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Tesla is having a rough time. A blog showing their autopilot system nearly running over a cyclist is their latest problem. How will Tesla react to this video? And how does it illustrate the problems with their autopilot system overall?
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I love how the Tesla swerved towards the biker, and one of the first reactions is "Should we cut that part out?" Toolbags don't want to shine a bad light on Tesla, so they actually consider not showing a HUGE safety concern.
Tesla fans...
So wack. I’m not a fan of Tesla or Elon, but I do want to see their self-driving tech succeed in the long run. That’s not going to happen with the amount of blind faith, cult of personality, straight up illegal BS that’s going on.
That really shocked me, that their gut reaction could be so selfish. Its like they are afraid to lose their toy if people figure out that beta testing life-critical systems in public isn’t such a great idea.
100% agree. The fact they the even felt the need to possibly edit a fault in the system is a HUGE problem. Hiding problems is how you wind up with Space Shuttles exploding on the way to orbit.
They really had an Exxonmobil moment
I love how dude says, "Do we have to cut that?" as if he's totally cool with hiding the fact that the software he's defending isn't actually working properly. It's also amazing how he's able to justify it only moments after he asked if it should be completely taken out of the video.
These are the same kinds of people that can never accept personal fault either, its a mix of narcissism and arrogance.
Just your average typical Tesla fanboyism. Not surprisng behavior from those types of people.
It’s absolutely disgusting to see how these two San Franciscans have drank the Musk kool-aid. Those guys need a serious wake up call
Dude poured everything he had into TSLA, literally everything riding on the Elon
Pretty much the thinking of the average left winger
My shitbox Scion has a feature that I love. It's called "auto-veer", and it basically steers the car sharply to the right when you take your hand off the wheel. Yes, it's a bad alignment, but it makes sure I'm always 100% focused on the road.
Scion: 1
Tesla: 0
Every car has that feature nowadays
underrated
I don’t think that’s a win
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I mean, that will eat your tires up faster too, but whatever works I guess
Wow! It’s so nice to hear someone who feels the way do about public transit but also being a car guy. Thanks Nolan!
A lot of car guys don’t like Tesla.
@@ericMT Yeah but if you bring up the need for public transportation with most car guys you'll just get poor-shamed in most cases. I ,for one, appreciate Nolan's level-headed perspective on most matters.
So true. So many car guys forget that the car, at its core, is a tool for transportation and not an embodiment of the peak of human engineering.
When it comes to moving people from place to place in any setting there are so many other options than cars. It’s a uniquely American opinion that the car is the silver bullet of personal transport.
Considering todays gas prices and the general volatility of oil, you’d think there would be high demand for cheaper energy alternatives. The car industry is a true phenomenon when it comes to consumer economic sense. You’d think everyone would be clamoring for electric cars/trains that don’t require weekly investments of $50+ that vary month to month based on economic conditions. Because of car culture, progress towards more efficient and high-ceiling performance has been stalled.
Not to say I’m not a car guy, there’s a reason I’m watching Donut. The smell of vintage exhaust is one of my favorites. That being said, there’s a lot to love about electric cars and I wish the enthusiast sector would embrace that more.
@@HatWearingDog It is though.. Ask anyone in China what would happen if they got a low socail credit score and how it would effect their transpotaion options. I mean you can get a private air or water craft or hiouse but they have never have come close to being as popualor as the car.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough Fair… but that’s China specific. Surely public transit can exist without communist government overreach.
I’m from Michigan, I’m intimately aware of the steps automakers have taken to resist commuter rail to ensure their captured consumer base. While I typically don’t have many bad things to say about American auto, given that I was raised off their money, I see their role in limiting American options in how they get to work.
Economies as weak as Spain have reliable, comprehensive rail networks that save citizens millions of dollars per year and lessen public reliance on international oil. Americans CAN benefit from rail, they simply choose not to.
Tesla: **sees biker**
Tesla(internally): “that’s 20 points!”
Tesla: **steers into biker**
Was just thinking that maybe the software did it on purpose like we've all thought to do many times 😅😅
im glad im not the only one/family that makes that joke lmao i love it
Ah yes, Tesla auto pilot is built on Carmageddon's game engine.
Sky Net. AI even in its infancy is trying to kill us. Wait till it finds the internet. See's all that porn. There will be AI killer Love robots. as the sounds of an AK47 rattle out you hear the love robot 2,000 voice " Me love you long time, so-ja boy" 'ME SooOOOOooo horny.'
The worst would be the Karen MK3. A bitch with a Uzi. dam. Screaming "I WANT THE MANAGER!"
Then a whole shit ton of Gretta EPA-TEEN14 recycle bots threatening "I DARE YOU" as they target vehicles with PRGs, Priority, diesels and hot rods.
Hell on earth. cant wait. Chaos rains supreme.
@@opossom1968 what kinda facebook grandpa conspiracy shit is this
Planes fly trough the sky with a lot less obstacles and have auto pilot disconnecting due to sensor errors, glitches and others quite often. That's what pilots are there for.
Trust the car with your life if you want, I don't.
I don't want understand why people want self driving cars anyway? I get that not everybody's a car enthusiast and some people may not enjoy driving. (There's something wrong with these people I don't think their parents hug them) but that's what public transportation is for take the bus. Take the train. And I got good news both a bus pass and the train are cheaper than a Tesla. Most trains are electric so you can even save the environment while you're not driving. And it frees up space on the roads for people who do want to drive like me.
The safety standers for airplanes are much hire than cars. Most car engines would not meet standards for a small prop airplane. Not saying its a good thing cars are unsafe but trying to guess the point at which people might be ok with self driving. Many people trust their life to an uber driver. If the tech can pass that then my feeling is people would be ok with it.
@@robertstone9988 i think the main problem with public transport is for places where the infrastructure for it is absolutely awful. here in the netherlands it seems fine, but ive got some friends in other places (including america) where they have almost no access to nearby public transport so going by car is pretty much required, or they have to move somewhere else (which is hard in todays economy)
@@robertstone9988 Because people are lazy af.
@@robertstone9988 In USA public transport is not good enough, I have taken more miles on it than my car but its a pain and im lucky that I can use it at all
Here's the thing. Even in Aviation which is the best example of the use of automation/autopilot, the pilot/s are still required to maintain situational awareness at all times and constantly monitor what the aircraft is doing. Plus they also have ATC and a bunch of redundant safety systems to help them not crash into each other.
Now compare that to a car that has a limited amount of safety systems and no "ATC" to help the driver. See how stupid it is to fully rely on automation?
Jesus loves you
Pilots sleep while flying all the time.
But you never have both pilots asleep at the same time, that's why planes have pilot and co-pilot.
Define ATC
i can't believe i'm hearing the public transit discussion in car spaces now but that's a *really* good thing; thanks guys! i've been making these points to friends for years lol
Yup! Honestly surprised I heard that on a car channel
public transport isnt really that effective
im from germany where the bus/train system is "solid" and its still an absolute chore to get anywhere on time.
in a single direction there are multiple lines that (almost 90%) are scheduled at a stop every 10 minutes and you cant rely on any of that.
in my experience (15 years of bus driving fml) its a given every bus/train has a MAJOR delay or just doesnt arrive and the journey is ALWAYS more than 3x the time investment of driving with a car.
when i go to work i have to take 2 busses early to have a chance to get my follow up bus even though its scheduled to be easy to get without getting on any early ones and i still miss it 20% of the time..
my work commute would be 15-20 minutes depending on the ammount of construction sites and with the bus/train its 1hr in a perfect scenario while real world its around 1.5hrs.
@@SCHMOBEX as an austrian - calling the austrian / german public transit system "solid" is just straight up not true. Yeah, our public transit systems are more built out than american ones, but we are still light years away from having a public transit system that works properly, for exactly the reasons you mentioned. Public transit only works in big cities like Berlin, Vienna, Munich, etc. But it sucks on the countryside, and it sucks so much to the point where you basically cant use it. I can highly recommend you to watch the video "Cars are not the problem" by "Tapakapa"!!
@@SCHMOBEX A big problem with buses is traffic, getting rid of cars in certain areas like in NYC will help buses stay on time. Other than that it's 100% just a budget issue
I've believed that for years, as a car guy. The culture around cars has changed dramatically since I was in high school and we viewed my horribly beat up 1995 V6 Camaro as freedom, a way to be in control of ourselves. As cars have shifted to pure transportation and status symbols, many cars feel the same, as more and more driver safety aid systems become standard, people are paying less and less and less attention. I hardly ever drive my Corvette anymore because every time I take it out I nearly get creamed by inattentive drivers and I can't really afford to replace my C5 Z06 if it gets totaled so I just let it sit. Public transport lets people stare at their phones and ignore the world around them without putting everyone nearby at risk. Even my daily, a small Fiesta ST which I specifically got for being small light and maneuverable with all wheel disc brakes, I am constantly dodging people swerving everywhere, and I don't live in a metropolitan area but a semi-rural one with my commute being mostly through suburbs; with tons of crossovers and suvs with automatic braking almost hitting me and swerving into oncoming traffic.
Traffic has always been bad but especially with these safety features people are lulled into a false sense of security that the car is doing the work or just that it's safer so they ignore the road. As some backup to this idea, see the introduction of ABS. I'd have to look up the studies but I recall reading about how one of the highway safety agencies was surprised that despite ABS being significantly better than locking brakes, accidents had not gone down and their study found that more people trusted that abs reduced stopping distance enough that they started braking much later. It also removes some element of skill-building, as locking brakes require you to actually learn to properly modulate the brakes yourself rather than being able to just stomp the pedal to the floor. Same thing applies to standard drivers now, I believe. The more technology we incorporate and market as safer and better and take any semblance of forcing people to learn how to drive (which imo is also heavily due to America seeing driving as a right and not a privilege so driving tests are laughably easy and simplistic and very little time is spent teaching people how to actually respond to situations) we have ended up with more traffic as public transport in more rural areas and even suburbs is often either nonexistent or so inefficient (in terms of time spent) that it's unfeasible in its current form but I agree that we should refine and rework the way public transport is done and treated both to increase the economy of scale by reducing emissions with more people able to commute on public transportation as well as by reducing traffic thus freeing roads for us car guys who maybe want to just take a nice cruise in our Corvette or Mustang (or whatever our chosen car is) without nearly being totaled by people driving SUVs with one person and no cargo paying zero attention to what they are doing.
I miss driving my Vette but it's nerve-wracking when I'm out cruising at a little over the limit in the slow lane and someone comes screaming up behind me in a jacked up truck doing 20+ over, nearly hits me and changes lanes at the last possible second or I have to dump down a gear and rip off to much higher speed to avoid being plowed into by a 7500lb truck with a person staring at their phone behind the wheel
Today I was driving on I-40 on autopilot and there was a stray line painted in my lane that lead into the other land, and my car followed it and began to swerve into another truck. I don't have fancy FSD or anything, just standard free autopilot. Kinda spooky, always keep your eyes on the road!
In Northern California a car followed a stray painted line into a concrete barrier. Driver killed instantly
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I love how Nolan's episodes are getting more and more critical of the status quo, feels like he's enjoying it more than the content from a couple months ago
Tesla seeing a bike not causing co2 emissions:
"Competition"
Hahahaha
Underrated comment 💀
Lmao
I love that you mentioned public transportation! A lot of car people don't want to hear about it, but they don't understand that the more people want to go on trains and busses, the more space they'll have to drive and enjoy their drive as well. Electric/self driving are not the solution
As a car guy I love this take, cleaner all around and more empty roads for someone like me.
Except nobody wants to ride a bus or a train... San Diego just spent a billion dollars on a public transit system, and the only people who use it are hobos and illegals. If you can afford a car, you aren't going to ride the freakin bus. THAT is what pro-public transit people don't understand. A bus dosen't even get you where you need to be. It just gets you within a few miles of it. Talk about a pain in the ass. Every experience with public transit I've had has left me missing my car desperately.
@@pauld.b7129 I went an entire month without my vehicle when I visited Germany. Having only a bicycle and public transport severely restricted where I could go and visit.
@@pauld.b7129 I can afford many cars, I use public transportation... Sometimes Driving somewhere isn't the best plus, I don't gotta deal with traffic pissing me off if I'm not the one driving. I love Driving don't get me wrong here, but I fucking hate how stupid people are on the road.
Seriously! Let's stop inducing demand for cars by widening roads and freeways and start inducing demand for walking, cycling, and public transit by making our communities more connected, with closer and more useful commercial or mixed use zoning, and build out useful bus and rail networks that don't just take you into a city center.
08:03 I'm glad that someone finally understands what the real solution to traffic is. No one really takes this opinion seriously
When people say driverless cars will fix traffic they mean in the distant future where driverless cars are the only thing allowed on the road. There is a good GCP gray video explaining why driverless cars would get rid of traffic and it boils down to communication. They wont fix traffic if humans are also driving because they only have their blinkers for communication
Why would we invest in infrastructure when we can give tons of tax credits to the rich and big corporations!? It will trickle down!
-Conservative
Those plans haven’t worked for 40+ years.
@@davidhicks8290 you’re wrong. You won’t fix traffic unless you have less cars. Aka public transportation.
@@BeachLookingGuy the one thing you are missing is self driving cars can be a form of public transportation too. Buses and trains are severely limited on stops. Think of uber pool where the car stops at direct locations and is constantly picking up and dropping people off using existing infrastructure rather than having to lay new tracks and a quicker more direct route.
@@davidhicks8290 streets aren’t just for people inside of cars, though. I still like to walk places and those animations showing self driving cars navigating an intersection without stop lights don’t look too good for pedestrians.
Perfect timing, just got my food! Also saw someone wearing a Boost Creeps shirt at the Journey/Toto concert! Had to go give them a high five!!
At a concert and wearing a Boost Creeps shirt? He must be rich to afford such luxuries. I would have asked him for $5.
@@fishingbob8374 But it's only $29, which is cheaper than $30
@@LambulanceLambo 😂👍
@@fishingbob8374 Have a good day BOB!!
Also he had flower boy in the background
Hell yea, great video. Better public transit and bike/ped infrastructure gets people who don't want to drive out of cars and then the people who like to drive will get to enjoy less traffic. Win win for everyone.
Not just bikes has a good video about that: czcams.com/video/d8RRE2rDw4k/video.html
Yea I'm not ditching my private car for a public transport
@@user-sy6ky6ed2e and nobody is forcing you to. Instead people shouldn’t be forced to buy cars and that happens with city planning
Ehhh I dunno, feel like the extra cost of those improvements would just be took out of our pockets
@@wolfgang_h3t yes, that's what public means, but right now the cost of bigger roads and constant maintenances due to high traffic is taken out of your pockets, and you are stuck in traffic with no alternative.
I love the fact that Tesla owners are always defending their "auto pilot" feature, until they crash into a Semi or tree and they aren't alive to defend it anymore
I saw that Teslas are suicidal. They keep killing themselves by driving into things (concrete barriers, semi trucks, parked police cars, off bridges, etc)
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You missed a huge opportunity to highlight the censorship that Tesla tried to enforce when it fired its employee for revealing some flaws on his personal (not tesla owned) Model 3 FSD beta.
You got to love when you are musk fire someone over saying the new risk of the beta.
If you don't know his model he pretty much he shoots down concerns.
The first and only time I tested Beta, it almost immediately tried to drive us into the median barrier. We just barely saved it.
YES! Let's finally talk about the real way to solve traffic: public transport! Self-driving mode won't help you much when you're still stuck for hours in traffic. You're just not the one paying attention (which is horrible, because of course you need to pay attention, you're still in the driving seat of a 2-ton mass of steel)
That helps, but also having things closer to houses so you can just walk to the store to buy stuff also means you don't have to use the car. There's a lot of stuff that could be done to help things.
RAIL IS 1700s technology (yes that old). Cars & planes are 1900s. They aren’t stuck to the same travel path day after day. Or the same fixed schedule. (And no need to fear being mugged by your metrorail passengers.)
Let’s retire rail just as we retired horse-drawn carriages
Self thinking cars have huge problems and have had little issues for years. I absolutely despise smart high beams that people leave on because they expect them to auto turn off for other cars, but they don't detect motorcycles or cyclists.
Smart? I never see them turn off. Maybe my car is too old for them to see it.
Why shift responsibility from drivers to manufacturers, hold both of them accountable. Drivers who don't keep their eyes on the road and hands on the steering wheels should never get off scot free
@@SpartanArmy117 driving cars is for lazy people anyway, real men go to work by foot no matter the distance 😤
If the manufacturer sells you a car that it claims can drive by itself and the law says it can drive by itself, then the driver is not responsible if that causes an accident. We aren’t making it the manufacturers fault, they are doing that themselves. They are literally asking for us to give them the responsibility.
I love how his shirt says “support violent driving” 😂
I 100% believe that was a joke.
It’s a t-shirt, anything that seems wrong on one is usually sarcastic
Fortunately Tesla FSD is still banned here in Amsterdam, considering the amount of Teslas and cyclists.
And that's only Amsterdam. Can you imagine a Tesla navigating traffic in a city like Delhi or Lagos? It's called *FULL* self driving, not 'American grid based city with very little non-car traffic self driving'.
Same here in germany. As some of our Streets dont have markings on them i think it would be a desaster
I'm pretty sure it doesn't do well in Boston, NY, or Chicago either.
@@lamplighter5545 I think it would work just fine in Chicago if people followed simple traffic laws. I live near there and my god I dread whenever I have to drive in that city.
Last time I was this early Hi Low was working on the 350z
2 Pilots required to fly an airline when the aircraft can do everything itself. And you think auto autopilot is safe for roads? Nowhere near...
That’s due to multi engine requirements it has nothing to do with “autopilot”. A single engine aircraft only requires a single pilot. A multi engine aircraft requires two pilots. Autopilot is irrelevant to the number of pilots required.
You know some plain have auto pilot right and can land them self
@@somirfreeman8301 no
@@MiddleAgedMike also no to you too, it’s not the number of engines
@@kregadeth5562 yes
The only time I would ever use the self driving feature is on the expressway. Traffic is traveling in one direction, there is a limited number of on/off ramps, no pedestrians, no parked cars. It's relatively safe of you limit the variables. I would never use it in a town or city because they're basically chaos and the computer can't adjust for all the stuff that can go wrong.
Plain old cruise control is waaaay more predictable ... Because you know EXACTLY what it will do, and what it won't ... Because their is no computer that can glitch behind it.
For this reason, even on the highway I wouldn't want to hand over control to a computer ... Given the high speeds involved.
Cant a computer calculate many variables better than cities? Asking as a pedestrian and cyclist who almost gets hit by a car every time i go downtown but folks not looking
@@Austin6403 computers can only react to the variables they're programmed for. The human variable is the most difficult one to program for because people are unpredictable. No one knows how someone will react in any given situation. In order to have self driving cars truly work there could be nothing but self driving cars. You can't have them mix with human drivers, pedestrians, or cyclists.
@@troypalmer5065 Good thought
@@wayando you're right cruise control is more predictable. I'm just saying in the grand scheme of things if I were to use a self driving car it would be on the highway because the likelihood of hitting a person on the side of the highway is far less than if I were in a city of something went wrong.
As a cyclist, I have had a few close calls with Tesla. One of my biggest concerns is the fact they don't make noise at low speed. The government needs to force automakers to have electric cars make noise at low speed, such as the ID4 and Mach-E.
I'm also a cyclist & from Australia. The government here has mandated all electric cars make noise for the reason you mentioned like other cars so I hear teslas in the same manner as ice cars
Or an internal combustion engine
@@ResmeN I was almost hit last year because I thought I was the only around at a stop sign. I drifted towards the center of the lane to avoid some bad pavement and then a mirror was brushing past me.
I'll back that law, if you back one that bans cyclists from using air buds.
Your lack of awareness is not another vehicle's fault. Hybrids have made little noise at low speed for years and no one complained.
Let’s be honest, there will never be tech that is 100% safe for everyone. You can’t come up with a program that makes the car swerve to miss that deer that jumps out, or a kid that runs out to get his ball.
Let's be honest, humans are also bad in those situations. As a Pennsylvanian, I have had multiple deer-related incidents myself. Nothing much you can do about it.
Ikr nothing is 100% going to be safe spoons aren't design to be used to kill but it can be . The reason why Tesla is singled out is bcos it's Tesla you know new kid on the block defying what's known to be possible and with that come heavy criticism from anyone waiting for them to mess up.
The question is... are humans or tech better at emergency situations?
@Oxide if you want an electric self driving vehicle take the train
In everything we use today effortlessly today in our daily lives didn't have 10/10 test run anyone in the AI community is aware how difficult Self driving is a problem to solve ,and Tesla approach seem to be the only one getting truly close to such target obviously you didn't hear of the 99% of ppl who seem to have to problem with the software but in everything the bad issues stands out
The person in the car should always hold some part of responsibility if they could have prevented it by being alert. Voiding this allows the rich to rely on tech companies to protect them if they are careless.
Agreed. Both the driver and the company should be responsible, and both should face the legal consequences. Keep the drivers from losing all responsibilities and force the company to take a good look at their tech when the legal fees start piling up
Requiring the "driver" to be alert at all times defeats the purpose of full self driving cars. And I doubt that "the rich" are concerned about being held responsible for traffic accidents. They can already afford chauffeurs; why would the situation with self driving cars be any different? Holding the driver responsible for self driving car accidents would not be "sticking it to the rich".
@@chestersnapdragonmcphistic579 poor people aren't buying fsd lol
@@AlbinoFuzWolf, you don't need to be rich to afford a self driving car. You can buy a used Tesla now for the price of a new Toyota Corolla or Rav4. While that's not "poor," it's not "rich" either. Also, cars like the Hyundai Elantra come with basic forms of lane keeping assist.
If a company sells a product called "full self driving" and doesn't want to take the blame for crashes, that's very unethical.
Either the car drives for you, or you drive it. The in between is what causes most crashes. Highway designers work hard to make roads difficult to crash on, but that often leads to inattentive drivers who end up crashing anyway. It's also a big problem for factories, where bored workers don't notice their mistakes after hours of repetition.
2:29 We feel you, Nolan. 2020 and 2021 really were just one big blur. 😂
The train example made such a good point
"Are we going to have to cut that?" - Considering selling their integrity for the praise other Tesla fans were going to give them for proving how good full self driving is.
Right? Imagine how many other near-misses are out there, but haven’t been shared because of that very reason
You’re taking speculation and running wild with it. Your taking literal information you don’t know and using it as proof lol. You don’t know if their comment was in jest. No, your assumption is all you need.
I'm actually surprised that they left it in. They could have just cut that whole section out or even their reaction, but instead they left everything in. Not a lot of people would have left ALL of it.
@@lawnmowerdude Jesus. It was obviously not in jest. Your reaction is just as funny - denial.
@@lawnmowerdude if only there was a way to see the whole video and follow their entire interaction. If only there was a way...I'll cut the suspense for you. Go watch the video...they're "convinced" it wouldn't have hit him and that is why they decided they could leave it in. According to the words coming out of their mouth if that's enough evidence for you. Btw. The analog to "we're leaving this in because it definitely wouldn't have hit him" is "we're taking this out because it would have hit him.". Are you one of those people who calls a stranger named Elon Musk..Elon like you know him?
Have a good day.
You too man
It’s like when Top Gear reviewed a Tesla and they sued. Tesla and EV fanboys go to ridiculous lengths to silence anyone pointing out the massive flaws Self driving and Electric cars. Up here in CT EV’s had brutal winter. They lose so much charging capability and range in the freezing weather it was mildly concerning for owners. But no news about it anywhere…
When you mentioned easing traffic, it made me think. You guys should do a video on California allowing motorcyclists to lane split and how it both eases congestion and makes it safer for riders. Maybe change public opinion for the rest of the country. Most of Europe already does it.
Most of Europe can drive standard transmission in all seasons lol the average euro driver is way more skilled than average North American
Don’t forgot Japan china Russia Australia New Zealand Brazil South Africa and California PLUS two new states of Utah and Montana.
@@THIS---GUY you act like driving a standard makes someone automatically a good driver. Yes euros are better drivers but your reasoning is poor.
@@awhiteguy24 -- Driving a standard doesn't automatically make someone good driver, but it automatically makes them a better driver.
@@awhiteguy24 in most cases driving standard regularly literally makes you a better driver with more tools to handle the same situation as an automatic driver. Standard drivers are way more aware of what's going on and have way more control over their vehicle.
Standard drivers can drive better and race better. They also are able to perform easy tasks that North American drivers struggle with like parallel park or 3 point turn even without the clutch.
A huge portion of the us has never even driven regularly in snow so they have a much lower skill in another situation where standard makes even more of a difference.
There are still bad drivers in Europe but far less than I've ever noticed in Canada or USA
I was taught “full rocking stop” for stop signs and right turn on red. This was 40 years ago. 🙄
Failed my first driving test for a rolling stop inv1965.
If Teslas start running over cyclists, maybe Jeremy Clarkson will give Tesla a second chance 😂
Thank you, well done!
I have had a few weird things happen while using FSD and autopilot. The worst is the phantom breaking for no reason. Scares the shit out of me every time
there was a hit and run here recently, car was a tesla. would have thought with all that technology the car would know driving off would be a bad idea. i don't know if the person was using self driving or not but the car should still realize it was in an accident and respond accordingly. yes ultimately its up to the driver to do the right thing but with all this modern tech making for a more hands off approach it will only cause peoples driving skills to become worse when they do need to take control.
One of the biggest issue i see with FSD is that the forward facing side cameras are on b piller, but if the car want to make decision if it is safe to enter an intersection it needs move in much closers to the intersection and sometimes in the intersection. If I as driver can't see the intersection, I can move forward and check that is not possible in b piller camera.
Second big issue I see is not with driving but with the understanding the world, if I see a vehicle parked I can observe and understand what is the person doing, if he/she going to move or I should move around it. But self driving cars are designed for one purpose driving, it does not if the trucked parked in front of it is finished unloading and about to drive off or just started unloading, and it may very well never know.
The cameras are fish eye lenses so they can see quite a bit left and right of each camera
@@kregadeth5562 the issue is not how wide your can see you willingly have more visibility of the junctions at the tip of your bumper compared to b pillar even if the b pillar can see 360 degrees
One issue with this video is that asking whether self driving cars are safe is the wrong question, the right question is whether or not self driving cars are safer than humans.
That said, I'm someone who likes to retain control over my car and even though I'm looking at getting an electric car (Nio ET7) which has fancy auto driving features, I don't plan to use them. I'm too worried that these kinds of features will breed irresponsible and unaware drivers.
For trucks that are limited to highways, the issues they'll face are computationally much easier than on inner city, rural or suburban roads. So let's get that problem solved first.
Wouldn’t a “near miss” actually be a “hit” instead? If you’ve nearly missed something, you have hit it. Furthermore, shouldn’t a “near miss” be called a “near hit”? I mean if you’ve nearly hit something, you have not hit it, you nearly hit it but avoided it 🤔
Damn that was close
I've driven a Tacoma with some driver assistance features. It automatically keeps a following distance that you can set, and it does pretty well at keeping you in your lane.
Just those two features make driving on the highway so much more enjoyable for me. I don't feel the need to pass people who are going slower than I want to go, and I feel like the car is helping me keep an eye on some things.
I use it the same way I use cruise control. I don't want to have to constantly monitor my speed, so I let the car do it for me. But I still need to keep a foot ready to brake.
I feel like if these kinds of features were developed as slowly as cruise control has been, people would think of it and use it that way. It's just an advanced version of cruise control.
I have never drove a Tesla but I just drove a new S580 for 400 some off miles roughly 8 hrs straight and the cruise control in Mercedes is pretty good at seeing stuff like stop signs motorcycles and people but it's not auto pilot it's cruise and you have to squeeze the wheel every few seconds or it shuts off I like it I'd really like to experience full self drive though
I love how you add each persons cars now!
I have no loyalty to Tesla or any other company but as a motorcyclist that almost gets hit by someone on a weekly basis because they are looking down at their phone, I’d rather take my chances driving next to a car that’s on “autopilot”. Is it perfect? No. But it doesn’t drink or smoke weed and then drive. It doesn’t have a bad day and get road rage. It’s not distracted by it’s kids or by it’s friends texting it. Everyone likes to point out the number of accidents caused by autopilot but that number doesn’t even come close to comparing to the number of accidents caused by human error or distracted driving every year.
Imagine tesla starts banning you from using auto pilot in a incorrect way bc u wont put your hand on a steering wheel for a certain amount of time or if you kept messing around with the autopilot to the point where it gets fed up and just takes away your autopilot privileges
It does.
The safety score, search it up!
Tesla already requires you touch the wheel, or the autopilot turns off.
Its like when you get early access to a video game so developers can iron out the bugs, but cars on public roads testing for bugs..that's sketchy AF.
you guys at Donut are a true example of transparency, love you brothers, don't ever change
I like the driving experience too much to let AI do it for me. I drive an EV and some people are surprised when I say I do not dream of driving a Tesla.
We have had fully autonomous mining haul trucks for some years, and fully automated passenger planes for decades. Both technologies have something critical that is glaringly missing in self-driving cars: ability for the vehicles to communicate with another. For example, planes can communicate with one another to avoid collisions (one goes up, one goes down). Until we have a standardized communication system between all cars on the road (e.g. Tesla talking to Honda and vice-versa), I don't think we will have fully autonomous self-driving.
Planes are not fully automated, not sure where that came from.. they have a pilot that intervenes regularly to do things like LANDING THE PLANE.
Planes are not fully automated, not sure where that came from.. they have a pilot that intervenes regularly to do things like LANDING THE PLANE.
@@Wpjgdmtu Planes when cruising on auto-pilot are practically fully autonomous. Of course the pilots are there to take charge if and when something goes wrong. But my point was that even then, they rely on a standard communication protocol to avoid collisions. It's called TCAS.
Was I the only one that flinched when the animated a train driving into traffic!?! Lol
I love how the editors snuck in that "ONE" editing gold😂
"Should we cut that part out?"
Is the equivalent of
" Should we cover this up at the cost of human life?"
My mom's Corolla has active cruise control I'd argue it's basically self driving. I use it on the freeway all the time. It's so nice to have in traffic I just sit there and it does all the work. But my big gripe is with those who would try to argue they are not at fault for any damages caused by the car self driving. You are still in the drivers seat you should be paying attention to what the car is doing. If they are taking about cars self driving with no one in them then yeah idk if that should be legal yet
I was surprised to hear that the UK government was trying to make manufacturers of self driving tech responsible for any accidents caused when you can currently lose your licence for being drunk in charge of a vehicle if you're found sleeping while over the limit in the backseat with the keys in the ignition (or simply in the front in case of keyless ignition) to stop the alarm going off. The point being that you are in charge of a potentially dangerous machine while inebriated which I can agree is dangerous without context but somehow being at the wheel of a moving vehicle without taking due care and attention because it has autopilot means you are without fault
Nice jobs,thanks share
A long time ago, I chased my dad around the skies in a van pulling a trailer. We had a ground station radio. He had his radio. These radios are line of sight mostly. Distance affected performance. There is a feature on all of these radios called Squelch. You could adjust the squelch to minimize noise. If you were right next to each other, you could have squelch turned all the way up and the radio would detect the transmission and let you hear the transmission. This was great if people were just flying around the airfield. It was terrible, if they were flying cross country. When they did that, we used a trick. You turned the squelch down to the point where you started to hear static. This meant that the detection circuit was no longer in play. With squelch at this level, you could hear transmissions from much further away because ALL signals were being sent through the speaker. This was hard on the ears. If you wanted to do it right, you put on headphones to get rid of external noise.
This is the problem self driving is facing. The difference between perfect detection and filtering. If you turn down the squelch in the FSD cars, the noise is too much to handle. If you don't turn it down, bicycles start to appear like targets.
Not many people have had to deal with squelch anymore.
I don't have high hopes for automated driving. In a fully controlled environment it will work. It is amazing how many times "fully controlled environments" in the wild are not fully controlled.
The solution is all cars run on tracks.
I do love Tesla and the vehicles that they produce. But marketing their cars as full self driving is extremely misleading.
As a cyclist youd be surprised how many people's natural instincts are to swerve into us. Looks like the tesla AI is just real good at learning from others
when you choose to bike on the only possible surface for cars to travel on, you should be very concerned about it happening, not the ones who need to be there.
Eww a cyclist
Just those on race bikes. You idiots think the road is yours and yours alone. At least here in the Netherlands.
the last time i had someone "missteer" their vehicle into me, they had to buy me a new bike. They were really mad when they found out how much it was worth (more than their car)
It's one of the cons of riding a bike that goes 15mph in a 30, not the safest thing you could do anyway
Easiest solution is to implement a law that makes the manufacturer liable for damages if an accident occurs while self driving software is active.
I do like cruise control and whatever its called where it maintains distance from the car ahead of you and lane assist where it will keep you centered. On long trips and early morning commutes my brain cant stay aware of everything all the time so taking some of the pressure off is nice but fully self driving vehicles just sound far too underdeveloped to impliment
I think more cars need to have full video by default too, to expose normal drivers. The fact that all tesla's record video lead to confirmation bias.
Dashcams have been gaining traction in the past few years, but ig they are voluntary
Dashcams dont last. i have to replace them every 3-6 years.
I'd bet those cams on tesla will go after 5-7 years
@@Ascend777 sooo many parts on cars don't last 5-7 years. Your argument is silly.
"Car guys" are often against FSD for all the wrong reasons. Imagine 80% of the cars on the road being 100% predictable. That allows "car guys" and motorcyclists to know exactly what the car next to them will do. It's like GTAV in real life.
Even better: imagine if people took public transport and the roads were all yours!
oh boi you didn't play GTAV recently if you think AI cars are predictable, they swerve onto you on purpose ! Not gonna go into conspiracy theory about why the devs did it, but they definitely programmed them to ram you
Euro Truck Simulator 2 would be a better example.
On ya talking about improving public transport, easily one of the best ways to cut emissions from vehicles and improve commute times
I have a manual Ford Bronco with adaptive cruise; I hope manuals keep being able to have this option
Today in heavy rain I watched one Tesla rear end another one, both in self driving given that both drivers were on their phones.
For several miles of my commute, everyone drives 75 in a 55 zone. It would be dangerous AF to have random autonomous cars getting on the highway at 55.
That already exists in California. Cars drive 75. Tractor trailers do 55 (restricted by law). It doesn’t cause massive pileups
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@@electrictroy2010 I’ve driven in Michigan where I think it was 55 for semis and 70 for everyone else. It is dangerous. It doesn’t need to cause massive pileups to be a bad idea.
Love Your video, as always. And I have to give a special "commendation" to Your "sponsor read" both writing and performance. I watched it without even reacting that it was "just another sponsor", well done ;)
Thanks for all the points you make around 8minutes in. Love to see that sentiment coming from a car centric channel. I like cars, It'd be great to be less reliant on them so when you do get to drive it's enjoyable.
8:03 Adam Something would be smiling :)
Trains are the solution to 99% of the problems cars cause.
@@baronvonslambert is that what the problem is? I always assumed all countries were passenger trains in the day, freight at night like we have...thhough i guess it doesnt work in countries as huge as the US
@@Gazmus Distance is often used as an excuse from people trying to justify the lack of passenger rail infrastructure in the US, rather than the systemic degradation of rail that got us into a car dependent dystopia in the first place.
As a guy who rides in the city a lot a car swerving towards you in traffic for no reason seems pretty normal for a % of drivers.
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I just like how Nolan is wearing a shirt that says support violent driving talking about self driving cars not being up to par😂😂😂
Hey I mean I can’t imagine anything more “HARDCORE, support violent driving” than swerving into a biker
I like showing what cars the hosts own at the beginning with their name. Good touch!
Need to do all the old forgotten nissan out there. They need some love been a while I seen any and some I never heard of the hatchback nissans of the 80s lol that would be kool
"regulatory sanctions"???? That means absolutely nothing to a company like Tesla. Giving the driver full immunity and shifting the blame to the manufacturer with tap-on-the-wrist "regulatory sanctions" is NOT a solution. if anything, both should be liable, driver and manufacturer
I bet people reacted to cruise control the same way
Probably not. Cruise control just held your throttle position, it wasn't driving for you. You still had to steer and brake on your own, and you were also still in control of the throttle since it didn't accelerate or decelerate on its own. Cruise control isn't relinquishing control of the vehicle.
I believe they have, and that's why adaptive cruise control is so common now. There have been plenty of crashes caused by driver's who forgot or didn't know they engaged CC.
There are also people who still refuse to use regular CC because it 'taxes away control of the car.'
@@ElectronicsForFun you're confusing throttle locks on motorcycles with cruise control. CC will change the throttle position as necessary to maintain the set speed. Sometimes, it will startle driver's by getting the auto trans to downshift for hill climbing as a result. That's how it has worked since the 80s at least.
I dunno, some human drivers also have the urge to swerve into cyclists... Maybe Tesla is just modelling your average Audi driver? That is their target audience, after all...
My area, it's all large trucks that screw with cyclists. Rolling coal, pushing off road, cutting off, buzzing.. Nothing lethal, but it's terrifying to experience.
(Edit: oversized pickup trucks, not commercial trucks.. Semi drivers seem to be the most courteous to us)
@@SonjaTheDork Commercial vehicle drivers (trucks, trains, etc.) are held in higher standard. Besides, a bad driver can ruin the image of the operator.
Your content is the best , I have no interest in Tesla , yet watched full thing and loved it , amazing work
there are a few fully automated train/metro systems most notably the Vancouver Skytrain which allows their system to run with super high frequencies. The Montreal REM and Torontos future Ontario Line will also be fully automatic (shoutouts to Reece Martin)
*note by automatic i mean it in the sense that the vehicles themselves are driverless, however there are still people operating the system almost like it’s Air traffic control but for trains instead. i don’t think anyone would argue about calling a car “fully automatic” if it’s driverless so i use the term here for trains as well
NO self driving cars for me. I even like to use a manual transmission. But I support any tech that makes roads safer. And I appreciate you Donut Media for being more than what you seem. I mean this was serious journalism and important to society. Just one problem....as you talked about fatalities and accidents and driving safely, your tshirt says support violent driving.
A Tesla could plow through an orphanage tomorrow and Tesla Fans would say:" Well the AI hasn't been trained with enough orphanage data yet"
It's really weird, Tesla and Elon Musk have this cult-like following.
@@RSpracticalshooting edison had it aswell. These huge businessmen getting a following is the norm
Now we wouldn't, and nothing remotely close to that has happened. Driver is still required to pay attention and be ready to takeover exactly because it's not ready yet.
lmao
@@drogerflav6350 I mean, it's still pretty weird. Like I'm a massive King Crimson fan (I like, have boxsets and even their full 2001 North America tour) but I'll 100% admit Fripp is kind of a prick and that Bill Bruford was a MASSIVE cunt near the end of his tenure in the band.
Like I can like a thing, while also criticizing the people who are apart of it. I love The Crew but I ain't gonna defend Ubisoft.
Where I live. If you're driving the speed limit then you're the dangerous one. Freeway speed limits are around 55-65MPH but most of the people on the freeway are going 80MPH.
so I guess there are no lorries where you live
@@federicosbetta1368 you mean a semi truck? Yes we have plenty of those here, they are all over the place. You're guaranteed to see a whole fleet of them on any freeway at any time and I have at least 5 show up to my store everyday. The way it works is we have 4 lane highways and the trucks stay to the left in the slow lanes while the cars stay in the right lanes that move faster. But unless they are govern they can actually haul ass when they want to.
was passed by about 8 of the waymo cars on my ride in sf yesterday
The ratio of hours on road to accident needs to be explored here, for both cars and humans. If tesla shows that their cars make less accidents than humans then it is unsafe to let people drive their car. People are scared of car crashes caused by software because it is out of their control. That ratio would show if that fear is valid.
This ratio does exists actually; 1 accident every 425,000 miles driving by human, 1 accident every 4.24million miles driving by a Tesla on autopilot..but the headline will always sell
Everything you said it true however it’s not a balance view. Tesla with FSD today has the lowest accident rate than all other cars and after you pay for FSD you need to maintain a 98 safety score which is very difficult to achieve.
4:15 while i agree with the sentiment of the video, saying all teslas were using autopilot or assists during the crash is like saying they were all using the heater or AC. yeah they were but they all are all the time, when was the last time a tesla WASN'T using assists?
In Germany the fully self driving mode is not available and also illegal...
Love the shirt while talking about self driving tech 🤣
I would love true autonomous driving. Even in long commutes being able to watch videos rather than deal with insane drivers would lower my stress. Would also be sweet to have my car pick me up from the airport or send it out as a taxi.
Basically describing buses ;)
Ever heard of public transport?
Trouble is, as this suggests, artificial intelligence can't be trusted as far as it can be thrown with our lives.
Kinda ironic that Nolan is talking about how sketchy and unsafe Tesla's autopilot with a shirt that says ''support violent driving''
Probably a long shot, but would love it if you talked about how transit oriented development/bike lanes makes driving better, like notjustbikes’s video on driving in Amsterdam.
My mom almost had an accident with a friend who has a Tesla on auto pilot back in 2018 when they couldn’t steer in tight corners very well
as a cyclist first, and auto enthusiast second , who has been struck, doored and curbed by moving cars, this subject is--as you say--more than a little problematic. I like how you drew the analog between highway freight drivers and train conductors. also, bonus points for bumping public transit when the environmental issues come up.
Replace HOV lanes with fully autonomous lanes. Self-driving vehicles could potentially drive faster, safer if they were running the same programs without interference.
thank you for sharing this story. It's important to remember most street users are actually many different types of users all in one. Driving is great, I love cycling to work, and I'll walk or take the bus to the shops all in one day too.
I thought I'm the only one surprised when he was talking about public transport, nice video Nolan!