Is the RTX 4090 OverRated | RTX 4080 vs RTX 4090
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- Today we discuss if the RTX 4090 is overrated or not. We compare gaming performance to the RTX 4080 Gigabyte Aero OC with the PNY RTX 4090 XLR8.
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🎬Chapters
🕒 0:00 - RTX 4090 is Overrated
🕒 1:55 - Why the PNY RTX 4090 XLR8
🕒 2:42 - PNY RTX 4090 XLR8 Vertical Mount Lancool 3
🕒 3:02 - PNY RTX 4090 XLR8 Backplate
🕒 3:23 - PNY 4090 Power Draw 450w TDP
🕒 4:21 - PNY RTX 4090 XLR8 Dimensions
🕒 5:03 - PNY RTX 4090 XLR8 Coil Whine
🕒 5:42 - Optimum Tech GPU Coil Whine? Try This.
🕒 5:57 - RTX 4090 COD MW2 Benchmark Thermals
🕒 7:37 - Why use a FPS limit
🕒 8:05 - PC Hardware Used for Testing
🕒 8:33 - OBS Impacts FPS and GPU Performance
🕒 9:00 - Assassins Creed Valhalla 4K RTX 4090 vs RTX 4080
🕒 10:00 - God of War 2018 4K RTX 4090 vs RTX 4080
🕒 11:16 - Halo Infinite 4K RTX 4090 vs RTX 4080
🕒 12:29 - Spider-Man Remastered 4K RTX 4090 vs RTX 4080
🕒 13:47 - Is The RTX 4090 Overrated
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Random Q, what camera do you use? I am looking to create more talking head videos and currently using the iPhone 14 Pro and a gimbal.
Any 4090 is going to be amazing...... taking advice from somone who as only owned/tested one and is poiably still in the honeymoon stage is not a great idea. For most products anyway unless you are benchmarking i dont think the different clock speeds matter much. Just the coolers, build quality and aftermarket support (i.e. driver support, customer support and return policys)
@@shaggymanson5375 if you plan on overclocking power delivery matter and power limit matters as well but at stock, like you said just about all 4090s are within margin of error and have overbuilt coolers
@@FIVESTRZ I’m sorry. I just saw this. I use the Cannon M200. I record in 1080p 60 and I render out at 4K 60.
@@ErockOnTech it looks really good to me honest. Thought it was more along the lines of a 4K
I bought the 4090 when it first came out. I just thought that it would of been ridiculous if I bought the 4080 when I can spend a few hundreds more to get 4090. If I was willing the spend that much for 4080, might as well go for the best.
Makes sense if that’s the price difference. When I went to buy a GPU in Australia a few months ago the 4090 Suprim X cost $825 USD more than the Suprim X 4080 (65% more expensive). For someone that games at 1440p ultrawide, I couldn’t justify the extra cost.
I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't agree with this. I own a 7900XTX and when I bought it, the gap between 7900XT and 7900XTX was as little as $40 Canadian. In terms of making choices easy and hard, the US has it much more difficult than I did as a Canadian. On that note, the choice between the 7900XTX and the 4090 was easy as well. The 4090 was and is $1000 cad more than the 7900XTX. That choice kind of like the XT to XTX was a no brainer, just using reverse logic.
If I compare the 7900XTX with a 4080, the choice gets foggy. It's around $200 more for a 4080. I could have convinced myself to buy a 4080. The only thing that upset the apple cart for nVidia was the 24GB of VRam on the 7900XTX.
In the end I accept that I got drunk on the kool-aid. 7900XTX is a flex buy. I play on a 1440, 144hz 32" monitor and I did not need a 24GB 7900XTX. Feels good to test stuff like American Truck Sim and Way of the Hunter and actually be able to play them at 8K 70-80fps but that is flex. The 4090 is also flex. It's the king of flex. Bad games will still suck, good games will still be fun. On a 3060, 6600, 7900, 4090.
@@OcihEvE the funny thing is, when the 4080 came out. I thought it was such a bad strategy by nvidia with the pricing of the 4080. Amd came out after with the 7900xt and Xtx and made the same mistake with the pricing. I couldn’t believe amd did the same stupid thing with their price strategy (I think AMD price gap was even closer if I remember right. 100 vs 300 at release). I think you did the right thing with getting the 7900xtx. The price gap was too close to pick the XT.
That's exactly what nVidia wanted.
I went with the 4080 to get the 16gb vram and I don't want a 450w+ card.
Looking at the specs and the card's performance, it's definitely not overrated. It's just overpriced.
People who say this are retarded because there has never been a time where price wasn’t a part of the equation. If something cost too much, then it’s overrated just because the thing works doesn’t change that!
Any card is good if priced right tho.
@@gauravnegi6857 Not really. I wouldn't want and couldn't use anything sub-xx60 from NVidia even if they sold it for 10 bucks.
@@1SaG nah you're lying you'll get a 9$ 3050
"There are no bad gpus, there are badly priced gpus"
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Hey, just wanted to ask about how you covered up the stickers on the fan side of the card? Thinking about getting a PNY 4080 or 4090 and wanted to know.
I got the 4090 to future proof my PC, with 24G it should still be good after 5 years.
hi nice review. What's the utlity called that you use on the top left? that's not from Nvidia, right?
Great Video thanks :) I happen to own a PNY 4070 Ti and wanted to ask how you covered up the red fan Stickers ?
Confused at how anyone could say the 4090 is overated, it literally has no competition, if the other gpu manufacturers had something to compete with it you could say its overpriced and over rated....but when its in a league of its own performance wise you dont really have a point.
looking to upgrade my cpu i-7 12600k and mobo msi mpg z690 edge wifi ddr4 to and am5 socket what do you recommend with my rtx4080 msi card gaming x trio
There's no 'bad' 4090. Your PNY one will be fine at stock settings. Where you would have problems is with overclocking - the VRM implementation is inferior / cut down when compared to some of the higher end models. To summarise, so long as you are running stock settings you will notice no difference whichever 4090 you use. It's all in the overclocking potential which isn't really worth while anyway. I have an ASUS one which does have the full 600w capability but I don't plan on overclocking. I've never seen it draw more than about 350-375W.
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my 7900xtx stock with power slider maxed out consumes 475-520 watts :o
crazy
Overated? No. Overpriced? Absolutely. Overkill? Damn right
I am most Likely going 4090 soon, love to see your thoughts on it with 21:9 :) I would consider going 4K from a 3440x1440p screen, however I can't see any 4k monitors that are around 27 "to 32" with OLED ? I don't want to go 42" or above as the PPI just becomes the same as a 34" 21:9 screen, so little point,
I never go past 32" as that seems to be the max size to quality from what I've seen personally
Pretty much in agreement with everything you said, regardless of whether or not there's any coil whine I'm all for limiting frames, no point in using extra electricity and getting higher temperatures when you're not really benefiting from it.
How do you show the stats on the upper left side like that?
Most people complaining about 4090 don't even have 4090 or even an expensive card. 4090 has no competition in the market. Its a premium card with premium price tag. Can't afford it, don't cry about it.
To add to this: you don't buy a 4090 for 1080p (or even 4k) gaming. It's genuinely difficult to not be CPU bottlenecked above a 4080/7900XTX on basically any monitor.
You buy one because you can, because of VR, or because you update less frequently (the 5080 isn't likely to exceed its performance, and I don't think a 5090 is going to give much more than a 30% uplift).
Whats the model number on your pc case?
I had originally wanted the 4080 until friends told me that the 4090 is better at a price to performance ratio. I didnt regret it and i think the extra cost was worth it. Part of the justification is the fact that this is the first Titan class GPU I have ever owned in my decades of PC gaming.
interesting... it will also be my first Titan class GPU... but it is also my first ever GPU 😊
The 4080 costs 1280€
The 4090 at least 1850€
How is the performance price ratio better?
It's based on higher framrates especially with ray-tracing enabled. It's basically down to CUDA cores : the 4090 has 16,384 while the 4080 has 9,728.
@@artyboy1377 ok ty for your answer. I think I will go with the 4090.
@@sonic-th966 price to performance is actually similar for both cards if you consider their prices AFAIK 33% more for 33% increase increase in performance. You should never only consider only card prices.
Lets say your build costs 2600$ with the 4080 and 3000$ with the 4090. Now its a 15% addition in price for a 33% increase in performance.
Edit: Unless and it goes without saying you have set aside a budget for yourself.
I bought the 4090 MSI Suprim x and it had a coil whine for 3-4 weeks and ran quietly afterward. Still working after 4 months.
Good on you brother. I'm glad that you are not getting stuck on the weeds (i.e. brand purchase, type, etc.) and are focusing on the larger picture of.....actually owning and testing the 4090.
Oh does that pny card come with a gpu support bracket/stand?
I got rid of my coil whine with a 1200w power supply. When you have a lot of overhead it seems to kill the coil whine I've noticed and I haven't seen a lot of people talking about that fact they just suggest an under-volt and a FPS cap instead.
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how did you cover the red on the fans?
What is your opinion on the different cards in laptops?
can i ask , do the 4090s or just any gpu have differences in performance when they are different models or are all gpus the same despite them being different models and having price differences.
Great question! So it’s basically a limited range of performance differences. Essentially, all 4090s are 4090s for example. So they all have a base level of performance they will hit. From there, different models have 3 ways they can be different. This includes looks, out of the box clock speeds, and their cooling solution. Looks are just looks and have no impact on performance. Out of the box clock speeds can make a small difference in performance. Ideally, the higher the clock speed, the more fps you get. The biggest difference is the cooler. Different cards are colder than others. Also, the cooler can impact noise levels as well. But mostly, all GPUs are within a certain range of each other. Look up 4090 roundup or 4070 roundup here on CZcams. You’ll see how small the differences are between GPUs.
I have a 2080 super, can’t decide which gpu to get, looking to upgrade for Starfield
Was that one of the GA locations for Microcenter?
Yes, the Marietta location.
Hey , can somebody just should i buy rtx 3060 or 4060 both are in my budget I'm building a new pc and I'm confused as helll i dont know should i go with rtx 4060 or rtx 3060
I got that PNY one but 4080, and it has been a fantastic card, i love the rgb detail on it! Going from a 1660 Ti it was a HUGE boost of performance
You went from a car, to a rocket ship 🚀
@@FIVESTRZbro went from walking to flying
@@Canadian.Reacts right! Love to see it
I wanna join you too in the sky lol, I currenty have a mini zotac 1060 6gb in a hp workstation, It's serviceable and respectable for only being a $300 build but not even close to what I want now, I'm trying to go for 1440p 120+ frames on max settings now, overhauling even my keyboard to a whooting and my LG 1080p 144hz monitor to the new LG oled 1440p 240hz, It's gonna be awesome but I'm currently saving up to snag the 4080 maybe in the used market as I won't have to spend close to $1200 on it brand new
Just curious to see how you guys would go about building the PC, I still need a MOBO, CPU, RAM, CASE and the monitor but I'd get it after I build the PC
what would you guys get first and why?
Joel, the 4070ti is a sub 1000k and pulls over 100 fps in 1440p. It's about 18-22 frames lower than a 4080, but would you notice if you're already at 130? VRAM issues I can't really speak on. Personally, I did my build with a microcenter deal with a 7700x, asRock board and tossed in a 4070ti. AM5 and the AMD 7000 is amazing for the price and the X3D model is the best gaming CPU at the moment.@@joel3683
How did you sell your 4080? Was it local? I’m in Georgia as well and may be looking to sell my 6800. Need a safe and reliable way.
Yeah it was local Facebook marketplace
I'm encountering an unusual problem while gaming. Despite disabling notifications, I'm hearing the notification sound randomly. Strangely, when this happens, if I press any movement key like W, A, S, or D and then remove my finger from the button, my character continues to move on its own. How can I troubleshoot and resolve this perplexing issue?
Wow that's quite a unique issue, to me it sounds like some USB controller issue, have you tried unplugging every other connection but the keyboard?
@@fin4658 I tried.
Thank you for working so hard on this video!!
Thank you for appreciating my work.
Thats a cool PC case, can you tell me what its called?
I'm getting ready to do a Lian-Li A4-420 mini ITX 11L case build.. the smallest 4090 I found for these small cases was the Asus TUF 4090 OC.. at 325mm. Its the best option outside of the FE and Suprim Liquid X. If you happen to be doing a small build.
That card sitting vertically in there looks so dope, red or white X I think that would look sweeet but I’m not too too particular when it comes to my rgb lights matching lmao as long as they work and I have the ability to change it I’m happy that looks sick man solid work!!
It would have been nice to see a cost per frame or cost per watt comparison. I don't think it's a secret that the RTX 4090 is a better card but (as a consumer) it's nice to know if the additional money invested will be worth the additional money spent versus a lower cost option.
There's no real benefit to that, he's not testing a range of 4080 and 4090 cards. If you want those numbers, they're widely available all over the internet, on places like tech power up.
I can save you some time and tell you you'll be screwed trying to get a per watt cost, that varies by location, unless you're specifically interested Erock's power bill for some reason? Would be weird, but I've seen weirder on the internet. 😂
It has 30 more fps for 400$ more
@@blueboy3990 That isn't even close to being accurate.
4080 * 1. 36 = 4090 since the 4090 is a 36% performance increment over the 4080
Multiply the price of the 4080 by 1.36. If the result is lower than 4090's price, then the cost per frame of the 4090 is worse and that difference is just paying for no performance.
How dare you spend your money the way you want. Enjoy!
Edit: If you ever want to change the color, just use vinyl wrap as you won't be limited to just solid colors. Plus, a wrap won't void your warranty.
Can you show UV settings?
I thought the 3090 was powerful till I got the 4090 as I wasn't expecting it to bitch slapped the 4090 back to the 2080..😊
Lol
hey man, really love your work!! do you think that the rtx 4060 is worth it? I have a budget of 1200 dollars
4060 is entering the 3080ti,3090 and 3090ti range in terms of performance
I have an all white 4090 build. My specs are for the gpu the white/silver gigabyte aero oc (the 4090 version of the gpu shown in the beginning of the video), for the cpu the 7800x3d, for the ram white corsair vengeance 4 sticks of 16 gigs of ddr5 64 gigs at 6,000 mhz, the case is the full tower white phanteks nv7, for the aio a white corsair h150, 9 white phanteks d20 or d30 fans, a 2023 1,000 watt corsair power supply, the motherboard is the nzxt b650e. My monitor is the 2021 lg c1 oled tv at 65 inches 120hz so I also limit the frame rate to 120 but I will see what I can get when I do not limit the fram rate at 2k maxed out with and without ray tracing and the same for native 4k. When I do play games the 4090 runs everything easily which is what I wanted the best of the best. The build cost at the time of purchase was 3,885 and that is with tax, shipping, etc.
I was originally going to buy a 4080, but the 4090 launched first and seeing them selling out quickly prompted me to grab one instead. Everything you said in this video I completely agree with. Really glad I went for it instead of the 4080 in the end.
Its shame how little we get for 60% CUDA increase.
@@filippetrovic845 cpu bottlenecked wait for new gen of cpus
Thats like saying you're really glad you bought a Mercedes instead of a Toyota. The 4090 is double the price. Over a thousand dollars more. But you talk about it like you're glad you chose a Chevy over a Ford.
@@blastofo Yes, I am very glad. Had I bought anything else instead I would have regretted it.
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going to finaly build a new pc as the one i have has a 980, going to hold on and see if they anouce the 500 series by the end of this year or early next year
All my friends tell me a 4090 is overkill but seeing the benchmarks I’ll take it lol
Lol I used to think the same thing. Until I used it myself haha.
what would happen if you restrict both cards to 150w ?
i play at 1440p with my 4070ti. i never go above 100w in any game... while having 70-90 fps most of the games... not cyberpunkt and heavy path traced games of course
Glad my MSI GeForce RTX 4090 SUPRIM X has zero coil whine. Best card I have ever owned, the performance is spectacular! (upgraded from a GTX 1080, insane upgrade!)
I think what many reviews of the 4080 failed to understand is that its Dlss efficiency is far beyond the 30 series (due to the superior 4th gen tensor cores) and that Dlss is a massive advantage over FSR 2, and in most cases is equal if not better than native. So these 40 series cards - even the 4090 - are really designed to use Dlss. I have a 4080 that is brilliant, but I've actually been equally impressed by my laptop 4060, which in Dlss balanced or performance hits 60fps at 4k in most modern titles, while staying well within the 8gb vram limit. That's really insane, and it truly showcases how much further ahead the 40 series is.
too bad absolutely none of that matters since upscaling tech isn't available in most games. but good to know i guess
@@whiskizyo2067 It depends on the games you play I suppose but pretty much all recent AAA games have some form of temporal upscaling solution which is where it matters the most imo. Elden Ring is one that comes to mind that doesn't have any. Thinking about this years releases alone from Hogwarts legacy to RE4 Remake, Dead Space Remake, Exoprimal, Remnant 2, Lies of P, BG3, Returnal, Ratchet and Clank, Star Wars Jedi Survivor, , Need for Speed Unbound, Warhammer Darktide, Redfall, Dead island 2, Aliens Dark Descent and am sure there's probably a few others that have upscaling but those are some of the ones Ive played.
@@whiskizyo2067 why would you write something so misleading and confusing for people interested in buying modern cards? The tech is available in almost all modern visually demanding PC games, which is where that technology is actually useful. The fact that it is not available in most games, presumably referring to the thousands of games that were made prior to Dlss, is of course true but also largely irrelevant since all modern discreet GPUs are able to run older games without a problem. There might be a few outliers but presumably not many. I've had Radeon and NVIDIA cards and I'm not partial to either; I'm just stating relevant facts. There are I am sure smaller modern titles that don't support Dlss, and some outliers that have no upscaling options, and some like Starfield and Jedi Survivor (which are "AMD exclusive" titles) that support upscaling but not Dlss (in which case NVIDIA cards would still be just as capable if not more so if running this well), but the majority of AAA modern games support Dlss.
It's ridiculously overpriced for its offers who gives a shit
Hey Erock, I can't tell you how happy I am to see you review this particular PNY card mate... because naturally _I'd bought one too._ Lol. 😂👍👍👍
I'm new to pc gaming ,what program do you use for your fps overlay?
MSI Afterburner.
So I seen some guy selling a 4080 for 800 locally nothing wrong with it he just upgraded to the 4090 would it really be worth it spending 600 to 700 more just to get one?
Another great video, much obliged!
I've got the 3080 (for below msrp) and will hold out for the 50 series cards (or even hope that AMD/Intel can start competing at the high end)...
...tbh, the 3080's are a solid card, my only real complaint is the low memory. Newer games run fine, but I do have to tweak settings to work around the gpu memory constraints 😕
Thank you 🙏
Yes, the 3080 is still a solid card. Most 30 series owners should skip 40 series and wait for 50 series.
@@ErockOnTech absolutely
I'm going the pattern goes back to 10 series pricing
I am happy with my Asus Dual OC RTX 4070. Good on everything I do in my editing PC. Gaming I have a RTX 3070 which plays the games well that I play. I though which PC should I put me new card in? It came down to this the A1 encoder is not supported by my editing software. However, I want to use it for that. Which boils down the RTX 3070 will save files I can edit on the other PC and push them out as AV1. If I got rich and was able to get another card for my gaming PC it may be something with more ram than the 8g. I like to go 16g to 20g. But another RTX 4070 12g would be fine.
Well done on covering frame limit, power, and undervolting. I've not seen a single review cover all three of these. Thank you. ❤
Yeah it really helps me to consider the 4090 for the burst on some applications, but I don't want it to be so power hungry for everyday uses. Glad it's pretty efficient at many games too
Over-rated? no
Overpriced? Absolutely!
the pain is real dude! 💸💸💸
Is a 4090 rog strix openbox worth it for $1600?
yes
Basically when I had observed the gpu a year and a half ago I was convinced to purchase the 90 for being over half performance increase compared to the 3090. As im on the same situation regarding fps for a tv when capable I may consider a potential 240 fps monitor
your 7800x3d runs pretty cool, whats your undervolt?
PBO advanced. Curve optimizer. -45 all core. Except one core is -50. This will vary per CPU.
damn you got a really good chip, most ive seen people do is -35@@ErockOnTech
@@cryonic. I guess I got a bit lucky.
Excellent video man! The PNY 4090 honestly is amazing! I think that the others just don’t justify the higher cost for only 1-3% difference in performance! I think the important thing is here is that it can perform as well as it does with lower temps and it’s quiet! Also backed by a LONG warranty! Yea, I’d say PNY kills it with this!
What are you using to undervolt? Thanks man!
1-3% difference?
@@mv223 All those pre overclocked big brand name GPU's that cost 300 dollars more? You don't get much for it. Just overlock a cheaper card, it's not hard.
I've been thinking about selling my 4080 to go to a 4090. But I'm about to upgrade my whole system from a 5900x to a 7800x3d so I'll see if that alone gets me a boost in performance where I want to be and maybe I'll just stick with my 4080. I do really like it. It runs super cool.
I just built my first PC. 78003xd and a 4080. I haven't even really messed with settings yet and it runs 4k excellent. I would say wait until prices come down. It blows my PS5 away and that's all I care. All these gpus are extremely overpriced. 4090 is obviously better but I just don't really see why you need over 100 fps. All the games I have played feel excellent on my 4080. I'm also old and my eyes and reactions are not what they used to be.
@@jimmytimber7074it’s about longevity, you want your card to last as long as possible and odds are the 4090 will last a good 4 years at max 4k settings and then you’d have to dabble with DLSS for the next 3 years, then lower settings after that. This is so far above all the competition that the ps6 will 100% be inferior heck maybe even the ps6 pro.
5900x is def holding you back with a 4080.
What are you doing that your 4080 isn't able to keep up?
Got the PNY 4090 recently at Microcenter over the others because of size! The others are just a huge issue with case size.
Wtf how come when literally i cant find a case where you cant fit even the biggest model.
That's what I do with my 4090 as I too have an LG 4k OLED TV that tops out at 120Hz. The 4080 is good but the 4090 has a lot more headroom.
I am sure you can still have amazing experiences down at 1440p rather than 4k.
Below the 4080 you should look at the 7900 xt.
Hell even with 4080 depending on what your using it for I'd say go 7900 xtx before the 4080
"he 4080 is good but the 4090 has a lot more headroom"
Exactly, This right here. The headroom you have is insane. If a game comes out unoptimized on a lower gpu such as the 4070 Ti / 4080 your kinda up the creek, 4090 will still be able to push it nicely. MW3 might be one of those games for me so the 4090 would be a major key in that which I hear is made by SH and van guard wasn’t the best optimized game .
@@Dr_Angry depends on the price, if the price is similar i'd go with the 4080. superior upscaling same raster superior RT more efficient
@@DETERMINOLOGY Depends on the game... The 4090 can't run everything at max either and it hasn't been able to since path tracing. Maybe I'm just realizing how game development works now but I don't think there is such a thing as future proofing. Devs are building features into their games that no consumer gaming GPU can fully run at modern resolutions with just raw power.
@@aerrae5608 I wouldn’t keep buying 80 series nor 70 series which is more money. The 4090 can hold nicely if you don’t let unoptimized games make you wanna upgrade and everything isn’t based around 4k.
Since all 4090's were made for 600 watt Nvidia spec but in the end they only went to 450watt, pretty much every 4090 is overbuilt.
and then consider that the 4080 uses the same coolers 😂 they're WAY overbuilt
I think that is great actually. All cards are pretty much very low noise because of it.
Don't forget ur GPU stands tho! They r heavy cards!
Wrong i have seen 600 plus out of my card
@@JoeMama-yl1ow That must be an RTX 4090 with an overclock. I have never seen my card do that.
I grabbed the FE 4090 last year, upgrading from an RX 6900XT, it's deff not overrated. The 7900XTX or 4080 would not have been a justifiable upgrade to cap out 4k 144Hz.
it is the new 1080ti, but 450w power might not for everyone
If you plan to overclock it, yes it will go close to 500W in some games, but I've undervolted mine and set it to 80% power draw, with a bit of memory clock increased I get same, or greater performance than stock. And it stays below 350W all the time.@@iikatinggangsengii2471
@@iikatinggangsengii2471 Doubt that. 2080 Ti was nowhere close 2x faster than 1080 Ti. 5090 is rumored to be about 2x faster than 4090. Ray tracing still new tech so foolish to assume 4090 will last as long as 1080 Ti did.
when swapping 40 series cards, do you need to reinstall drivers?
Yes, since each gpu have their own unique driver, and preferably a clean installation too, meaning wiping the prior driver & installing the new one.
Just an fyi all 4090 cards can run 666 watts if you flash the BIOS onto it as they're all compatible/interchangeable, even without the need for extra 8x or the new 12x pins. 2x 8 pins are more than capable of pushing 600 watts and above. Did this with my Colorful Battle Ax 4090 and it handles it fine, maxing out at about 86/87 degrees at high wattage (this card runs a little hotter in general).
Not that you rly even need it but nice to have that option. Flash the BIOS then run the Furmark benchmark to confirm wattage as other benchmarks won't push your wattage to its max. Most games won't push above 450/500 watts anyways tho, but the ones that do push it still ran fine in long sessions just makes the room a little hot in the summer heh...
All this did is make me want to sell my 4080 and buy a 4090 🤣
There are still cuda cores to be had and the 4090 is cut down somewhat. we will see this if they release the 4090ti. they already have the pg136chip that they can go with. this should be around 18176 cuda cores over the 4090s 16384. so expect to see a 10% increase in performance if that ever roles out. the pg137 chip is rumored to be saved for the titan class gpu but I doubt the market is going to care much at that kind of price point
Very nice video.
I recently upgraded to a gaming laptop with 4060 for 700 bucks on Cyber Monday. I play on medium settings at 1080p, capped fps at 60 with DLSS and Frame Gen enabled. The interesting I learned is that ultra and medium look the same if you compare the videos side by side.
How did you cover up the red accents on the fans
Nice comparison. I wonder how high they will price the 5000 series cards.
I would guess Ether the same or like increase price of 5090 but reduce price of 5080 like 5090 will be like 1700 or 1600 and 5080 Wil be like or should be below 1k if they want it to sell good but if they r greedy probably 1300 or the same
I would guess at least 10%-15% increase due to inflation
@@DDD-xx4mg might be more since they won't go mcm design until 60 series
Almost bought your 4080 on marketplace, but decided to wait and either get a 4090 or hopefully a 4080 super *fingers crossed, Nvidia does a super refresh for the 40 series cards
Oh interesting. You’re in GA?
5090 specs have been leaked, so I'd say you'll be getting a 5080 instead
@@carrickdubya4765 The 50 series is scheduled to launch in 2025.
Erock, believe it or not I am still trying to figure out if I want to fully switch to console and get an xbox or not lmaooooo
I game at 3440 x 1440p on an OLED. Wondering if its worth the 4090 since it has the largest performance uplift in 4k. Wondering if the 4080 would be great for this resolution or do a 4090 for a good performance bump to help me stay in the 100s fps more often in demanding titles.
3440 OLED with a 4080 is my setup and it’s amazing but my natural FOMO makes me wonder if it could be better. What PSU do you have?
Wont matter you wont be able to push the 4090 to its max at that resolution
My 3090 had awful coil whine for a couple of weeks. It was driving me insane, but then it just went away. I liked your solution. In a few weeks I would try to remove undervolting and see if the coil whine is still there. It may just be gone.
Is the 4070 and 12 GB VRAM underrated form 1440p?
For 1440p, for now it’s totally ok. In the next 2 years, you may have to enable DLSS or drop to 1080p however.
I just built a new pc with a 4090 as my old one consisted of cpu, motherboard and other parts from 2018 so it was getting a little long in the tooth. The only exception was a evga (rip) 3080 that I was lucky enough to get through evga’s step up program in 2020. I thought that card would be future proof but it’s 10 gb of vram sunk that. I was considering a 4080 or 7900xtx but found a good open box deal at microcenter for msi’s suprim 4090 and pulled the trigger knowing that the 50 series was still 2 years away. The 4090 costs a ton but my god is it powerful and will be for a long time.
I recently upgraded from a 1080ti to a 4090 hoping to have a card thats going to last at least 5 years. Weird thing is that the game im playing now (BG3) actually lose some fps because of how cpu bottlenecked act 3 is.
It's weird to own a flagship GPU in todays gaming market. We've hit the point of diminishing returns where raw rasterization isn't giving us the generational leaps we're used to. I've been more than happy with my 4070 coming from my 1080ti with what it delivers and how power efficient it is. I just refuse to spend the ridiculous amount of money on a flagship that Nvidia commands these days.
Going for PNY was a good call. IMHO the only 4090s worth considering are PNY and Inno3D. The others are either notorious coil whiners (Asus, MSI) or fan motor howlers (Palit, Gainward, KFA2/Galax, Zotac). Gigabyte is decent but it has fan curve/ramp-up issues.
TUF 4090's are the shiz. I haven't heard it yet, zero problems. Runs cool as can be too, and overclocks very high.
I am happy rocking my EVGA 208oti. It has 11.2GB and memory overclocks well. Lower the GPU volts and overclocks @ 1980mhz and she only draws 280 watts. No burnt pins, no worries about mining when I bought it for 300 bucks used. Replaced thermal paste and I game in ultra wide only.
Ultrawide is the only way to go. I'll never do anything else. Recently upgraded to an LG Ultragear 46 inch oled 3440x1440p curved. It's so beautiful. Tuf 4090/5800x3d
Bought my 4080 about 4 years ago, sold that PC and made a 4090 PC for free. 😂 Worth every penny.
I got a 4090 strix for my production build and 4090 tuf oc for my gaming build. I had 7900 xtx but it was giving me trouble on some games and just give it to my daughters gaming build.
Is an I5 12600k gonna bottleneck a 4080 on 4k? Have gotten mixed answers so looking for a clear up
Sure will bottle neck it
As you said I already own a 4080 and play any games at 4k no problem. I would never sell it for a 4090. Power usage is very low. Undervolted it and increased my performance and rarely go over 300w...
Under volt settings please?
Hey, I have some questions. I am also planning to go 4080 because it's a lot cheaper than 4090 in my country and I would like to know which CPU and monitor you use. I was thinking about going with i5-13600kf and I am still not sure about the monitor.
@@hayven3494 monitor I can't really help you cause i'm playing on a 4k 120 hz tv :) anything 1440p 120 hz+ or 4k would be decent I think. For the CPU the 13600KF is very fine.
@@gunzorkgaming7847 Thank you for help
4090 makes me wonder how well the 50 series replacement will perform will we see 30 tp 40 percent uplift ? next gen
No idea. It’s hard to tell. It’s almost 2 years away.
I would expect to be around 60% or more but to be reflected in the price over the 4090
mother of god, i didn't know it was a difference so big. 4080 isn't a bad card, but the price/perfomance was a huge turn down for gamers.
Yeah the 4080 price tag really hurts it.
You made me want a 4090 lol 😂 great video erock! Thank you for taking your content up a notch by getting a 4090 💪🏼
Great video, bro and great work. Thank you 👍
No, I agree it is not overrated. It handles all games with the highest framerates. I understand people think it is too expensive, but it is an enthusiast card. I am glad it exists.
Although the scenarios are different for everyone, for me, at almost one year into this generation, paying that $1,600 premium, plus tax for a 4090 doesn't seem worth it just for it to be outperformed by the 5070/5070 Ti in a little over a year, UNLESS you are targeting 4K in which case, a 4090 is the best option right now. A used 4080 on Amazon is closer to $1,000 which would be saving you a third of the 4090's cost for roughly 80% of it's rasterization performance at 1440p.
It is already confirmed that 5000 series are going to be delayed into 2025, so 5070 will most likely be available not in a little over a year, but rather over 2 years. With this approach you could also wait forever for next gen of anything.
Water is wet and the sky is blue.
Just buy a card that can hang for a few gens at the resolution and frames you feel is enjoyable and stop trying to have the best.
Thats impossible when by the time they roll out the SKUs of the latest and greatest they are already talking about the “next and better generation”.
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What should have been the ideal price for 4090
@@Chronos867 if the 4080 is 1000$ around 1350-1400$ would be okay. So you get around 30% more fps for 35-40% more, seems reasonable for me. BUT, if price were not that crazy as they are. 4080=700-800$, 4090 1000-1100$
Lol, that picture of you in the parking lot, I used to work at that very Microcenter many years ago
I use frametate caps all the time with my GPU's. For example am playing Baldurs Gate 3 on a 4090 on the oled alienware ultrawide monitor 3440x1440 and have it capped to 80FPS with HDR its fantastic. Its more than plenty for that game, if i turn on DLSS too which does a better job with AA than the games own TAA my gpy pulls around 80 to 120 watts.
It depends on the game and personal prefetence. For me i like a more consisteny experience so i will utilize fps caps, if im benchmarking something sure run flat out.
A smart user 👌
You should just disable TAA and DLSS both, DLAA is the way to go. It's the very best of both worlds. You can thank me later. My 4090 maintains a locked 120 fps, with native 4k + DLAA with that title, so you definitely shouldn't have problems targeting a 80 fps cap, regardless of which renderer you use.
@@nunyobiznez875 4090 🔥 hazard good luck
@@stevieC11Hanworth I've had my 4090 since the beginning of January, with no problems, of any kind. But then, I also made certain the 12VHPWR connector was plugged in tight, as well.
@@nunyobiznez875 Right. DLAA is top tier AA
do you have OCD like me? you are the best GPU reviewer for me! well played. very detailed
I probably do. Thank you very much!
Very happy with my 4080 for the game i play with in 4K as i dont need 144HZ ( no competitive FPS)
Around 120 FPS for most games in Ultra 4K is definitively enough, lets say on more demanding one around 100FPS like cyberpunk i can live with it.
Anything about 60fps is diminished returns. And ray tracing is so not worth the performance cost. I can only see a 4090 being needed for the most giant of TV's.
Honestly the 4090 is amazing... but I just couldn't justify a price that high. I considered the 4080 (because Nvidia), however after a lot of research I went with a sapphire nitro 7900 xtx... and I love it. I was a bit sceptical at first, but I think the adrenaline software was really put together well and the hardware is also still insanely good.
You have any issues with the drivers?
@@cavereschnot at all. In fact, I was surprised how well the adrenaline software was put together in terms of funtionality. So the 7900 xtx might be the second/third fastest card on the market, it's still pretty damn good. Also the new features amd announced at gamescom put a smile on my face, further reinforcing I made a good decision.
@@cavereschare you considering buying an amd card?
@@gergoturi7559I’m on the same spot and I play cod and it’s just calling my name but 4080 isn’t much of a price difference…..
@@99vv17if you can grab a 7900 xtx for 900$ just grab it, no need for the 4080. You won't be disappointed. Also let's not forget amd is planning to include frame gen on the driver level.
Tbh my 4080 FE’s been doing amazing for me at 4K/120 (MW2 and Starfield). I have two NIB 4090 FEs and a Zotac 4090 but I changed my mind on switching the 4080 out. It’s the perfect card for me (price aside), runs 60’s in a a4h2o doing 2850@1075mhz. Not undervolting because of the recent clock stretching discovery. Had a Eagle OC 4070ti but I sold it
and why do you have to many GPUs?
Because ‘Merica!
I rock a 4080 13700K and if you just tune a few settings to high instead of ultra max then you’re hitting 4K 144hz all day long. If you put on DLSS then you’ll be over 200fps in 4K med/high 😂 4080 has ridiculous performance
My last pc was built in 2007 it and a 1950XTX. Last week I pulled the trigger and bought myself a 4090 with 13900K 😂 Needless to say I’m very happy with it and it’s always been a dream of mine to have the best of the best in terms of performance on PC, rip 4 grand 😢
Don't forget another 3 grand for a 4k / 144Hz 75 inch television - lol. Playing games is taking on a whole new meaning and I am not okay with that. Your money, but I cannot see myself sinking nearly 2 grand on a 4090 when it still can't run Cyberpunk with RT on Ultra above 100+ fps. Let's wait and see what the 5090 brings to the tables
it will be solid 1440p GPU very soon..
I love graphics card reviews that arent sponsored by graphics card companies
I bought the 4090 to pair with my i9 13900k and I choosen those parts to bcs they are at the time the best and will last for a long time before I need to upgrade again
I did the same, but I went for the 7950X3D so that I can still upgrade my CPU later.
I want the PNY or Founders Edition model because they are simply smaller, I got the regular degular MSI gaming Trio instead. continuing video...
You may not notice on the screen but higher frames decreases render latency.