The Porsche 930 Turbo: Truly A Widowmaker? Owner Reveals The Truth
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2024
- The Porsche 930 Turbo has the reputation of being the "widowmaker." Let's see what a long-term owner has to say.
In this Porsche 911 owner interview, Chuck, the owner of an amazingly clean Porsche 930 turbo, shares the story of his gorgeous Guards Red example.
In this video you'll discover:
- How this owner found his Porsche 930 Turbo
- How reliable the 930 has been for him
- Whether it's been expensive for him to own a Porsche 911 930
- What his opinion is about the worst way to drive a 930
- The one time Chuck truly almost lost control of the car
- Whether or not this owner believes that the Porsche 930 Turbo is really and truly a "widowmaker"
0:00 Start
1:17 Porsche 930 owner introduction
1:29 Facts about the Porsche 930 turbo
1:47 How Chuck found his 930
3:10 Mods done to the car
4:01 Porsche 930 Reliability
6:31 Managing the boost in a 930
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- 1977 Porsche 924 Martini Edition Safari Car
- 1986 Porsche 911 Carrera in guards red (SOLD) - 1992 Porsche 911 964 in Amazon Green metallic (SOLD)
- 1995 Porsche 911 993 Coupe in polar silver
- 1995 Porsche 911 993 in Grand Prix White
- 2007 Porsche 911 997.1 Turbo in guards red (SOLD)
- 2009 Porsche 911 997.2 C4S PDK (SOLD)
- 2014 Porsche Cayman S
- 2016 Porsche Cayman GT4
- 2016 Porsche Boxster Spyder
- 2017 Porsche 911 Carrera S
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I like this dude because he clearly enjoys driving his 911 more than he enjoys owning his 911.
Same
Do we all 😎
My dad left me his 79’ 930. It’s in the shop being restored right now and hope to have it back in the next few weeks. I’ve never actually driven it and I’m watching EVERYTHING to try and prepare for that
Hope this helped
When I was a kid, I would wake up looking forward to cartoons on Saturday morning. now I wake up looking forward to Will's video. The 930 was my dream car when I was a teenager and realized it when I bought my 993 Turbo.
So much more sculptural than current models
Well, that is certainly an enthusiastic gentleman who didn't just buy a 930 for prestige. Very refreshing. Thanks for sharing! This beauty must be driven, bravo 🥳
Thank you for your comments
At around 8:40 minute, Chuck talks about keeping pace. Let me tell you, YES HE CAN. I have chased Chuck with my 997.1 in the Smokies and he knows how to drive his gorgeous 930.
You are kind Cesar Palacio. Looking forward to our next drive.
@8:18 -- It's a powerful car _and_ it's much lighter than the "land yachts" people were accustomed to in the 70's.
I have had my 1987 930 for 24 years and I am the second owner. The car is solid today as it was 35+ years ago. I purchased the car for a song and it is worth stupid money now even after putting 45K miles on it.
How much did you pay for it?
Low $30K.@@chrisk920
I have an ‘87 930 Guards Red with the common black interior love the car and I’m going driving in mine today.
1982 Porsche 930 Turbo (European Specs-Grey Market in the U.S.) in RARE Guards Red on Red (Two Color-Red on Red Leather Seats with Black Dashboard) was mine (1982-1985). This Porsche had been known in South Florida as the quickest and Best Looking Porsche on the roads there. The acceleration was incredible off the line, from my experiences, quicker than a Ferrari or Lamborghini.
👍😀The Euro specs version is way nicer and faster than the US version. You should try a Euro-WLS 330hp once. I drove one once and i almost crapped my pants. The plain fact is this car is still has the feared reputation on the roads. Nobody wants to racing with you even people are know there are much stronger and faster cars out today.
Interesting touch to do the interview in the parking lot of a cemetery. Really informative. Great, down to earth, knowledgeable driver-owner. Beautiful 930. Subscribed.
O.M.G. Funniest damn comment. Will and I totally missed the irony of the setting. Thanks for the nice words.
What a machine! A timeless work of art.
LOL. After driving a mid-engined car for years, I was surprised at how a front-engined car with rwd plowed instead of the expected over-steer.
Awesome interview! Thank you both!
The 930 is such a striking car. I think it just has to do with the small 911 chassis complete with the narrow and lean cockpit middle section making those fenders even more beautiful. I think the controllability of the cars now has a lot to do with modern tires. My performance cars in the 80's came with tires that had harder compounds than all season tires have now.
I just saw a video where someone mentioned this. The handling issues in the 80s 911s were due to tire technology at that time.
1982 Porsche 930 Turbo (European Specs-Grey Market in the U.S.) in RARE Guards Red on Red (Two Color-Red on Red Leather Seats with Black Dashboard) was mine (1982-1985). This Porsche had been known in South Florida as the quickest and Best Looking Porsche on the roads there. The acceleration was incredible off the line, from my experiences, quicker than a Ferrari or Lamborghini.
Think about CN36s..... nothing like today's tires. OTOH if you f*ck up now with modern tires you have really bought the farm at that point LOL. Also I have never seen red on red either!
Great content Will! Chuck, sweet ride! Lots of cool little nuggets of knowledge all through this video.
Another great 👍🏽 vid Will. Really enjoy these owner interviews. Plus this 930 turbo is beautiful.
fantastic stuff, great video, great car and great owner too.
These must be rare as the only other one ive seen is my old boss's 930 widebody turbo in guards red which had the red carpet and full red interior it was stunning!
Ill never forget this detail about it: and ive never seen another car with it: on the dasboard there was a handbrake light which was larger than the one in this video and it had a german word across the centre of it? it really stood out to me as i thought it was just uber german cool! 👍👍👍👍
Always great hearing it direct from an owners viewpoint. Any 911 demands respect and your full attention when driving. I guess that could be said about any top notch sports car though. 👍
That's an interesting point he makes - when these came out a sub-6 second 0-100 was considered super fast. By today's standards, we're quite comfortable with it. For perspective, a 2022 Golf R is quicker in every gear. Still, the simple physics of that pendulum effect when you go off-throttle in the mid-corner remains a defining characteristic that will catch you out if you're not aware of it, and maybe even if you are. You drive a 911 of this era differently to other cars - or you crash. It earned it's reputation. Slow in, fast out.
Will, enjoyable video. There is something very attractive about the nostalgia and build quality of these old Porsches. That’s what keeps me hanging onto my 87 3.2. Enjoy your channel. Thank you.
Stunning car, thank you! Really appreciate the 'Meet The Owner' videos on the Rennthusiast channel. Also, many thanks to this owner for generously showcasing his 930 Turbo and telling us about his experiences owning and driving such an icon, of the Porsche brand itself and in the total, automotive history, a poster car for sure. And regarding the title of your video, I don't know if the interview setting was by intention or a coincidence, but anyways, a cool touch. Thank you again, a true Saturday staple, brand new Rennthusiast video 👍
Thanks for the support
Great video about a enthusiastic owner and his beautiful car.
Like you I've never seen another red/red 930.
My 86 is a non sunroof (slick top) guards red with full burgundy interior. It has a few other interesting options as well to make me believe that someone must have chosen these things specifically when it was new.I've never seen this combination again anywhere.
Great vid Will. I enjoyed every minute...well done. Please keep them coming.
Thank you 🙏🏽
The 911 DOES want to kill you. I’ve had a protective order on one for some time.
Love the 930. Want to see more of the 2 door bronco. I also have a 2 door bronco and a 993 c4s. Love the channel!
I grew up always loving these cars. Love the content and the interview. Great guy . All the best !
Thank you 🙏🏽
The one and only most iconic Porsche the 930. It appears friendly and super sporty in your rear mirror and maybe an invite flashed high beam to move over …
Great video of my favorite make of Porsche!!
Great video, Will, really nice down to earth analysis of the 930.
Thanks! 🙏🏽
Great video. I love what chuck said, a good 911 driver should be aggressive but humble.
I'd add if you're interested in buying, maybe drive one first. When they returned to the U.S market for 86' they were slugs till 4k revs -- then boost hits and you're gone! I love 'em, but totally opposite experience when compared to today's low-end torque monster turbo Porsches.
Will I'm kind of surprised you haven't added one of these to your collection yet. I think these are fantastic cars... They are very rare here in Hawaii. There is now only one shop on all of Oahu that can work on them and its where I take my 89 Anniversary 3.2. It was a blue one out in a wild just a couple of days ago and tried to reach him on the highway but he was gone... I couldn't catch him😂. Granted I was in my Bronco at the time. Speaking of Broncos welcome to the club! I just purchased a 2023 Sasquatch 2-door Wildtrak a month ago. Great truck.
Great content, enjoyed. Glad YT shared it on the old feed
Glad you enjoyed it
@@Rennthusiast more reviews I do, the more I like older cars. Modern cars just lack soul and fun factor.
It is funny that the owner said "Widow Maker" as the camera panned to him with the graveyard in the background. Timing is everything...
OMG, funny.
Looks great in red, what a nice car with that color matched interior.
I had an 82 black on black and loved that car. I wish I had kept it but let it go after 8 years when the prices when through the roof. The only gripe on mine is it really needed a 5 or 6 speed to be a bit more drivable. Solid as a bank vault. Simply closing those doors, it is so tight, you know it's an amazing build quality! Thanks for sharing your story!!
Awesome car. Great video. Really enjoy the channel.
Thank you 🙏🏽
Chuck!!!! Great video. I had no idea you were going to be in one and I don't remember seeing anything on the PDCC website about you being in one. Such a great surprise to see you on here.
Thank you Chris Finch. No, I didn't say anything because I knew Ethan would have a 1-liner that would "put me in my place" and at the same time have me rolling on the ground.
Thanx. I'm learning about lift-throttle oversteer, so this definitely helped. :D
Stunning car, one of my fav 911's.
What a beautiful guards red inside and out
I have an earlier 79' 930 from before the "widowmaker" lawsuit . Yes, it's a dangerous car for people who don't learn easily. That red over red is pretty cool, mine is black over cashmere tan so she's less flashy /noticeable. Still a very fast car that does driving very well for an old car. I used to also have a 911SC with a Paxton supercharger on it... that car was even more dangerous as it had instant turbo level horsepower in the SC body and less traction. That had even more lift off issues 😮
I drove a red/red 930 some years ago but it was completly red inside. But it was repainted, as far as i know. Was one of the last with the 5-Speed. From this experience i still dream of owning one one day
Beautiful Porsche!!! Surprised its only got 4 gears!
If Chuck hadnt done an eight ball in 20 minutes then got behind the wheel he cannot genuinely judge the cars reputation
Outstanding Love that Red on Red. Just picked up a few merch items. Small request can you kindly add a "Rennthusiast" Logo as a Sticker Thanks Will. Cheers!🥂👊🏿🎩
This car has haunted my thoughts since my birth in 1985, my mother tells me the doctor that delivered me owned one
It's strange because I'm a muscle car guy and not interested in European cars at all yet the 930 always found it's way among the trans ams and camaros in my hot wheels collection
I've only driven one once! It had made such an impression on me! I LOVED the car and still do! It was the "king" in it's day!
Will, love the education. Would you consider more videos behind the wheel on some twisties with the exhaust mic'd? Or a video comparing your cars; I'm curious to understand how much difference the drive is between each. I'm studying the air cooled cars. Thinking next car is a late eighties Carrera with a G50 (as are many other enthusiasts). I have a 2012 guards red GTS and absolutely love driving SE Ohio, WV, and KY roads with it.
Would love to do that. I have so many ideas for videos it’s hard to keep up with them but this is a good one. Thanks for watching. 🙏🏽
I did not know the 5-6000 rpm rule so I guess i'm going to start cranking mine :)
Great video! I always wondered if modern tires and suspension upgrades would tame the lift-corner issues?
not much. it's physics. the first major upgrade Porsche introduced was to spec wider wheels & tires on the rear, where the weight over the axle that delivers thrust is greatest. decreasing turbo lag also helped drivers. finally, as turbocharged models hp continued to increase, they went to 4 WD on most of them to distribute traction to all corners, improving grip under lift-throttle yaw. early Porsche turbos were / are not forgiving of inexperienced drivers over their limits. the modification for that condition is to go to school.
This is easily my favourite car, with the BMW E24 coupe being a close second. If I ever get a substantial windfall, I will own both.
Hi Will, again a great video that shows me as a German 911 owner and enthusiast how much you US-guys love the brand and keep it up. In Germany sportscars in general get more and more unpopular pushed by "green-thinking" people. Would it be possible to get rid of these nasty rubber bumpers which at that time were only added for the US-market?
Luckily Porsche has come up with their own clean, green bio-fuel that you can use in any 911 new or old. So it's a good sign that they won't be going all-electric
My uncle had a 79 turbo and if your in the boost and turning ever so slightly, the car will switch direction on you really quick,but the 930's are awesome.
One of my dream cars... But prices are now silly... So i bought last year a 997.1 c2s black exterior and black interior, from my best mate, who had spent a lot of money on it, so totally knew its history! Fabulous car... Just an experience every time i drive it 👌. Always great to hear of passionate guys talking of their pride and joy cars 👍.
Hey, Will, another good video about a really special car. I sold my 1987, 930 Turbo about a year ago and now I regret doing so. This is a very special interesting Porsche. isn’t it read read everywhere I’ve never seen one like this before either
Anyway, just wanted to comment about this particular video the 930 and also that I’m trying to find another one so if you know of one that comes up, please let me know Steve
Hi Will - Wes Campbell here. Are you coming to the Magnus Walker event in Miami on Tuesday night?
Hey Wes. No, I’m not. Up in NC getting ready for the driving season 😄
fantastic car
510 you mention Martin Steiger. That HAS to be the guy from my area who owned and operated German Auto Haus in the 80s. My father sold cars for him and was friends with him. I hung out with his son derrick who is my age.
Yep, same guy. He wrenched on my 930 the first couple of years
Had 2 an other life ago in the 80"s and they where hard to control monsters but great fun.
Really enjoyed & needed this video badly as I’m considering purchasing a highly but very professionally built 911 turbo on steroids. Solely to be used as a track & time attack car.
Had initially settled on a Cayman GT4 Club Sport, probably the safer & wiser option being a mid engine layout?
But with the 911 turbo being 600lbs lighter than the GT4 & over 100 more hp at low boost, it makes more sense from a power to weight issue, especially considering its purpose as a track car.
The thought of driving an old school 911 turbo, especially on the track, scared the crap out of me with the lift off oversteer issue.
But then I thought, the smart way to tackle my fears would be to spend time in professional performance driving training courses run by Porsche specifically for track/circuit racing in the 911 turbo before taking it on the track on my own.
Then once I’ve got the hang of it & the confidence to take it further in the next step in competing.
Now, I’m more looking forward in learning & mastering a new skill in the art of driving a 911 Turbo fast on the track.
Beautiful
911 is unique especially when the rear-end brakes loose only in a 911 rear engined
930 Turbo and 992 GTS
My 2 dream cars
I think as long as you mind the rpm were the big turbo kicks in , you should be save , don't get surprised in a corner , feed it in nicely .
Yep
How dare you! Mine has only tried to kill me 3 times in 20+ years...
80+ mph, 50mph, and even 15 mph 😉😁
Mine looks just like that, except the black interior and the steering wheel on the right side (i.e., the correct side 😉)
I would think stickier tires would mitigate the problem in the curve.
I’ve owned a bunch of these - have a 79 930 no sunroof Minerva blue over cork 400hp, now just took on a 75 right hand drive turbo Carrera in Frazie over Blue going to fully restore it 😊 and I have to say I’ve died about 20 times watching and reading widowmaker videos 😂
How can this video have 624 views but only 70 couple likes. Come on people get yo likes sorted
Amen 😂
This is the real deal hand down 👍🏾
This car is not widowmaker. The only thing that's undisputable is that it's a classic, it's fast, and that's Johnny Silverhand's car
I love that car too.
love this dudes accent. 👍🏼
Ha! That's great to hear because it was my biggest worry doing this video, LOL.
Awesome car. Just keep in mind that a lot of Widowmaking happened back in the day because of crappy 1980s tires. With modern tires a lot of those issues get fixed automatically which is why it won't snap oversteer as much anymore.
Fantastic point and I have actually heard that before…but forgot it.
@@Rennthusiast Porsche began to introduce wider rear wheels & tires to address lift/trailing throttle oversteer in 911s beginning in '72 (pre-turbo, but increasing in hp) after other remedies proved inadequate (added weight to the frt bumper, increased wheelbase). Pirelli CN36s & P7s, Michelin XWX were good perf tires in their day. Porsche makes a big deal over what tires are acceptable on their cars.
I think the thing that made these scary is how bad tires of the Era were. Putting modern tires on these things dramatically improves things. Also the 4 speed and gearing. What sucks about the 930 is the price has probably passed the expectations. Back when these where 40 to 50k was the best time. Now at 100k or higher it's hard to no recommend a 996/7 turbo or a nice 991.2 because of how much higher porsche interiors and livability has become.
... I read somewhere that over 60% of them where wrecked going off the road ... backwards !!! Lift your foot off the gas in the middle of a turn ... a zip ... and you going backwards !!!
Not true, but every 2 years since inception some journalist comes along and writes a widowmaker article and make up a bunch of nonsense about these cars. I’ve owned dozens of these.
I’ve just begun looking for my first Porsche and I’m also considering a more vintage, air cooled car. Coincidentally, I’m also in NC over in Banner Elk.
The roads up there are the best.
Come drive mine. I'm in Davidson
@@octaviusharriss1732 I picked up an 82’ 911 SC in July and I’m loving it. In fact the weather was perfect today, so I drove it to the office and all over Boone and Banner Elk this evening.
US bumper laws honestly ruin the look of sports cars a lot
These guys are to complicated. Only fear about Porsche is to not trust it. Secret is ALWAYS LOOK WHERE YOU WANT TO GO not where you're at.
Awesome 😎😎😎😎🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾💯
You can't drive a 930 Turbo on modern tire compounds and say you have an accurate sense of its sketchiness. Your average all season today has 10x more grip.
Thank you for someone explaining the Mythology.
That’s the Porsche I would like to own and drive.
Beautiful 930, thanks for sharing. Don't care for window tinting on a classic Porsche but it's reversible so I forgive you.
The AC in this era of 911's is marginal and the heat in the south will really get to you. I was glad the tint enhanced the dark trim on the car.
I’m interested un seeing a video on the new cayman
This car is dangerous if you don’t know how to drive it. Not a good track car unless you know how to drive it. The problem is you need to spool up well before the apex. Don’t lift in a corner. Below boost its not very good.
A beautiful car.
I have my dad‘s old 19 7711 to see and then I have my 2006 caiman, speed yellow. I try to go easy on the shifting cause I know Louis gear linkage is hesitancy to go out but I’m gonna take your advice I’m gonna red line them all at proper 4000 ….💃🏻
When did you buy the Cayman?? No video??
I found the 964 Turbo quite benign and kinda sluggish actually.. Sold it to get my first Porsche back, a 964 C4 which I find much more entertaining to drive.
Few easy mods and 400hp wakes the car up and warp speed engaged.
Nice car. Red on red. Wow. Did I notice a new car in your garage? Looks like a bronco but maybe you have had it already. (You give your wife a space ;) Btw, nice start on the bat auction. My bet was $120k..
Thank you. I haven’t been watching the auction. Not even kidding, haven’t looked once. Just letting it unfold the way it does. I have heard snippets here and there from buddies and it’s going well, I understand. Letting Patrick (The Patina Group) do his thing with it.
what is the name of the road you ere speeding on.?
What year is chuck’s 930?
'87
Well, for the guy who was using it daily back then in a rainy country…. A regular way home with rain and tiredness on the motorway could be fatal!!!!! I believe…
3 quarts person thousand miles? Not mine ever!
no wonder he had the turbo "rebuilt" (bearing seals). typical consumption is a quart / 1000 mi. +/-. too many owners ran 'em hot & hard before engine reaching operating temp, & shutting 'em off while still glowing after very hot runs. "coking up the seals" was a happening thing in the '80s.
I hate the term "widowmaker" when applied to cars. It's an aviation term used to describe aircraft that would kill you often by just falling out of the sky because it stopped flying for an unknown reason. Unless it fell of jack stands while someone was working under it no car ever killed anyone. Incompetent driving for conditions kills people, not cars.
Only Porsche i love❤❤
WHAT YEAR IS IT? THAST WOULD BE A GOOD WAY TO START THE INTERVIEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1987
I wish I could prove that I could handle one.... I was born to drive but never got the chance to prove my skills due to having spine issues!
930. Yummy.
Would have loved to have seen your facial reaction when you stepped on it and the turbo kicked in.