NASCAR's Billion Dollar Identity Problem
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- čas přidán 17. 04. 2022
- NASCAR is at a crossroads. Can the sport regain relevance and hold onto its roots?
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There is stage racing in F1 as well, they call that Nicolas Latifi.
Ha gottem
Lol I was thinking of stroll and maze-spin prior to his sanctioning too.
@@SteelCityIceBirds yes. Also think about Lanzhu Zhong in F1 as well.
Bruh 😂😂.
Always was stages in nascar too, it was just called debris cautions during commercial break.
"Nobody wants to see a race track close"
Yeah. Drag strips are being closed at an alarming rate.
Yeh but straight lines can be built anywhere
True. My local auto cross group is getting 2 out of 3 locations taken from us after this year and that’s not even real tracks… let that sink in.
This coming weekend is the last for Bay Town, TX. A lot of history was made at that track and now it's going to be an industrial park.
How about f Disney boycott it
too bad there weren't more Cleetus's around :P
NASCAR needs to allow teams to develop their own engines... Knowing that every car in the field has a Chevy-based engine is weak. The fact that Toyota made an engine within rules, using less fuel, and making more power needs to push manufacturers to engineering limits
NASCAR really just needs to make it so that engine, Transmission and rear Diff are all manufacturer products while retaining the chassis and suspension requirements. Additionally I think they need to let drivers be drivers again.
Yeah, The thing is, that’s not happening, NASCAR is trying to go closer to spec racing with the gen 7. Multi design racing tends to be hit or miss so I understand why they’re leaning towards spec racing.
We need the good old days when teams were narrowing their cars and putting a load of time into their engines trying all kinds of new and exciting stuff to squeeze out every ounce of power
@@leviathan0232but more power = less safety, and less safety = more injuries, and more injuries = more nonpositive media coverage and nonpositive media coverage = less sponsorships.
@@Neqzi_ Safety has nothing to do with engine power. F1 generates an insane amount of power, while it's also incredibly safe, the FIA has a mandated set of safety regulations that all teams have to abide by and they're rigorously tested and checked to make sure nobody is cutting corners. This is how drivers survive 50G+ crashes in F1, it's not impossible for NASCAR to do the same. Let the teams innovate their own engines but make sure they're abiding by an appropriately written sets of safety regulations.
The craziest thing about the playoff system is imagine winning 35 of 36 races, finishing 2nd in the last race and not winning the championship... Very small chance but the way the system is it could happen. That's dumb enough to change it right there.
Yep!!!
It's just brutal seeing any driver have their season, whether their in contention for the title or not, get wrecked by the playoffs.
What's really crazy is how many times the champion has won last race of the season to clinch the championship.
Has to be the strangest way to determine a winner in all of motorsports idk it works for other sports but it just doesn't seem right or fair in motorsport
Playoffs in a race series is the stupidest idea I have heard in a while may as well give them participation trophies too🤪
NASCAR fan since mid 70s (yes i am old) lost interest in 2010s, Gen7 cars has me watching more again because of new tech and this batch of new young talent. Also a couple good Hockey fights at end of a race always adds spice and discussions with friends over which driver was a Butt this week. great video Nolan, keep up the good work Donut Media.
I quit watching and going to races in the mid 90s when they started giving motor home spots on the front lines of the infield and this stage racing IS COMPLETE BULLSHITE... it took away from the whole point
Did yall watch Bristol last night? If not yall missed out, it was just as good as when Dale raised hell in my opinion and the finish was wild with the 2 race leaders taking each other out on the last lap.
@@OGDemonburn I agree with you, the last few years Nascar has just kept getting better because of old complacent drivers getting out of the way... The young guns are pushing it well this year.
A lot of the current problems are the stages format for the race and the fans at the events screaming out profanities and talking about buttholes constantly. Seriously the young fans who do go tend to be trash.
@@boiledpnutz 🤡
“Influencers and real celebrities” I love you Nolan
made me laugh...
@@scottcol23 me too.... 😂😂
Nascar slowly destroying itself with weirdness : stages during race , weird daytona time trials system , end of season playoffs , allowing 200mph cheap-shots (its not a demo derby) ,…
PREACH
I didn't even catch that the first time, that's hilarious lmao.
I grew up at NASCAR tracks in the 90’s, my family and I went every year. Shortly after “the car of tomorrow” it all really fell apart pretty fast. We went maybe three times after that. The races got mad boring and the drivers weren’t allowed to express any emotion.
Yep, it feels very dystopian now.
I believe when they took away brand competition is when the true downfall started. Once was a time when manufacturers built what they had and said "here we go". Best car wins. It created great competition between the big 3 (Mopar, Ford, Chevy). Then Dodge came out with something the other brands couldn't compete with (not Mopars fault). They got barred. From then on it killed the sport. We got cookie cutter cars. You couldn't buy the car you saw on race day anymore. Its called STOCK car racing. The stock has been removed. Its sad. Think of the cars we would have if it was left alone!
NASCAR has changed so much and displayed such an incredible inconsistency in following its own rules that they have left this lifelong fan behind.
I could not agree with you more it's just not like just not like back in the day
BINGO! I could cite a thousand examples to illustrate this point. But you summed it up here.
That settlement of yours speaks more than how I express NASCAR today.
I think they are more concerned with building a new fan base and are not focused on caring about traditional fans. The nascar corporate mindset: If the old fans come along great, but if they don’t that’s fine; so long as we can keep building a strong new basis of fans who will allow us to grow further.
The reason nascar is dying is because they do it to themselves. First off they brought politics into nascar and alienated their original fans that are the main fuckin reason nascar even is where it is today. Then people don’t like the new cars especially when their just going to get worse because of emissions and shit like that. Then the fact that they changed racing in Daytona to racing in California that losses a lot of people off. Nascar is trying to appeal to the liberal/work market and their not very interested. Honestly I feel more bad for the fans then anything else.
Great, cohesive explanation of where NASCAR currently stands. It feels like NASCAR has been stuck on the fence for several years now, unsure how much to embrace change versus traditions. Fortunately the Next Gen has resulted in mostly great racing so far. And as yall pointed out, great racing has to be the first step forward.
Hey
Lets get Noah and maybe James on the NWP with the boys?
Eric Estepp
Eric and Donut! The crossover we all want 😌
Cool to see you here mr. Estepp! It wouldn’t be a nascar video without you haha
My wife hated cars and especially watching them until Drive To Survive aired and provided her with drama and some recognition of who everyone was. Now she watches F1 with me at 3am live most races.
This formula works. That's how I got mine into football, the storylines and drama. She has watched enough seasons now to have coaches she likes and loves when an underdog steps up and gets a big win. Nascar needs to put more of this type of stuff out there, like an episode of Hard Knocks documenting a team/driver's struggle through a heartbreaking season.
Nascar gets more emotional moments and can make great drama but the media does it all wrong. Always picking at little scuffles hoping more comes out of it or picking a scab until people are sick of hearing about it.
I'm getting interesting to GT Racing, not F1, and not NASCAR
Does she still hate cars outside of racing?
Agreed. My gf loved the storyline and drama. It's like Real Housewives except there's racing in between. She asked for F1 merch for her bday. It even had an effect on me. After that first DTS season I picked up and built a trackable miata.
I despise the playoffs and usually start losing interest once it starts to be honest. its so contrived and rarely ends with the right guy being champ.
Any system you can win 35 of 36 races and still be able to lose the championship, is a stupid system.
System also allows for someone to only run 11 of 36 races to have a chance to win the championship.
An nfl team with a .500 record can get in the playoffs and advance to beat an undefeated team in the super bowl. Same in pretty much any sport. A low ranked boxer can knock out the undefeated champ with one punch. What do you want?
@@acemechanical275 Not sure if you've ever watched either sport, but in football only two teams play per game. In nascar, every team is on track together every week.
Sounds like every sport tbh, but I get it.
I agree if you win majority of the races and not win the championship is kind of bologna
Born and raised NASCAR fan, saw season 1 of Drive to Survive; couldn't get enough! Watched qualifying, the races the next season. Watched all of Drive to Survive season 2. Haven't missed a race this season yet. F1 is just so much more interesting. The cars, the tech, the closeness viewers get of the drivers and teams. It really is unrivaled.
But also; raise hell, praise Dale!
When you realize Kyle Busch jackets are considered "vintage"
Right holy smokes I feel lame
During the race last night they said he was 36. I remember when he won his first coors pole award they joked that he couldn’t drink. I feel so old
LoL
yeah ive been watching since i was a kid in the 90s and he was the cool fast rookie to me 🤣 i wouldve loved one of those early 00s jackets
Its gotta be 90's stuff. Best color schemes and an actual vintage aesthetic.
“No on wants to see a race track close” hits too close to home because palm beach international raceway is turning into warehouses 😭
A lot of that is being said underneath this video
Atlanta drag way is gone
Houston Raceway Park is about to close and will most likely get bulldozed into warehouses.
PBIR was the track I always wanted to race on. Since it’s going to close. Man idk, I guess I’ll stick to the streets until I feel like driving 3+ hours for a track event
It is?! I was born right near there and went as a kid a lot, back when it was Moroso. That sucks.
"just look at Formula 1"
Following 12 months of what's widely regarded as one of the most titanic battles in modern history, going down to the last race. Then 3 races of a whole new generation of car, with again, two teams fighting it out for the win, with it unknown as to who would be ahead.
Referring to F1 pre 2021, makes his point, I feel that should be specified
I stopped watching F1 after the 2021 FIA s*show shenanigans.
@@sensualeye firstly, I don't remember asking. Secondly, if you're petty enough to turn off over that, then the sport is better without you. The whole sport is rigged with politics and pockets lined left right and centre. It's a business at the end of the day, drama sells. It's the real world.
@@Sweaty__Sheep I agree with the latter part of your response and that is why I stopped watching. If I want to watch WWE I'll tune in to that. 2021 was just obscene. Yes, it was rigged.
I know how motorsports work from being involved from the grassroots level to international competition participating in multiple roles over nearly 50 years.
Why so hostile? I'll admit I should have been more pointed. You brought up "the battle". That was something that was fabricated or enhanced if you'd like, through the fast and loose application of regulations, not competition. As I see it was purely done to create drama for the Netflix series which they are heavily relying upon to broaden their viewing audience share.
@@sensualeye You seem like a NASCAR fan bud.
@@ChefofWar33 NASCAR is not my thing. These days it's about Formula E, Stadium Trucks, WEC, and Supercars race series.
Cheers
I also think nascar needs to lower the amount of races to increase the feeling of importance for each race. When you have 36 races it’s hard to commit to being passions about following every race for more than half the year. Series like F1, motoGP and super cross/motocross keep it a manageable 20. Also the races are too long. For tracks as simple as ovals, 400-500 laps is too many. Races should be kept to around 2hrs start to finish. This also gets rid of the need for stages and makes each lap and pass seem more important
There was a clip of Sergio Perez saying that if they increase from 23 races in F1 he’ll quit. 36 races is absurd.
Agree with every point... and would add that Indy Car this year has only 13 races, I think....
As an F1 fan, 23 weekend of racing is tiring. Now imagine the on track personel.
@@rizkyanandita8227 This is the part most people kinda forgets. A lot of people sacrifice their time with their family to focus on the team, that's not healthy..
@@AbrahamArthemius granted Nascar is not an international series. But still 36 is a lot.
That point system is the most outrageous thing I’ve heard of in my life
I like the point system. It is much better than what we had in the 90s and early 00s where a champ was determined before the end of the season. I think it also does a good job of making sure drivers perform well in the playoffs but gives them a bit of a cushion so they aren't eliminated by dumb luck. I don't think there has been an undeserving champion or even an undeserving group of playoff drivers since the current point system was established.
@@derel1cte if you ask me it adds more dumb luck. Whoever performs the best throughout the entire season should be champion, if they clinch it a few races early it's because they deserve it.
@@JaredGetz I disagree. It's never fun to see a driver who is dominant get the shaft because of some DNFs caused by an unavailable wreck or part failure during th regular season, especially when they had multiple wins (look at Mark Martin in the early 90s). I think it makes sense that anyone with a win gets a shot in the playoffs. With the current playoffs every race matters. Can you still advance with a DNF? Yeah, but it means that you will have to win to get into the next round. I don't think it's dumb luck if the only way to recover from a bad race is to have to win one of the next two.
In any case, the current playoff format has been working for years. There was a period with the Chase that really sucked and made no sense. I don't think people remember back to how anti climactic nascar seasons were in winston cup years.
@@derel1cte consistency should always determine championships part failures and crashes are part of racing. Straight up points style makes every race count not just the last 10.
People tend to make it sound over complicated when explaining it when it's pretty simple at its core
You get 1 point per position. Then a bonus playoff point for winning a stage and 5 bonus playoff points for winning a race. The playoff points get added at the start of each round of the playoffs.
I was actually a consultant hired by NASCAR on the merger between them and ISC. Getting to see the inner workings of the company was really interesting and they seem hugely aware the issues they have.
You want the fans back. Dump the play off Plat form and look what made nascar the highest sport just under the NFL. Go back to what worked.
Like making up lies about garage pull down ropes?
@@PD-we8vf Give it a break.
Yet they don’t act on them lol
JP what were your thoughts on NASCAR banning the Confederate flag? I watched the Bubba Wallace film and came away from it feeling like the guy has genuinely suffered which we need to do something about, but I also felt taking something so cultural away from the fan base may not have been the best way ??
My thoughts on how to fix nascar:
Ditch the standardized body regardless of manufacturer, let teams build their own engines, ditch the play offs, ditch stage racing, and go back to 5 nuts on the car
Ngl, that sounds cool. Seeing unique bodies like in F1
@@superxavxii421 well it’s what Nascar used to be for the longest time, now there’s no discernible difference between the three cars running
My argument is they need to put the stock car back into it. Make the manufacturer sell x amount of cars with the same body, engine, and drive train. Before they can race them.
@@tin117man9 but if we use the word homologation with NASCAR fans, will they get all "I ain't no type of logation, son"
@@CharizardMaster69 wrong
I'm in my late 30s and grew up watching with my country bumpkin relatives - it was fun and the drivers had a lot of personality so that made it exciting to watch. I dropped off, and now it feels impossible to get back into it. the points system is mind boggling, too many big corporate cookie cutter tracks, and I don't know the drivers at all like they don't stand out to me.
great video and I agree with everything you said 👍
I feel this was perfectly timed after last nights Bristol dirt race, cause when Kyle got out of the car and was being bombarded with "boos" from the crowd, the first thing he said was "I feel like Dale Sr right now". And Gragson's interview during a rain delay and he kept rambling on cause he did not know what to do with the camera on him
I'm not sure why he referenced Gragson as good for the sport. The kid is terrible on TV. He knew he was rambling, said he was rambling, and kept rambling.
@@SpcNATlON Shut up.
@@SpcNATlON but I think that shows he is human and not a prepped media machine. It showed an element of realism. And it was hella entertaining. That interview alone made me like him more
@@anthonykilcline4757 Amen, that felt so real and human - it's why I watch NASCAR (as a non-American) over other motorsports, they feel like real people in those cars, instead of media toys.
I started watching NASCAR towards the end of last season and hearing Kyle thank his Mum for recording his early go-kart laps to help him improve was so heartwarming, an instant favourite of mine going in to this season, and I'm just collecting characters now that I'm fond of seeing succeed.
The Gragson interview added another character.
@@m123c456r789 Kyle is kind of a big jerk, just so you know, if you just started watching. You’ll come to see more of it. I guess it does him make him a “character” but he got boo’ed not only because reddick shoulda won… It’s because he’s an A**
As a motorsport fan I watch Indycar, WEC, Imsa, F1 but NASCAR points are plain confusing
No their not. Their easy to understand. But their not rewarding
@@thechevynascarstandi9 lm a diehard fan and its still way too complicated
I wish NASCAR had a straight up points format similar to Formula One.
@@NASCARIn-CarRadio exactly
@@thechevynascarstandi9 their what?
I've been watching NASCAR since the mid 90s and watch every race unless I'm away and I agree with pretty much everything here. Stage racing has got to go, or at the very least remove the cautions. It ruins road course strategy. I also hate the winner take all finale. In some ways, the current format is an even more "fair" version of the chase for the cup but I really want to see the guy that dominates the season get the trophy. Champions are more memorable when they dominate a season and hoist the trophy. I was rooting for Larson last year to win just because I felt he deserved it the most. Like Nolan said, not every race needs to be a nail biter, and not every season championship needs to be one either. It makes the ones that are feel more special. They keep trying to re-create the magic of the 1992 season where 5 drivers had a shot at the title in the last race but nothing they do now can bring back that magic without letting it happen organically.
My 3 points to “fix” NASCAR:
1) Strategically place team HQs around the country. It works for all other sports and builds a fan base.
2) More road courses. NASCAR has done a lot to modernize its image, but the “turn left” stigma is still here. Have the cars leave the smaller tracks onto closed off roads.
3) Allow drivers to have a personality. The end race press conference and the forced sip of the sponsor drink is so dry. Let them showboat, show up to the race in ridiculous outfits, say outrageous things. Keep the audience talking after the race.
@@nascarfanFlatTire Six races out of 36? I like road courses, so I'd say about 10 road races a year would be awesome!
i think the "fix" comes to the fans itself, the NASCAR compilations on net are crashes, upset and no-sportmanship, a few videos are of actual racing stuff like overtakes, skill and tech
That last one is what Nascar always have done great and is the best selling point... Part of the sport is getting to know the drivers and being a fan of them... The issue these days is all the big names are reteered and now they have to start all over again... Still though I know atleast 3 that are on their way.
@@nascarfanFlatTire There should only be 6 ovals maximum. Everything else should be a road course. Otherwise its just left turns.
@@nascarfanFlatTire But nobody watches it.
A good new nascar game with sim feel, real damage, and PC availability would do a lot for Nascar too. Some vintage cars in it would be sweet too
Totally agree. NASCAR games have been a masive fail for a long time.
@@busterbarlow9094 I always think back to NASCAR Thunder 2002 and just hope we get something as fun as that but with all the modern goodies
@@Beebeebobingee the current best Sim iRacing was based on the 90s PC NASCAR game. That was lots of fun. Its Amazing that they keep failing. Who ever is in charge of finding a developer should be fired lol. We have great consoles and a game that doesnt even have a rear view mirror lmao.
100 percent agree if they could get codemasters or kunos to help them develop a game that would be amazing
@@elirussell1796 a Kunos nascar game would be so cool!!
A fight was the biggest thing that ever happened for NASCAR. I love the new cars and they've always been some of the most violent racecars on the planet.
I agree with everything y'all are saying.
I think that dude chuggin a drink in front of the stands was pretty cool.
At least let them get a few swings in.
No one said NASCAR is a gentleman sport.
I agree with most of what they are saying, but an easy fix for TV is to have one OTA network like NBC handle the whole season, and then for streaming put it on their cheap Peacock streaming service as premium content along with themed NASCAR shows just like WWE has done for their stuff, so people can watch it on the go, or without needing an Antenna, but what they are not talking about here that has hurt NASCAR more than anything in the eyes of a lot of very long time fans in recent years has been their WOKE politics, like the whole Bubba Wallace farce with the door pulls!!
@@CommodoreFan64 They aren't going to talk about that one- The race part is always gonna be a thing but it's never with the actual drivers. No time to think about that at 180mph... But as a white guy who's been in the stands, midfield and camped outside the track a bunch- there's plenty of racist shit said.
So, I'm gonna concentrate on the fun parts. Cause I can't even with the wokeness or the racism. Ugh, I just like cars.
@@CommodoreFan64 I agree it pissed off a few people ( Myself included) but I don't think many left NASCAR because of that.
A whole lot of people left NASCAR when Earnhardt senior died .
People have the number 3 on their back windshield and they don't follow NASCAR any more. People wear whole #3 Earnhardt atire and do not follow NASCAR anymore. 😒
I think one of the reasons nascar struggles while F1 thrives is the number of teams and the names of said teams. F1 has 10 teams most of which are car companies simple to remember means simple to jump in and become a fan of.
Man… you guys have really refined this thing, no one else is serving it up in as many entertaining yet informative ways as Donut! Keep the foot on the gas boys!
I agree that NASCAR needs to let their drivers be free to express themselves because of how much it worked for F1. Even if F1 drivers are PR-polished, their personality and charisma is a huge part of what keeps F1 fans hyped, even during the winter breaks.
It gives new fans reasons to support a particular driver or a team.
Its about the racing ... not the driver
@@BrandonSLedford What makes the racing happen then?
@@mauricebarry8858 he’s saying it’s about the product on the track not the driver drama caught on camera.
The rules and regs have become so strict that it’s killed what made the sport attractive.
TheClamHammer half of the appeal of F1 is drama and politics outside the track. All that “check their rear wing this, penalize that” is giving additional context to the race itself. You start to care even about fights for P8, because you know the drivers, what they have to gain and lose in the fight, who’s being a sick and who need those 4 points more.
Now, F1 is special considering the amount of money and influence at stake, which in turn makes this dramas interesting, and not every Motorsport needs it, but still, it’s fun as well.
@@mauricebarry8858 Your not seeing the other side of it
“People are dropping a lot of money on vintage NASCAR gear…”
Just because someone is wearing a Motley Crüe t-shirt, that doesn’t mean they like Nu Metal. Hell, it doesn’t even mean they’ve ever listened to Motley Crüe.
A billboard does not need to know what it is selling.
hahaha !! Reminds me of Meatloaf's second album and being asked if I've "heard this new band "......... sigh
Honestly I’m just floored you referred to Motley Crue as being Nu Metal lol
Mötley Crüe is not Nu Metal it’s 80s metal or hair metal
@@legorobotics1017 stay after class to speak with the teacher.
-Lose the points system and playoffs(Jeff Gordon should be a 7 Time champ,in my heart he is,ive done the math)
-Also NOAH rocks, people who don't like him and have critiqued him are same people who support Kyle Busch *head scratcher
-we need a Netflix!These guys are awesome!
-we need Ryan Blaney on the hot wing show and we need Chase Elliott at more Georgia Bull Dog games on ESPn
-yes yes and yes you nailed it! haha
The broadcast money could be solved. With live streaming, you sign a deal to get them there, then NASCAR gets a portion of ad revenue for anything aired during their event.
I thought it was so badass this past weekend when they added a BUNCH of dirt and clay to Bristol Motor Speedway. Kinda gave an old school vibe with a bunch of other variables drivers had to accommodate for
They did that last year too, except it was sort of a washout last year since it rained and the mud caked up the grills and cameras. Similar to what happened this year towards the beginning of the race, except last year they had to completely delay the race.
Yeah it's sick. Until you see an actual dirt car go around dirt Bristol
@@DUN1231 or just real dirt racing in general. midgets around a short track is way cooler than watching the nascars go around bristol, although midget races aren't as long.
I actually caught that one day at work when it was on. I was honestly so confused. I stood there knowing I was watching nascar, but watching cars move slower, sliding, cars pulling into the pit to clean dirt out of the grill. It was really interesting!
With a bunch of other variables?
Dude. Bristol Dirt was outright impossible to predict. I was COLD when Suarez was going in front (i've been one of his fans for like 10 ~ 13 years now), and i say that i felt cold inside when on my house was at like 90 degrees (~35 celsius)
Then the rain of the lap 128 came out with him in third, and i was completely outfreaked.
And i need to say, that even if my guy didn't won, Bristol Dirt WAS AN SPECTACULAR RACE.
Props to you guys at Donut for uploading this just 24 hours after the Bristol dirt race! Personally, I love the new gen 7 cars, they're a definite upgrade over the previous counterpart.
I'm so upset that I missed it, I was hyped for it
the number change was odd but schemes are fire this year, but damn do I miss the old placement
I live In Bristol I’m a tow truck driver and the amount of people that came out this year was alarming compared to years in the past it seemed like a ghost town in Bristol it’s just not the same anymore
There is a huge resurgence in interest in motorsports. I think NASCAR could get there not only by potentially partnering with a streaming service (instead of offering their own) but also potentially partnering with other series. Could you imagine a racing festival at Indianapolis with Indy, NASCAR, and Formula 1? As an F1 fan and F1TV subscriber, I've started getting big into junior Formulas - F2 and F3 are fast cars and the kids are amazing. The more content and the more available the content is, the more people they'll attract.
Those new cars are really sharp, too!
Completely agree with the driver personality statement. Since F1 under liberty media, they’ve had the drivers doing other videos and really showing their personalities, hence why Ricardo isn’t the best driver on the track, but absolutely is one of the most loved drivers.
Classic nascar had big personalities that people tuned in for every other week. The racing come second, it was the loose unit that was giving the interview that was the entertainment. And when they reeled them in and stoped letting the drivers have fun, it all went very beige.
It’s almost as if no longer racing stock cars has made “stock car” racing less exciting. Cleetus Macfarland managed to make more interesting racing than NASCAR by just running 20 retired Crown Vic cop cars around a 3/8th mile oval. Kinda like what NASCAR used to be decades ago.
Someone needs to send this to a nascar executive
Like the old iroc racing.
Yep so put a Toyota Supra head to head with a Mustang and 1 is gonna pull away after 1 lap no problem at all
Stock cars weren't even stock when this sport began. At the least they were cars with modified engines, to escape police during prohibition, but as we get to the modern era, in the early 70s, the cars were no where near stock, aside from the body. The Gen 6 car did produce great racing when it's engine was unrestricted and they had small spoilers, but because of safety they slowed the cars down which made it boring. The car isn't the problem, it's Nascar and the media around it that are creating a bad product.
@@RazorIronEagle mustangs have the HP advantage over Supras they're gonna walk away. But I would like to have diversity of engine's running v8s and v6s all running in their production car bodies.
NASCAR doesn’t need their own streaming service, they need a deal with Hulu or Peacock to stream live races with ads. I’m never getting cable, but I’d watch nascar on peacock tv. But you’re absolutely right, we need a driver on hot ones, a driver hosting SNL, a driver fighting Logan Paul, a driver dating a Kardashian, all the classic easy media attention ploys. Send a couple drivers to the Met Gala this year in peacock feathers.
Heck even better if they could, at least, just try a little bit make non-NA audience easier to watch.
We will never know people outside NA love to watch some random Yankee doing random thing
I volunteer bubba Wallace as tribute. Lol he'd look great in feathers.
@@grim-ripa Oh Jeepers
CZcams tv
Video was informative.
In the thumbnail, I thought that was Matt H. Watson from SuperMega and you were gonna talk about how they sponsored a car last year and how CZcamsrs can help in changing some aspects of NASCAR.
Thanks Nolan
All your points are on par!!! Another big problem I have with NASCAR is the time for the races. They would of started the races at 1pm, now they start at 3pm. Plus with my favorite track is up in Pocono, they meaning NASCAR is fighting with mother nature. So they try to get as many laps in before it starts to rain. Why not add Windshield Wipers to the cars and Race tires with treads. I don't want to leave a race early due to the fact the weather!! I love going to the races and I love the atmosphere!! You arrive on Sunday mornings or Saturday Nights and you hear the most beautiful sounds!! You breathe in the fresh Fragrance of BURNING RUBBER and engine oil!! I'll always be a fan and I get it NASCAR needs these TV deals!! AS you said to be reverent again! NASCAR need to get with the times. Maybe bring other America Car manufactures to NASCAR give cars a different looks. I look forward to the future and the 7 Gen cars don't disappoint!! Try to reach the wider audience but be conservative!! To me I believe that the Stages are a bit much. Maybe do no more then two stages a race, do the first after the first 150 laps and the last with 50 laps left. The playoff setup should follow the F1 Series style. MAKE NASCAR GREAT AGAIN lol.
I've been astonished overall to find that I've enjoyed watching NASCAR for the first time possibly ever. I was intrigued by the Donut video about the new cars; then the race at Vegas got me interested, COTA was *amazing*, and I was absolutely astonished to find out that they had introduced a dirt event - for points! - in the middle of the season.
I personally enjoy the variety, but I also get the traditionalists wanting to stay with what they are used to, especially when it comes points races. I’ve been watching since 2001, so I’ve seen the sport’s transformation through five distinct body styles, countless points systems, and hundreds of drivers. Honestly, you can’t make everyone happy, so I can’t blame them for wanting to appeal to a larger fanbase. Last year was a great season overall, and this year is starting off just as entertaining. I’m here for it.
Making the cars similar to their production counterparts is an extremely good idea.
Lets us know which cars to go by later on after the Nascar cup is finished, aka which manufacturer (s) gets good publicity.
It's not a new idea it's how nascar was actually meant to be they should also be running manufacturers own engines
@@sandasturner9529 That will be win on Sunday buy on Monday
soo basically muscle cars (or v8 import coupes) with NASCAR engine regs but modernized early 90's DTM chassis and Aero requirements?
@@minorclips7541 I wonder how interesting it would be to watch them have free reign on designing everything F1 style. But sounds expensive.
Thanks for this video. Great intro to Nascar for me, an F1 watcher.
I started watching NASCAR last year in preparation for this year‘s generation of car because I really wanted to see how they would improve and the racing is very good the last few races they’ve had three or four people that could’ve won it on the last lap within seconds of each other it’s incredible.
Been watching NASCAR since 2002. You guys nailed it with everything. Rip the bandaids of stage racing and the playoffs off and let the racing with this new car play out organically.
I was happy that the Talledega race ended organically. The superspeedways always have overtime restarts but this one was green to the end! Fantastic race
Cleetus Mcfarland is bringing a love for Nascar back to the youth of the nation...
Just watch Cleetus and cars in BRISTOL, at INDY..... He has shown how to bring in fans to track racing...
Add in a BURNOUT pad.... Kids LOVE carnage!!
Do it for Dale!!!
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The only "nascar" cleetus is around is his dale truck lol... just cause he does roundy round races at his track and says do it for dale doesn't mean he's bringing love back for nascar. Ive watched every one of his videos since he started on 1320video and never once did i think "man i gotta watch some nascar racing"... now "man i gotta watch more stadium trucks and dirt oval racing" has been said a bunch.
@@MillionairX Cleetus has had Alex Bowman, Kurt Busch(who won his race), Hailie Deegan, and a couple other nascar drivers at his track in his events racing...
As well with the Nations Crew Chief in the Box a few times... Larry Mac..
He has very much always been a supporter and promoter of Nascar and IS behind its culture resurging having MANY bring back the MULLET...
Are you sure you have been watching?... because ole Cleeter has been making some moves lately...
Cleetus and Cars is hitting Bristol this year to add to Indy...
It's not what Cleetus has in cars that Nascar needs, he is king of the Crown Vic..
it's what Cleeter has in PERSONALITY and PRESENCE that Nascar needs...
It's His model of collecting and conducting a fan base...
LS George has a Dale wrapped Impala now as well as the Dale truck.... I don't think you have been paying attention
@@TroyC68 pretty sure the mullet has been trying to make a comeback for the last ten years or so lol I wouldn’t say cleet is doing that. You are correct on everything else though. If nascar brought in cleet, and I mean full cleet not Garrett, even just to do some pre race media stuff it would boost their viewership. Lots of stuff they could do with him I’m sure he would be thrilled to be a part of it all to.
@@TroyC68 just because he has some spoiled brat drivers who can barely hang with unprofessionals doesn't mean hes all about nascar lol... Just because he hired an announcer that announces for another type of racing doesn't make him all about nascar.... Just because he has a dale truck and a buddy with a fwd monte carlo that has some stickers on it doesn't make him all about nascar.... Ever notice the singular thing about all those things? dale. lol. Just because he is holding events at different tracks than his own doesn't make him all about nascar... Great to see you make up stories in your head though, imagination keeps a person young.
This was a very honest and deep dive on NASCAR popularity. I’ve had these thoughts on the sport for years.
Great video. I agree 100% that the drivers need to be more mainstream. I believe that Jeff Gordon mentioned that a few months ago about the Hendrick drivers.
I grew up watching NASCAR and never missed a race from the mid 80’s until the mid 2000’s. I still go regularly to local short track races and have become a huge fan of IMSA. However, Nascar has become so vanilla it is hard to root for the drivers and the cars all look the same. It is genuinely hard for the average person to even recognize which cars are which.
When you watch IMSA, there is no doubt which car is a Corvette , Porsche, BMW, or Lexus and the real stars are the cars themselves. I think back to the late 80’s and NASCAR had 5 or 6 manufacturers and the cars all resembled the cars sold at the dealership. How much better would it be to see nascar running modified versions of the gt4 camaro’s, mustang’s, and Supra’s than the homologous abomination they run now?
The new cars for this year actually look like the models they represent. I believe the manufactures provide the body panels (or at least the "molds"). But yea, the late 90s and 2000s cars didnt really resemble the models they were based on, and then the "Car of Tomorrow" was basically a single standard car. But they decided to move away from that.
And, - not trying to talk down on you or anything , just thought you might find it interesting - I gotta mention that the cars from the 70's and 80's (that you said looked like the showroom models) were actually custom built race cars with a couple body panels that looked like the car. NASCAR found out very quickly that racing actual stock cars - on ovals at least - was insanely dangerous and not having drivers die every weekend would require dropping the truly "stock" part. So once teams (or individual drivers back in the day) were building their own engines and roll cages/cockpits, it just made more sense for them to build the race car and then just the body onto it with some simularities to the car model. I'm pretty glad they've gone back to having different cars now. I hope some more manufacturers join to keep mixing it up!
Oh...just as an example, here is the "Next Gen" Toyota camry:
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I am a lifelong NASCAR fan. Nolan hit the nail on the head about the drivers. The sport severely lacks personalities. What made the most successful modern-era driver Jimmie Johnson so disrespected was his seemingly vanilla personality. However, when you hear stories you understand that he wasn't as such behind closed doors. The sponsorship money drives the sport but keeps the drivers on a short leash. NASCAR needs to let these guys be themselves. The boomers praise Dale to the moon, but back in the day, the gritty personalities were there right along with Dale. In the social media age, we should be seeing these drivers in a more realistic light than only under a media scrum half-scripted interview wearing a firesuit in the middle of the day. The Bubba Wallace doc on Netflix was a good start, like him or not. It showed a human side to him and Denny. We got to hear them uncensored. We got to know Bubba. A docuseries just like F1 has would be great for the rest of the garage. But the sponsorship leash really just needs to be let go. It's 2022, and we know that nobody is perfect. These drivers shouldn't have to walk on eggshells for their sponsors and be bland vanilla personalities that the layperson can tell apart. Give us characters, that's what people latch on to. Characters and story. Hey Hailie Deegan, NASCAR needs a Metal Mulisha lol. That might be a good start.
I used to be a huge nascar fan for almost 10 years and even went to both races at MIS each year, but they tore down the best stands at the track and the racing just became boring, then dale Earnhardt jr retired and there wasn’t another driver like him to get behind, I’ve recently gone back to some local tracks I haven’t been to since I was a kid in the early 2000s and the aggressive racing that I’ve been looking for is alive and well at some of those tracks, it really made me excited about racing again, I don’t watch nascar like I used to but I still keep up with some things in the sport so I hope at some point it changes for the better
I think If NASCAR came to more streaming platforms instead of regular broadcasting they would see more viewers and do so much better.
The Gen 7 car convinced me to give NASCAR a second chance this season, and aside from being boring at short tracks, it’s otherwise done a really good job. Racing is fun again. Plus, this new generation of driver seems to be a massive step up over the last generation too. I don’t mind rooting for Briscoe or Reddick or Chastain, because they drive their butts off every week and they seem like cool dudes. It was hard to get invested in drivers like Hamlin or Logano, except when someone got tired of them and punted them into the wall.
NASCAR is doing a lot right this year, but I think they could make the largest immediate improvement with the broadcast. Having Clint Boyer and a rotating herd of guest announcers in the booth works well enough, though they could stand to be a little more animated, personality wise. The commentary is interesting and adds some needed perspective, with Boyer’s driver experience bouncing off the guest. But the program itself doesn’t feel all that exciting. There’s no hype. No drama. What you see on the track is what you get, and they don’t do a great job of zeroing in on the action there.
Yeah, FOXs TV direction this year is absolutely horrendous. The camera angles provide very little sense of speed, the commentary is dry and unengaging even when the racing is crazy, the pre race shows melt my brain, and the commercials are god awful and insanely frequent.
Also, this might be a weird complaint, but the track microphones are too good. The cars sound really quiet on broadcast.
@@MMM-wg2vm I do remember them sounding a lot punchier in the past, but I've also gone fairly deaf in the intervening years, so I didn't pay much attention to that.
I have literally just said the same thing on the NASCAR UK group. The commentary is lackluster and doesn't keep you in the mood at all.
Give F1 a chance too
@@fqeagles21 I’ve been following F1 from afar, but the racing itself isn’t all that exciting. The cars and drivers are all very impressive, but the field doesn’t seem very competitive. In any given NASCAR race, there are fifteen to twenty drivers in the field with a reasonable chance of winning, but any driver could win with a lucky break and good strategy. In F1 it feels like there are maybe five drivers with a decent chance, and everyone else is just there to give the top teams a rolling roadblock to get around. If they could make the field more competitive, with more drivers and teams in contention for the win, I’ll happily give F1 another go.
I'll take stage racing without cautions. I know they use it as a TV timeout, and thanks to your research I now understand how valuable commercials are to the sport, but they should just award the points and keep going.
I like the playoffs. I don't think it needs to be like every other racing series. It's an American sport and Americans love playoffs. They've been using some form of this format for 18 years now (since 2004).
Living in Florida, I've always been able to go to the first and last event of the year, and heading into Homestead knowing who's already won the championship was boring. Even though Kurt hasn't won the championship since 04, I still enjoyed going because I didn't know who was going to get crowned that night.
My biggest gripe with NASCAR is commercials during racing. No other sport cuts away when action is going on. They need to figure out how to never interrupt green flag laps. I don't need to see the same cycle of commercials every break, week in and week out.
Was never a Nascar fan until I started working security part time for Nascar events up at the tricky triangle. Such a fun time
I really like stage racing. Its kind of like saturday night at the local track. A couple heat races and then the feature. I like it for fantasy racing too. Adds another element to it.
I’m an Australian and I’ve just started watching NASCAR here through our local sports streaming AP and I’m really enjoying it. But you’re right about letting the driver be themselves more can barely tell them all apart.
Last year they started focusing on the drivers more with their animated avatars. It wasn't the best way to achieve this, but it was an attempt.
Doesn't Australia have their own version of NASCAR? Or something similar?
@@cycologist7069 We have V8 Supercars, it's more like touring car racing
@@LachlanPhil I will check it out . Thanks for the info.
I started watching in the late 80's and through into the early 2,000's I stepped away from the sport because of the boring nature. I'm a huge IMSA and F1 fan so NASCAR couldn't match the excitement. I have watched a couple of races this year out of curiosity of the new cars. I like the advancements and have actually enjoyed the races I watched. Go to any social media post and you will see the complaints of not being "what it used to be". For me being complacent leads to boredom. As far as viewership that's a problem for NASCAR. Like you said younger potential fans will not subscribe to cable just to watch a race. I subscribe to particular apps to watch F1 and IMSA and the coverage is far above what NASCAR offers. I'm a gen x guy so I am on the cut off. The boomer fans will not pay for a $10 per month app ,but will pay a $200 per month cable bill. I think not evolving earlier has created this situation for NASCAR.
I'm like you. I watched it in the late 80's to maybe the beginning of 2000. Once I discovered Le Mans, F1, & SCCA events NASCAR lost all interest to me. I realized I don't particularly care for oval racing & it's stereotypical (hillbilly) fan.
So I understand you thinking IMSA is exiting. I like IMSA. But it’s not fast paced either. F1 is a parade and is not entertaining at all. Compared to both of those nascar in the last 5 years kills them. They have lots of lead changes and good racing at road courses, short tracks, and super speedways. Intermediates have been a problem for a while and in that respect Indy has us killed. If you want something more techy like F1 or IMSA but actually enjoy action then Indy is the best for you
@@connorbingel7134 I don't actually mind the pace of IMSA. I think the fact that four (4) different classifications of cars are racing on the same track at once offsets it. I believe my interest in F1 increased when COTA was built in Austin,TX as I visit there from Houston quite a bit. I do like Indy, but for whatever reason it's the hardest one for me to find the races to watch. They're broadcast at off hours in my area. I've even watch a few E-races, but it was the gen 1 cars. Heard they've improved tremendously. May give them a try again.
Now that I've had time to really think on it, it was somewhere around the time they were promoting 'the car of tomorrow' (which I think is the gen 6 car), but had not yet run full seasons with them. My interest just wanted.
@@connorbingel7134 i don't understand where you get this "F1 is not entertaining" bit from. try actually watching the races, and maybe even go to social media. Unlike NASCAR, F1 actually provides real racing. Even IMSA has better racing than NASCAR, and that's really saying something cause they also rely on pure race pace.
@@broodo1 IMSA is one step below NASCAR now.
This was a great video. Wasn’t sure what direction it would go at first, but overall, this was great. All great points made.
Here after garage 56 Le Mans entry, I would say there doing a good job! Love you Nolan, always!
I want to see NASCAR use real cars again. Even though I know they’ll be slower, I just want to see cars that are available to the public that maybe have some mods done to them.
I agree with you. It seems like all the things that made Nascar great have been eroded away
That will NEVER happen, it is to unsafe and slow.
This seems to be a common theme. Rally, Nascar, Touringcar etc all rose up with massive public interest when they used real, modified, streetcars.
never gonna happen, NASCAR has just evolved way past that to the point where going back to production cars is just not feasible.
@@r3uvsgaming devolved
nascar should do a class of street cars with nascar engines like they were in the 1960s
Putting a nascar engine in a car from today verses on from the ‘60s is far more complicated and expensive. I don’t see this happening.
@@Ponder144 but it would be cool tho
Won't work out. They didn't have to deal with emissions regulations, noise regulations, fuel economy goals and the other 2 million regulations car makers have to abide by these days in the 60s.
@@SkodaYetiFanbut it would be cool tho
safety at 150-200mph wouldn't work
Two things made me and my Dad interested in NASCAR when I was a kid: the good-time atmosphere and the manufacturer-specific cars. F-1 has maintained it's popularity in no small part because of manufacturer involvement. But the CULTURAL problem of today's NASCAR has a lot to do with it tying itself to a particularly boorish and dismally disconnected from reality political ideology. It's not "fun" anymore it's just pushing a political position.
You mean bending over and taking it from a bunch of self-hating, woke, neo-marxist, anti-American morons while mocking 95% of your fan base in an effort to attract a subset of the population that was NEVER going to watch NASCAR in the first place was a bad idea? Say it ain't so!
That half of the county agrees with and is growing in popularity. It’s not really a problem unless you don’t agree, and a large portion of the country does.
They went political in a way to disparage their core audience.
@@cstrutherskgs How so?
Political position of making more money to opening the audience?
Being anti-racist isn't a negative.
NASCAR is just NOT the "fan friendly" sport it used to be. Drivers seriously have as little to do as possible with the fan base...try getting autographs lately? NASCAR lost me when i discovered how "fan friendly" NHRA was!! Imagine standing in a line to get lunch and having a top tier driver like Cruz Pedregon standing behind you just wanting to get something to eat and having a conversation about how far drag racing has come just as an example. NASCAR could learn ALOT from NHRA about the subject of fan friendliness. Great video.....
“No one wants to see a racetrack close”
-Bruton Smith laughing maniacally
Love Nascar! I'm an Aussie and have followed nascar for a while, I follow a few forms of motorsport being F1, Supercars and WRC, but there is just something about nascar that I love! I wish the merch was available in Australia though!!!
When you watch Nascar in Australia do the cars go around the opposite way?
@@lambdalambdalambda257 😃 😂😂😂🤣
Too bad watching it through Kayo fucken sucks
You guys have my favorite race series down there, with Improved Production. That's actual modern-day stock car racing, kinda like it used to be here. Cars that were once seen on an actual showroom floor, with VIN tags, that have been modified for the series, not purpose-built.
@@lambdalambdalambda257 NASCAR in Austrailia is called V8 Supercars! I dream of one day going to Bathurst and having some Aussies show me around and drink with
I appreciate this video. Someone that understands what makes NASCAR work saying that stage racing is silly… which is what I said since day one. I understand why they did it, but true racing fans walked away or at the very least stopped giving credit to the racers for the good races.
I live in the birthplace of NASCAR. Not Charlotte, but 100 miles north in north wilkesboro. I can tell you the attitude has changed dramatically towards NASCAR with the post Brian France leadership returning more to the roots of the sport.
That being said it’s still a long way from the days in the 90s when you had several years waiting list for tickets to many races.
1. The points system is absolutely bonkers! It's got to be the first thing that is done away with. A simple start to end points system will do them wonders.
2. Stages aren't necessary is the racing is closer.
3. More non-oval tracks
4. Options for at least 3-4 more engines whilst keeping the chasis spec. Toyota did very well with their own one!
I just started watching Formula 1 in 2021 and I’m hooked on it. The new cars are great. Hopefully the same happens for nascar. I’m about to look more into it
You definitely should. I started watching F1 this year. I got F1 TV and try to catch as many races as I can.
Check out floz he has some amazing quick docs about last few seasons
I'm a nascar fan. Growing up (2000's-2015), I never missed a practice, Qual, or race... Truck, Xfinity, or cup... I watched it all.
Nascar has improved, but there are things I can't vibe with. Playoffs, stages, the God awful coverage on Fox.
NASCAR feels manufactured at times, like he mentioned about nail biters...
I am now a massive f1 fan. I still love NASCAR, but F1 has seriously improved their product
new cars are trash, watch f1 from 20 years ago you can thank me later
@@TheChildress293133 I feel that the producers and directors for FOX should be publicly executed.
I grew up watching gen 5 racing and I loved it with my driver Carl Edwards and his rivalry with Brad K. with little shorts of them picking on each other to say the least. Also Carl doing his famous back flips after every race win. Who else remembers the digger shorts too, I loved them as a kid.
I got really into Nascar as a kid in the 90's watching almost every race but by 2010 I gave it up. With so many drivers changing teams, numbers, and/or sponsors every year it became so hard to follow and on top of that the cars nearly become identical too. Plus watching Dale Jr leave the team his dad started was rough. Then I think it was 08 or 09 when Jimmy Johnson won nearly every race and I thought this isn't all that exciting anymore.
I think nascar needs more road courses… something about adding in a right turn here and there is exciting😂
True, it makes it closer to actual roads. I'm seriously excited for the Chicago Street Race. Ovals are cool, but it gets boring with only left turns every track.
What would make me watch, is if they would make stock racing about STOCK cars.
Of course not bone stock, but have at least SOME relation to actual cars, like the chassis. Like what we have for touring car championships.
I’ve been watching auto racing since I was a kid, NASCAR, Indy car, and F1 included. The most exciting races that NASCAR currently has are the road courses, including the road course with the partial oval, and the dirt track. People still associate NASCAR with “going (racing) around in a circle.” This is always what I hear in conversations between myself and others in reference to auto racing. Get rid of the “around in circles” association and NASCAR might get more fans.
How many Ovals are there in the 2022 calendar?
The oval races are more fun to watch in person, especially if they are passing a lot. Go to a pro dirt sprint car race and you will see how exciting oval racing can be.
@@MrGimmethreesteps i was just asking the number, i know sometimes they can be good
sorry but oval races sounds really boring to me where is the action if you go around on a oval circuit ?? i rather watch f1 or 24h of le mans or Dakar and rally. not gonna say that nascar isn't needed but it's purely an American thing I don't follow it because I'm from Europe.
@@fkim8449 NASCAR through the past couple years has been pretty boring to watch for the reasons listed in this video. To me good racing has constant lead changes, which is why I point to the World of Outlaw, Sprint Car series. The last sprint car race I went to, the final race was short, lasting only 30 minutes. There were several position changes through out the race 4-5 per lap on a 1/4 mile track). During the last lap the number three passed the lead on the last turn and won the race. To me that was good racing. I had no idea who was going to win and I could watch the entire race in person. I will admit I have never watched a F1 race in person, but it seems it would be rather boring to only be able to see one corner of the track and hope you get to see some passing. That being said I am glad we have both styles of racing and would gladly go to a F1 race.
This video is seriously awesome, very informative and extremely entertaining
I hear you,you are spot on
Great piece. TV does bring in $, but danger, danger , danger! #1: Failure to put butts in the seats destroys interest. #2: The cars should "at least" mimick regular cars like they did in the past (win on Sunday, sell the car on Monday). They must build loyal and committed fan bases, NOT just casual viewers.
The playoffs drove me away. I watched Gordon get screwed from top 5 seasons and I left when he did.
Playoffs need to be fixed up. I wouldn’t mind just seeing the chase but adjust the points more for regular season wins. Larson and Hamlin should’ve been waves ahead of the others last season
He would be an at least 6 time champ using Winston Cup points...
@@dkmotorracingnz8010 2007 stung the most
@@johmp5114 So did '04
@@dkmotorracingnz8010 Possibly even 7 time.
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This statement did not age well. Lewis Hamilton, George Russel, Max Verstappen, Sergio Perez, Charles Leclerc, and Carlos Sainz are all in the lead in points, and It’s hard to tell who’s gonna take home that drivers trophy. Max, Checo (Sergio Perez), Charles, and Sainz have great cars (with some reliably issues), while Lewis and George have slower, but more reliable cars, but all of them have wild amounts of talent. But all of these teams that the drivers are in are top teams, with very good histories. Red bull have had the least amount of time to settle in, but somehow, they’ve won a couple constructors titles, and many drivers titles. These teams and drivers were expected ti be at the top though, making it predictable, but still interesting to watch these drivers and teams fight for their titles.
I agree with this and also for the in person seating don't charge minimum of $80 a person or you risk sending those people who are extremely loyal to sit at home but what that does is people like me won't go it's too expensive and then realize they are actively not caring about people like me who would watch it given the chance if I didn't have to spend a large chunk of my paycheck to go and watch it it makes me realize Its too expensive for me to watch and I have no cable and I don't go to bars so yea I just realized today that they changed the cars and Ive been to the Talladega superspeedway a ton and I don't care about nascar anymore
Look at how the season has been going for F1 lately. They also went ground effect vs aero. NASCAR needs more actual Racing rather than just parades just like F1 did.
F1 is far more interesting to watch. Those tracks and the cars are way more at the limit of driving skill. There is so much more at stake and every track is a totally different challenge for drivers. F1 even races in the RAIN. Nascar is just boring. Oval track racing is just so dry to watch for hours.
@@mcbrian F1 is the most boring racing imaginable, it's the European of racing. Insultingly boring, and fake polite.
@@probablynotdad6553 and cars going around an oval is more interesting? It may be an american thing but i don’t see the appeal of nascar
@@canborcbakan4206 we have 7 road courses on the nascar schedule. Including a few we have or are sharing with F1. Watkins Glen and Circuit if the Americas.
we are not just ovals. We race in the rain as well on road courses. And oval racing is fun to attend because you can actually see the whole track. You get to see every wreck every battle for position.
Unlike road courses where you see the cars go by and then you have to watch a screen for the majority of the race.
@@probablynotdad6553 bait
I think it'd be really cool to see them implement the "use whatever motor you want as long as it's in a road car" it'd make car companies compete and would make road cars faster.
Bring back homogulation. 2000+ cars sold to public
What makes you think current road cars are not fast enough? A Shelby can do 180, a Vette 205 and a Lexus (Toyota) 168.
@@Banttari because some of the best motors ever built were for Nascar and sold to the public? The 426 hemi for example. Yeah cars of today are fast but that's only cause of turbos and superchargers. I miss the days of big American NA power
Interesting observations Nolan made. Being from North Carolina, the heart of NASCAR, I believe NASCAR needs to bring racing back home. Growing up my dad, uncle, and granddad had NASCAR on the TV every Sunday afternoon. We knew every driver. I had all the diecast cars, hats, and T-shirts. Today none of us even know the driver's names. Here are a few observations I have.
1.) This stage racing has to go. It is pointless. You might as well just make the race only 75 laps long if you are going to have the stages.
2.) They need to reopen the tracks they have in the South. NASCAR is a 1000x more fun in person than it is watching on TV. There used to be tracks all across the South and now they are dwindling in exchange for locations where no one cares about NASCAR, such as LA and Texas. Sure they may not make as much money off ticket sales vs broadcasting fees, but it amps the fans up. If you can attend 2-5 races a year you will guaranteed be watching on TV every week to see how the series plays out.
3.) They constantly turn their back on their fans. There have been multiple instances in the last 5 years, where they promoted certain political agendas that were in direct contradiction with their core fans. They need to just stay out of politics. I used to go to one race a year, but after the BLM riots and Bubba Wallace debacle I stopped going.
Man one thing that would be awesome and would probably give them a huge boost is a "Back to the roots" style where the car bodies are in the shape of cars from the past.
Stage racing either needs to go, or the stages needed to split so that there’s a pit stop in each stage, the stages are boring when no one needs to pit. Honestly the second stage is usually just riding around too. Stage 3 vs stage 2 the racing is completely different.
If the tracks can survive without fans in the stands, the teams need a bigger piece of the money, too many rich kids paying for seats in the sport, the tracks need to be penalized somehow for not selling out and promoting the races, the way to do this is to stop giving them so much guaranteed money. If the teams can afford to pay talent instead of provide a seat for someone with money, the racing will be better as well.
The gen 7 car is awesome, there’s still a few kinks to work out, like the short track racing seems to have suffered, the diffuser probably needs to come off for short tracks and they probably need to run the 750 engines on short tracks, but it’s nothing that can’t be fixed. The mile and half racing is phenomenal though. Which is what we needed, the teams and OEMs going to nascar and getting rid of the high downforce low horsepower package needed to happen and it paid off.
The sport is on an upswing right now, will it ever get to where it was? I don’t know, but it’s getting better. I go back and watch nascar races on CZcams sometimes and the 2004 Bristol night race is absolutely electric, 160,000 fans, 43 cars, the lights, the speed, sparks flying, concrete surface, pissed off drivers. Do yourself a favor and check it out.
it's geared that way for the small attention span fan base. there is almost zero point to watching prior to the last "stage" it's so stupid.
This video addressed almost all of the problems I have with NASCAR but there are still some issues that I have. I know some people like this but I think there should be less fist fights and less intentional crashing. Rubbing is racing but not to the point where you intensionally crash out another driver.
Also, less violence will make the racing more mainstream
@@superduperbooper3987 that what makes it entertaining tho
@Jimmy’s Model Trains but hockey and boxing don’t have auto racing. NASCAR provides everything on one channel
@@abes3925 It's not cool to intentionally punt someone when they(and you)are going over 200 MPH.
Nolan setting his sights on some consultancy work I see!!
In seriousness - great video and really well explained for a non-nascar fan from europe. Cheers!
All ima say is F1 Drive to Survive got me into F1 and Nascar should do something similar.
I say keep the stages and remove the cautions. Like have the stages and let them keep racing. It creates more pit strategy.
80s/90s Nascar is my personal favorite. Probably because I grew up in those times, but the cars/culture of that time are what I best identify with
I think the ship has sailed for them. Too much negativity associated with their brand to really grow. Probably won't die, but the dwindling audiences and increasing reliance on gimmicks (dirt races, stage races, races inside of stadiums) should tell you a lot.
dirt races was for the fans lol.. and the coliseum was a great race... clearly you didnt watch
They could try genuinely apologizing for the "negativity". I mean that's always free. Emphasis on genuine. The alternative is just waiting for it to disappear for a more deserving motorsport. The fact that discussion of this "negativity" is seemingly curated out of the comment section isn't a good sign.
@@IkLms11 hit the nail on the head. What's ironic is that a lot of the longtime NASCAR fans echoing sentiments about the organization turning (no pun intended) its back on them, conveniently left that part out.
I want to see Nascar do an elimination race. Every 5 or 10 laps (depending on field size and track) the last place driver is eliminated.
Isn’t that how the all-star race works, at least the qualifiers?
@@nathan1sixteen yes. NASCAR 2011 The Game also have Elimination Race setup. Every 60 seconds last placed driver is out. Until only 1 left.
@@purwantiallan5089 That sounds interesting
I used to have tickets for both races in Talladega but between stage racing teams not racing to protect their chase position and boring all the cars looking the same made me move my race dollars over to IMSA would rather go to Road Atlanta than Talladega. Which is a shame because Dega was always a great track to go watch a race.
In the 90s and early 2000s the racing was so fun because the car behind could draft the car in front and would be faster and pass, so if they made their aerodynamics cause the cars drafting to be faster it would bring back good old drafting, bump drafting, and bump and runs!
As a 20 year nascar fan, stage racing and and “the chase” have really turned me off of Nascar in the last few years. It’s pretty silly, new fans have too many dumb rules to learn to even understand what’s going on. I stream all races illegally.
🚘 I'm a fan of a driver a whole lot more than I I'm a fan in NASCAR so when my driver got out I got out.
I never liked the "Stages" ❗️
@@icosthop9998 I'm the same way I don't know if I will be able to keep watching after my driver retires or leaves the sport, I would stop watching nascar to watch another series if he moved to it
@@dylanpage4447 Matt K Started this thread and this is where we belong in this thread.
I might get back into it if I could find a girl that likes NASCAR.
My male friends that used to be in it and got me into the sport, are no longer watching it 😒
if you're a 20 year fan, then you should remember what it was like to know who had the championship won months before the season ended.
Stage racing is like DRS in f1.. we know that it needs to go but for now we still need it for a few more years to know how the race is behaving
I actually like stage racing. The first 2/3 of a race would be boring as shit without it. Plus it rewards running well the whole time. Now the playoff system can go suck an egg
Ok, so I was a HUGE NASCAR fan when I was a kid. I had every little die cast car, knew all the driver names, and loved going to races. I stopped watching it around the time the Gen 6 cars came out. I recently tried to watch it again last year, and saw that there was "Stages" and "Playoffs" and it immediately turned me off from the sport.
Maybe the races would be more boring without stages, but I don't remember that as a kid. Most races had groups of drivers at the top which made it super intense, and people would purposely wreck to win, which just added to the drama. I really hope they remove both of these (like you said) cause I would definitely watch again.
1) STAGE RACING: Keep it but just don't throw the caution. Award the points but just don't force them to stop. Problem solved.
2) PLAYOFF FORMAT: I've never had a real problem with it because if you're consistent and upfront in the stages and the finishes, you'll make the Chase. And as you say, it should be the top drivers upfront but you will get the occasional Michael McDowell in the mix who only wins one race and gets in. You gotta take the good with the bad sometimes.
3) RIVALRIES: In golf, if things get heated, the two rivals can settle it on the green. In NASCAR, they're trying to settle scores at 180mph. Someone will get killed so pumping up or "egging on" the rivalry isn't exactly smart in this arena.
4) THE CARS: I think this year's crop of cars is pretty good but I saw a comment below where they need to let the teams build their own cars and see how far they can push engineering. Jeff Gordon brought the "T-Rex" to Charlotte and was told to never bring it again. I guess they pushed the envelope too far, but that's what it's about. Let's have a "run what you brung" race and see what they can do with it! Also, let's have a three race schedule where the drivers of today have to muscle a 1960's, 1970's, and 1980's engineered car around the track. Imagine some of these drivers trying to race a car with no power steering or brakes! That would be a hoot!
This season and more specifically the gen 7 cars are a phenomenal step in the right direction. I come from a family of old school dirt racers; late model, sprints, and just cobbled together cars of different classes at the local track. Previously all of us had stopped watching nascar. When all the cars are completely uniform and have little to no connection to actual stock cars on the market today there’s no incentive for a fan to watch.
This season has had all of us returning to nascar and being excited to watch the races again. As I said it’s a huge step in the right direction, but I’d love to see a more traditional style of racing similar to that of the late 60s and 70s. Open up the homologations rules to allow for teams and manufacturers to innovate and do something truly unique and nascar would immediately become my favorite sport.
What if they implemented an Elo system… that would be pretty cool. Reward drivers for finishing high above there projected finish and reward consistency throughout the season
Kudos for throwing in N. Wilkesboro there at 8:20. I stopped watching when the older tracks were abandoned for the cookie-cutter superspeedways.
Nascar is not going to be popular again due to the same people who are "fans" most of them are white southerners, in fact it is a matter of reading the comments of this same video, a lot of them blame bubba because of the "changes" and "restrictions" nascar made, "erasing the roots of the sport" and a part of those who were fans do not want to be associated with that, Richard Nassar said from the perspective of an “outsider looking in, NASCAR is suffering from its reputation” where its image has been associated with “beer, trucker hats and Confederate flags”, besides any conversation of changing this image of NASCAR is seen by their core fans as an attempt to change them personally, and I personally would not feel comfortable being part of that image
the blame for bubba is " ders a noose in mah garage reeeeeeee whyte supreeeemse"
*is a garage doorpull*
fk off