do it now because he has made the insane become the routine.
Brazilian ronaldo had 9 champions league goals. Messi over 140
Some people really joke around Messi 🤣🤣 a guy who distributes the passes
Creates the goals
Scores the goals equally
Dribbles past half of the team from the centre and beats the goal keeper on top
People compare him with strikers 🤣🤣🤣🙌🙌
Messi creates, designs, passes, scores, dribbles all so well!!! R9 was a great player but he was a striker n I almost never saw him design/create plays like Messi! no comparison! sure R9 could score but R9 could not do what Ronaldinho could let alone what Messi can do. nothing against R9 but Messi is ahead of him by years, has more goals, more assists than R9 ever could n Messi isn't even a striker so that saids a lot about Messi.
I’m starting to get convince that messi is unplayable. R9 ronaldo may be a natural more of a finisher but messi is unplayable at his absolute peak.
Prime messi scored 91 goals in a year. When has prime R9 scored that many goals
It’s not all about goals
@@Mo-jt2xo then what> oh assists? messi had more,oh playmaking? messi had more oh dribbling? messi dribbled more..
@@Luka-pv2dt R9 at he’s peek was the best player but Messi longevity is better
@@Mo-jt2xo A vast body of research has backed these changes up consistently.
Just take these 4 studies I'll link here,
The Evolution of Physical and Technical Performance Parameters in the English Premier League (2006-2013)
Shows that Distance coverage increased (including most importantly High Intensity distance coverage), ball passing share of Poor-Passers Decreased dramatically and for WC spanning a massive 44 year timespan (1966-2010) the passing rate and critically speed of ball passing increased.
The effect of high and low percentage ball possession on physical and technical profiles in English FA Premier League soccer matches
This looks at the distance coverage of teams who have different ball-possession dynamic, essentially those who like to hog the ball or those who rely on counters, parking the bus and not able to play possession football, how does that affect physical metrics. There are dramatic findings for different positions and styles.
Physical Demands of Different Positions in FA Premier League Soccer
This is a simple movement study and doesn't do comparison so it may become important as reference when another similar study is done in coming years.
Evolution of match performance parameters for various playing positions in the English Premier League.
One of the most important ones. It shows that from 2006-2013 alone High Intensity Distance coverage for a position like FB in PL increased by a Mind-boggling 36%. This is down right absurd levels of increase. Changes like this took decades in 2nd half of 20th century in other distance coverage metrics.
These are just 4 studies from last 15 years and just covering PL alone. I have seen studies from all over the world, even Brazilian leagues or from as far back as the 1950s. Players in 1950s were doing 5-6 Kms per match.
Football is better now and that is a factual statement, anyone who brings up nonsense like can't compare era is delusion and blinded by nostalgia and bias. Period.
Even an Amateur football game played by obese 5 a side teams will be entertaining, that doesn't make it "Better" in the context this is used here. Anything can be exciting, doesn't make it Elite or the pinnacle of possible human performance. Meaning what one means when they are comparing eras, teams, leagues need to first provide context because things like "Better" have clear and obvious meaning when no context is given.
messis peak was far better then r9,its just facts
@@Mo-jt2xo he asked you in what else was r9 comparable to him than in goal and I guess you're running away
Messi is the GOAT! Brazilian Ronaldo is not on his level.
Ha ha ha you don’t saw how good was brazilian Ronaldo
@@MdEmon-oq8qo the Fat one?
Brazilian ronaldo was the greatest talent football has ever seen buddy u known nothing about football
Lol You dont know R9
Prime messi > anyone else: Proof by brute force:
Pick a player you think is better than messi. now, pick a full 11 team to play against them.
R9: pick powerful positionally strong defenders like boateng and van dijk. r9 is not getting past players who don't dive in and can outmuscle him strengthwise
Now pick a full 11 side to play against messi.
Van dijk? messi has beat him 2/3 games theyve faced each other. Boateng? face on the floor. Ramos? please... ferdinand? you must be kidding.
which team is harder to choose?
Answer: the answer is always the one against messi.
No one player can stop messi. No one team can stop messi. Arguably the best club of all time with the biggest galacticos lost the league title to him year after year after year. 5-0 blowout. 6-2 blowout.
you can even pick bayern, but even at the 8-2 loss, messi still scored.
They assume themselves expert s but they literally dont know anything at all.
Messi is the best, he dont needs proof
R9 is the best player of the modern years, can't count Pele because back then the game was quite different. R9 is individually better than Messi, better skills, better speed, better efficiency. But in a season with a team, Messi is more favorable to win because Messi makes people a little bit better.
Prime ronaldo= normal Messi.
Messi manages to do the same thing that prime R9 does without having the power or the physique.
Shaka, please rethink that.
Yeah look at those Messi headers
@@forshigity5000 stfu
i cant believe during this whole conversation they didnt even mention Cristiano once.
Coldest moment of his career in my opinion. A clutch goal in Madrid against Real Madrid. Leo Messi was special that night.
And now he's won the world cup
MESSI is the GOD of football. THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME
Kittipong Lorsuchat haha biggest joke
Can't do shit outside Barca
Biggest joke of the year disappears In big games
@@daviesfc8906 just like Davies vs PSG
@@sohelbashar6925 He will win Copa América this year then u will cry and say he still isn’t GOAT
with all the talent in modern times across all sports, we get desensitized to the greatness we get to see every day. messi and ronaldo are the two greatest, lebron is the greatest, tom brady is the greatest, etc..i think we tend to romanticize the past and lift it up to something it probably wasn't.
truest comment
R9 at his prime can score goals . Messi at his prime can score goals , be a playmaker , a master of set-piece and of course magical
at their best, between the Brazilian Ronaldo and Messi, the following would have to be looked at: 1. Goals ( even though Ronaldo was an out-and-out number 9, he is miles, let me repeat, miles behind Messi). Ronaldo's best scoring season was 42 goals, Messi's best scoring season was 73 goals. 2. Dribbling, Ronaldo could sure dribble and take on 3, 4, 5 players and actually end up scoring. But with Messi, it that as well, but the number of times Messi does it is far more than what Ronaldo did. 3. Passing, Messi is miles ahead. 4. Link-up play and assists, Ronaldo would wait for service most of the time, whereas Messi provides service to his players, which is why Luis Suarez scored 61 goals in the 2015/2016 season (for the first time in his career). He has scored 33% of Barcelona's la liga goals of the last 10 years. I loved Ronaldo so much but Messi is something else, winning golden boot playing as a midfielder (17/18) should tell you that much about him.
I don't care what u say....Messi and ronaldo are above anyone else who played the game..Pele,Maradona,r9...etc.
Jordan demonstrated was the best playing for the Bulls not for USA. The same applies to Messi
Am die hard Barcelona fan but the Brazilian Ronaldo in his prime has no equal
what has you being a barcelona fan got to do with that? I mean brazilian ronaldo played for barca at his peak and so did messi. As a result you being a barca fan holds no value in this debate. or are you one of those die hard fans who staretd watching after 2009.
Messi in Argentina attacking midfielder
Not no.9 and when he played 9 scored 91 goals in a year
he didn't played 9, he played false 9.
These guys are fools how can u say Brazilian ronaldo is better than Messi lool
Because they have watched Brazilian Ronaldo play. He is electric! Zlatan Ibrahimovic also said that Ronald was the best. He was naturally gifted. Try watching some of his games. In Italy, he was called the phenomenon.
Messi also said R9 was the best striker of all time
IB Daramy I have watched every match he has played and I still stand on my original statement that Messi> anybody else. Also if Messi not winning a world cup is brought against him then i don’t see why not bring the fact that Ronaldo has no UCL against him. Don’t say different eras because Ronaldo feno played with world class national squads in world cups.
When he retires.. The question will be why was there any doubt!!! It takes an idiot to think otherwise at this stage
Messi > original Ronaldo =maradona> Pele >romario> cr7
MESSI IS THE GREATEST SPORTSMAN OF ALL TIME FOR FOREVER
messi's peak season 73 goals 35 assist....... this is rediculous to take brazilian ronaldo
messi>>>fat boi ronaldo
Prime R9 better than Prime Messi? Lol.. Messi at 22/23 was a God. Had every defender and goalie at his mercy. I can remember feeling sad for the opposition when he waived his way through and scored. Almost like an unfair feeling.. Remember those times? Opposition was talking to him and calming him down not to go off on a rampage so as not to make them look badly and to keep the score respectable..
It’s impossible to directly compare the greatest players from different eras. There are too many variables that factor into the discussion. Give all of them the proper respect that they deserve. Messi is the greatest of THIS era. Enjoy it. Savor it.
he is the goat
lmao R9 at his peak better than messi at his peak? what the entire fuck is this? messi in his prime had 91 goals in a calender year what the fuck
Honestly I hate when people say that Messi isn't the best just because he hasn't hasn't won a World Cup yet. It's a team effort. It's like everything that Messi has done will never be enough and I find that quite sad. But for me Messi is the G.O.A.T! No one is like him
R9 Messi and Maradonna are in another class
Keyser Soze agreed
Best to play the game ? His the best of best. GOATs of GOATs
Get those clowns off my screen? Ramos and pique not world class? 😭
Messi in his prime (2009-2012) was scary. I'd take him over prime R9 any day (or any other player for that matter). Messi is still as dominant, by far the world's best, but he was just ridiculous back then.
Shaka is talking about the quality of defenders . I would suggest him to go and watch a match in argentinian league and see the standard of football today then he can idealise what would be the standard of football there around 50 years ago
people downplaying defenders now, sorry but tactical wise and ability wise defenders now is way ahead than Pele's fisherman and farmers defenders. and let's not act like the defenders in Maradona and R9 time didn't concede goals.
xrizbira teams are so much harder to break down now its unbelievable.Yea defenders back then were great at 1 vs 1 but tactically football is so much more advanced.You never saw a team like atletico back then
Messi did it consistently for eleven years (from 18 to now 29 years old) against Club's with multi million dollar budget that buy multi talented players to create an "ultimate unbeatable team". while R9 only did it 2-3 seasons + 1 World Cup. CR7 no need to debate he is in lower class even to R9. Pele very good coz he won 3 World Cup and Maradona with super individual performance to help Argentina won in 1986.... If you have to rate the 5 best player of all time :
1. Messi (possibly you can put Pele and Maradona on the same level)
2. Pele
3. Maradona
4. Brazilian Ronaldo
5. Johan Cruyff ( possibly you can put Platini and Beckenbeaur on the same level)
who's here after he won the world cup
Prime Messi is the best of all time and there isn't even anyone who comes close.
Messi is the 🐐
R9 was like the Terminator. Back then if you were a defender he would just get the ball, turn, and you knew he was going to either go though you or by you. That's how he got so many injuries. There was no way to legally stop him in an era full of World Class defenders.
In an era including Zidane, Rivaldo, Batistuta, Bergkamp, Henry, Figo, Totti, Laudrop, etc he was still considered the best.
He was, in football, as far ahead of his piers as Usain Bolt was in Track and Field. Who's Messi's competition? CR7 and.......CR7......Kaka but then he got injured and older. Over the years Zlatan has proven he's an all time great but who else is there really? Everybody else plays with him in a team designed to maximize his influence and potential.
Amanda Hugankiss wrong, messi and Ronaldo have set a standard by which those players back then wouldn't have received that much praise in today's game. Only a few have scored and assisted like messi and Ronaldo for over 5+ years. Great players like Xavi, Iniesta, Ribery, Robben, Hazard, Neymar, Modric, Lewa, Suarez etc all get overlooked cus of their brilliance.
Xavi, Inesta, Neymar and Suarez ALL PLAY(ED) WITH HIM IN A TEAM GEARED TOWARDS HIM.
And if you think Hazard, Lewa, Ribery, Modric deserve to be in the same conversation of comparison as Zidane, Rivaldo, Totti, and Figo.. I'm wondering if we can even have a serious football discussion at this point.
Good defense/defenders are close to non existent these days and we've just recently seen what happened when he faced Juventus who along with Ath Madrid are the last two real exponents of the art. If R9 played in La Liga today he's be hitting a hattrick+ every week. La Liga defenders are like inept guards in a James Bond movie. And Messi is only "Bond" when he wears the Barca shirt.
And thats the other thing that makes him lose massive points. Both he and CR7 are not the same when they play for their country. Christiano has shown more heart than him I don't know if that's because he's older so probably more mature but neither of them have truly dominated an international competition for their country despite CR winning the Euros and Messi reaching 3 finals.
R9, weather fat or fit, always looked the same player for Club as he did for his national team. A characteristic I cant say of Messi or CR. Even Neymar looks far more convincing for both than them.
If Neymar had a team geared towards him like Messi has Barca and CR has Madrid and he was allowed to fully unleash as he does with his national team he'd be ahead of both right now.
Be careful. R9 was great but he wasnt leagues ahead of his peers like ur saying. I agree he was better than most of the people u listed, but not leagues ahead. And was he better than zidane? Think about it. People don't praise neymar, iniesta, zlatan, suarez and the rest like they praise rivaldo, henry figo, etc. U know why? Coz messi and cr7 have been leagues ahead.
Even Zidane himself thinks he way better than him. His own words not mine he's said it many times in various interviews you can look it up. In fact, its when R9 had the seizure and played while sick in the 98 WC Final and Zidane scored the headers that the World truly stood up and took notice of him. Its when Ronaldo was out for almost 2 whole seasons with knee injuries that Zidane, Rivaldo etc had the chance to really flourish especially as far as notoriety is concerned.
I think Naymar is an elite and special generational talent and that if he had his own club team built around him He'd be winning Ballon D'ors already. Zlatan is unique. I think he's scored the most amazing goals of any footballer of any era. But even he is almost from the same era as R9 albeit near the end of his career, and again, he also thinks R9 is the greatest. Come to think of it, I believe Messi also said R9 is the best! Look it up. Iniesta is a great but as with Xavi he plays(ed) in the same team as Messi for Messi and I'd take a Kaka in top form over him on my team any day. A guy like Kaka who is not as gifted as Messi has shown way more heart than him for club and country through the years.
And Luis Suarez is World Class. Yes he's good.....But he aint that good. The celling for Neymar is way higher than for him, Iniesta, Zlatan, but time will tell if he reaches his full potential. And I tell you what, at this rate, if Messi doesnt somehow, he's better off leaving Barca and going to build his career elsewhere. As long as he's in barca with Messi he'll never be fully unleashed. He's already ahead of both of them for the national team.
But aside from him, right now, realistically, there arnt any other real World Class players out there who CR & Messi are competing with.
Amanda Hugankiss LMAO "Suarez is good but not that good" I'm starting to think you're the reason football conversations can't be held on YT, like I said before. If Messi and Ronaldo played in their era scoring 50 goals and 18 assist every season players like figo would be put under just how great players in today's game get ignored (Ribbery, Robben, Hazard) just because they're not putting up the stats. Modric is one of the best midfielders to ever play if you can't see that I can't help you. Kaka was great but don't talk to me about players who had a two year Prime lol. No one has played at messis level for as long as he's played. Messi R9 and Maradonna are in their own league from everyone else. And if you think it's easy to score what sport are you watching, defensive tactics are far more advanced and every team has 9 players in the box against Barca at all times
The last part I agree with and respect the other debate as well.
These guys are either: A) Drunk!? B) High!? Lionel Messi is absolutely, without a doubt, the best player to ever play the game. It's not even comparable. Every goal Barcelona scores is either by Messi, or assisted by Messi. Show me another player you can pass the ball to, step aside, and watch him dribble through six opposing players and then score, while making them all look like amateurs?! And not just do it once, but do it over-and-over, year-after-year. He's the best dribbler by far. He's one of the best free-kick takers from outside the box ever. His assists are highlights within themselves. Lionel Messi is the best. I feel like Mugatu from Zoolander, listening to these people say he isn't the best... "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!!"
R9 at his best was obviously great but Messi has a dribbling goal scoring passing free kicks Messi is everyone combined he is miles ahead of r9 in any time
Miles ahead of R9! Stupid comment
I am a messi fanboy. I believe Messi is the greatest of all time. But i am also a man utd fan, so i love ronaldo too. I think its unfair when people say ronaldo shouldnt be in the conversation for goat. I think he's in the top 5 of all time. And tbh, he might be the greatest goalscorer ive ever seen, i think hes a better captain of his national team, better header, and more passionate than lm10. But nonetheless, player to player, messi is better.
Spinosaurus D dude you're crazy or what??😂 the greatest goal scorers ever are puskas ,Eusebio,R9,pele,Messi ,they're levels above cr7 alright mate.. and Messi got better goal ratio than cr7,and cr7 still has played more than a 100 games more than Messi
Agree with the last point about Defenders being voted "best" for there last minute goals etc rather than their defending but still, you can't deny that football as a sport as become more tactical and sport nutrition and conditioning is a lot better than before which is why players end up playing till they are in there mid 30s quite comfortably. I would still pick Messi as my Greatest of All Time though
5 ballon d'or and 500 club goals before 30 years old......some still doubt he's the goat
Add 2 Balon d'or, 3rd is coming plus wc 22
These clowns are absolutely clueless
Pele is the greatest ever, followed by Maradona and the original Ronaldo, R9 . Ronaldinho/Zidane tied at 4th. Messi is 5th in the list. However R9 was the most talented of all the above, unfortunately injuries played a big part in his career decline.
Until Messi wins something for for Argentina (even copa america will do), he will never be considered the greatest ever.
How can a player who has played three world cups and scored ZERO goals in the knock out stages, and doesnt step up when the national team needs him the most, be considered the greatest ever ? Its not as if Argentina has a bad team. They have a very good team. Most of their team members play for top clubs.
FootballFever I'm not gonna waste time trying explain how you're wrong in so many ways.. All I will say is watch Messi and observe he's style...when Messi in the zone NO OTHER PLAYER CAN MATCH THOSE LEVELS...that Argentina team is full of flops, simply look at the games Messi didn't play....they might not even qualify for WC ffs....do you think Brazil would have this problem without Neymar? Chile without Sanchez? Brazil without Pele? Argentina without Maradona? ... Sure they may not win the actual trophy BUT they would still qualify...this Argentina team is a joke! You have seen Messi single handedly (at times) destroy Madrid/Man U/Brazil/Bayern/Man City/Arsenal/Atletico for over 10 years..he's passing/dribbling/finishing/acceleration/vision/creativity/generosity.. I haven't seen anyone better and I'm not biased in any way..I'm not barca fan and I'm not argentine, Messi will forever be the greatest I've seen simply no argument.
These guys have absolutely no idea what they're saying
Messi is the best EVER and that is FACT complete player with every technique and doing what he does for so long is Unbelievable
R9 is great but in his prime could he pass better than messi, did he have better vision than messi, could he dribble an entire team from one end of the pitch to the other, did he ever score 91 goals in a calendar. I mean its ridicolous to compare and im an r9 fan
I am a cr7 fan but Messi is on other level he can do most of the things for u
Shaka reminds of conservative old farts who still think like we're in the 60's in 2017.
Omar Al Sammarraie lmao true
😂😂🤣🤣
The year is 2022 and this video is just making me laugh😂😂
Why?
He's still won a Ballon dor last year
I mean, peak messi can dribble an entire team, never seen anybody else do that so...
R9 did it. R9 scored in most finals Messi cant even score in the world cup knockout stage DWL
That black doesn't know what he's talking about
erwin lucas Those whites are deluded
"that black"
Anoid Roudrigez they are all deluded let's agree on that. That's why they work for ESPN. not exactly renowned for football
If you actually believe that Messi is better than Maradona and Brazilian Ronaldo before the first injury, you`re drunk.
Definitely better than Maradona. Ronaldo can be debated talent wise but Messi has done it for far longer.
Well, Maradona's teammate Jorge Valdano said that Maradona was Maradona sometimes, Messi is Maradona everyday. People glorify retired players thinking they never had a bad game. Factually, Maradona wasn't the Maradona you see on highlights everyday, he was very inconsistent. So was Zidane, Ronaldinho. There isn't much footage of Pele, Di Stefano and elder greats. However, Messi is putting astronomical numbers every year. Im not referring to just goal+assist. I am talking about dribbles, chances created, key passes, shot efficiency and so on and his number are near impossible to replicate. Messi is the best talent there has been since Brazilian Ronaldo. Plus, Messi literally plays like Maradona, same height, style of play, both left foot, only difference is that Messi is banging in 50 goals a season with 25 assist, Maradona could never touch those numbers. You could make an argument that in there times, the defenders were better. But in Messi's time footballers are more athletic and football tactics are far more superior.
Actually, MESSI is better than Maradona and Ronaldo combined.
Enzo Napolano messi belongs in the category of : cruyff, maradona, pele, zidane. Those players besides scoring goals, they dominate & impact the game in ways that r9 couldn’t or didn’t have the capability too
Enzo Napolano i doubt you ever seen them play so how the fuck would you know by watching CZcams highlights
Brazilian Ronaldo at his best was from another planet but even him at his best. He wasn't a better finisher than messi no no
Defenders back then don’t used to slide down straight towards your ankles and they were not as quick, agile as they are now a days. Tackles are more brutal now a days … its been more than decade CR7 and Messi have shown their talent. I would prefer Ronaldinho over Ronaldo 9.
Did that dude really just say neither Ramos or Pique are world class? R9 in his prime would be on a mid table team in the modern game. It takes so much more skill and physical fitness to be decent. R9 wouldn't last a full half of counterattacking football. Most legends in their prime could not play 90min of the modern game. Ridiculous.
Man these were the good ole days
Score a hattrick,u ll be in the 🐐 discussion in ESPN
Shaka caps 🧢 for a profession. Sergio Ramos and Pique not world class defenders because they face Lionel Messi?? What about Ferdinand, John Terry, Nesta, Zanetti, Roberto Carlos, Vidic and many more.
Now he has won the World Cup, what else ??
Messi is the GOAT. Not only because he is Messi. He makes assist and scores goal with 5 people around him. and from a strategic point of view, Messi is the most dangerous player ever, most all-rounded player.
1. Messi
2. maradona
3. r9
4.zidane
5. ronaldinho.
Cr7 is outside of the top 5 technically. but career wise cr7 and messi are at the top
Who is here after the World Cup?
Why’s this even a debate???? This is crazy, Messi all day everyday all time great!!!