Why The 911 Turbo Was The Deadliest Road Car💀 | Turbo Ep.1
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
- Widowmaker: a term coined by German pilots terrified of their flawed Luftwaffe F104G Starfighter seemed fitting for the Porsche 930 Turbo.
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The 930s were actually famous for spinning out while letting off the gas or braking through a turn. Not under acceleration. Accelerating through a turn, even when the boost hits, they have incredible grip.
Exactly, all the weight over the rear, under load on throttle these cars grip. Its when you lift off mid-corner, and the weight transfers to the front, the rear can step out, and not mentioned here.
Sounds like mr2
I think the issue about the boost lag is the inexperienced driver starts adding too much throttle too early in the turn, boost hits, backend gives an unexpected shove forward and a little sideways, driver overreacts and fully cuts throttle, rear end briefly tucks back in as traction catches up but then swings very wide as the weight shifts to the front end and the engine-heavy rear pendulums all the way around.
I never had my Turbo spin out during deceleration or acceleration.
@@bngr_bngr you’re not going fast enough then
Owned an '86 930. Hway On-ramps were like taking off from an aircraft carrier. Lifting mid-turn was suicidal. Gas tank in front so traveling across Texas at 140 mph was scary when the tank was near empty becuase the front end would get very light.
Worked for a used car dealer. Morning time I get 2 dealer plates and a address in Brooklyn to pick up a 86 Turbo. Im 18 at that time. I go in bus and subway. Reach the house, install plates, shake hands and start driving back to dealership in Long Island. Drives ok, get on highway and all hell broke loose. Got off the next exit, summertime temps in mid 90's, I get out of this car with feeling sick to my stomach, im ice cold and my knees were wobbly. I almost called my boss and told him I cant drive this thing back but came to an silent agreement with myself to not let revs get above 3000. Made it back. Now I'm 52 and have yet to match that car. Seriously, WHAT THE HELL were the engineers thinking when they created this monstrosity. Driving this car will definitively scar you for life.
I have an 85 with the 5spd in it. Thing is a rocket after 3 grand !
@@mehatestaxesit's a Drivers car. No comfy Corvette
The handling issue with the 930 was NOT the boost suddenly coming on mid corner. It was lifting off the throttle mid corner and the weight of the rear engine would cause the tail to swing out. Mid engined cars and rear engined cars do this. If you know how to really drive these cars, you can use this “feature” to steer with the throttle. Go into a tight hairpin, lift off the throttle for a split second, as the tail starts to come around, hit the throttle again to regain traction and direction.
Interesting how today’s Porsche Turbo more than doubles the original’s power, but due to traction control and other advanced technology is much safer to drive near the limit.
Precisely.
My dad use to work for Porsche and he said they are like boats the way you have to drive them. You really can only take corners if you hold your foot in the gas as much as it feels it doesn’t want to grip it will, it’s when you let off and the rear end unloads and lifts it takes all weight off the tires.
I'm so glad you decided to do Porsche. I love Porsche as a brand and my dream car is the 918.
too bad you're stuck with your mom's volvo 240
@@dannyzuehlsdorf3697 You are mighty rude. Can you say insecure?
@@dannyzuehlsdorf3697 what's wrong with volvo? Its reliable and fun to drive
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@@Payday5 You're right, but not even close to a Porsche. Well, MAYBE the 924! ☺
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It really takes me back in the day when my friend’s dad warned him about the limit handling of his air-cooled Targa and had my friend practice in a large empty parking lot.
Talk about balling in the 80’s. 😊
The production of these videos are just beautiful
Had a 73 911T, Guards Red, car was a rocket. Reminded me of my days of go kart racing. First car I broke 125 mph in fully pegged 5th gear and .8Gs too. Front air dam, exhaust. Fuchs Alloys pirellis, built bosch injection. And believe me had 12 chevy muscle cars but that 911 was on rails and pulled hard!
Drove a 87 930 Turbo for a few weeks. It was insanely fun. When the turbo kicked in the force of acceleration pulled you back into your chair. My friend who came for a ride in it compares it to taking off in a jet. A lot of rear engined cars have the pendulum effect when the arse end will overtake the front end if given half a chance. You just drive accordingly.
I’ve always said that the 930 and the 959 are the reason that the 911 is still made to this day.
Especially the 959
When you do the 959. Can you remember to point of the fact that it took Porsche till 1997 in the form of the 911 Turbo S to “match” (not beat) the 959’s performance .
Truly an amazing car
959 is the greatest supercar of the 80s , so many dream porches to choose from !
I agree. The technology in the 959 filtered down into the consumer 911 series starting with the all-wheel-drive 964 Carrera 4.
The 959 I think is the best car ever created. There were so many things that car had in the 80’s that most cars didn’t get till the 2000’s. There is a guy that continued the the r&d of them from the 90’s on and he’s been able to get them to I think like 3.3 second 0-60 and like close to 800 horsepower. Off same platform and engine. They really were the first super car. Such a damn shame the us market never was able to get them. My dad says he remembers working at Porsche cars of America in Reno Nevada in 84-86 and he said he saw when they brought over a couple for track day cars.. they never were allowed to stay cause the whole crash test controversy. But he said he remembers seeing them unload a few out of a truck one day at work.
I was ten the first time I saw a 911 Turbo. Between the flares and the Whale Tail, I was in awe. It was an amazing machine. It is still one of the amazing vehicles I have ever seen.
The funny thing with rear engine is when I had my first car which was the 850 cc fiat.
While driving it with smooth rear tyres in the rain I used to imagine I was in the turbo porche.
I used to absolutely love getting it sideways and it was very controllable.
I think porche should have made a special effort to retrain the 911 new owners of the turbo in how to handle it.
I seem to remember Porsche showing up at Watkins Glen with a 2.0 liter turbo in 1969 for the 6hr race. There was a story that a mechanic had installed a wastgate backward which doubled the boost. They remedied the mistake wihout damage to the engine. As the story goes, for a brief time the little 2liter was putting out around 800hp. That's what I heard anyway. I think I was there to cover the 6hr and Can-Am races for a publication and learn the track for my first SCCA National race the following month.
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Awesome video mate. Spent the first 10 years of my career as a tech working at a speed shop that specialised in Porsche, I've yet to find ANY mistakes on any of your Porsche related videos. I usually pick up a few here and there from much larger channels.
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Great video!!! Your free-flowing narration along with great video footage (for reference) made this absolutely wonderful to watch. I'm looking forward to your next segment.😊
I've always loved the 911, it was one of my poster cars as a kid in the 80's. This is really well done, you really get into all the key details of the history of the 911 turbo in a video under 15 minutes, that is impressive. I enjoyed it.
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I believe the second production car to be turbocharged was the International Scout 80, it had a 152 or 196 cubic inch 4 cylinder with a I believe a Garrett turbo. Unfortunately most systems were uninstalled at dealers after most people realized that the tech wasn’t quite there. I have a 196 Scout 80 and one day I’d love to do a turbo system “justice” with efi and a modern turbo, to be clear it’s not gonna be fast, I don’t want to make a racecar but the added power of a turbo will help with drivability, if you’ve driven up a steep grade on a 60s 4 cylinder you would know why id want a turbo.
The thing about the 930 was that you have to stay ON the gas when the ass-end starts to come out. It's counter-intuative and it takes a lot of skill and trust in the car to keep the rear in check.
I am so loving this and can't wait for all the different 911 break down videos.
Absolutely phenomenal work. I have always loved the quality and depth of your videos and once again you have raised the bar. As a 911 Turbo S owner myself, I can’t wait for your next episodes!
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What 911 turbo s do you own? My uncle has a 964 man I love that thing I just can’t stand hearing 911 I want to know which one not talking you down or anything just curious. I pray it’s not a 996
Keep that 964 as long as possible! Their build quality is phenomenal.
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What a well put together video, thank you for sharing it!
I still own a drive a 1983, 911 Turbo Carrera in Red and Black with the full European body flair package. 430,000 original miles. Bought her brand new and have never regretted it and she still turns heads
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Great video and enjoyed it very much. One other thing is the 930 Turbo has slightly wider front fenders as well. Once thing about these is the grip is excellent with modern tires so in street driving you would would have to be going very hard into a turn and then make a mistake to have a problem. IMO back in the day, the tire compounds sucked and inexperienced drivers that experienced boost in a turn panicked and lifted off the throttle abruptly causing the oversteering. It would be just like the people crashing when exiting cars and coffee, but at higher speed.
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Great video. A wonderful summary and overview of probably the most influential engineering aspect (turbocharging) to permeate future 911 models - both forced induction and naturally aspirated. If you haven't already, I suggest reading Paul Frère's, "Porsche 911 Story" - any edition - for a comprehensive, inside engineering perspective of the 911.
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The original Porsche 911 (930) turbo - the car that was the definition of snap oversteer. I met someone who lost his son to a 911 turbo.
Kind of like the Porsche girl that became infamous. Makes me sad to think how many have died in Porsche's due to not being able to handle it.
I owned a 2003 Porsche GT2, one of the "Widowmakers" and the real reason they were such a handful was that the factory in their wisdom, decided that in order to stop people crashing the rear-engined Turbo cars, they'd dial in quite a bit of front end understeer. Well, all that did was to make it WORSE. The car would plow at the front, then all of a sudden, the front tires would grip again, and all those forces would cause the rear end of the car to unweight and then you'd spin.
The fix, was to dial in a lot more front camber, change the caster angle a little and make the front grip properly and also turn in better and faster; that solved it for my car. I used to track my car at Laguna Seca, Thunderhill, Sears Point/Sonoma Raceway and others, and once the suspension was really dialed in, as well as setting the ride height to Euro specs, not US specs, the car was transformed - I was regularly 2 seconds a lap faster than the GT3's at Laguna Seca. I really regret selling that car, I miss it.
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300bhp from the 3.3L turbo notwithstanding, we have to remember the 930 didn't have all the "nannies" to keep that power in check (traction control, ABS, etc). A beast of a car - widowmaker indeed.
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Lift off oversteer, snap oversteer.
A lot of the demons in the chassis got exorcised in the 993 style Turbo. The air cooled twin turbo Porsches were absolutely awesome, and Ruf furthered the legend throughout its existence.
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Back in 1987 I went to a Porsche dealer to finance a new car but my insurance company would not cover it. I went across the street and bought a 1987 Buick Grand National. Strangely they had no problem insuring that vehicle. I still have it.
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Lots of doctors and lawyers spun these in corners because of the heavy rear and light front end, leading to the nickname "hammer ".
Slow into the corner, fast out was the mantra.
My Porsche mechanic in Central California called them "Dr. killers" in the late 80's. That wasn't common knowledge in the car culture talk of the day.
No. They spun when they lifted their foot off the accelerator halfway through a corner, losing them downforce at the rear.
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I have an 82 930 with some mods and about 400hp. It commands respect but that’s what makes it exciting. I do not drive it as aggressively as many of my other sports cars.
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