What Porsche Owners DON'T LIKE About Porsche Ownership.
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- Porsche fanboys will hate this video because in it I'll tell you exactly what Porsche owners don't like about Porsche ownership. This information isn't made up...I collected it word for word from actual Porsche owners in their own language.
Here's the breakdown of exactly what Porsche owners don't like about Porsche ownership.
0:00 Start
0:30 How I found this info out
2:33 Reason #1: Financial Cost of Porsche Ownership
3:30 Reason #2 Psychological cost of Porsche ownership
6:57 Reason #3: Regret
8:21 Reason #4: Quality issues with Porsche
10:04 Reason #5: Porsche Community and Culture
12:12 Reason #6: What others think about Porsche
13:14 Reason #6: Miscellaneous reasons about what Porsche owners don't like about Porsche ownership - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I'm 72 years old and have been driving Porsches for 52 years. Got my 1st one when I worked at Road Atlanta and worked hard to pay for it myself. No Daddy's money. It was a 914-6. Fast little car. Shortly after I got my 1st 911 Carrera and I've owned 911's ever since. Drive one every day. I don't have them for the prestige. I live in N.E. GA and just love to drive them in the mountains. I could care less what anyone thinks ! I'm always courteous in traffic unlike some I've seen. Also, preventative maintenance is the way to keep repair costs at a minimum. Take CARE of your Porsches people. Service them on a regular basis. Treat them good and they'll treat you good ! HooAH ?
@sgttombailes- Right on! Agree totally
Nice post... on Blood Mountain all the time
Same! Hooah!
Enjoy it, OG! GA mountains are gorgeous
I wish I could work hard and buy a Porsche. But sadly that's not possible anymore without lottery or Dogecoin jumping to $5 or becoming a CEO of a small business... Aaaamerica.
I think that sometimes, when people park next to you, it’s because they don’t want door dings either…highly unlikely to get one from a Porsche owner!
I do that
Good point
@@SpartacusSFStop doing that..
@@blueberrycobblerConsider it mutual car protection.
Macan drivers don’t count
I've been an owner off and on since 1964. A 55 speedster. I learned at an early age about maintenance and hands on. Frequent oil changes, filters and valve adjusts were second nature and I grew to look forward to the maintenance sessions. I no longer have 356's too slow, drum brakes, 6V electrics etc. I was an A car fan. Now I have a 73S and a 67S 911s. Two similar looking but very different driving and mechanically. I still work on them and drive them a lot in season. I live in the northern rockies so our drive season is six to seven months. I've never had one newer than a 2.4S. They are fast enough, big disc brakes, 12V, heater that heats and sublime to drive. Basically with a screwdriver and a timing light I can keep them going. I love the maintenance and trouble shooting aspect. To me it's a fringe benefit to get your hands dirty. I probably would not like a newer one because I would lose that. Bottom line buy the shop manuals, get some education, you tube is a good resource, and dive in. To feel like a hostage to your car and worry about all the issues you bring up in the video would be a nonstarter. Oh, and I could care less what people think of the old fart driving his old cars.
I hate 911’s owners who talk bad about Cayman/Boxster. They literally share the same parts only difference is the engine is in the wrong place on a 911 😮
You might like this then: facebook.com/share/p/JH3WAACsrwnGB6aU/?mibextid=WC7FNe
718 = poor.
@@dannyhoward3437. That’s exactly the stereotype. I wanted an NA Porsche and as a first timer they did not have GT3 allocations for me. So yeah me 718 4.0 is sweet no regrets.
@@trigganometry168most 911 owners get shade from the 4L 😂
@@evorobin. I think it was more of a thing with the 986 generation. Where Boxster prices was well within reach for enthusiasts who maybe could not stretch to buy a 911. But with current prices it’s safe to say that a $100k 718 buyer could easily afford a 911.
I used to be in the BMW enthusiast group and it was cool and all that, but I got tired of the scene. I'm old now and I appreciate my rather solitary existence. No need to wear driving gloves anymore or the need to talk shop with club members. So I sold my M2 and purchased a 2023 Mustang GT 6 speed. It's nothing special and flies under the radar most days. I like driving still and hearing the big burly V8 soundtrack is a treat to me. These days, I'm just background noise and that's the way I like it.
The thing that i dislike the most about being a Porsche owner is that EVERYBODY wants to race me all of the time, It's annoying and I go out super early in the morning before the sun comes up to avoid the jerks.
Yeah I had this problem with my 997.2 CGTS, but when I got my 991.2 3RS anyone and everyone wants to race especially the skilless Tesla owners who can only drive in a straight line and anytime they have to take a turn they have a good chance of hitting the sidewalk
@@Vegas3RSPilotomg! Fugget about it! Anyone that has a slightly "sporty" car, it's men and women, in SUVs and the pickup trucks and my Cayman is silver, it doesn't scream attention, I don't want the attention, I don't do it to impress my friends, I have one because ever since I discovered Porsche, I wanted one.
Where I live, it is always Tesla's, and never the really fast ones, always a model 3. Also, the new corvettes always want to go. Other than that, I get left alone, there are enough exotics in my area that nobody really gives my 911 a second look. I've previously owned an Evo 8, and an M4. Those things were absolutely race magnets.
I get that too here in southern California fwy.
@@johnwhodat8135. Yes SoCal is crazy. I took my Cayman GTS after delivery to Angela’s Crest. The whole week in LA people wanted to race. I took out a RSQ8, two Model Y’s, Dodge charger scat, and first gen RS8. I can’t believe how fast the 4.0 is. RSQ8 put up the best fight and only pull ahead after 150
This is the year for me Will. Buying my first “Porsh”. Enjoying the channel and learning a lot.
I like how the comment about the 914 not being a “real Porsche” was followed immediately by one about snobbery.
The 914 just like the 924 were designed to be sold by Volkswagen. So, in that sense not a Porsche as initially designed. Became one by default. As such, accurate statement.
I had one in college it was my placeholder until I got a 911. I had so much fun in that car. I had no money no responsibilities and no worries. I’ve had 3 GT3s and I really miss that 914
I’d just add that after owning exclusively only Porsches and being part of this community since 2009 I’ve seen the best and the worst of car culture. The best part is true passion and traditionally egalitarian vibe from Porsches guys and gals. Rennsport events are terrific displays of Porsche history and culture. The worst part has been judgmental subculture that ends up fueling never ending debates of air vs water, manual vs PDK, slick top vs sunroof, and on and on. I’ve not found anything close to this at other gatherings of Ferrari and Aston enthusiasts. Having said that, I consider myself lucky and it’s been fun experience. I will say in the future I will likely be moving on to other cars. Main reason for this is that porsche no longer offers strong value and it no longer feels special. Sad but true.
I have a huge history with Porsche, racing the big tracks, owning the top models. But now I drive an AMG because I am older and want a little more space, bit softer ride. And I have to say that there are so many Porsches on the road here in the U.S. that they are almost commonplace. I still love Porsche, though.
During the approximate ten years of my "membership", I've also been disappointed with the judgmental subculture. Thankfully, it's usually proven comprised of only a minority of "highly vocal" members who have illustrated that their egalitarian vibe was actually just a thin veneer covering a thick base of fake magnanimity, defensiveness, and petty ego tripping. It's just unfortunate that their interactions have usually only served to prove the "few bad apples" metaphor resulting in such things as the cactus joke being perceived to apply to the entire community. And while that attitude can obviously be found in many other automotive communities, in our society that is constantly wanting wealth (enough to own a Porsche for example) automatically considered a sign of intelligence (and therefore also automatically deferred to), that the members I've been describing continue to actually believe they're proving what they "think" they're proving is evidence that simply isn't always the case.
been driving Porsches for 56 years. Strange you say Porsches are almost commonplace. Maybe you live in CA? I can drive around town here in western NY and not see another Porsche for a week.
Hey Craig - definately no offense intended: I still LOVE Porsches. But in the midwest, at least, I see 20 a day. The word commonplace may connote something that I am not trying to say - if someone has a Porsche they have done very, very well. These are extremely cool, very expensive and often hard to obtain cars. They are just super popular.@@craigerickson1910
About the 914-4, my first Porsche was '74 2.0 litre 914 and there was always someone claiming it was a VW bus engine and that there was this list of equivalent parts that allowed you to save money by buying the VW equivalent. I also owned a Westfalia, and worked on both myself (I could drop the engine in the 914 by myself in under 2 hours), and aside from the fuses I never found a single part that was common between the two. Today I have an aircooled 911, but I often spend time with the 'teeners at events because they are some of the most passionate Porsche owners out there and are a lot of fun to hang out with.
I had two 911's and then a 924S. None of them scratched the itch. I sold all of them and bought a JCW Mini Cooper. This one is my favorite by far.
biggest frustration for me as a DIY mechanic is the diagnostic costs/programming. coming from the BMW world, diagnostic tools are basically free. for 911s up to about 2011 you can DIY on these cars but you really can't get into diagnosing/programming unless you're willing to step up to the exorbitant costs of PIWIS! sorry just ranting here for now I'm getting by with Durametric Enthusiast and Icarsoft.
Any recommendations for a good diagnostic tool for a 993 c2 ?
This is good to know. I do all the work on my cars as well. I am in the market for a 991 or a 997 and this may sway me to the latter. Thanks!
Great video. Nice that you bring the not so nice aspects of a Porsche under the light. For me it is the costs. I have a 997.1 4S and I own it for nine years. I bought it with around 70.000 miles and now it has done around 180.000 miles. In those nine years I have put twice the amount in maintenance in regard to what I bought it for. To be fair, this includes an engine rebuild, suspension overhaul and full new exhaust. I love my car, hence the mileage I put on it, and therefore I forgive it for the costs. This is simply a matter of heart over mind.
I'm in the market for the exact same car and millage you got your at. Thanks for the heads up.
Ahaa. I have to say that I am meticulous when it comes to keeping the car in a healthy state. Like for many (or all) of us, it is not just a car. It is a hobby and hobby’s always cost you money. I love my car and use it as it was intended. I take it to go skiing, which with a 4S is great fun. Then I go at least two times a year on a road-trip in the alps. It is at those occasions you forget the costs and you just enjoy the car. I hope I haven’t put you off buying one. Take care, mate 😃👍@@satisfyingbuzz332
Maybe you are right. But I like my car. Hence I have it for nine years. Residual value is no issue for me. I am keeping it till I can’t drive no more 😁@@ThePipimonster
Cylinder bore scoring issue mandate the engine overhaul?
@keepyourbilsteins yes
I've owned 3 911s, a Macan and Cayenne. Other than the looks, once they are out of warranty, there is not much I like about owning one. Every one I have has been a money pit--and the costs started piling up about 7-8 years after the manufacture date. I had a Toyota 4 runner that I had for 8 years and never needed repair--in-warranty or afterward.
Will, would agree with these comments. Costs are high, shops for air cooled are limited and timeframes for repairs can be long. Ownership has been good for practicing patience. And they are a lot of fun to drive.
One thing that wasn't brought up, is the classes within most Porsche clubs, 911 rs owners, 911 owners, cayman/Boxster owners and then the rest. Each has a tier. I remember getting denied entry to a show (in a gt4) because they were waiting for more 911 owners to show up. They never did 😂 the show was half empty and my car was on the street a mile down.
My Porsche journey started when my uncle taught me how to drive a manual in his ‘84 944. Drove that on and off for a few summers, went to college, graduated 2 years ago, and have moved into my first real job. Felt the need to scratch the Porsche itch and ended up getting a 986 Boxster that I am slowly turning into a track car.
I really want my next Porsche to be a GT3, but the Ferrari-esque exclusivity of the brand is becoming a huge turn off. I don’t want to have to buy a 3 Taycans, 2 Macans, and a handful of 911’s before the dealer maybe considers me for something cool. Living in the Bay Area, CA, I don’t have anywhere close to the amount of money needed to get close to the top of their lists. Also, what if I move? Gotta start that whole relationship building process over again at the new local dealer.
I really hope they can figure out their supply chain, ordering system, allocation system, something, so that people who want to purchase a GT car can without having to jump through hoops and waste money on cars they don’t want.
this was so crazy to learn about.. just never tried to special order, so I didn't even know it was a thing!
Such a well done video, really your whole channel. Look forward to the next one.
Always enjoy the down to earth content of your channel. I appreciate the work you must put into it. Thanks
Well done video Will. Lots of interesting topics here. I have two classics. Both procured from enthusiast PCA members. You covered this before but this fact has meant little issues in my end. Likely some to come but so far so good.
You hit the nail right on the head with parking lots. ANY sort of decent, well maintained car. Park in the middle of a deserted parking lot and you can pretty well guarantee there'll be another car alongside when you come back. It doesn't matter where you are, it's a constant anywhere in the world.
Well done and spot on, Will. Thanks for sharing your perspective.
Great video. I appreciate your non biased approached
Great video. I get mixed reactions with two of my cars. I've had my 1970 Corvette for 53 years and my 87 930 for 12 years. I've been a member of PCA for around 38 years, as this is not my first Porsche. The reaction I get when I take my Guards Red 930 to a small town cruise in is basically that it is ignored. My Corvette convertible is always fawned over at those events. Most Porsche owners are great with the Corvette but there are occasional ones who make it clear that they don't understand why I have the Corvette and are snobbish about it. Fortunately they are the rare ones. The Corvette is a great car for top down cruising and enjoying the night air of the Spring and Fall months. The Porsche is just a trip to drive. I'm in my late 70s now and really don't look forward to my right knee giving out. There's too much fun to be had.
I have a C7 Corvette with a manual. There is no place I can go that I don't have people constantly coming up to me about the Corvette. Everyone loves it. The Porsche is just blah.. I thought about buying one, but it would have to be a manual , and from what I've heard, the manuals gearing sucks. Way to long to enjoy high revs. I'd have to give up the Corvette to get a Porsche and and it just doesn't make sense to do that.
As a 911 owner, I would also love to have a Corvette. I think they're awesome cars for a totally different reason.
That is another thing I love about my 911. Nobody pays much attention to it. Great! I do get the racer boys on the back roads though. Just today I caught up to a Camry on a twisty road and the driver went nuts trying to "beat the Porsh":) I back off because I do not want to push someone with unknown driving skills into having a bad accident just because they had to beat the Porsche. BTW I have a friend with one of the new mid engined Corvettes and it is pretty cool for sure.
My biggest issue is finding a reputable mechanic that doesn’t charge Porsche tax because it’s a Porsche. While it’s a sports car many of these models are not super cars or luxury cars with exotic parts. Coming from BMW I was shocked at what basic maintenance costs for Porsche considering what job is being done. A good example is an oil change
Also don’t like how much Porsche ppl claim Porsches are bullet proof yet each model has some known catastrophic issue that is expensive to fix. Everyone I know locally has had some sort of issue or engine replacement.
Will, you and Chris Harris produce my favorite Porsche CZcams videos. I love what you do!
What a great honor that you put me in the same category. Thank you for watching and for the support.
Will, a great video it does bring out all of the ideas about Porsche ownership that I have heard and thought about.
I do at times find myself getting tired of working on my 1974, 911. I found out I was the sixth owner of the car. I’ve had the engine and the transmission rebuilt and I’m still doing maintenance on the car and replacing many worn out parts on the car, and yes I’m getting tired of spending money.
Enjoyed this video, Will. Can relate to comments expressed in your poll with people I know. But overall, the group of owners I've met seem interested in the vehicles others have, whether they're being restored, vintage, new to them, and most of all, being driven. I know the "S" versions of my car (2009 base Boxster, 140,000 kms, 6 Spd), compared to mine, are much quicker, better planted suspension & braking from experience on corporate track days, but for the twisties I drive on public country roads & touring, my car is very capable and enjoyable. Is it a "grail" car to most? NOPE! But "grail" enough for me.
It's old school FUN, analogue mechanical input feel, hydraulic steering, terrific non speaker created natural engine sound, balanced, reliable, reasonable maintenance costs with certified indy Porsche shop locally when needed, so the financial stress of ownership is not significant, especially in light of the cost of newer offerings. While I enjoy looking at all the Porsche models our group has, mine is a keeper to me. That's the beauty of the brand-touring cars, vintage, classic, show cars, new iterations of the GT cars. And the community that owns them is a positive in my experience. Cheers
Good comments. Every time I drive my 911 Carrera it puts a smile on my face. Nothing else like it. Biggest complaint is high labor cost at dealers, and the list of checks that accompany a service, resulting in a $500 oil change.
Yes new video! Was a bit longer wait this time, but still great job Will, looking forward to more Porsche content from you 💪
Took a little time off but back at it. Next video will be a preview of what’s to come. I have some interesting topics to cover.
@@Rennthusiast I totally get you, I also took little time to relax after new year, since I was working my ass off in November and December.
Also I didn’t know your background is psychology and culture building companies, sound really interesting. Do you enjoy it?
I appreciate that you're not just pretending to be nice-you're genuinely honest, and give it straight to everyone, good job. By the way, I'm looking to buy a Porsche and have a few questions about all the tech stuff such as lane departure, object detection and brake assist, like Mercedes have, can you do a video about that if possible ?
I try to be as transparent and direct as possible 😄
You got me with the parking….
What is pretty sad in my opinion is owners who don‘t drive the cars because of the mileage. I own a 996 GT3 and drive it whenever it is possible. My Porsche guy also told me, that you will have less damage on the car by driving it regularly. But when I see a 964 with 20k miles…what is the point?
Friend of mine sent me a few pics of Porsche cars being displayed at Amelia this weekend. Beautiful...but unusable. Too nice.
Great idea for a video. The thing I did not like about my 997.1 C2 Stick was every time it made a strange sound I felt anxious that it was going to be another $5,000.00 charge or worse. A case of too much knowledge and experience. I finally sold it because I wanted a 997.2 stick. I’d already replaced the water pump, alternator, brakes, trim pieces, tires, modules, windshield. Next was shocks, control arms, clutch and possibly ac fan motor. I could see another 10-15k in front of me and so I bailed. I had expense fear fatigue.
I have had a Cayenne for the last 6 years and it is without doubt the best car I have ever owned, still saving hard for a 911 second car
have an alpine white e36 m3 but looking to get a 2002 carrera 4s. I live local near n church st so I’ve seen you in the neighborhood. Enjoying the content
Will ... great ideas on upcoming content/videos, looking forward to them !
The 911 has a history and no shortage of customers. I’m a Mazda MX5 (Miata) owner and we have all kinds of interesting people in our community. I always look at 911’s, old and new because they are timeless. I see them often up my local mountain roads here in Los Angeles but most of the canyon carvers are the smaller affordable rear wheel drive Japanese cars followed by BMW’s. Not too many American V8’s. People drive what they can joyfully afford.
I even loved the bore scoring, but only because I could kinda afford to fix it and I went for a major upgrade as part of the rebuild. >500bhp and torque everywhere.
I’m pretty smitten now.
After 22 years and 7 Porsches (owned every one but the electric), I sold my last 911. Porsche has lost its mystique for me. The cost from the dealer is almost insulting. My last 911 Cab with only 10K on the clock, lost its PCM. Couldn’t be fixed and the replacement cost was insulting. Now anyone who owns a 911 knows the expense will be significant. But it does reach a saturation point. Will I buy another one…..not likely. However, the one I really miss is 1999 911 C4; contrary to popular opinion those are great cars and certainly had character.
I drove them for 30 years myself and at the end I just fell out of love. Last one was a 997 Cab S - nice car, still not too big, felt light and nimble. I was in the dealership ready to order a 991 in 2015 and as I sat there in the car in the showroom I realized the spark was gone. Too many years of expensive dealers, high parts price for everything, and dilution of the brand with more SUV's than sports cars and too many lesser sports cars than the 911. I ended up ordering/buying an Audi R8 - one of the very last of the gen 1 cars produced. I still have the R8 and I am still deeply in love. Of all the 911's I owned, the one I miss the most is the 1983 SC Cabrio....maybe someday if the right one appears in front of me in a moment of weakness I'll take another bite...
Nice to see another 996 bro who saw through the FUD and appreciated them for what great little cars they are 👍! I had 99 C2 that I daily drove for prob 15 yrs and another 4yrs as a weekender until it was lost in a flash flood at my house and it was the perfect mostly care-free ownership experience (yeah stuff broke but the 99's seemed to avoid the worst of the catastrophic issues). Last year I finally bought my personal 'grail car' 991 turbo s and it is pretty amazing, capable and so much more advanced, but while I'm still under CPO the repair expenses are already giving me some concern about my willingness to shoulder that burden long-term. I mean I hope I can get is fully sorted and just enjoy the car but it is just a very different level in terms of potential expense than my 996. The video that @Rennthusiast did on the yellow 993:996 comparison really nailed it and there's a lot to be said for a car you can just drive and not worry about affecting its value because it has so little! Kinda makes me want to pick up an old unloved boxster or cayman for street parking, the airport ,etc.
@@kwebmail2007 I picked up a 2015 911-991.1 cab with a manual (never seen a 911 so sparsely optioned) coming off a two year lease with less than 6K on the clock. Wasn’t cheap and I traded in my 99C4(big mistake). The 991 was an impressive car, all the cheap plastics of the 99 were gone and much more refined. Didn’t take long before I realized that 991 just did not have the character of the 996. Just sold the 991 as the none engine and drive train electrical components began to fail. Now I have Lexus that is almost perfect and will run to 200K with just oil changes, but it just does not have the panache of a 911. Just a matter of one’s priorities and the compromises.
I love this comment. The 1999 996 is my all-time favorite Porsche. They are modern enough to be super fun and reliable, but they're old enough that they don't have all of the electrical problems. I've owned my '99 996 for almost 8 years and have loved it. I just rolled past 150k miles on the odometer. I have zero plans to sell it or "upgrade" it.
The first 911 I drove was at Lime Rock when Skip Barber owned the track . After the first lap I knew I would own one. When I took the 2 day driving course in Birmingham I ordered my 2011 997 911 GTS AND Loved it for 6 great years. My problem was that you can’t really drive a 911 in New Jersey and have fun legally or safely. So I bought a Macan turbo in 2016 & still love it. I think that the Porsche service is way to high and don’t enjoy being screwed. Also most Porsche owners that I have met are real AH’s who are pompous jerks looking for a status symbol and don’t appreciate the car.
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Great video. Only dislike would be the stress associated with an older vehicle and things happening outside your control. That's part of owning an aircooled though so you gotta pay to play.
At age 83 I’m down to 2 Porsches, a 1963 356coupe I’ve owned for 59 years and a 2015 991.1 C4S. Over the years I’ve owned 2 Speedsters, 914, 911SC, 911 Carrera 3.2, 928, Boxsters and loved them all. Worked on them all, but not the 991.
I'm 72 and looking hard at the 991.1. Have to have the PDK because of hip issues.
It's between the 997.2 or 991.1 coupe.
Opinion?
Entertaining video:) I bought my one and only Porsche, a 2017 911 C2s, and just love the car. I think my wife was trying to get me off sport bikes and into a sports car and eventually that is what happened. Love driving the car and love the heritage and just the way the car looks. Most fun is road trips with my wife. So fun! Not a fan of car gatherings and such, but to each his own. My only bad experience was when the dealer I bought the car from tried to hit me up for a $9,000 charge for the 6 year service. I passed on that one! Car had less than 20K miles and at that moment I felt like that dealership was just trying to gouge money from customers. That is the one and only thing I do not like about owning a Porsche. This dealership was owned by AutoNation so maybe that was a factor. Took the car to a good independent shop and of course the car did not need anything close to 9K of service work. So that dealer experience made me feel like they were looking at customers as marks to be exploited rather than customers to be respected. I have since moved and tried the local dealership and so far so good, so it could just be the place where I bought my car.
I have a 981 Boxster and I love it. I had a 987.2 previously and liked it. Drove it for 4 years but enjoy the 981 much better. I will say that those who own a more expensive model have traditionally been very snobish toward me and look down on me.
I’ve had several, mostly 80s, my daily is a 997.2 4s pdk cab. Solid machine, it’s nice having one with some extras, but I had good luck with all. I maintain my own and they cost very little besides tires, brakes, basic stuff.
Thanks for your content! One request: please turn down the music more when you are speaking.
As someone who grew up driving classic English sports cars I considered stepping up to the ultimate brand, but decided all I really needed was the top to go down so backed off a lot and got an old corvette, which at the end of the day , is just an old chevy and nothing to get too worked up about . I also wanted the ease and affordability of sourcing parts in my native market, although it still requires a specialized garage. I enjoy the torque, and it is kind of pretty . Porsche social baggage is lightweight compared to the corvette brand
Well done Will!!
Thanks for this topic over here on the West Coast. There’s only two things that I don’t like about air cool vehicles but I’m used to it which is the first one. Oil leaks. And the second one is I don’t have my name on the pink slip of your blue Porsche, that's I'm mad about . I love your blue 911!😂😂😂😂😂Thank you your Subsciber on the West Coast !!
Got my first porsche in January this year its a 1998 996 absolutely love it fun to drive with no driving aids
Those are my favorite! I've been daily driving my '99 for almost 8 years.
Good video. You bring up a lot of the typical commentary. People who buy the badge bore me, and they’re the same type of people who assume I all I can afford is the hated one. I prefer to spend my time with the people who just enjoy driving them😊
Amen! I daily drive my 996 and just rolled over 150k miles! Luckily for me the 996 has always been my favorite so I lucked out.
@@corychecketts kudos to you! I daily mine and I'm only at 106k at the moment :)
Just turned 90000 on my 996 yesterday ! I hate the anxiety of breakdown holding me at 97.3% of pure bliss.
@@snapseven2323 learning to let go can be a valuable life lesson 🙂
@996Revival It's beautiful out....I'm blaming you if my IMS goes today ;)
My first Porsche, in 1972, was a 914, and I think I had more fun in that little car than all the 911’s, Boxsters, and other makes since then.
I’m a fine watch enthusiast/collector and it’s pretty much the same comments!
Great show mate some people just don’t get why we love Porsche,s where can I get one of those Porsche emblems behind you?
The company that made it actually went out of business unfortunately. I get tons of questions about it.
First owner here, with a 992. The ADM thing was a turn off but most of it went away when the finance paperwork was being done. I’ve had some weird stuff come up on my Autel scanner that I’m guessing was water on a sensor from washing the car. If I had to point something out as distasteful it would be the cost of branded gear like a car cover, or the aftermarket stuff like a tune. I’ve had 4 cars tuned and the most expensive was around $1200. Not sure why this car commands $2500 for the tuning software. These are canned tunes, not dyno tuning. That said; I see why people buy these cars. They are fun to drive and feel well refined as far as where everything is located and how well it works as a driver. The community so far has been good. Local PCA folks have been nice and they have a lot of drives and meets. I own a couple of other sports cars and this group seems tighter than the others. Maybe because they are there for the cars, and not other reasons.
Yeah, The anxieties and difficulting finding people to fix them. My 993 has been in the shop since June, primarily to get a transmission leak addressed. The transmission came back twice making noise and the third time popping out of second. Note, there was no issues with the transmission and was rebuilt to address a leak (at 177k). They offered me a different rebuilt, but I declined, sent my original transmision to Rothsport Racing in Oregon and hoping they can get it sorted for me. Ugh. I am jonesen so bad to get it back. At least I have the 992.
1. Yes, lucky to have a back up. 2. You’re in good hands with Rothsport. 3. The big repairs on these cars suck….😟😵💫😂
He is one of the best. The guy has forgotten more about Porsches than most guys will ever know.
@@kevinbodman1011Yes, I think I am lucky I got him to take it in and confident that when I get it back, it will be put back together correctly and I can put another 177k on it.
Must have been a really bad leak to warrant such a cost. I would have been tempted to check and top up regularly, and park over cardboard !
@@roxximusik8958No, I just don't like my 993 to leak and otherwise doesn't. I expected it to be a slam dunk. I have a stone driveway at our vacation house, so a leaking car is not really an option.
I got my first 911 in 1977 (a ‘72 911T Targa), and I still have it. I’ve disassembled the car and stripped it to bare metal for repainting -TWICE. There is quality built into Porsches in ways you have to work on it for three days just to see.
The opinion of others is never a good reason to own a Porsche. Porsches are frequently purchased by insecure poseurs who think their possessions will make them respected: their cars are usually sold at a loss, to wiser owners, when they discover they have failed.
I do all my own maintenance, on my three 911’s and four Boxsters, and my several other cars. The newer ones are no more difficult to maintain than any other make of the same year. Parts availability is excellent for Porsche in general, especially older cars. You think it’s hard to find a replacement fender for an air cooled 911, try finding a body panel for a Lotus Elan 1600.
Which air cooled do you regret selling the most. I really loved your 964. Nice video btw.
Polar silver 993. Thank you!
@@RennthusiastYeah, I was surprised you let that one go. But the new one is a beauty too.
I’m he only owner of a 993C4Sand the more expensive repair was about 2.6k for a lower gasket which I redid a couple of years ago myself, used to track it when new , great experience i n driving feeling have no complaints, stopped going to the dealer for service after my 1st oil change
Yes, they’re expensive to maintain, but no one forced me to buy it, and I want it bullet proof when I run it through the back roads. The only thing I don’t like is parking it in public. I rarely park it on the street and I would never give it to a valet.
yes, I have Farris Buehler's Day off nightmares!
Know what you mean !
I am fortunate to own three Porsches (two actually running). They are (in my opinion) great cars/SUV. The problem I have (and this applies to my friend with a ZL1 1LE, and his son with his own SLOWMARO?) is other people on the road. For some reason, when I drive my GT3 (manual) people just can't seem to be able to just leave you alone. They tailgate, refuse to get out of the fast lane, want to race you, want to park near you even when you park your car waaaay out in the boonies (this drives me nutso), and even give you the finger (for no reason). My friends and I used to take the cars for a drive on Sunday mornings. For various reasons this has fallen by the wayside. But when I asked my friend and his son why they don't drive them that much anymore, they said the same thing. Other people on the road are so obnoxious take the fun out of it. Sadly, we all have at least thought about selling our rides for this reason. Maybe a move to Alaska...?
we can divide the topic to classic owners and modern owners of Porsche, because classic (same goes for any classic off course) is different and tends to be higher than modern ones for many reasons: one - durability of parts, other is modern cars has much less maintenance and less fuel consumption as technology advanced.
I owned short term Macan for almost 3 years 2013 - 2016 didn't spend extra on the warrenty 2 years back then and only went on 50K no issues. only visited 3 times the dealer for regular maintenance as it was built tough. now with a GT4 2020, more than 4 years now reaching 45K millage 3 times serviced and paid almost $2000 on major service that interval of every 4 years.+ i use it rarely racing on local track.
Great topic
As a young owner, even with a car as obtainable as a 986 boxster, I still get all kinds of hell from everyone. I love the car but have gotten to the point I don’t like sharing what I drive with non enthusiasts.
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What a great video love the way you keep it real these videos are making me want to save and buy one. Even more What we have to remember these are dreams cars so if you own them your living the dream even with the problems what we have to remember any car can give you big bills if it’s not been looked after and if it’s getting older you still have to look after it more your buying it when it’s lost money so now you have to spend to keep it on the road if you want less risk of problems then l would say buy new but who can buy one new not me so we buy cheap at a cost of higher repair bills remember this it’s a dream car you don’t see every day? Also I see 911 for £20.000 £25,000 would you say buy one or spend more also what’s the best model Porsche,you would say to buy for that kind of money? what would be the cut off point where you would say don’t buy it just keep saving a video on this would be great because some people think an £10,000 911 will be a good car l can’t see that but maybe l am
Wrong thanks again for a great video 👏🏽👍🏽👊🏽
When you drive a Porsche especially during Winter you get quite some attention.
Sometimes I wish I could fly a bit more under the radar and just drive my car.
I've found that keeping my 911 a little dirty on the outside helps it blend in. Plus I don't worry about getting it dirty.
Where you can buy the illuminated sign in the background ?
Same. It’s so cool!
Maintenance costs for my 2006 997 C2S are negligible. Preventive maintenance is the key. When I was a little kid I liked 911’s, Jensen Healeys and the Ford Capri. It wasn’t a mid-life crisis when I bought my 911, it was when I could afford it. It’s a beautiful machine, so people do look and comment, overwhelmingly positive, but a few snarky.
Well done!
Generally, people who comment online are unhappy about something. That leaves out people like me, with an '09 911 C4S and a '16 911 C2S. No problems other than very small easily repaired stuff, little unexpected or exhorbitant expenses. I don't deny that Porsche will empty one's wallet if given the chance, but I know plenty of owners with good experiences like mine.
I loved the comment about oil leaks. It's German dude, no matter the brand. My GTI, your Porsche, same difference. Doug DeMuro explained his cost of ownership when he bought his Carrera GT. Nathan Merz explains it perfectly. Due diligence pays off but know the potential costs. One of your best Will.
Thanks so much for the support
I was looking thru the owners manual of my Cayman GTS. I was looking for the amount of oil required for a
I was unable to fin d that information but did learn that it was inadivsible to drink the battery acid
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I owned the sometimes-hated 996 version of the 911 Turbo for a bit more than one year. I'm a pretty serious knuckle buster, so I replaced the turbos with higher boost models, did a remap, and had a fabricator buddy make me an x-pipe exhaust with 100 cpi cats that I imported from Germany. It was very quick, handled well and was obviously made with high quality materials. But it had no soul, no personality. Fast, but boring. Now I have a Noble M400. Not for everyone, not made with high quality materials, but perfect for me. I've been modifying it to my liking for more than 10 years.
9:50 - On my second Porsche. 997.1S. 90K miles (I bought it with 42K). I track it and this comment hasn't been true in my experience. Even this "vanilla" model is super fun on track. On normal roads it makes me smile.
Re: the culture…that’s everywhere and common in every hobby. Ever walk into a Harley dealership? I loved the bike, but didn’t mix well with many in the community. It’s not always just about the bike (or the car) so it seems.
I've had A71 and 75 and a 96. They're very labor-intensive cars. The people that work on them charge lots of money because they know that you have money to pay them.do not takchances with them when they're driving. Because they're inherent fish tailing problem. They're really made for people that have a lot of money and are not practical and they're very small. I'm larger than average well over 6 feet tall.
Great video, very entertaining. For folks who stereotype owners plz visit a PCA event. By far most Porsche owners are hardworking, responsible, enthusiastic car people, full stop. We luv all Porsches, i.e.. 914’s, 996’s, 944s, 928s, 992s, Macans, etc. We also have tremendous respect for those young folks, poor as a church mouse, who scrimp and save to work on their older, affordable, wonderful cars.
1982 911 SC is in GP white and don't like the attention it brings. I am not a social person. I would never join a club or do cars and coffee. Twice already filling gas was asked it they could take pictures. I'm thinking just go online and download them. This is why I cannot wait to move to Wyoming. Low population sounds really appealing.
Mostly owning a sportscar and devoting time to it is just positive. It is true that the Porsche community has many kind of people and most of them are ok but sometimes you meet someone who thinks and views life in such a different manner that you just want to walk away. Most often these people are loaded with money. However, majority of the “rich” are ok or even great people. But sometimes you get the feeling that the money has come too easily or its been just inherited and you get this along the nose look.
One thing is that while Porsches are great cars I really think they are in some ways way overvalued by reputation. i dont think the engineering is that super great. It is good but if you compare a Cosworth design and a Porsche design, Cossy wins hands down. There are so many Isak’s church solutions in the Porsche engines and sometimes - like block castings in water cooled - are just simply poor quality.
Then again I dont think there is another car that gives more Fahrspass. Never driven a Caterham though. A PC friend of mine says that: “The world just looks a better place from behind the Porsche steering wheel.” It is true but why? I think it is a multifaceted observation: ease of driving, feeling free, the sensation of motion, knowing a liitle boy’s dream has become true, having special, twosome time with someone dear, waiting the vapor from the coffee mug, sitting on a warm cliff by the sea after a nice road. Driving a Porsche you can leave all your troubles behind for a while.
A terrific post, but I tend to do some chin-stroking at your mention of 'ease of driving', It's precisely because my old manual Boxster is SO demanding to drive well, that I love and respect her quite so much. The latest cars offer little by way of challenge and interaction, especially the mobile dishwasher variety.
('Fahrspass' - that's a nice one.)
@@roxximusik8958 Maybe I should emphasize that the ease of driving I was referring to is the feel of lightness driving spirited on a B-road but not going like 100%, more like 80-85%.
At 80% and all the sports Porsches feel so light footed, easy and accurate. At 80% you get the sensation of speed already but you have plenty of margin to real challenges. Guess Im driving like a chicken these days. You have the feeling of freedom and flow but there is no adrenaline stress yet, your passenger won’t scream and complain and when you stop for a coffee your fingers won’t shake from aft fear. That is one thing I dont like about track driving. The stress coming from inside - “Can I do it a bit faster next time, a bit closer to the Armco, a bit more over the kerb, brakes just a little later.” It can be satisfying though but it is stressful because you are never happy of your speed when you go after it. You just demand more and more from yourself. Always at track at some point I ask myself do I really want this? And ultimately track driving is a young man’s game and Im over 60. I prefer the B-roads, feeling of freedom yet advancing efficiently, enjoying life.
Anyway, in an intimate sports Porsche you can spend some real quality time, enjoying life, blue sky, wind, road, sceneries and having the feeling of going somewhere efficiently, sensation of motion. If I died tomorrow, I’d like to go for a really long drive today with someone close. It just does not get better. It is not just the car but everything about that experience, there is true value in it, something very honest, plain and easy. I believe other cars that can give you that same sensation are like Lotus, Alpine, maybe even a Miata, S2000. Golf GTi MkI - something light, small, agile yet not masochist and something that gives you the feeling of being completely on control of your life.
@@juhakivekas2175 Yeah, I have to say that I agree with your sentiments. My car's previous owner had carried out some quite serious mods in order to maximise its track potential, and had even driven it to the Nurburgring and back. (I was surprised that he had retained the semi-electric leather seats. Nice but 20 kg each. They're now in my garage.)
So I had to row things back a little to stop it jumping around on our gnarly old country roads by changing the springs and geometry.
But, for some, that's what makes Porsche ownership fun and a bit special, doesn't it ? After all, Ferdy himself had to build the car he really wanted.
My 24 911 gts 4 finally will be delivered to me this coming june!
After waiting a year and a half!! 😎
And the best part is I purposely never test drove one!
I currently own a 23 Macan GTS’ and because I love how much fun it is to drive the Macan! I can only imagine what the 911 GTS must feel like! 😎🙌🏽🚙💨
As a classic Land Rover owner/addict, most of these ring true for me as well.
When I reflect, I certainly did not like it going into the shop so much and I couldn't keep up with the repairs (955) but being sized up by predatory felines was the worst. When the car was running well it was sheer joy.
I have been a Porsche owner since 1973. A 914-4 and then in 1987 a 911 Carrera cabriolet which I still drive and which looks like new. Maintain it well, drive it often, park it at the farthest corner of the lot. It is much less expensive than a golf membership. Would you rather drive a Porsche or devote your spare time to trying to knock a little ball into a little hole.
Amen. Some join country clubs. I lose my money on cars 😄😂
Had my first Porsche 914, at 16, thought I was going to pick up chicks😂, what I found was a great mechanic and a group of Great people that I learned from. Now 61, still have my 86, 944 turbo ( 34 years) and my 04, c4s…. Drive and enjoy. Porsche factory tour and the amount of respect I received was incredible. Join the PCA and be connected.
I'm hoping to buy a 997.2 or a 991.1. Do you recommend joining the PCA to get a bead on one of those? I'm so apprehensive about sourcing a good car
@@thomashelm6931 I would, I would also look at cars for sale in the PCA magazine you will get every month. I’m looking for a 356, so I joined their registry. Best of luck 👍
I have an ‘18 Carrera still under warranty. It’s been to the dealer twice for a PDK issue. Under certain circumstances, the transmission won’t shift into 6th or 7th gear while in “normal” mode or 5th, 6th or 7th in “sport” mode. The first visit resulted in a re-flash of the software which is hard to tell if it worked because it’s still doing it, but longer interval between events. I waited a month to get the car into the dealership for its 2nd PDK visit. It’s been two weeks and my car is still there. My biggest fear is major failure and major expense…
That’s infuriating. I have a video on the horizon that I called something along the lines of “Why Do We Keep Buying These Cars??? (Yet We Do 😄)”
I polled my FB followers to see what they think. Interesting insights.
@@Rennthusiast❤
I don’t understand any of this.
I just got my new 911S 992. I gave porsche my configuration. They ordered it then about a year later I received the car. I then went in paid the money. I haven’t had any problems with so far (fingers crossed).
It’s a beautiful car and it is probably the most interesting and the best performance car I have ever driven. People questioning the engineering of a 992 is really foreign to me. It’s easily the best performance car I have ever driven.
Nickle and diming for things that should come as standard (parking sensors - which you get for free on much cheaper cars), not looking at customer identified problems whilst the car is under warranty and then finding them after the warranty has run out (happened to me) - Porsche tax for servicing.
I’ve had several . Love the brand. Well built and a fun. I dont this too seriously - it is a car after all and not much more than that.
I'm not a Porsche owner, just a huge admirer and fan of the whole rear bais weight thing. What sticks out to me with Porsche and their owners is it comes across like a bit of a cult, this doesn't mean 90% of the people who really love Porsches aren't wonderful people, but there are a lot of culty people who just heard it was cool, want it for the clout i guess, similar problem with Corvettes and similarly the actual fans are cool but its hard to get over the stereotypes with either. If you can though just proves you have backbone.
Having been a 911 owner for ten years and having been working in a Porsche recommended bodyshop for ten years who also deals with the OPC every day it’s shocking to see people who can afford to buy their Porsche but bulk at the idea of maintaining it properly and think it should cost the same to maintain as a family hatch back and then criticise their dealers but have no understanding the costs of running a dealership, training , tooling etc etc , the amount of training I do each year at Porsche GB costs money and every member of staff I work with spends time to be fully trained on the products, every car that has been released in the last ten years I have been fully ready to deal with it when it’s released in my role as a Vehicle damage assessor
Nothing wrong with Porsche dealers making money and also for all involved to make a good living. Agree with you 100%.
In my view a lot of the overpaying problems might be caused by service writers either not knowing what needs to really happen - and not happen - with a repair and then others who just want to sell services to make commissions.
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I purchased remotely and there was some stuff I did not know to ask beforehand as you think it is pretty standard fair when selling a car. For reference mine is a 2016 so pretty new to be having missing items. First, I only got 1 key and new ones will run $600+ plus possible long wait times. Owner's manual is normal to have? Mine did not come with one. Paint issues? Owner and PPI did not cover either of these. Once everything was clear and I fly 1,200 miles with a cashier's check in hand, it is hard to say no to a car that you negotiated down in price to do it more...plus it is hard to change a Cashier's Check.
Effective remote purchasing is almost an art that if you don’t do right always hurts later.
A Porsche is a bigger dude magnet than babe magnet hands down.
I’m just sad that the best all around Porsche isn’t made anymore.(944/968) The car had great handling and somewhat practicality. It was affordable for driving enthusiasts who didn’t give a whit about image. It was often said that with equal power it was superior to the 911. However, I’m glad that all the other models exist even if I don’t own one.
I'm a shelby Daytona owner but my gripe would be why Noone builds a 917k kit you can have a 20 million dollar experience for 100k.
People definitely have a lot of opinions about Porsches. At the end of the day as a Porsche owner, you should own it b/c you want it for yourself. Who cares what anyone else thinks?
I can only speak for myself, but I went into ownership knowing a lot of these issues you have pointed out. IE - I expected maintenance. I expect people will either be cool and genuinely interested in the cars, or they will be someone I wouldn't want to spend time with b/c of (insert reason why here - there are plenty of potential reasons).
All manufacturers have good and bad apples in the owner culture. I will say that more often than not the people I have met personally in the Porsche community have been friendly, which I do think is somewhat rare. It's more than I can say for some other manufacturers. IE - The Ferrari crowd is generally the opposite I feel. (My personal experience. I'm sure there are people that will say otherwise.) The people that aren't people I want to spend time with are some of the ones you pointed out in your other video (7 types video), though not exclusively.
What other people think about your car shouldn't matter to you. You should get it b/c it brings you joy. One of the coolest things about cars is how there's a personal connection to them. What one person might do to theirs (colors/mods/whatever) might not be my cup of tea, but if they like it, good for them! If every car was the exact same, that'd be pretty boring.
Hopefully more people will take your approach to cars. It's nice to see.
Cost? The whole point. Gets rid of riff raff. Quality? What’s the alternative? Ferrari, American junk? Dealerships? Just like Rolex. Keeps the value of your car up. Access? If you’re too old you have other issues.
All cars need maintenance
I also own a Lexus ES350 and a 911
Both cost about the same to maintain
It is all about budgeting before you buy
Make room for maintenance costs when you negotiate 😊
When you look at the performance of the classic 356 and early 911's they are on par or slower than a Miata/BRZ/Civic. So if you want the pure "slow car fast" enjoyment of an early Porsche, that's the way to go. Modern Porsches are way too fast to use to their potential on the street.
If you are fortunate enough to own you, you should drive it. I'm not going to my deathbed saying "I'm glad I didn't put miles on it". Buy it, drive it, enjoy it. Life is short, stop preserving mileage for the next owner
I have had 4, my last one was a 2014 911, bone stock as I was using it as a daily driver.
I travelled extensively during Covid and when I needed an oil change it was almost impossible to find at short notice.
My poor car was always running around with dirty old oil.
No car now, sailing around the world 🌎 currently in Thailand, not many Porsches here
I believe that Porsche builds the best Manual Transmission Sports Cars available today. I love driving them (preferably on twisty mountain roads). I’ve owned and driven dozens of other “brands” too - Not sure why so many humans focus on the negative aspects of owning a Porsche. I’m grateful for the privilege regardless of any negative experiences along the journey. Besides - adversity builds character. Just my 2 cents.
Couldn't agree more!
Yep - nothing man-made is perfect in this world. So often the design might be OK, but the damn plastic is a ticking time-bomb. 996/986 gas pedal assemblies, anyone ?
I'm old school probably favorite 79 911 twin turbos of course black , except 917 flat 12 , Porsche should only have 2 doors , I've been working on cars since I was 8 I started out helping cousin buy just cleaning gaskets , by hand and wire brush ,learning everything the hard way, since then I've worked on so many different things, some great and wonderful, some crazy, used abused and over driven, and never maintained, I tell people I didn't break it, I didn't design it, but if you want it fixed this is the price, and no not negotiable, :)