Before You Buy Any 40 Series GPU
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🎬Chapters
🕒 0:00 - Before You Buy Any RTX 40 Series GPU
🕒 0:54 - Sponsor - NordPass Business
🕒 2:27 - The History of GPUs
🕒 4:43 - Why are PC gamers so angry with Nvidia and GPUs
🕒 5:48 - RTX 4090 vs RTX 3090
🕒 7:25 - RTX 4090 Melting Adapter Gamers Nexus and Northridgefix
🕒 7:59 - RTX 4090 will not fit in a lot of cases
🕒 8:19 - RTX 4090 is a 60% Price to Performance Uplift
🕒 9:19 - RTX 4080 vs RTX 3080
🕒 12:13 - RTX 4070 Ti vs RTX 3070 Ti
🕒 14:42 - 4070 Ti does not have enough VRAM
🕒 15:10 - RTX 4070 vs RTX 3070
🕒 17:20 - RTX 4060 Ti vs RTX 3060 Ti
🕒 19:05 - Gamers Nexus NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8GB GPU Review & Benchmarks
🕒 19:32 - Should GPUs have multiple VRAM Options
🕒 20:04 - RTX 4060 release date
🕒 20:37 - Is 8 GB VRAM Enough on the RTX 4060
🕒 21:40 - RTX 4060 vs RTX 3060
🕒 23:03 - RTX 3060 8 GB Model
🕒 23:46 - It must be nice to have a RTX 4090
🕒 24:40 - RTX 4080 buyers are ruining the PC market
🕒 25:19 - RTX 4070 Ti is a bad card
🕒 25:48 - It doesn't matter what GPU you buy
🕒 26:33 - RTX 50 Series GPUs Will be better
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This video addresses all the following topics:
RTX 4090
RTX 4080
RTX 4070 Ti
RTX 4070
RTX 4060 Ti
RTX 4060
Nvidia
GPU
GPU News
Which RTX 40 Series GPU to buy
Best GPU
Best Nvidia GPU
VRAM
VRAM issues
How much VRAM is needed
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Me with rtx 3050- damn
Im good with this shit for trashy games
How much VRAM do you need really
Sorry kiddo, you lost me when you completely skipped the Bitcoin boom during the 10 series and Nvidia first got their taste of that miner money. Since that time it's been Nvidia looking for the next great cash cow and abandoning their gamer roots, not that the 1080ti was "too good." 😂😂😂
@@miraclemanoj lol I understand.
@@MAX_DARKIAN most people seem to say 12 gb these days.
As a lifelong Nvidia user, I couldn't stomach the 12 GB of Vram for $800 in the 4070 ti, so I switched to AMD and got the 7900 xt for cheaper. I was worried at first because people told me bad things about AMD drivers, especially because I mainly play early access, beta, and alpha games. I've had zero issues, couldn't be happier with my choice.
Yes , I have an asus 7900 xtx tuf oc. 0 issues since January. Idk ppl really do live in the past, and sometime they can't accept the fact that 40s are a bs gen.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Right now I'm pondering about replacing my rtx2070 (non-super) with an rx 7900 xt. The whole 40 series doesn't seem to be a useful option.
Same, I've used mostly Nvidia products most of my life, I bought a Powercolor 7900 XT (Grabbed an Amazon "warehouse" deal for $704 total! only thing wrong was the box was beat up!😁) couldn't be happier, this Nvidia generation is a joke and shows how much they could care less about the people who made and supported their company. This 7900 XT is a beast of a GPU and I'm happily gaming at max settings on all my games.
@@c0d3warrior Prime Day is right around the corner and you might be able to find a really good deal on one then. If you do decide to get one make sure you download DDU to fully wipe the Nvidia drivers from your computer. It seems like a lot of people don't do that, and then complain when they are having driver issues because Nvidia and AMD drivers are both in their system and it can cause conflicts.
I bought a 4070 as an upgrade from my 2070 super when it came out and ended up returning it to buy an Amazon warehouse MSI 6950xt for $100 less than the 4070.
The only thing I preferred about the 4070 was the fan noise/heat was less. I am much happier with the 6950xt performance.
NVidia knows that their 50 series cannot possibly have much faster processors so they're gimping the memory now so that they can use memory to improve the 50 series later.
You may be correct on that. Very solid observation.
@@ErockOnTech Do you by any chance assume that they are possibly intentionally bottlenecking their gpus with memory and by doing so leaving number of cuda on board wasted? XDD But wait, you just posted a video where its obvious that your stance is that Nvidia is greedy. But now, you suspect that they may be leaving some $ wasted. lol
FYI There is something called l2 cache that is very expensive and that has immensely enlarged on 40 series. This difference in l2 cache more than makes up for one tier difference in gddr6 bandwidth (say 256 to 192bit). Shame that you never mentioned it.
For experiment you can overclock vram to see that there is same level of gain as with ampere cards. 40 series are not vram caped!
NGimpia
I don't think so. By increasing L2 Cache they are testing if and how much it can keep up with the real performance since they are relying much on frame gen and dlss 3.
The next gen will be the final nail in the coffin trying to sell fake frames unless they stop this schizophrenia now.
The 50 series will pry be a much smaller jump in raw performance due to 4 to 3nm. They'll make up for it will a lot of new tech like texture compression and a hardware denoiser plus dlss 4.
Agree. I had a TitanX in 2015 with 12GB RAM. Recently decided to build and am shocked to see that 12GB has not become standard in 8 years.
lol s23 ultra has 12gb
@@MariusVerbaviciusare you slow? Thats ram not vram
and that titan x was a "high end gpu" back then
@bigcwastaken2112 when I bought it, it was THE high-end card. 1080ti came out about 6 months later...
It’s all about the vrams generation and speed. 1gb of ddr3 @2277 hz is not the same at all 3600hz etc same with gen 4.
I bought 4070 but upgraded 1080ti, not 3070. That's mainly because prices dropped back to ~$600 which is acceptable. Performance is defenitely better by a lot, but in RL not that much especially on 1080p, still there are few pros you didn't mention. First 3070 is DDR6 while 4070 is DDR6X which makes a significant difference. Still the best "feature" of 4070 is the low power consumption and the small size. For casual gamers size and power consumptions are actually quite a big problem that comes out and makes them spend extra money just to have the card upgrade. And also the best part is that 4070 works exactly the same with PCI 3.0 which means you don't need to upgrade your motherboard too. So I find 4070 the best choice for casual gamers at the moment.
I have a 980ti lying around. It was effictively the best card money could buy for a whole generation for 700€. Now we are at 2k€ so it nearly tripled in 8 years. Absolutely ridiculous.
that was a great card
Still is a great card
@@aeroflopperI have two friends who run the 980 and TI version. It's still doing well in optimized games with mixed settings. 980 TI and 1080 TI... 🤯
I used to have that, upgraded to a 3070 and was very unimpressed with the jump in performance at the hugher price point
@@aeroflopper i went from 980ti to 1080ti. it was worth the upgrade to hit those framerates in games like Witcher 3 and everything else. these generations aren't as clear cut with the games being worth it or not. Balder's Gate 3 will run great on a 980ti today.
One of the reason 1080TI was so powerful is because Raja lied about the VEGA 64 performance before it comes out in which in turn makes Nvdia response with the best card that they can make and also at reasonably price.
Yep you can make the same argument Nvidia was afraid of the 7000 series you gotta think the 6000 series dang near caught Nvidia and they panicked even though amd dropped the high end 7000 series on its head I think it’s the same logic
Yeah so basically AMD created their own demise with Nvidia.
@@Th3Fly1ngCowthey have a chance at come back with a 7950xtx, not sure if they will though
@@ErockOnTechAnd that's good, the 1080 TI is proof that competition is what gives us the best stuff, that's where we badly need Intel to compete on at the same level, so the three companies are always trying to give us the best products at the best prices because they know the consumer can and will switch to the competition. People are angry at Nvidia for the price gouging, but they keep buying their cards and they gouged us this bad because they have the biggest market share. Fortunately consumers are now retaliating thus the overall low sales of the 40 series.
@@ErockOnTechthat said I feel like AMD has a chance to gain a lot of market share with cards that can match some of 40 series just with more Vram and decent prices. It’s been awhile since Nvidia armor has been chinked like this, maybe since the the FX series.
I’m not a tech savvy guy, but this is probably the most reasonable video I’ve seen from a tech youtuber. Very straight to the point, bring up context, reality check and some facts.
Saved up some money to upgrade my 3070 to 4090, cheers.
Thank you for the kind words. I really appreciate it. I’m happy the video was helpful.
I had my computer die mid-projects. I ruled out my OS SSD, and suspected it was my motherboard failing or maybe my Ram, but it was old with a 2070 and i9-9900k so instead of troubleshooting and getting parts that I'd soon have to replace anyways, I decided to do a full upgrade to a 4090 and i9-13900k and it's been a beast for my editing.
Thank you for making this video, i watched all the way through, like well deserved. Very nice to see everything layed out so nicely and hope to see this kind of video for the 50 series.
This make me cautious of the 40 series but informed enough to know what card will suit my build.
I disagree about the 50 series being cheaper. They could just drop the price on the 40 series, but they are choosing not to. They have determined that the future lies in AI, so they will continue to ignore their gaming market. Sadly, AMD has not been able really increase market share, which would have woken them up.
Had AMD gone with an aggresive pricing strategy instead of "being slightly cheaper and hoping that's enough" they could have crushed nvidia this gen.
7600 at 250.
7900 xt at 650.
xtx at 800.
7700/7800 for 350/499 respectively.
Just completely dominate at all price points, ignoring ray tracing. That would make AMD's offerings compelling. That would have been a killer move.
Instead, they overpriced them (900 and 1k for 7900 xt/xtx) to appear "cheaper" while being "better" than the 4080 at 1200.
Because why sell 1000 GPUS with ~$50-100 profit margins when you can sell 1 with $300+ margin? Sure, more per card, but you're selling significantly fewer cards.
@@HackedGlitch265 I agree, if they had ignored Ray Tracing altogether that would have been very smart!!
Ahhh yes another nVidia fanboy hoping AMD slashes prices so he can buy cheeper nVidia. No what AMD are doing is fine. The issue is that most people are like you and for AMD to crush their cards had to be 10% faster with lowered energy consumption. Non of you woud buy it otherwise.
@@HackedGlitch265 AMD has better profit margins than nVidia and this will continue to increase due to their architecture. Same thing happened with their Ryzen architecture. 7000 series is in reality the gpu version of Zen1. They have no interest in lowering the price as nVidia can't go 4 nm lower like with the 4000 series to simulate a massive jump to performance. And at those prices AMD is getting more money per card a couple of more cards sold would not matter to them as they already know that half of the nVidia fanboys won't buy their product if it's not waaay better or cheaper.
I see things changing. Ive always had the new whatever nvida puts out, back since like the voodo vs nvida days. I skipped the 40 series and might look at considering the titan but I'm about to definitely build a 7900xtx for my living room. I just can't make up my mind on the rest of the components.
This is a great a super logical explanation of the pros and cons of the Nvidia 40 series cards! Seeing the price to performance like this makes it much easier to make a decision what to buy or to skip the whole 40 series.
I tuned in to listen to your info on the RTX 4070. Originally, I was going to get the 4060ti for the 16 gb ram but everyone said don't do it. So I watched a video on price to performance comparison, within my price range and ended up debating the 4070 vs the 6950. I ended up staying with the 4070 and not trying to go higher pretty much for every reason you pointed out about the 4070. And, yeah, with limited money, the 4070 pretty much felt like the best I could do.
So, here's living proof that you're right. :) Thanks for the info reviews.
Really glad to have found your channel. I've been trying to figure out which graphic cards would be the better buy in the future. I had my first gamer Cyberpower pc built with a Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 back around the end of 2015, only to realize that I could have waited a few more months for the 1080ti. As luck would have it my pc was doing an update to the drivers wouldn't power on at the end of December 2022. Computer tech wouldn't confirm the issue as software related, CPU, or motherboard related, unless I paid with my 1st born child. So, I eventuallyI bought a hp victus i7-12700f with integrated Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060ti (for less than $1k) to have a working pc. Feel like no matter how much I try to research I am always a step or 2 behind. Hoping to learn a lot so that I am not easily manipulated, as I am still determined to rebuild my 1st gamer pc with the necessary hardware upgrades. Thank you for some great info regarding the current graphic cards! I really gotta learn this stuff.
I understand it can be complicated for sure. I’m here to help! I also have a discord which is free to join. Everyone in there loves talking about this stuff and helping out where possible.
What you said about the 4070 (not Ti) really stands true for me. The $600 price tag on it fit within my budget and gave me the performance I wanted. Granted, this is on my first ever self-built desktop, so it was a major jump from my 3060 laptop but it wasn't an "upgrade" in the same sense as if I had been upgrading a desktop card.
Hey I call that an upgrade for sure! All good. No worries and I’m happy it’s working out for you. That’s great!
I just went from an asus 4070 to a gigabyte 4070ti and the next day after the 4070ti a 4090 and I can say the 4070 is a great card for the money
On a 60hz 4k monitor I had absolutely no issues running any game I play at max settings @4k and always stayed at 60fps
So the 4090 was a waste of money until my new monitor gets here
@@chevybr12 What I love about it is that it performs well but at low power and without generating tons of heat. So while I built my PC with a 5700 XT, not even the higher quality card fans were good enough to prevent throttling unless they were going full blast, which was insufferable anyway. I had to downclock and downvolt it, which might be how it got bricked not long ago.
Now I have my 4070 that just works, and even has one less connector allowing me to add another fan at the bottom (all bottom row connectors on the PSU are now free). Shit doesn't overheat, doesn't get too noisy, and I'll even get a lower electricity bill out of it. And it should last until the rest of my rig is outdated anyway.
@ivanlagrossemoule my 4090 isn't getting hot ever, but I do have a massive double system case
I run everything at 4k max settings
I rarely break 60c
OP, couldn't you have bought a 3080 for the same price as a 4070? The 3080 would have performed better in most scenarios except 4k ray tracing due to the memory limitations(assuming 3080 10gb) except if you have the 12gb version. The 3080 is the better card for the money in gaming benchmarks as it is only a tiny bit slower than a 4070ti.
No one should be buying 40 series cards, they all suck for their MSRP pricing.
I'm totally with you on these, except, from other research I've done personally, it seems like NVidia has accounted for some of the reduction in memory bandwidth by increasing the Cache from the 30 series to 40 series for the 60 and 70 series. At the same time, I ask myself, why didn't NVidia give the 4060s and 4070s at least the same memory cache as the 4080s? Surely, that is not a significant cost increase...but would have been a nice boost to reading memory on those cards.
Your personal research doesn't cut it. Systematic testing painted a different picture. It's... it's not pretty.
Nvidia's cache just isn't cutting it, it's one of their weaker points in the architecture.
Cache is a notoriously bad thing to add to any chip in this day and age, as it benefits very little from advanced nodes. An 4nm cache isn't twice as good as an 8nm cache, it's barely double digits.
AMD somehow pulled it off with their cache, but even they shrunk theirs. Cache on chips to compensate generally only cost space and money unless done right.
Because they want you to buy the 4080 or better. 🤣
Thanks for all the useful info. After about 30 years of console gaming, I only just entered the world of PC gaming last November. Bought a gaming laptop with an NVidia 3060 Laptop GPU. Huge difference from my PS4 Pro to say the least, however, it definitely gave me a desire to delve a little deeper into the possibilities of building my own gaming PC. Similar to how your buddy worked 2 jobs to get his GPU, I'm thinking of going the Johnny Cash route and getting my components 'one piece at a time' until I can build a high end gaming rig. Sure some components may not be the best of the best by the time I'm done (It'll probably take about a half year min), but the end result will still be a big step up from my 3060 laptop and a massive leap from the PS4. Either way, this was very insightful video and, as I'm in no hurry to begin building the PC, I may look into how long I would have to wait for the 50 series cards while a try to educate myself a little more on the subject.
I did the same thing when I built my first pc back in 2017. I bought mine piece by piece over the course of 6 months via sales from newegg & amazon. Managed to save $200 buying them on sale. Ryzen 1700 /w cooler, gtx 1080, b350 motherboard, 16gb of ram, 750w gold psu, & a pc case for $1400. I made some upgrades since then in 2018-2020 & added 1tb m.2 nvme, 1440p 140hz monitor, keyboard, + mouse, & 6 rgb fans for $970. So about $2370 total + tax. The only upgrade I'm considering atm is a 2tb m.2
I love the idea of the 4060, to be an achievable upgrade for everyone who’s on a 9 10 or 16 series. It’s a real shame they didn’t make it 12 GB for a little more $, that would have been perfect.
I own a 4060ti 16 gig since I use the vram for work. It was a big jump from a 1060 tbh and I am more than happy with it.
@@born2serve92 that's a MUCH better option. Kudos.
@@JGComments it’s basically an energy efficient and higher vram 3070.
Honestly, even a bit faster usually than a 3070.
People hate on the idea of spending money on it like I did.
I wanted tons of vram. I do more than game and I don’t need a 4090 at this time.
It’s not a bad card at all. It is just expensive, but If you think it fits your needs than get one man. Frame gen is pretty cool. Dlss is really good.
CUDA and VRAM workloads are great.
It’s still the cheapest 16 gig nvidia product around tbh I tried 165hz battlefield 2042. 120hz 1440 max resident evil 4 remake with RT.
Don’t let other people tell you how to spend your money haha sorry for the rant.
@@born2serve92 Well, if you actually use the 16 GB good for you. But for gaming it doesn't seem to help much at the moment and isn't worth the increased cost.
@@born2serve92Faster than a 3070? The testresults i saw, it just came close to a 3060 Ti which is really disappointing.
Thank you for the history run-down on Nvidia cards! Found it incredibly interesting. I’m a new PC owner and I’m building my first PC ever tomorrow. I went above and beyond with the components and worked very hard to get them. My wife has been a sensational support system, I couldn’t have done it without her. All that’s left is the 4090 which I’m finally purchasing tomorrow, the price had me saving and working extra hard with DoorDash on the side. I’m looking forward to gaming, music/video editing and some AI generating. Getting into things I didn’t think I’d get into just for the fun and I can’t begin to explain how liberating it is to finally acquire this much needed computer and just have fun chasing my hearts desires. PUMPED!
So did you get your computer together?
@@DirtRider999 yes! It’s AWESOME! I posted a clip of it on my page. Took me an entire day to build and set all my drivers up, but I’m so proud I got it done. Sensational PC 🔥✨
@@Zarzuela_CG congrats mate! Well done! :) Glad you're enjoying it. So I guess all the hard work paid off! :) Grats
this is such a wholesome and heartwarming comment! I'm glad you're enjoying your PC!
proud of you homie, enjoy the pc
Hi Erock, this is the first video I am watching and I was impressed so much, I gave a like and sub in the introduction segment. I hope you will do great videos just as such and I will be checking out your channel. I have to say even tho it was long video i was able to properly follow along without missing a bit and understood it even. I know many people are knowledgeable but I am not one of them. So being able to understand as a laymen was such a great time for me. Since most people can't do that when it comes to tech products. So, thank you for the video, and please keep up the good work. I know I will enjoy it if you do just as this one.
Recently switched to team red. I'm really pleased with the performance of my 7900 XTX. It performs better than a 4080 for $200 less (although ray tracing is more at a 4070 level). AMD has done an outstanding job in offering a competitive price-to-performance ratio. I understand that NVIDIA has its own set of advantages (TDP is better, for example), but for my needs, AMD has been a great fit. No issues with bad drivers or excessive heat in 4K gaming and the Adrenalin software is awesome!
Any sane person should have this logic. I went without even thinking twice with 7900xtx, I did had the chance to get 4090 instead but even I have morals... I ended up 7800x3d + 7900xtx + MSI Tomahawk. Cant be happier. So glad I did not spend over $1000 more for i91300k + 4090. Those extra money I spend on other goods like gen 5 SSD T700, a 4k 160mhz monitor, a much better case Lian Li Evo.... etc.
@@ivanrusev9464 I was going to get a 4090 but they're nearly over 2 grand usd right now, how is your 7900xtx on 4k? I've got a i712700k cpu right now and wil be going to 1440p until I get a 4k monitor at a lower price. Will the 7900xtx be fine at this point in my build?
@@ivanrusev9464 Enjoy your RAM stability issues. The X3D's are TERRIBLE with that. Go to JayzTwoCents for a video he did on it recently, made him switch teams to Intel because of it. There's people sounding off the comments about it, like a lot of them. AMD has firmware/software issues, it's not even up for debate. Maybe you can live with them, I can't.
Son, you will learn when that card takes a crap in two years due to poor driver support so good luck with that.
@@daveyd0071they only seem to improve so we’ll see man 😅😅
I went from a 1050TI to the RX 6750XT. Getting somewhat equal performance to a 3070 / 3060 ti - depending on model, and it cost me about AU$100 less.
It also fits in my SFX case which a lot of 30 series cards onwards can't do because they're at least 3.5 slots thick which is an entire slot wider than my case supports.
The 4070 founders, sold in the USA at Bestbuy stores, walk in sales only, is only 40 mm wide. There are 5 other 4070 51mm and thinner :) But another 15 or so 4070 are wider :(.
4070 is only 200 watts. With say a Ryzen 7 58003DX cpu, a 600 watt power supply is enough to pair with any 4070. It's what I run with 600 watt psu. Along with an asus dual OC.
A 4070 ti or above is too wide, and too hot to fit in my system. AMD = too hot !
4070 which are thin: (the ventus has a poor cooler) (asus dual OC has a great cooler and heatsink)
pny dual 39 mm
nvidia founders 40 mm
msi ventus 43 mm
gigabyte windforce 50 mm
gigabyte eagle 50 mm
asus dual OC 51 mm
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Great choice as it will last you longer than the 3070/3060ti too, given the 12GB VRAM. Devs aren’t bothering to stay under 8GB for medium-high settings anymore.
i use rx6600xt
Besides the high prices of new GPUs, one of the biggest reasons a lot people don't just run out and buy one is because, to support it, they would also need a larger case, higher capacity power supply, and a new motherboard with top-gen PCIe slot to get the full GPU bandwidth, and the new MB may then require a new CPU and new RAM. If you do all that, Windoze will probably want a new license too. So yeah, a whole new computer to support the new card. Those high-end GPUs aren't stand-alone items.
This!!! I've been using 3070 for the past almost 3 years and this is why I feel like switching to a 4xxxx GPU will be a huuuuge hassle... I'm literally lazy for it plus unexpected other expenses. Probably getting a built 5xxx rig will be easier when they are released.
@@babblebabble My flatmate is in the exact same situation. He almost bought the 4070ti, but then realized he would be severely CPU limited, but it's a 9th gen so if he went with 12-13th gen, would need a new motherboard, etc...
40 series are for people building new computers, its a nice upgrade but its just like phones, the 15 is better for people coming from an xr, not for people with a 14 to upgrade immedietly.
Reason why I haven’t upgraded yet. Pretty much a whole brand new pc build.
I just got a package deal, 32 gb of DDR5, Asus prime Z790 motherboard, and I9-12900k for $399. Bought a deepcool ak630 for $50 and was able to reuse my case and power supply. So for 450 dollars I was able to still use my 1070 AND prepared myself to future proof my setup for when I could get a newer card. I JUST bought the 4070 and I LOVE it
This is easily the most informative video I've found while doing my upgrade research. I'm looking to upgrade from my strix 3080 ti to a 4080 oc, and the thing that stands out to me in everything is that the price of the 4080 has stayed about the same but the 4090 has gone up 500-1000 usd.
Yes, I don't understand how they are talking up the 4090 when it's absurdly (+80%) priced compared to 4080 and only 5-10% faster.
Wonderful video! Thank you for clarifying in detail. Subscribed. (Please consider adding more sound tracks in the background).
Thanks for the sub. I’ll consider it.
So refreshing to see a rational and objective take of the current GPU market. Thanks
A lot of people are giving rational takes. Nvidia since 2000 series has given less and less performance jumps vs the previous generation for more money. Not a good trend.
@@MrMali22 Yes, I meant the ones with angry rants like GPU pricing were some life or death matter. And like Nvidia, AMD or any large commersial entity would somehow owe us something substantial.
They are free to proceed how they see fit and us customers can vote with our wallets. No need to get angry about it. Though someone like GN catching the big players for their occasional lies is a great thing.
@tkermi oh OK I got you. Yeah I don't watch or read the really irritational ones like a business is going to sell at what people are buying for. You don't buy it prices come down. I blame the consumers buying it more than anything. And yeah GN is my number one trusted. I'm rebuilding right now and almost bought Asus boards until GN and Jay brought them to the light
The biggest irony of the 4000 series release. Nvidia did themselves a disservice and forced people to start thinking "DO I need to upgrade" Which should always be a valid question, not just upgrading because a new line is released. They had a lot of people stuck in the habit of just buying the new one, because its new..
They are making money hand over fist with AI and data centres. They just don't care about gamers anymore.
I'm only just contemplating upgrading my GTX 1080. Just because i've never needed to till now. Think the 4070 is going to be perfect for me.
@@SirFlibbertyJibbit Man, I am still trying to get GTA to give me 140-150 fps@1440p with max settings LOL
This.I hope my GTX 1080 ti will last until the 50 series, or make the switch to team red, if it doesn't.
I feel like they just cane out of limbo. Havin a 1080 woth 8gb there was simply no reason to upgrade to nvidias new cards until rtx 4000. cause only top of the line 3000 had 12gb.
Ordered myself a 4070 TI super now.
Looking to upgrade my 1080ti which is doing well, bought back in 2017. Thank you for this info I will be waiting for the next series cards.
I got my 4070 around a month ago for 600$ and so far I do like it (specially coming from a cheap PC that was running a 580 nitro). I wouldn't pay 800 for it, but for 600 I feel like it does the job pretty fine
I got the GB 4070 TI aero. Got it because it's a beautiful card and it's not as big as the 4090. I am very happy with it. Makes my all-white computer look amazing.
Nice breakdown of the current situation. Totally agree that what ever people buy, if they are happy with it, then there is nothing wrong.
The entire 4000-series is a wash: NVDA could chop 50% off the prices and I’d still have to think about it versus 5000-series dropping sometime next Fall.
nice video ! i have a question for you... i currently own a 3070 zotac, i use this card primalry for msfs2020 with a reverb G2 Vr headset. i was wondering if it worth the upgrade for a 4070 ti OC rog strixx... what are your comment on this !? i am searching for sharper Vr xperience while MSFS2020... best regards.
I think people forget that it's not just about gaming, the people who buy nvidia are essentially people who work in content creation, editing, 3d, etc. And in these areas the 40 series is just monstrous compared to its predecessor. Unfortunately, there are very few channels that talk about these fields, since most of the views are generated by the gaming community...
thanks I wanted to know this information cause all if for gaiming and while I do sometimes I dedicate myself to video editing.
Facts!
Exactly this! I'm trying to figure the best system for 4k editing and it's so difficult finding good reviews for that
@@AdamJAhmedM2 Mac Mini Pro, refurbished from Apple for about $1200. incredible price, perfect if 3d is not important, only high res video
Yeah except NVIDA's life blood for the past 2 decades + has been gamers. There are far less VR, AI, and content makers. So people are mad because NVIDIA is focusing on the smallest sect of PC users. And kicking their largest base in the head. Kinda like making political policy based on less than 1% of the population
My man. Love the message about spreading your positivity and keeping things civil. CZcams trolls are always going to complain. Tell your boy good on him for working on hard and knowing how to manage his money. Hope you're right about the upcoming 50 series cards! My fear is that we are going to get SMASHED with another GPU shortage. One even worse than what we experienced recently.
Great video, based on what I’ve researched also it would be the 4070ti Super for me right now. Budget etc. I would be scared to pair the rest of the hardware however in order to not create bottle necks. There should be a chart for minimum hardware for specific GPU’s. I was thinking i5 however maybe i7 is more appropriate. Not considering AMD either for my reasons. We all have them . 💙
Thanks for the breakdown on the GPU's. I have been using my 2021 MSI Raider 76 laptop and hopefully it lasts me long enough to wait until more favorable times to build a nice PC.
I bought a 4090 recently simply because I couldn't wait anymore. I used to have a 1060 which I cruised on for a very, very long time. I had wanted to upgrade for a long time but every time I felt like I needed to upgrade the consensus everywhere was "wait for the next...",
20-series was first-gen raytracing with barely any support and not good performance, 30-series was scalped and inflated price, 40-series is extremely expensive with many cards being lackluster, too.
I noticed more and more I was having my hobby ruined by waiting, and waiting and waiting for cards that might never ever come again, so I just bit the bullet. Sure, I am down 2k but at least I can now happily continue my hobby without the constant headache I experienced.
do you game at 4K?
Thank you for pointing out how easy it is to forget timeline. We all have "malleable memory", and change our views over time without even realising it.
However, that 50 series... I'm not entirely sure it will ever arrive. Through the 30 series, nVidia made a fortune selling to miners. And even though gaming GPUs might have built their business in the past, they are now creaming big money from AI chips, while the 40 series crashes and burns with poor sales. So, why would nVidia even bother trying to win back gamers with a "better" 50 series, when it already has the next big earner in hand? Gaming GPUs are simply not a big enough profit earner anymore, since gamers won't pay the new asking prices.
Wow! New to your channel. Thank you for this incredibly informative presentation. I am facing having to build a PC for the first time to do 3D graphics because pre-builts have gotten astronomically high in price and I don’t know who makes a good one anyway. It used to be that you could get a reasonably priced Apple but those days are clearly over so thanks for helping clarify this topic. Oh, and thanks for being a voice of reason to people who attack one another over what GPU they buy. I can totally relate to the guy who worked two jobs get a 4090. I can appreciate what he had to do to get what he wanted and I hope it serves him well for years to come.
Just added kritical pads and grizzly paste to my 3080 liquid cooled Seahawk, I’m beating the 4070ti on all my available benchmarks with msi basic overclocking. Staying under 65 at max load 11-14 degrees on max hot spot difference. Memory was overheating before, I used 3mm pads on front and back vs old 2.5’s. Could see minimal compression on the water block and not touching on the backplate at all.
I'm one of those who finally said "screw it" and got a 4070. Galax was selling their EX gamer version, which has excellent reviews for 589. With Nvidia announcing they are basically halting 4000 series production until inventory moves (which will drive prices back up), it was time, and the price was low enough to make it worth the purchase. I'd have thought about the 3080 or 3080 Ti, but I need the Av1 encoding, so . . .
And the power efficiency is much better than either 3080.
I've been looking at that same card, i'm just getting into PC building (aka I have slowly been buying parts and am so close to getting to actually having a running PC lol) how has that card been for you????
@@FallingBloodrain Works great, runs cool under heavy load, fans are quieter than on my 3060. Their overclocking utility was not that good. Would push overclocking too far on a regular basis and cause a lock up or crash. Wound up reinstalling MSi Afterburner. Got more stable results with it.
But as far as the hardware end goes- excellent. Besides the stuff mentioned earlier, mine has zero coil whine.
3080 updrade to 3070 ain't that good. I am upgrading from 3060 ti to 4070 ti!
@@RiceWitch-dingus-400 Don't know what you were reading, but it was adding a 4070 to my existing 3060 and getting close to 4080 performance
meant to say 4070 but still if you have a 3080 get a 4070 ti @@swdw973
After running my 3060Ti for the last three years which is still a good card, I completely bypassed the 40' series altogether and got myself a 6950XT instead. Combined with a 5950x, there's nothing quite like it. Amazing performance👍
I have to agree, my 3060Ti has been more than enough to be honest! The only reason I'm pondering maybe a 4070ti is because the other half wants something a little more than her current 1660 super so it would be two birds with one stone so to say lol
yes there is. a 4070ti
Yeah but no RT or DLSS, plus that card runs a 335w TDP as opposed to 200w for the 4070. They're not really comparable products & its dumb to see AMD pulling an Intel move & going for brute force over efficient draw.
@@adamgroszkiewicz814 6950xt runs more than enough RT
@@adamgroszkiewicz814 Raytracing is still overrated for video game designs, any good game programmer and designer will optimise their games to as much scope of PC builds from recent 3-4 generations if not older and still able to deliver the best of gaming experiences without relying to fancy schmancy visual fidelity features, besides you're comparing TDP of RX 6950 XT and RTX 4070 which have massive gap of rasterizing performance and 4070 is still loosing in terms of 4K gaming in which it's on the blame of the game developers for their aforementioned terrible optimisation
So RT and DLSS is still a terrible selling points as the caveats are still numerous, not to mention that unless you're into the level of 4080ti/4090, emulation and open source sides got worse in lower class of 40 cards even compared to previous 30 series of Nvidia's own comparisons too, the TDP is still understandable either so I don't get your point
Most of the best recent games are indie anyway, AAA side that sells these RT/DLSS modes are became joke in today's gaming community and consumer sides, not to mention on my personal terms, most of recent game designs stops being sexy (in terms of escapism) so those visual fidelity breakthroughs doesn't really hold personal importance to me and many other people lol
Nice video man and thanks for the like I watched yo the end 😂. Also, I'm think about getting a PV for streaming and CZcams editing do you think the 3070 will be good enough or should I get the 3070 ti?
Great video and very informative, looking forward to videos to the 50 series cards
Used my 1080 Ti for almost 6 years, upgraded to 4080 and I’ve super happy, im playin bf42 in 3440x1440p on high settings 180+fps
Awesome! That must have been a big upgrade for you.
I just upgraded from the 3060 to the 4070 ti and love it so far got the 4070 ti for 800$ felt like it was good price and so extremely impressed with it.
Hey ty for the video, I really like it all the stuff u covered, I have a question, I'm still on a 1080 and i'm looking for an upgrade but i don't feel to spend more then 600/700€ cuz seem too much over price, what card should be good? P.S. I'm looking for 1440 relosultion also
Brilliant video. Loved the context and the content. I have a 3060ti but it struggles at 1440p. Looking at upgrading, but everycard outside of the 4090/4080 feels like a compromise. What you would advise?
Get a 4070/4070 ti. 4070 ti is identical to the 3090ti while the 4070 is close to 3080 ti.
Bought RTX4070 for first gaming pc build, coming from GTX1050 laptop . It might not be the best CP value graphic card out there , but I'm happy with it.
for a new build they’re good buys i think. there just not much reason to upgrade from 30 series
I'm still running a GTX1070, good card. But I really wanted to upgrade for years and started saving money for that in 2018, over a year before CoViD.
First came the 20 series, which sucked, so I decided not to upgrade.
Then came the pandemic and the chip shortage, so I decided to wait again.
Then came the war in Ukraine. I live in central Europe, so I waited some more because I wasn't sure if I was going to be able to keep living here.
Now I have saved up a lot of money and my GTX 1070 is really starting to get old. I don't want to wait any more until the 50s series comes out, just because its price/performance MIGHT be better. I am already set on buying a 4080 this year and have 5 years worth of money saving to show that I'm not just some rich kid. True, the price/performance being bad is a bummer, but let's be honest. Ever since the chip shortage, all electronic components have always been horribly overpriced.
There’s always a better GPU on the horizon. Thankfully, the 4080 is excellent. It’s energy efficient, quiet, cool and has enough VRAM to last many years. I love my MSI Suprim X variant paired with my 3440x1440 monitor and will use it until the 7000 series.
4080 is a good option!
the quality of this video is really good, this is some amazing camera, picture is very crisp and in focus and in general is very good. wonder if it's some expensive lenses used here or smth.
Hi,
Thanks for sharing this great video !
I’m currently in the middle of selecting components for my first ever game PC built and obviously one of the important required parts is a GPU. Looking at your video, comments and summary at the end I became uncertain about my preferred selection for an MSI NiVidia 40-series card with triple cooling fans, ideally a 4070Ti with16Gb GDDR6x instead of 4060Ti with 12Gb44 of GDDR6 memory as my pockets aren’t deep enough for the higher-end 40-series cards.
I’m looking to play the (current) latest versions of games like COD, Microsoft Flight Simulator, GTA, F1 to name a few at least at 1080P and max.1440P both on High settings and ideally on Ultra settings. Be able to play games on 4K at lower settings is a bonus but not required.
That being said brings me to the following questions:
- what are your thoughts on the best price to performance ratio between the 4060Ti and the 4070Ti ?
- is worth, in your opinion, spending the extra few hundred dollars on a 4070Ti over the cheaper 4060Ti (to be fair I'd rather spend less money unless the premium price tag of a 4070Ti makes a significant difference in my gaming experience)
- is it worth to pay the higher price tag for 4Gigs more GDDR6x memory compared to 12Gig of GDDR6 memory keeping in mind that new games with most likely become more and more demanding.
- would I be better of waiting for the 40-super series to be launched, as rumors say it's expected to take place in the quarter of next year.
Looking forward to your thoughts ….
Thanks in advance !
BR
*Note:* The memory bandwidth is based on the memory bus width and memory clock speed.
As someone who ALWAYS bought nvidia, I bought a marked up 3080 for $900. Two years later, the direct generational upgrade was another $300+ more then what I overpaid for originally. I didn’t care how much more performance the 4080 gave, increasing the MSRP +70% was insulting.
I took a chance and bought an openbox XTX for $899 and I’m going toe to toe with the 4080 in lots of the games I like to play (and sometimes I’ll even play a game of CoD just to get my fix on 4090 performance lol). It’s going to take a lot for Nvidia to chance my perception of them now.
fr i finally jumped ship to amd simply bc of the prices. the 7600 (the highest tier amd card i can get with my budget) is better than a 3060 (by like 15% in terms of fps. i dont play triple a stuff so i dont need 12 gigs of vram) and is like 40 bucks cheaper. if the prices werent so insane i would still be using nvidia bc thats just what ive always used lol
Bro the best part is..if you get a good brand, and AMD CPU activating SAM, and a fast CPU. It literally performs as a 4090..
It took me selling 6 PC's to buy a 4080
You paid $900 just to go a single generation upwards? It's your money, but it's insane to think that people don't wait at least 3 generations before upgrading, especially with a high class GPU like a 3080.
@@2hotflavored666 yup just like a bunch of people did the same why would we wait 3 gen for a gpu lol the games aren't going to wait around. Games are becoming more hardcore to run let me know how Star Field runs on your 3 gen old GPU
Very nice review. You bring a lot of logic to everything you mentioned. It makes me think before I buy a card that will be right for me, despite what others might say. Great vid, boss
just subscribed and thinking about upgrading to the 4070 soon, do you think the prices may drop for the TI versus in the next month
I purchased the 4070 on launch because I had nothing having waited for about a year without a GPU. If I could, I would have sat this generation out as I believe the 40 and 70 series cards were initially designed with crypto sales in mind. However having gone without, last summer and Christmas I decided the 4070 was my best option to not miss yet another summer wiith an empty space in my PC. Yes the 4070 Is over priced by fifty to a hundred dollars, but I've never built a pc where something wasn't over priced by that amount.Whether that be ram, motherboard etc so I pulled the trigger and finally the wait was over. Am I happy? More like relieved but the performance is awesome and I can get on with other things tech related instead of being obsessed with GPU prices as I have been for over a year. Pheew 😊.
I think you made the right decision and I get it entirely. So many other people were in your position as well. They sold GPUs to get ready for the 30 series and then no one could get a 30 series card. Then they were without a GPU altogether. It was a rough time for sure.
I understand, bro, you dont have to justify it to anyone. Is the GPU letting you play the games you wanna play? Or edit the videos you wanna render? or whatever it is that you use your PC for? Thats all that matters :)
4070 is a good buy in your situation. Now, enjoy your time instead of following the GPU prices nagging vids :)
Did AMD ever cross your mind? Not hating just curious.
@@HandlesAreDumbPlsChange Yep.. I wanted to purchase a 6800xt before Christmas, but they were retailing here in the UK at over £600. With occasional special offers just below that. Even now that card is insane here.. And the 4070 actually came out at MSRP I paid £589 for mine.
RTX 40 returns are the way to go... just buy a brand with a lax warranty policy like ASUS or MSI, and you're set. Got my RTX 4070Ti for $620 from an Amazon Return. At that price it's a heck of a card!
Could you explain this lax warranty and Amazon return a bit?
@@MitchellTheMitch Buy from Amazon Warehouse, where all the used (usually returned) items go. And you buy a brand that will still honor the warranty even though you weren't the original buyer, so if in case it fails prematurely you can get warranty repair or replacement.
@@MitchellTheMitch Just like @PURENT said. MSI, ASUS and EVGA are the ones I can, by experience, say will honor warranty without much questions. None of them require a proof of purchase, and will in that case just measure the warranty period by when the item left their factory.
Gigabyte, ZOTAC and most Radeon manufacturers suck at this, and will only honor the warranty if an invoice with your name is provided.
@emp1985 fellow 38ish year old, maybe I should have gone this route. I paid 609 for a 4070 oc which is only a pinch more mhz then a 4070 and you could probably overclock a regular 4070 anyways. But the TI definitely had some perks. I imagine sometimes you would strike out with an open box though? Maybe for example it had a slight fan whine that original buyer didn't like. Looks like you got a winner. I usually skimp on the card and splurge on the processor.
@@ayliniemi Right, there's still some risk like minor issues like a bad fan, or cosmetic damage... but if it comes with an issue outside of your expectation/tolerance, it's an Amazon Return away from resolution :)
Thanks for the clarification on all of these cards! Great walk through and I'm now able to make a better decision on what to buy. Appreciate your time and great post. Cheers
Thanks, very good overall information about different cards, but still amazingly so in depth!
It's crazy how much time I used GTX 1060 6GB. After 5 years, yesterday finally upgraded to 40 series.
After attempting to research what the hell was going on with GPUs nowadays I’m really glad I’ve come across your video as it’s pretty much narrowed down my next card in the future …. Maybe not nvidia but who knows what may happen cheers buddy
Thanks for this vid. before, I was really hesitant to upgrade my 3060 12gb to 4070 or ti, with your vid, I guess its better to wait for the 50 series.
I won a GTX 980 on release day September 2014. Nvidia hosted Game24 worldwide. Got it and an entire Maingear PC from Indianapolis. At the time I was pretty exclusively using Nvidia GPU's so of course I was on cloud 9.
EVEN with such a great personal memory from this, I have stuck with AMD GPU's the last few years. 5700 XT -> 6800 XT -> 7900XTX. RDNA and RDNA2 definitely had a fair amount of bugs in their drivers. I would get random graphical glitches in regular desktop / CZcams streaming loads, but gaming was always just fine for me. Living on RDNA3 now and paired with a R9 7900X, it's been one hell of a good ride for the little bit of gaming I still get to do
Based on Nvidia wanting 10/20 series owners to upgrade to the 40 series and not so muc hthe 30 series owners, the 50 series should be a large improvement to coerce 30 series owners to upgrade.
I feel this comment. I think Nvidia is trying to coax the older series card holders to come forward and buy a 40 series card to finally get that much needed upgrade in performance. I myself am still sadly running a GTX960 in my rig, even though I just built a whole new system, due to the fact these cards are so expensive and its hard to justify the cost.
It would be nice if it was cheaper. I like the card since it’s optimized for low power usage. DLSS 3.0 is nice, but only a few games support it which makes the feature useless.
Watched your whole video and very informative thank you. I have an NVIDIA RTX 3060 XC card bought it during the pandemic for more then it’s worth but I was replaced my GTX 970 card. At the time couldn’t see spending the cabbage on an 80 or 90 card. I want a 40 series card and I was leaning towards the 4070 Ti. But listen to ya video now I’m thinking maybe the 4080 but that price and huge ass card I’m pretty sure I’m gonna have to upgrade my case. I play mostly MW2, BF2042 and Jedi Survivor. What’s your take on this if you don’t mind me asking.
I appreciate the information just now getting into pc gaming and trying to research as much as I can before I by anything
Happy to help!
I purchased my first pre-built gaming PC and it came with a 3070 8gb. I know learned that 8gb v-ram is not enough. However, jumping from a PS4 Pro to this is a night and day difference and I’m very happy with it. I now learned what to look for when I buying or building a PC in the future.
Yeah 8GB isn't m7ch today....but if you learn to blend fps with graphics settings you can have some beautiful gaming experiences......I have a RX7600 8GB....
Oh it's enough!!!!! Not on ultra .
Overclock it! Under volt ⚡️ or boost !!!! Squeeze every bit out ya hardware but get it stable.
The problem with the 40 series from Nvidia is this: The Ada Lovelace is a very strong architecture, and Nvidia demonstrated what is possible with the 4090. It didn't matter what the flagship 4090 was priced at because no normal person was going to buy it; only out of touch rich people are going to buy that. Nvidia then had a choice to either give mainstream gamers major performance uplift with the 40 generation or really good prices. Nvidia chose neither option, and instead decided to snub the entire consumer base with cut down overpriced cards.
Nonsense Comment.
im buying my first GPU for unreal engine game development. would you suggest its better to go for a budget 40 series or perhaps look at the 30 series to get more vram in the4070's series?
You explain things super well for someone that has NO IDEA about GPU specs or just general tech stuff. Thank you so much! I learned a lot!
Upgraded to a 4070 from a 1070! So far I’m happy with it and looking forward to playing starfield.
Thank you for the great video
Just want to mention that memory bandwidth depends on bus-width and memory speed. You shouldn’t say “they cut down the vram bandwidth” because it’s not “cut down”. It’s just a result of the smaller bus (in those cases).
Yes, they made the bus smalller, in other words they cut down it's size/width....
Hey man, u make it easy to understand and with great info, thanks!
Thank you! I do my best!
New subscriber to the channel. I'm looking to upgrade from my 2060 Super and this channel and video has helped educate me on my next steps forward 🎉. Perspective is everything - appreciate the positive ending. Also, much respect and for the 1080 ti - truly a card ahead of it's time.
Coming from a 1080, didn’t want to drop down a SKU but I got the 4070 ti open box for 600 plus tax. Was saving for a 4090 but I couldn’t pass up the deal. Still on 8700k and I doubled my frame rates in MW2. Went ahead and ordered the 13600k and mobo. I’m really happy with the performance so far, just need a bigger case for my Gigabyte gaming OC.
I was cpu limited alot with a 3070ti and 8700k.
Mw2?! 😂
The most amazing thing about the 4090 is that you can undervolt it or just put a power limit on it and it'll run pretty much the same as stock. Mine won't pull more than 250W at peak and it's giving me stock performance, it's actually amazing!
Happy to see you're getting sponsors man, well deserved!
yo im thinking abt getting a 4090 too, you mind telling which one you have?
@@joshuaschwarz8149yeah I'm curious on that too
You might be having a bottleneck because 250w is way too low for the 4090 even with undervolting. Are you sure that it's actually boosting to the correct boost frequency when its at 99-100% utilization?
Yeah... The 4090 is the only Nvidia card this gen that's actually "worth" the money.
@@tmkongen Putting "worth" is true xD. altough it being the most powerfull on the market rn is also true. i can see it holding that spot for quite some time too, as the other companies would have to upgrade quite a lot to catch up.
i am new to building and in process of selecting all my components. you just rocked my whole world. i have no idea what to do now lol. great vid tho!
Love this video! Needed a quick run down and it was nice and detailed, the context was perfect. You got my subscription!
I upgraded from a GTX 1060 to an RTX 4060 ti OC (12GB VRAM), so the performance upgrade I got is massive. It's all relative. I'm completely happy with the upgrade, no complaints. 😃
do you game at 4K? how is the performance?
@@shapourdashtpour63 Basically, you can't play on ultra settings with ray tracing at 4K and get good frame rates. You might have to lower or adjust some settings and compromise to get a performance that's acceptable to you. For example, Resident Evil 8 on ultra, 4K will struggle to give you 30 fps. I personally game at 1440, so this card is pretty good at those resolutions. I bought mine like a month before Nvidia announced their Super line of cards. If I had a choice, I would've shelled out another $100 and got one of those instead.
@@CT808 I'm thinking to get a Radeon 6950 XT
Given how poorly 40 series cards have been received, I do believe Nvidia will launch a Super series later this year or early next year (like the 20 series) and try and improve the price to performance situation. The 4080 level of performance needs to come down to 899, 4070Ti to 599, 4070 to 499, 4060Ti 16GB to 399 and 4060 to 249, at the very least. AMD 7900 series has seen some good price drops recently, and a 7900XT 20GB at 649 and 7900XTX 24GB at 799 would be decent/competitive offerings with a lot of VRAM being offered at those price points compared to Nvidia.
Looks like NVIDIA won't. The stock isn't clearing as they thought. They'll directly go to Blackwell as it seems
@@stefanaraharijaona324 If the stock was clearing (meaning they could sell it all at the current pricing structure), then why would they bother with the Super series. The only reason 20 series Super series was released was because of bad sales for the original 20 series cards. But this is all just speculation on my part, who knows what Nvidia will do.
The problem is...they expected low demands beforehand and didn't go bonkers with their inventory either due to market normalizing again and or due to their plans of jacking up the prices.
That's never going to happen because of inflation. 249 dollars in 2016 isn't the same in 2023. These prices are locked in for years to come. Getting future cards at msrp will be your best bet...second hand market will inflate the market even more.
Bravo my man u nailed it 👏 but the price not drop tho they make it seems reasonable for them but not for us and we know it 😂
I do agree that some details about gpu makes new comers to pc building confused. Had my first built pc 3 mos ago and told the shop my desired specs, which was 5900x and 3060 8gb. Thought there was only a 12 gb, until I saw it has also a 8 gb.
Went with it, seems fine and im very happy about it but cuz of the backlash nvidia is receiving and the amount of cards being released, it feels like i need to upgrade my gpu earlier, makes me anxious. Posted it on reddit for feedback, some ppl say its an odd pairing. If i ever get the chance to upgrade what would be a good gpu below $1k?
lol this video was very very very very helpful. trying to upgrade my pc but stay on a budget while also not getting screwed over for the parts or worse a pre-built.
4070 is the only card at Nvidia's stack that actually feels not too bad to buy for $570. It offers more performance per dollar than any other 4000 series cards. It has 12gb vram which is not great but at least it's not 8gigs right? It runs under 200 watts and provides roughly the same performance as 3080 does. Maybe slightly slower but hey it doesn't pull 320 watts. 4070ti doesn't make as much sense because it's only about 20% fps increase while no vram increase, you can't go 4k in all titles because of that. Also more than 33% price hike isn't well received. It also does pull around 280 watts which is again not good. 4080 is a great gpu, the most power efficient card of all the 4000 lineup, it doesn't suck because it has 16gigs of vram. But man $1200 is too darn expensive. It's supposed to be the 800 dollar card. 4060 8gb is okay for 1080p gaming for it is both cheap and it'll do 1080p just fine. For a power efficiency perspective, you can get the 4060 and call it a day. But for price/performance, there are a lot of alternatives from the previous generation of both nvidia and amd. 4060 Ti 8gb is an insult for $400. $4060ti 16gb is an insult too because last time I checked, 8gb vram did not cost 100 dollars. So that's how I feel about the entire 40 series. For a power efficiency perspective, 4070 is great, it is okay for 1440p and for $570 I feel less bad.
Completely agree man thats the same conclusion ive made after researching the market for the past month as at the time I bought every other part for my first pc build and the 4070
seems the only reasonable option unless you wanna go AMD. I'm getting my 4070 tomorrow upgrading from a laptop 1650ti. Yes all the cards are overpriced but what isn't these days? I might go the 4070ti if it was 16gb VRAM but gosh would they bump the price up if that were the case :/
The 3080 didn't really pull 320w most of the time though. Just like the 4090 is virtually never pulling 450w.
@@JustSomeDinosaurPerson Oh yeah it pulls 300ish on average, also 4070 does 180ish on average.
to me it's the worst gpu after 4060/ti, even 4080 would be better: at least you're maxing 1440p for next 4-5 years with no restriction while 600$ gpu for, eventually, 1080p doesn't make any sense while at 1440p is ok but definitely not enough now, imagine in 2 years...
@@sandbox8717 100 fps for $570 vs 150 fps for $1200. Just keep the remaining $630 in your wallet and buy a way faster gpu after 2 years with it, a gpu that's better than rtx 4080. Not to mention, sell your existing 4070 for like $200 in two years and add it up to your purchase to buy an even faster gpu.
I feel like the 4070 is so close to being an actually great card. If it was $50-$100 cheaper and/or had 16gb of vram, preferably both, I think it’d be much more positively received. It’d essentially be a modern featured 3080 that’s smaller, draws 2/3 the power, has more vram, and costs $150-$200 less. That feels like a genuinely great spot for it
At 400-450 for aib cards 16GB of vram it would be an okay card imo (not sure what your prices are, here it's about 700 euros).
"if the 4070 was not a bad card, it would have been a good card. so close"
The RTX 4070 is $50 cheaper now in response to the release of the RX 7800 XT.
It’s the only 4000-series card that isn’t dumb, really
Every one but nvidia and their shareholders agrees with you, its a classic Apple dick move.....
very good video. i still have a gtx 1070ti and want maybe next year to upgrade. but the (speicher takt) and somethink other stuff like the price. i will wait whats the 5000er series will show.
Thank you 🙏 and sounds like a plan!
Thanks for the detailed video, useful this.
Thanks for a good video and a historical overview specifically. I've lost my PC and in a market for a new one. I am waiting for price drops closer to the 5th series release, cause I doubt I can afford the 5080 at launch but am willing to wait to snag a 4080 at a sweet price or even 4090. What do you think about getting previous gen? Will the 4080 perform as good for several years as 1080ti did?
In March I was looking at the 4070ti vs 7900XT.
They were priced about the same at the time and RT was not a big topic for me.
I considered the games I was playing and as they were performing about the same at 1440p, the additional VRAM is what sold me at the time and I went for the 7900XT.
3 months later and the 7900XT has moved ahead of the 4070ti in 1440p performance, while still at the same price point.
My guess is that 40 series Nvidia cards will hit VRAM limitations before hit by limitations on other performance aspects. I expect the VRAM amount to turn out to be the achilles heel of the 4080 and 4070 and 4070ti.
Depends on the resolution you play at. For 1440p, 12gb should be fine and 16gb should be plenty for many years to come.
@@Z4d0k Yes, resolution matters a great deal, but its not the only factor. F.ex. RT causes more VRAM usage and the gaming industry has generally needed "overspend" effort to stay within VRAM limitations. Not to say they dont need to optimize, but at some point the balance is off. I expect this to change and them to target 16Gb for 1440p in the newest and coming games (2-3 years). The 4080 will be OK, but the 4070ti will be powerfull enough, but not have enough VRAM. Owners will be forced to dial down quality, despite the GPU being powerfull enough.
This leads me back to my choice of the 7900XT over the 4070ti at the same pricepoint. If the 4080 was at the same price as the 7900XT, I might have gone for that. If RT was important for me I would have asked myself if I should wait for the 4080 to reduce in price.
To be honest, for the past 25 years, I have had both AMD and NVidia cards and just go for what is the best choice at the time. I see drivers being part of the narrative a lot of times, but most of the time its stories that are years old, so we as gamers should rather ask ourselves if these stories are still relevant for choice of GPU today?
yeah amd drivers aging well is just a consequence of the fact that at day1 basically half of their stuff just doesn't work/properly and it takes ages for amd to fix them lol but I would definitely stick with 7900 xt this time, especially if rt gimmick is not a thing for you
I just bought a strix 4070 ti OC I appreciate you showing the dlss.
I have laptop with 3060 mobile gpu, I was thinking to move desktop setup. Would you recommend to wait another year till 50 series comes out ? I have also find great deal for desktop with rtx 3090 which has 350 usd less price tag compare to rtx 4070ti, should I go for that deal ?
My 4090 gives me the vibes i had, when i first tested my 1080ti 6 years ago. Its a massive performance leap from my previous 3090 but needs less power and runs quite and cool (60C) even on cyperpunk 2077 with pathtracing. And first i was sceptical about frame generation. But when setup correctly its a insane technique already.
cyberprank?
Lol I still use a 1080 ti
@@dominicward bro i have a gtx 750 please give me if u dont need it
@@Handsome_Squidward69420 sorry but i use this as my main and don't have any replacements : (
@@Handsome_Squidward69420bay sell them for less than a night out with a mediocre looking date. Much better value.
Great job! My son in law just purchased a 4070ti, So I decided to do some research and see what card to get for my self. I honesty think I will wait and see what the 5000 series will bring. !m still rocking a 2080 super. I just actually took it apart and cleaned it last night, since the fans were making some noises. I never understood why the negative always shines through, but I always struggled to get nice things. Once my wife received her back pay on her disability we bought some really nice gaming PC's that was 3.5 years ago. She passed away last year in a car accident. To wrap it up I really enjoy this video, I also watched LinusTT video, but yours made my decision, Thank you.
my condolences to you and your wife, thank you for sharing and i hope you get something nice after waiting
I feel like you made me rethink my ideal approach on the 40 series now after me getting the ROG Strix RTX 4060 Ti 16Gb ED OC over my RTX 2080 Ti considering the variant P2P difference I'd have in my games. With that said, I think you should do another video when and after the newer Super, Ti & Super Ti's come in the near future of this posting to further go if Nvidia fixed their mistakes. In the beginning of me using GPUs, I already knew that the higher the variant of the card the better it would be until my father told me something that made me just watch videos about it and turned my mind about GPU variants completely upside down which really pissed me off so thanx actually for this.....................really got me thinking about my gaming lifes' XPs............................
Your perfect use of visual demonstration makes me so happy thank youbso much!
Moral of the story: Stop giving a flying flamingo about people. These chums commenting on here that exact sentiment that I just described, myself included. Ignore us all. That's literally what I do. You won't know about any of what I have because I and only I know of the great things in life that I have and only I know how hard I worked to get them. Some di*kwad kid on the internet can't tell me otherwise, so I don't even give them a chance to judge me. Nothing ever comes from sharing your riches with random idiots online. When sometimes even those close to you envy you, what can you expect from a bunch of basement dwellers raging all day online? At the end of the day, what I have gives me immense pleasure and just knowing the haters can't ever dream of having this experience just makes my experience all the more sweet. Great video btw, Cheers!
Thank you! I appreciate that!
This is something I need to consider myself
I'm running a 1660ti because that was what I could afford...I nearly bankrupt myself buying a 3080, and was only saved because it broke the next day and I returned it for a full refund
I suspect 50 series GPU's will not be as good as you think, but your logic would clearly be correct. The difference this time being, Nvidia is so invested in AI systems. Which yield them much much greater profits compared to gamer GPU's. I would think they will care even less in next generation about the gamers, making 50 series as bad as 40 series or with slight improvements. At least if they learn to supply proper memory amounts with next gen cards, In my ipinion that will be a win for us gamers. Price/performance however will not have a much better outcome.
Thank you for all the information you have really helped me with decisions