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Mashoor means famous.
yes
He got it almost right when he said competent creator
br😂 roasted @@ArjunA-ln3ov
Batman comic is proof of Batman's existence 😂😊
Religions were the first to make comics.
@@BuddhistRajput I'm not sure but religions are entirely to fulfill ego and make you feel superior than others
It's like the way we used to make groups of friends when we were young
@@Jchi737i think religion was made to answer questions about life,destiny, purpose of life etc but ended but being a tool used by powerful leaders to segregate people
@dumbelbells1389 look hinduism brahman are treated like gods
@vergil.27 Hello, nice to meet you. But I am not an atheist, I am a misotheist.
Bruh i always feel hindu religion is super crazy than i see islam people talk 😂😂😂 wah wah kya baat hai next level pura
Read the books on Christian atrocities....you will laugh like hell😅
Read Jewish texts, they are on even another level.
The old testament is on whole another level
@@bhajrangbali7975it's not about that, I am talking about making shit up
So you are saying wine being jesus' blood and bread being his body and his resurrection isn't sh*t made up??
Bias or aomething against islam or you are Christian?? @@paroxymal7688
When I was a theist, I used to watch him to debunk atheists. At first, I found him somewhat rational because before that, I used to listen to Bangladeshi scholars who would shout against atheists. In comparison, he seemed rational at first. However, as I grew and learned more, I started finding his arguments shallow. In the first six months of that period, I would say, "I can't think against Allah because I've been invested in it since I was six, so I can't go against Allah." Then, I started watching GM Skeptic and Alex. That's where I found my journey into philosophy and new life
Great brother. Keep growing.
Bro I am also an atheist from Bangladesh and luckily my religious parents have accepted it.
@@user-zy5rv6bk1sHow did relatives and neighbors take it?
i dont like that guy coz he also pushes anti india narrative , his inner pakistani comes out
Hey man, i would suggest u read the divine reality by Hamza Tzortzis to clear ur doubts regarding god.
Bruh he himself made a tu quoque fallacy by criticising Vimoh of it, I can't even... 💀
It's like that spiderman meme (both pointing towards each other), + he also assumed vimoh's an gnostic atheist
@@thimbaiah9005 Well said. Vimoh never even made a positive claim for God's inexistence. He just assumed Vimohs position and ran with it.
Bro please help me understand where please. I'm trying to get better at spotting logical fallacy😅, I couldn't catch this one...can you please give me timestamp
@@mayb8876 4:03. Essentially the Muslim guy said "We ask atheists for evidence but they are lazy". As Pranav explained, Atheism isn't a positive claim so atheists don't have to give any evidence in the first place. The muslim guy shifted the burden of proof on Vimoh, essentially doing the exact thing he accused Vimoh of. Because it is Theists who are making a positive claim and they are the ones who need to provide evidence. In short, he literally said "I don't have evidence for Islam, but what is your evidence for Atheism?? You have none". Basic whataboutery which is also Tu Quoque.
logical fallacy and circular argument fallacy is a key of a Islamic apologist
Talk about morality most theist parents doesn't even know what mental health is. Most of them are like pray to god or your stars are not good and other religious bs.
The infamous "depression kuch nhi hota bachho ko do chaate maro sab thik ho jaega"
@@thimbaiah9005and when the child suffers some mental illness they think they're possessed.
@@harsh9023 Exactly lmao, doctor ki maggi jew lekin mera tantrik to sab theek kar hi dega
@@thimbaiah9005but there are no cure for depression
there is a cure but it only works once@@subhadeepghosh3961
Does he believe in unicorns or spaghetti monsters? No? Can he provide evidence they don't exist? 🙃
I am an atheist too and have been listening to too much of Richard Dawkins
Now even hearing the word spagheti monster or wotan irritates me 🤬🤬
@@Hemalkukurkure Then don't listen too much Dawkins 🫠
@@mithilbhoras5951 why? U don't like him?
@@Hemalkukurkure I do, I was just joking. I do disagree with him on some things. He basically says that religion is completely useless but I don't agree, even if I am an atheist myself.
well religion can be used to justify attrocities against people you don't like...@@mithilbhoras5951
No no he wasn't targeting him based on competence, it was much more shallow than that. He was saying that he is not that famous(mashoor).
What is shallow and deep here
I don't see a problem with the term "agnostic atheist".
It's a perfectly reasonable term, it basically means, I am an atheist, but I also acknowledge that no one can be 100% certain
Actually that is the atheist position. Atheist position in itself is an agnostic one. "God does not exist" is a theist strawman imposed on the atheists.
That is why, many atheists have to come out and clearly state that their's is an agnostic position.
Tldr- Agnostic atheist position = atheist position
We don't even need your validation 😉
I’ve been a devoted theist and believed GOD is everything, until my father got sick and only thing that made it possible for him to recover is science and money and my mother’s sacrifices (apparently had to sell some of her jewels). No one came not any godmen neither any ‘GOD’. Maybe there is some supreme being but one thing that I realised they are not even bothered about our well being, because they are not different than us, I would not be bothered if some micro bacteria is dying somewhere, we are the same to that supreme being. They only people who are benefiting are frauds and scammers like GODmen , people who are too afraid to face the reality often seek shelter in these false hopes theses godmen spreading, like jannat jahannum, god will make everything right ect
Hmm, Deist?
Met you today, sir. I am glad a lot of others came too.
Pranav, Love your content brother. Keep it up. More power to you.
when vimoh and pranav come together, video becomes intresting and overwhelmed.👍😍
1:21 mashoor means popular, famous, well known.
mashoor means "famous"
9:50
I think morality varies through societies,
Perhaps morality doesn't stems from empathy but the overall safety of the society.
In the places where living conditions are that hospitable you tend to have very cruel punishments for people, whereas the easier the life gets the easier is the punishment.
Channel named Smile 2 Jannah should give evidence of Jannah before asking evidence from others.
Correction. You can prove the non-existance of illogical things like married bachelor.
For a comprehensive understanding, watch his recent video addressing questions from Vimoh, which closely align with yours.
I was thinking about the "you cannot prove non-existence of anything". Why though?
I can say with absolute certainity that a working water pump that doesn't pump water, is non-existent, based on the very contradiction I made first, that 1. It's a working water pump, by definition it is supposed to pump water, and 2. Next line contradicts exactly what I mentioned earlier, that it doesn't pump water. Yes, there are things that don't pump water, but are they water pump anymore?
With the same line of thought, if I describe the characteristics of something, and I cannot observe anything related to the characteristics of that something in first place, I can say that something we are talking about, in the contexted presented, doesn't exist.
A Unicorn doesn't exist because it is agreed that it kinda looks like a horse, but has a tusk like a narwhal on the head.
We have observed the realm that unicorn could exist in (Land and Air), and there is no unicorn anywhere, no radars have spotted one.
So we can say that unicorn doesn't exist, and the burden of the proof of existence is on the one making the claim.
If I misunderstood this, could you please make a video on this too?
The sentence "a working water pump that doesn't pump water" is an oxymoron..
It's either a working water pump, or not..
You can say "which is not pumping water"..
Because in that case , we are talking about a specific time frame, where the pump is not pumping water.
All I am saying is etymological the sentence is flawed.
Just because we didn't observe any unicorn on the surface of the earth, doesn't allow us to conclude unicorn doesn't exist.
(Assuming we have thoroughly searched on the earth surface), the only calim we can make with confidence is that, "there is no alive unicorn on the earth surface at this moment". You can't claim unicorn didn't exist in the past. You can't claim they won't exist anywhere on the universe. What you searched is on the earth surface so make calim only limited to that.
You can prove nonexistence of something surely
@@Lonewolf-xv1bl We can claim that there was no unicorn based on the fact that there is no evidence for it. The existence of unicorn is to be given by someone who claims that it exists, in which case the burden of proof is on the person making the claim. Negative claims don't mean that you go out and scour the entire universe to prove it doesn't exist.
For Example: Someone saying god exists is an extraordinary claim, aka existence of a super being that controls everything we know exactly how we know it to be and it has the power to create or destroy something and influence human affairs too.
Existence of such a being was never proved and never will be, because it doesn't exist, there is no contradiction in evidence against this, so for all intents and purposes, god doesn't exist as we don't see any of the works this super being is supposed to do, or any side effects of this. What does this mean? It doesn't exist. If you say it might exist and I don't believe in one, prove how it might exist and anything shrouded in mystery which could be works of such being.
I am inventing a mythical creature 101 legged mosquito with head as big as planet and heart and brain small as lump of cells. Is it possible for you to say this doesn't exist?
I know it doesn't exist because I just made it up.
When defining "God" do agnostic individuals adopt the theistic perspective, or do they have other interpretations?
They don't know
Real @@hogriderhogw1696
If we're talking to another person about their god we'll adopt their perspective about what their god, gods, universal spirit, etc. for the discussion. Personally though, we don't take a position since we don't know what if any would be the right one.
Theistic ? .. please elaborate...
Because there are many theologies, and we agnostics, have the same feeling for all of them
Near the end the hindi/urdu eords meant that if you are in a society where it is okay to eat human flesh then does that make it okay.
Hey Pranav please schedule a online debate with him
10:36 we r not rejected not a single verse of Quran and if any one reject it then it will out of islam !you athiest does not have any morality !you r making desigion on the basis of your desire !
he was talking about eating human flesh
appreciate the desire for proof Pranav 🤗 please take better care of language
theory is not enough never enough thanks for helping me stay grounded
Will you collab with kushal mehra from the carvaka podcast?
Mashur means "Famous"
Last example is out of way, for a deeper insight into objections on the Quran explore the Muslim perspective on this
You have summoned the musician, although not for musical reasons. Mash-hoor just means "famous".
Mashoor means 'popular'
Pam Reynolds case , can you make a video on it ? Or any fellow atheist clarify ?
Here's the wiki summary for the case:
Pam Reynolds Lowery (1956 - May 22, 2010), from Atlanta, Georgia, was an American singer-songwriter. In 1991, at the age of 35, she stated that she had a near-death experience (NDE) during a brain operation performed by Robert F. Spetzler at the Barrow Neurological Institute in Phoenix, Arizona. Reynolds was under close medical monitoring during the entire operation. During part of the operation she had no brain-wave activity and no blood flowing in her brain, which rendered her clinically dead. She claimed to have made several observations during the procedure which medical personnel reported to be accurate.
Within the field of near-death studies and among those who believe in life after death, the case has been cited as well-documented and significant, with many proponents considering it to be evidence of the survival of consciousness after death. An anesthesiologist who examined the case offered anesthesia awareness as a more prosaic and conventional explanation for such claims. Reynolds died from heart failure at the age of 53 on May 22, 2010, at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia.
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Basically, a woman died during an operation and claimed to have experienced being outside of her body looking on at the operation and then briefly went to the afterlife and met her relatives, came back, etc. Some people will use this as their 'proof' that conciousness exists separate from the body and that there's an afterlife. NDE's vary by a person's beliefs and by the people themselves.
Dude, if you don't understand the meanings of a few Urdu/Hindi words, search them, understand what he's saying and do a perfect analysis. Don't say I think he's saying this/that and conclude that he's wrong. If not, it shows that you are already having a solid prejudice to oppose so and so person, no matter what. Don't become the so called "blind rationalist". Vimoh is so matured, he listens to others, understands and he knows what he is speaking with perfect analogies. Try to learn a bit from him as well.
Dude I've heard his stuff in english. I know his viewpoint
Ok cool bro but one MIGHT be saying something totally different from their video if you don't understand what that person is saying (even a word/sentence).. I'm just advising you to have a perfect analysis! I support all your rational thoughts.. Kudos to all the hard work you put in :)
Tbh the few positions the guy took in english is enough to call all the bs😂😂. Props to pranav for doing all these. I will be dead listening to all these non sense in 1 week. Let alone make a video every day.
Dude, learn to be polite first.
Quite arrogant..
One other Pakistani guy reacted to your reaction of his video on other channel
Hey Pranav! Glad to see that you are also dealing with these type of $#17$ anyway, first I thought you are running and anti hindu channel but now I learned the reality. Go ahead man!
Sigh... yet another theist strawmaning the very definition of Atheism. It's like they just don't understand what it means.
Mashoor = Famed/Popular I think. He is referring to Vimoh as not so popular or famous but uses it as if its competency
Pranav needs to do more research on atheism & also on Islam. Because he does not understand or have knowledge of both of them. That reflects in this reaction
'Atheism and islam' 😂
@@buzztube1738Check the last reply of zeeshan to Vimoh because his questions are similar as Parnav's...
Also check my miraculous Qur'an playlist in your free time, u may learn something new.
Those who claim that god exists, its their responsibility to give us authentic clear evidences proof about god' existences.
There are ways to prove a negative though, such as deriving contradictions. No?
The "laced with humor" in that guy's about already told me he wont be funny
Bro what chair you have?
Choota bheem cartoon is evidence of dholakpur 😂😂
Mashoor is an urdu word which means "popular".
I feel sorry to see person like Pranav/Vimoh (a fine scholar who always tries to explain in intellectual basis) for wasting time on such person whose sole qualification is being illogical or religious.
Hi Pranav, talking about morality, please check this video, the Satan's guide to Bible.
objective morality is last thing I wanna listen from hardcore muslim, who will defend thier prpophet who is a possible groomer
All religions have pretty bad thing accept jainism but islan has the most violent inherent characters
@@Devilhunter69I can tell a lot of bad things present in Jainism too.
@@BuddhistRajput could you list few ?
@@preetgamer1495 1. **Asceticism and Extreme Austerity:** Critics argue that Jainism's emphasis on extreme ascetic practices, such as prolonged fasting and self-mortification, may be impractical and potentially harmful to individuals.
2. **Non-Participation in Social Affairs:** Jain monks and nuns often withdraw from active participation in social and economic activities. Critics contend that this detachment might hinder the positive contributions that individuals could make to society.
3. **Emphasis on Non-Violence:** While non-violence (ahimsa) is a central tenet of Jainism, critics suggest that the strict interpretation of this principle, including avoidance of harm to all living beings, may be too idealistic and challenging to implement in the real world.
4. **Concept of Karma:** Critics question the elaborate Jain concept of karma, arguing that it might be overly complex and metaphysical, lacking empirical evidence or practical relevance in understanding human behavior.
5. **Rejection of a Creator God:** Some criticize Jainism for rejecting the existence of a creator God, contending that this absence of a divine being may lead to a lack of moral guidance for its followers.
6. **Isolationist Tendencies:** Jain communities sometimes exhibit a tendency towards isolation from mainstream society, which critics argue could limit the cultural exchange and integration with diverse ideas.
7. **Multiplicity of Deities:** Although Jainism recognizes multiple deities in its cosmology, critics may find this intricate pantheon confusing or unnecessary, especially when compared to simpler monotheistic systems.
8. **Ritualistic Practices:** Some critics argue that the elaborate rituals and ceremonies in Jainism may be overly formalistic and may not necessarily contribute to spiritual development.
9. **Gender Roles:** Traditional Jain society has been criticized for its conservative gender roles, particularly the limitations imposed on women, both in terms of religious practices and societal expectations.
10. **Economic Impact:** Critics may argue that Jainism's emphasis on non-possession and non-attachment might hinder economic progress, as it discourages material pursuits that are often considered essential for societal development.
@@BuddhistRajputlike?
The most violent thing I've ever heard about Jainism is that if you wear cloths you can kill small insects that are stuck in cloth
Pranav Mashoor means popular.
11:18 he says that cannibalism will also not be wrong for an atheist. but idk he s a bit crazy he just rambling abt stuff without a proper language structure so its hard to comprehend what he is up to.
Ah yes the cannibalism argument 😂 All secular countries it seems endorse it and have a beautiful cannibalism culture! ❤
@@mithilbhoras5951 idk broo what was that guy on at least one should prepare a proper sentence before addressing anyone crazy fr
Yes popular athiests like Richard Dawkins admit there is n9thing wrong with be@stiality so why would c@nnibalism be an issue?
@@aarizshaikh9724 bruuh u are talking like they are some religious leaders and atheism is a religion and whatever some people say is right. idk abt them but i ve a conscience i ve myself to blame if i do anything wrong also there are capital punishments. i m pretty sure, atheism is practised by logic and empirical evidence rather than authority
mashoor means popular.
Such theists are irritating. They are arrogant, they want to answer us, in place of listening us with open minded.
0:26 being fake in a real world would be apt
Mashoor means famous or popular.
Yes, Theists tend to misunderstand this Morality thing so much and use it in their narratives.
Morality is man made. That helps us decide the objective morality in the given scenario.
All the heinous crimes we do is nothing if we consider the size of this universe.
But as humans, we have empathy. We can understand the pain and misery that other humans are going through.
That's why morality is only a human concept, and not applicable to animals.
We consider "collective wellbeing" of our kind while creating morals.
What the f*ck is meant by "all the heinous crime is nothing if we compare the size of universe?" Huh?
Self explanatory. Also it is "consider the size of universe" not " compare the size of universe"
All the war crimes, r*pes, etc.
Human life is as insignificant as a Sloth in this universe.
Living with this mentality is toxic.
We have empathy which helps us build our morals.
Human morality isn't a logically consistent either. We think killing someone is bad, yet we kill animals for food. We are hypocrites and we differentiate pets with chickens and cows.
Uh no, by that logic everyone believes what is good or bad. That is absolute horseshit. I mean, if tankies in North Korea have different view on morality than the people in most of the democratic world, we can safely conclude that either there is no objective morality or there is morality given by God or some shit.
So there is a way to get that evidence. Why don't you experience god yourself and if you are asking for some kind of physical evidence of god you are asking for the wrong thing as God is beyond this physical realm .
Just like my imaginative contents are beyond this space time i cannot prove you physically that i just imagined a white unicorn but it doesn't mean that it is false
are you high on drugs?
You don't know meaning of chamdi?
Qaiser Ahmed Raja made a reaction video on you (science is a dope).
Make a reply.
I dont see that video
So your grandfather are chipangi
sorry to say allah and bhagwan doesn't exist 😢😢
mashoor means famous,his pronounciation was a bit weird
mashoor means famous
love your video dude!! I used to be atheist but not anymore as religion brought more peace in my life, you made a little mistake in 3:43....False Equivalence fallacy brother so that example you used about harry potter is a very weak argument but also is a fallacy!
People who follow hogwartsism and read harry potter holy books everyday :
I am a follower of DC religion. Superman, Batman, Aquaman, etc are my gods.
@@BuddhistRajput marvel and DC are omnithiestic. Btw current most powerful gods in grant Morrison's DC cosmology are paralaya and brahma and they are Indian gods 🗿. He retconned the previous vertigo cosmology which was based on Christian theology
@@johnconstantine8574 spaghetti monster is the only true god you will soon realise......
Ramen
Cringe.
pranav can you pee on god idol? if you are so certain about your atheism 😂. actually I'm asking because one of my friend asked me to do infront of him don't know how to answer this kind of question 😅. I lost to him.
3:43 be little more sensitive. I don't want u to be gunned down in the name of blasphemy.
Bhai they are bullies so inko esse hiy reply Krna inki juban mein ✌️
mashure == famous
have a conversation with him. he has provided proof foo god in other videos. his point with objective morality is really good. as an atheist/agnostic you dont have objective morality. what if you meet someone who thinks murder is okay, then you have no way of proving each other right or wrong. as an atheist how do you confront caanibalism/incest/ murder etc
Incest, murder, cannibalism was mostly done by theists for the purpose of some ritual and to keep the line pure or some shit like that… every single war was either started or funded by religion in some way
There is no such thing as objective morality because the concept of right and wrong is actually created we humans and this concept of right and wrong only exists in the mind of human beings.
Now if you misrepresent this argument, you'll say that I'm trying to justify murder or something like that. But actually I didn't say that doing anything like that is fine. I just said that the concept of right and wrong is created by us.
@@shreyyadav8809 okay, then why dont you say murder is fine? and the same goes for cannibalism/incest etc. because if you have no objective morality, or if you dont beleive it exist then you dont have any reason to go against these ideas. you would have to accept that these extreme actions are just as moral as their counterparts. the fact that genrally all people would have th esame opinions on theese points is a proof for objective moralty. how can people from different backgrounds/religions end up on a extremly similar morality? we have an innate compass that tells us what is wrong and what is right
@@mcnoscope7940Is an act moral because God approves of it, or does God approve of it because it is moral?
And there is no such thing as objective morality.We have seen morality evolve with time like most things(you're most likely religious so check out some of your own scriptures for confirmation eg child marriage, slavery,etc if you're a Muslim)
Also the reason we can criticize these things is that they clearly go against our axiomatic desires which would include looking after our well being, minimizing suffering which in itself is ingrained in us through evolutionary processes (you can't really disagree with this)
And most of our moral stands are based on this thing and that's one of the reason things like moral licensing,moral dissonance exist
For anyone to come and say murder is right would mean he is going against this very notion of right for everyone else and hence we collectively say that the person is crazy as we will again prioritise maximizing our well being and hence punish such people or something
So saying person is objectively wrong is pretty much a simpler approach as the collective good will be favoured
All of the "proofs" he has given are either argument from personal incredulity or non sequiturs. They make sense only when you are a follower to being with since he'll simply assume most of the stuff
And his views on morality are stupid and laughable(he just yaps wherever the fuck he wants and nearly everything he says is simple an appeal to emotion)
Beside he is hypocritical(check out the video by NateTalksToYou) and will say anything to make islam sound good
I was a huge fan of zeeshan and hijab for a long time
3:33 You said god exists is a positive claim. But both are positive claims. Refusing to believe that God exists due to lack of proof is not a positive claim however.
How are you even countering his point if you don't even understand hindi?
No he does brother. He is just pretending I think
He has watched his english videos and can understand the gist of what the guy is tryna say in hindi.
He can read subtitles
He does know, but you can't expect to someone, to whom Hindi is a third language, to know the meaning of each and every words.
Dont you guys think, whoever is reading this comments, there should be a necessary being for existence?
Did the universe come into being by itself or is it always existing or there must be a cause for it to exist? There has to be an answer..
You cannot say it came into existence on its own or the universe created the universe ,its illogical . If you really think about it, the phone that you are using now can you ever believe it exists by its own? No somebody has created the phone. So it cannot exist by its own..
Now if you believe the universe is always existing then its also a fallacy since we know the universe is expanding and we even know the age of it now some 13.8 Billion, so that means it cannot be always existing..
since it has started and even now expanding.so you cannot say it was always there...
Now the third point
Something has to cause the universe to exist.
People conceive things or accept something to be true if that has some evidence or logic..
For example if you want to calculate the sum 1+2+3+4+5+....+30Quintillion or Zillion
We can calculate it using a simple math formula. Since it is logical we accept it, we dont really physically count Quintillion of things to verify it.
Similarly evidence does not mean it has to be physical..We do not have physical evidence of gravity but we feel it and through logic we believe it to be true.
Since the universe is not always existing or it cannot be created by itself, so there must be a cause a supreme being that caused the universe to exist. We simply say The Creator or God.
Now if you ask okay then who created god?
Okay even if I assume somebody else has created god, then again it would be who created that somebody..so it would be who created god then who created that god and then who created that that god and so on..it became a chain..A infinite regress
Now since we exist, the universe exist then that chain must stop somewhere...otherwise we would cease to exist..
For your understanding what I said,
Suppose you want to travel somewhere so you ask permission from person A, but that person also asks permission from person B, B asks C, C asks D,D asks E and so on..................
Now can you ever go to travel? Since the chain of asking permission from the other person is an infinite regress, you would never get the permission..
So for you to get the permission the chain must end somewhere . As in the example if Person A gave you the permission or C gave you the person then you would be able to travel..
Similarly in the case of universe the chain of cause must end somewhere and we call that supreme being or creator.
no
bro you could also start making science videos like engineering explained and veritasium yourself ....kind of getting bored with these 'exposed the pseudoscience' videos
Check my main channel
You want evidence of the truth of Islam in a few seconds?😂
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Nah bro ,this time you failed it, yeah I'm muslim but this is my honest review ,I have seen you speak against Muslim scholars like Zakir Naik and when you were right ,i accepted that but this ,anyone who's sees your video can say that you were highly on offense this time.
i think he should be more offensive
nah he did it correctly.The time when he spoke about the morality is when i lost all his credibility
Ironically, a Theist is talking about logical fallacies.
Pam Reynolds case , can you make a video on it ? Or any fellow atheist clarify ?
What's that case?
@@udhayveersingh1855 search about it
@@jitbarman7109vimoh doing live u can always join