EPISODE 89 - Ritchie's Detransition: The Myth of Adult Invulnerability
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- čas přidán 28. 09. 2022
- Quick Notes:
Ritchie Herron, also known as TullipR on twitter, is a 35 year old detransitioning male, who spent almost a decade living as a trans woman. Prior to his fixation on gender, Ritchie had spent most of his life struggling with debilitating anxiety, and obsessional OCD thoughts. As you’ll hear, he is brilliant, articulate, and compelling. But in his teens and young adult life, he forced his big personality into submission. He was terrified of the truth: that he was gay. Internalized shame, body hatred, and extreme isolation only fed into his OCD. In the throes of all this, he found an online forum about gender dysphoria and everything changed in an instant, as Ritchie had a new goal and a new OCD obsession. In this interview, he delivers a moving and powerful account of what happened next. And keep in mind, this is the story of a vulnerable adult, well over 18, but still the victim of a system that missed red flags over and over again. In 2018, after much coaxing from the professionals, he underwent a procedure under the UK’s National Health Service which removed his genitals. The regret set in almost immediately. Ritchie is now working towards suing the NHS for failing to address serious mental health issues during the diagnostic process. He is active on Twitter, and his brilliant substack, promoting and reposting stories of detransitioners, particularly highlighting the hidden stories of men, bringing awareness to the public about what he calls “the medical scandal of our time”.
Links:
Ritchie’s Substack - TullipR: tullipr.substack.com/
Ritchie’s harrowing tweet thread on being a detransitioner:
TullipR/status/15...
Richie's Twitter: / tullipr
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Thank you for posting Richie’s Substack so we can support his work. His voice has been brutally honest while his intelligence and humor put the listener at ease as the full power of his experience and loss is understood. Thank you for sharing this interview with us.
Richie talks about getting caught dancing in his sister's ballet costumes and the shame he felt. It made me think just how incredibly lucky I was. I wanted to do ballet like my finds who where all girls and my mom agreed to sign me up for a ballet class and got me slippers and tights and so on, and my dad painted me this gorgeous piece with two male and one female ballet dancer in it. Not that I kept it up and found the tights embracing and was uncomfortable wearing a cup or not wearing one. and I was lucky enough to just miss having the internet as a kid.
His comment on this is disturbing though. There are male ballet dancers. There are hetrosexual male ballet dancers.
Being a dancer or a ballet dancer doesn't make you a female or homosexual. There is no correlation between the arts and feminine behavior and homosexuality. What you do and how you dress have nothing to do with your biological sex, gender, sexual orientation, or personality.
Ritchie you're a very articulate young man and express your history using a mixture of straight forward talking and dark humour that draws the listener along with you.
I'm sorry you got caught up in gender ideology and there were no professionals on your path to say hold on, I hope that detransitioners and the public will benefit from your candour. All the best with your future
I love listening to Ritchie bc I’m the same age & while male friends & family fought in Iraq war & I was holding a job & dealing with mental health issues. I wasn’t but so many people I knew at the time were misdiagnosed with bipolar
Love Richie's firm grasp of Anglo-Saxon profanities!
They have their place, and rhat's where they are appropriate. They exist for a reason.
LOL! 100%!
Very good episode. Ritchie nailed it. Glad this is getting some recognition. Adults are being harmed too.
Ritchie's obsession with controlling, or trying to control how people percieved him reminds me of an interview between Benjamin Boyce and trans recoverer Kobie.
Kobie remarked just how hyper vigilant he was about how people referred to him and how he was being perceived.
It made me think a lot of the hurt and resentment expressed by trans wimen could well be a symptom of the 'blickers'.
Thanks for having Ritchie on! Thanks Ritchie for taking the time to share your story.
One factor that caught my attention... the hormones to suppress testosterone seem to have an unpleasant impact on 🌷 Ritchie's mental clarity. A "fog" i think he said... so after the blood transfusion and them finally getting him stabilized, he had the physical and psychic shock of the surgery combined.... AND more mental clarity from not taking the blockers.
I've taken lupron for IVF (2 weeks i think it was) and other hormones early in that process and I was a complete mental/emotional wreck, wild mood swings, crying uncontrollably at times, extreme anxiety. Part of it was the situation... but I was aware that most of how I was feeling was completely abnormal.
Some of the female trans & detrans ppl who have talked about effects of T (beyond the honeymoon period) also have had some unpleasant side effects.
It seems to me that PRIOR to any gender surgery AND PRIOR TO any hormones that can affect mood or mental clarity/critical thinking - trans identifying ppl should have substantial therapeutic support and resolution of any comorbities. Ritchie and every other detrans person had complex needs that went unaddressed completely.
Yes, they "chose" it... like a child getting hit by a car chose to run into the road. We are supposed to protect ppl from harm. We *know* small children need constant supervision near a busy road and we *know* ppl suffering from depression, anxiety, PTSD, etc should not be encouraged to make these decisions without being in a stable mental state.
What happened to rational caution in the medical field??
Ritchie mentioned mental impact of HRT to increase the risk of dementia. Are there any studies to back up that please? I think he synthesized the information but still, it was quite important. I'd like to examine the sources if available. Thanks!
The lgbt community and organizations allegedly threatened and sued the medical and mental health community for discrimination and got people fired years ago over these issues. The medical community thus took an approach of gender affirming and not questioning these issues to avoid lawsuits and to protect their jobs.
Those captured by the affirmation model, work from a position where they attribute any co morbid conditions a patient may be experiencing to them reallly just being trans, and that once they transition, the other issues will resolve, rather than the position that sees trans ideation and gender dysmorphia as a symptom of other co morbid mental health, environmental, developmental or personality disorders, or as a result of personal traumas the patient may have suffered in the past or currently be sufferring.
Such an important conversation! Thank you to all of you. Ritchie is a true warrior.
People are removing essential parts of their bodies. Just think about that for a minute.
Yes, they have mental health issues that were not addressed & were given ok by clinicians to go ahead with it. Criminals.
Holy shit! I didn't even consider the genital atrophy aspect of taking cross sex hormones or hormone blockers! I really hope patients are told this.
Growing up gay when you were Ritchies and my age, was to be less than , and considered a walking a joke, I can see how this could have happened to me, I really hope he is o.k and gets better. He’s a hero for little gay boys everywhere.
I'm quite surprised at this as I figured people were more accepting of homosexuals in that time. Maybe not the place..?
26:53 to 27:42... Wow. Incredible and alluring revelation, indeed... Thank you Ritchie for sharing your story so candidly. Purely in a mental health context, a few things you said already, sound familiar to me in my life experience, identity, relatioships and self-perception (I'm 65 now).
What a heartbreaking story.
We need much better mental health services but I have some sympathy with mental health professionals because they're facing an uphill battle against the ideology/lobbying/"charities" and trying to walk a fine line between listening, empathizing, not wanting to lose their career, not having access to the best available evidence or help (including suppression). I think a lot of people simply abdicate responsibility, trust in the chain of command and engage in wishful, hopeful thinking that what the affirmers claim is true.
Even those who still believe in the affirmation model should hopefully have to face up to the fact that we need more holistic care and that if other comorbidities are present it affects the person's ability to consent.
Unfortunately I don't think 90% of them think beyond surface level conveyor belt enabling.
P.S.
That Twitter thread is at once harrowing and needs to be the type of basic information every male considering surgeries. It's clear people are not being adequately informed.
This might be Ritchie's best interview.
Wow. That was brutal and honest.
Thank you ❤❤❤❤
absolutely fascinating thank you!
So powerful
Thank you
I'm absolutely delighted with my surgery, although it isn't perfect I'm just so much happier. I cried after I had it and the nurse totally misread my tears - she said "oh I know you wanted it but it's still a loss". I was crying with relief. Physical dysphoria was so painful to live with. My relationship with my body is really healthy now, I like how I look, how I sound, and I have a loving partner. I've heard about people regretting surgery way before Richie, and although their experiences are valid, I really can't understand it. It's like suddenly they understand what physical dysphoria is actually like and they've made a terrible mistake. I wish there was a clearer way to delineate who will benefit from surgery and who won't. I would have continued to be absolutely miserable without it.
I had my surgery 9 years ago, and not a single day of even the slightest bit of regret. I'm absolutely sure that in another 10 years I will feel exactly the same.
Thanks for your comment. We are glad that things are working out well for you!
The issue with Ritchie in particular could have been his severe ocd. The therapist really should have honed in on that. Truly happy it turned out well for you 😊.
I don't trust you
why?
@@hagathacrusty8995 he is a troll- don’t mind him.
the feeling is mutual.
Who? Ritchie? The hosts? And why?