People are PISSED at the Hockey Hall of Fame
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- čas přidán 22. 06. 2023
- People are really frustrated at the Hockey Hall of Fame... largely because of the players they snubbed, with Alexander Mogilny at the forefront. We'll break that down and more on today's video!
‘Do post-playing careers affect our view of Hockey Hall of Fame cases?’ Featuring Rod Brind’Amour by the Daily Face-off
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Mogilny deserves to be in there…paving the way for future Russian stars.Happy to see hank in there though
It’s not people’s fault where they’re from
I agree Mogilny deserves to be in there. I guess they require them to be Sergei Federov level to get in there if they're Russian. 😒
There is a legend of Mogilny coming to the US. A Finn, Christian Ruuttu, was picking up / driving Mogilny around the Buffalo in the first days. Or even the first day. Mogilny was really scared about getting caught by Russians and being brought back to the USSR, he was really quiet and jumpy. They wanted to get something to eat before going to hotel, but no one had any cash with them, so they headed to an ATM. Mogilny was curious about what was happening, he didn't really speak english yet, was lurking behind when withdraw was made. When he saw what happened he sparked joy and said "America, great country, money from the wall!"
Not sure how true the story is, can't even remember where I heard it, but it is such a great one that I have been telling it forward. Mogilny definately deserves a spot in the HHOF.
I really hope we get to see Pavel Datsyuk inducted into the hall of fame as the best stick handler and pickpocket in the NHL
I think next year is his first of eligibility. He better get in first ballet
Rod should be in, if he doesn’t get in as a player, he could go in as a builder for what he’s done to build the Canes franchise
Mogilny deserves to be in. I hope that Cujo will some day get the recognition he deserves and be inducted into the HHOF.
Same with Osgoode. I feel both goalies deserve it more then Henrik
@@jeffreycairns767 hedrick/price were the best goalies of our generation. How does he not deserve it? He cosistently carried a mediocre rangers team to the conference final.
@@anonymous134y I never said they wasn't 2 of the best for this generation. What I disagreed with was anybody calling either the GOAT.
@@jeffreycairns767 i haven't looked much at CuJo but Osgood i really don't think deserves it more than Henrik, Osgood had 5 seasons below a .900 sv% (and after a quick peek, so did CuJo but i don't think Cujo had like an entire first line of HOF's at any point in his career other than on the Red Wings) on the best dynasty in the last 30 years, Lundqvist only had 2 below .910% (.905 and .907) on a bad team and thats just his sv%, unfortunately the earliest i can see more advanced stats (really just GSAx) to really prove my point is '08-'09 where Osgood was 36 and was having the worst season of his career seemingly and in '09-2010 he had a .001 higher sv% than the previous season and the next season he only played 11 games so i can't really compare them evenly
edit: Datsyuk hasn't even been HOF Eligible yet? tf??? but we all know as soon as he is its an instant entry. i didn't bother actually checking because there's no way in hell they're not all in the HOF and now that i did check i see atleast 5 names i recognize from that team in the HOF
2:50 Defensive stalwarts. Claude Provost won nine Stanley Cups with Montreal in the six team era and isn’t in the HHOF. Playing night after night against Bobby Hull, Gordie Howe, Frank Mahovlich as a defensive forward deserves recognition.
YES, Brind'Amour should be in the Hall of Fame. One of his era's premier defensive, shutdown, and penalty-killing forwards who also amassed close to 1,200 career points, 56 of them shorthanded. A warrior in the postseason, a player who consistently made his teams significantly better than they otherwise would have been. The people saying he doesn't belong apparently do not have a good sense of history behind the Hall of Fame and the kinds of players that have been inducted in the past as a standard (e.g. Dave Keon, George Armstrong, Jacques Lemaire).
I had season tickets when Mogilny was in Vancouver. He was so much fun to watch. He was a great offensive player as well as being a reliable defender. But one thing I noticed was how strong and solid on his skates that he was. Hard to knock off the puck and delivered some pretty solid hits. He was one of the first I remember seeing using the reverse hit when he had the puck.
He definitely deserves being in the HHOF.
The hhof have horrible standards especially when there are issues like mogilny.
Triple crown member instant hall of famer and the fact that brindamour won back to back selkes and not to mention the Stanley cup is despicable.
Mogilny is baffling
They don't like him because of the political ties of the time. Hockey has the most corrupt hall.
@@brandocalrissian3294 agreed
"Stabley" cup > Stanley cup haha :P
I love this accidental typos lol
Agreed. Guys who were instrumental in winning the Stanley Cup deserve attention from the hall
I hung out, briefly, with Alex. Used to be a bar on Main street called "The New Pink". The owner also owned or was affiliated with the "Pink Flamingo" (now 223 Allen) down in Allentown. Anyhow, he was next to my group of friends when I bought some shots and asked him if he wanted anything. Got him a beer, talked for a bit, and hung out that night there at the bar shooting the shit. He smoked like a chimney. Wound up making plans to meet him out the week after at another club on Chippewa. After that, he had to get back into training and lost touch. Good guy, great fucking player. Those days with Lafontaine were something special.
Mogilny is an incredibly important figure in the history of hockey. He paved the way for Soviet/Russian players. Even his story of escaping the Soviet Union alone should be enough to solidify his spot. With that said, Mike Vernon was a beast. He led 2 teams to the Stanley Cup.
And Mike Richter an American who beat The mighty Team Canada isn't important in hockey folklore in fact the Hall of Fsme wMts to erase his memory after being 17 yrs since his retirement he is still being snubbed
Tom Barrasso deserved to be in the HHOF. This guy did the unprecedented as an 18-year-old kid that won the Vezina trophy and he was a playoff performer with the Penguins especially with those two cups he and his team won in 1991 and 1992, plus he was one of the best American goalies at the time. Mike Vernon was a stud during his heyday and was an excellent playoff performer with the 1986 Flames, 1989 Flames, and the 1997 Red Wings while being a small guy. Pierre Turgeon deserved the hockey hall of fame for his incredible skill play and team impact, but his potential greater heights was ruined by Dale Hunter's cheap shot. King Henrik is a stud that deserved the hall of fame being the Rangers' main netminder for many years, wins at least 30 games consistently, and a strong playoff performer. Alexander Mogilny is a stud as well and made his own name in the NHL. Politics ruin everything in hockey, not going to lie. JR and Mogilny are both studs, but I guess that Bettman had a beef with JR while both guys are Americans. I could be wrong on the JR part, but the Mogilny snub is definitely not cool. Hopefully, JR and Mogilny will have their opportunity to be inducted in the HHOF. My former Canadian math professor in grad school high-fived me for knowing about Alexander Mogilny and I've brought up the 2002 Maple Leafs with him. I drew the Maple Leafs logo on my final exam (my first attempt failed and I messed up on the first exam bad and he commented on my awful drawing), and it was drawn nicely, and I made a comeback to honor Mogilny and the blue maples team, passing the advanced linear algebra class. I'm probably the guy in that class that knew about Mogilny and the Maple Leafs given that almost all of my classmates don't watch hockey or any sports. But seriously, Mogilny deserves the nod for the hall of fame and his skills and impact really shows. Overall, the Hockey Hall of Fame have the right choices, but snubbing Mogilny is not.
Barrasso won the Vezina and the Calder in the same season. That alone is impressive
@@vikinginsane6770 Indeed. Back in the 1980's, there were few American goalies that played in the NHL. Barrasso doing that in 1984 was so unprecedented and Buffalo made the right call on drafting Barrasso out of high school. It's a very high risk gamble that worked. However, Barrasso struggled on his last seasons with Buffalo, and he got traded. Being an 18-year old doing that is so rare. His Hall of Fame is well-deserved.
Article was a good read, thank you for pointing it out.
For Rods ballet we need to include some of his coaching stats which will one day should be a major factor in his career and chance to go in the hall of fame
But that's not how it works- you're in as a player or a builder.
Brind'Amour does ballet?
@@BarryMaple 🤣😂pretty sure he was trying to sat "ballot"......
@@csnide6702 He was trying to sat ballot?
@@BarryMaple thats my guess... never saw Brindy in a tu-tu ...... 😅
Brind'Amour should be in the hall for the 2006 Cup presentation alone. Ripping the cup out of Gary's hands before he could get a picture. 11/10 stuff
Are you gonna make a mock draft? I’m curious where you think Michkov will end up
How many people are pissed? How many people are not pissed at the Hockey Hall of Fame?" What is the percentages of pissed to not pissed?
I'm sure that at any given time it's possible to find people out there who are pissed about something.
Alright Jordan Peterson. What constitutes being pissed? Now thats a bloody complicated question, and there’s no simple answer.
Mate, it's just a flashy title to grab peoples attention, it isn't too deep
Hey Eck!
I don’t know if you’ll see this but tomorrow I’m driving 9 hours from Quebec City to Halifax.
I’m a huge fan of the channel & I’d love to get the chance to meet you!
the Kevin Lowe induction was an old boys club move
I think every once in a while you'll see a weird year to catch up on some guys who should have been in but kept getting bumped for the new candidates.
Datysuk may still be playing so not yet eligible, like Jagr. But that was a great Era with Datysuk on the ice.
JR should definitely be in the hall of fame. I mean he shattered his jaw twice and didn't quit hockey. Not to mention everything else. Brindmore should also be in there as well. One hell of a player. And a pretty good coach as well. Maybe I'm just biased as a flyers fan
He crossed the picket line during the 05 lockout because he was afraid of wasting a year of his prime. He's the reason the PA folded and we lost a season. Keep him the kcuf out.
JRoenick: 1363 gp, 513 g, 702 a, +153, 1463 PIM
Brett Hull: 1269 gp, 741 g, 615 a, +23, 458 PIM
First ballot numbers, but not the same hardware as Brett. I dont think a team sport should put THAT much weight on the hardest championship to win in all of sports. You cant just ride a Lebron to a championship. You need a deep team.
@@gideonvictor
Politics. Keep him out because......Politics. Is there anything about his actual hockey career, NOT his politics that should keep him out? It is the Hockey Hall of Fame...NOT the Hockey Hall of Politics.
@@JackHaveman52 If someone is the reason that everyone can't play hockey, yeah, keep him out. It's the hockey hall of fame, not the no season because I want numbers hall of fame.
@@gideonvictor
Are you kidding me? I don't even know who you're talking about and I just spent 20 minutes combing the internet to figure it out and STILL don't know. That either one of those players is the SOLE cause of that strike is ridiculous just because they wanted to pad their numbers, is the weirdest thing that I've ever heard about striking in any North American sport.
It was a labour strike. I've been on strike myself. It happens. Lots of guys were out with me. That has nothing to do with their abilities or contribution when they were working, no different than hockey. We're judging them on hockey ABILITY. Not on politics, greed or wanting to pad their numbers. Were they among the best of their era. THAT is the criteria.
Barasso and Vernon are definitely deserving, as you said, but it’s mind blowing that Mogilny continues to be snubbed year after year.
After Mogilny, the next biggest snub for me was Curtis Joseph. He was one of the best goalies of his era and made every team he was with better. I personally consider him to be better than Osgood and Vernon. It's sad that he has had to wait this long to get in along with Mogilny. I don't buy the anti-Russian bias for leaving him out because next year Pavel Datsyuk will be eligible and the voters will be falling all over themselves getting his name on their ballot. I saw both Mogilny and Turgeon play for their entire careers. I say that Mogilny was a lot better player.
Agree 100%! Hope Mogilny and Cujo gets in
is there a link to the pps system that will let u put any player in?
There is definitely an anti-Russian bias that should only be directed towards their government. Not right to treat hockey players and regular people with less respect.
it depends.... If these Russians PUBLICALLY disavow themselves from what is going on with war in Ukraine and say Putin is wrong - then yes. If they refuse to do so - pack them up and fly them to Moscow .
@@csnide6702 No. it’s not their responsibility to put themselves and their family in harm’s way just to make a statement that ultimately carries no weight.
@@cannoliscards tell that to the Japanese AMERICANS that were interned in the 40s
@@csnide6702 what the fuck are you going on about? I don’t condone discrimination against people due to their heritage at all so that is wrong too. I am glad they were paid reparations (those that were still around at least) and we acknowledged that it was wrong. Still don’t know why you would bring this up when it only reaffirms my position.
@@csnide6702 Sorry but no. A player should be able to be voted into the hall of fame regardless of what his country and their stupid dictator are up to NOW - years after the player retired from hockey.
People are always pissed off at the HHOF selections every year because player X was snubbed in favor of player Y.
totally. if anything id say the fact they forcibly add people every year shouldnt happen and there are hundreds of players they should remove from there without adding anyone.
its not a premium thing anymore. but that happens with all hall of fames. they just started the video game hall of fame a few years ago and they are doing the same exact thing. theyre already adding games that are fully debateable whether tomb raider is more deserving than spyro the dragon. either they both deserve or neither, in all meaningful measurements from sales to longevity to recognition theyre identical. likewise if they add mike vernon there are 2000 other players they should add immediately.
so yea hall of fames are just for shits and giggles. we know guys like mogilny will be added in year 20xx to a thunderous appalause but people are still asking why this and that guy is not there we are waiting. so its just for the gala effect
Exactly. Not everyone is gonna be happy. Some gotta suck it up 🤷♂️
That's true, but AlMo should've been in the HoF already.
I agree, but it’s usually not this clear cut though. Mogilny should be a HOFer over 2 of the 3 goalies this year and he’s arguably more deserving than Turgeon as well
none of the names up for induction deserve to be in a Hall of Fame. But the HHoF was long ago diluted. Hockey Hall of Mediocrity now.
Mogilny also had an "almost" 50 goals in 50 games (50 in his first 46, team's 53rd)
YAY ANOTHER VID
Tom Barasso and Mike Vernon we’re Iron Men and while easily forgotten in regards to hall of fame they were know by all hokey fans. I watch hockey religiously, and I couldn’t name 10 current goaltenders even my own goalies names can slipped my mind at times because nobody has been that impressive for a long, long time. One can definitely argue the fact that goalscoring has become a big part of real changes as well as Trying to increase pace of play which makes it more exciting and more likely that an error can be made for the opposite team to take advantage of so there’s lots of reasons why goaltenders of the past may have appeared to be ridiculous but the 90s goaltender arrow was a crazy era for goaltending on top of all the expansion teams that came in over a 15 year. Around that time frame lots of new goalies were needed that may not have ever been much if they hadn’t had extra teams to need a primary goalie on. That was right around the time that some of the team started to play with having to quality goaltenders And now it’s very common for teams to have two extremely good goaltenders. Are used to be that you only had one goalie that played in 90% of the games throughout the year and another goalie that basically played almost never. In one of your other videos, mentions Chelios playing for something like 50 years. Well, these two goaltenders might not have had as many seasons under their belt when they retired as Chelios, but they weren’t that far off either. Thinking of goaltenders at that time in history. Wow goalies were pretty cool back then. but I’m not even looking this is just memory from that part of history, Dominik Hasek, John Vanbiesbrouck, Felix Potvin, Mike Vernon, Kelly Hrudey, Patrick Roy, ed Belfour, Ron Hextall, grant Fuhr, Martin Brodeur Curtis Joseph, mike Richter, Shawn Burke, Trevor kid, Chris Osgood, Ron, Tugnutt, Kirk McLean Andy Moog, Bill Ranford, Arthur Irbe. I’m sure there’s more I’m forgetting and that just covers the 90s. Yes some of these were definitely ending their career in the early 90s and some of these were barely starting their careers and some were in their prime but all in all, I can barely remember the names of that many goaltenders from the new millennium of any era, but I remember watching every goalie. I mentioned above play amazing hockey, many times, and do moves that now would probably get them suspended for a season lolol the problem is many of these goalies are already in the Hall of Fame and all of these goalies had ridiculous statistics the best of these to the worst of these we’re not that far separated obviously some like Hasek, Brodeur, and Roy where are some of the best goaltenders in all of the hockey history, but the rest of the list probably had statistics that were almost identical. Vernon and Barrasso , Borrasso probably had some of the worst statistics out of the entire list, but he did win back to back Stanley cubs when Mario Lemieux was at his prime and Pittsburgh had a dynasty being the lead goaltender of a dynasty kind of guarantees a Hall of Fame position eventually, once they run out of goaltenders with all of the statistics and accolades from that era.
Alexander Mogilny, and Pierre Turgeon happen to be two of the most well-known names of their time but Mogilny was by far the star and best player of any team he played for, and one of the most well-known names in the NHL in that era. The 90s were a ridiculous era for hockey. It was some of the best hockey ever in all of NHL history in my opinion. And like I said, in my above comment, I watch hockey religiously. Most of these players were true Standoe players well above the rest in the NHL nowadays well there happens to be a heck of a lot more goals. The pace is much faster, and it’s overall almost more exciting in many cases. Other than the Ovechkin‘s and the Crosby‘s in the NHL. You’re talking about the Gretzky era right now, and there was a hell of a lot of good players at that time in hockey. Nowadays, when I recognize many many names, it just seems like players are a bit more evenly matched I guess? it’s hard to explain. Every team had five players you could automatically call to mind immediately when you knew they were coming to town now I just recognize the names of players as they’re announced or they score a goal or I see their name on their jersey or the commentators mention them there’s much less Apex players, it feels like? Maybe it’s just that the average player is much better than the average player was back then so the Apex players stood out and became easily recognized and extremely well known throughout the entire league by fans from every team.
And I honestly think basically, every single name you mentioned on the video actually deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. They were all extremely well-known, and not just buy their own fans Ronica was a stand out, and one of the most known names in hockey by fans and non-hockey fans as well. Well he had somewhat of a bad reputation he’s another player that played in his 40s and definitely definitely should be in the hall. Every other name that I haven’t mentioned in my book I’ve written should be in the Hall of Fame if there was in one name that I disagree with or better yet one name I was forced to pick not to include did actually probably would be Pierre I’m not because he doesn’t deserve to be there, but because out of every player mention throughout this video, I think he’s the least deserving and he still get my vote lolol
When I played hockey as a kid my coach had us get community hours by working at the hockey hall of fame . Totally picked up the cup as we had to be there before it opened maybe not the real one but whatever 👍👍👍👍💯
I've seen both Turgeon and Mogilny play, and you can count me among those who would have picked Mogilny if given the choice. He was the most dominant of the two, and would have easily scored 500 goals as well if it hadn't been for the lockouts.
Brind'Amour is my all time favorite player so I'm all in on him being a Hall of Famer
I'd like to see a list of players that Lundquist gave up a player's first NHL goal to. I swear every week we'd see someone get their first against him. That and if he hadn't taken Kevin Weeks' starting job we wouldn't have Weeks' illustrious media career. LOL
rod will make it when he’s done coaching prob bc he’s off to a great start as a coach
As a Devils fan I gotta say its great to see Hank being inducted, one of the best goaltenders of all time for sure.
With no cup 😊
@@al-tyraikadu5389 the cup is a team award not individual
They need to add more goalies, the HHOF under inducts goalies generally and goalies like Cujo deserve to be in the hall.
Fleury, Roenick, Keith Tkachuk, Dale Hunter should also be in the hall of fame.
Also Brind-Amour.
One argument that I have seen floated around is putting players in the HOF that havent played in 20 plus years that causes younger players to wait even longer because the committee felt like they needed to right a wrong or even with the recent selection of Pierre Lacroix who passed away in 2020. It honestly feels like there should be a ten of fifteen year window to be eligible to get in the HHOF. I add the fact the committee once again only picked one female player once again when two could be picked is just a middle finger to woman's hockey all around and in my eyes further points to your thoughts of the committee being a old boys club.
Mogilny is one of only 7 guys all time to have scored over 1000 pts in faster than 1000 games and still NOT be in the HHOF. Buddy scored 76 goals in a season and was a force to be reckoned with in his prime. He deserves to be in the hall without a doubt. Thats not good enough to get in supposedly but a career 3.24GAA and .892 for Barrasso is? make it make sense.
you also have to consider barassos prime was in the 80s
I wish more things were a meritocracy.
The HHoF starts to seem like the All-Star game for how seriously it should be considered. That's in reference to some very notable players that have been excluded from induction while having the credentials of a good fit in the HoF.
Jere Lehtinen is one. 3 time Selke winner and one of the best defensive forwards in the game during his playing time. But because he doesnt have the points I guess no one cares. It's a shame. The dude was an absolute unit.
I personally would've done Hank, Brind'Amour, Cujo and Mogilny. Barrasso over Cujo, and even Vernon over him, I don't mind even though I may disagree with the decision. Rod the Bod left out isn't so bad. But Turgeon over Mogilny is really what bothers me.
Turgeon deserved to be there years ago.
@@thomasbusy3632 Perhaps, but not at all ahead of Mogilny
Chris Osgood should have been before Vernon
Brind’Amour, if we continues the way he's coaching and gets a cup, definitely will make it in the HOF
I agree specially since Mike Richter keeps being snubbed after beating The Mighty Team Canada at the 1996 World Cup of Hockey, arent credentials include winning the cup people forget that without his stopping of Pavel Bure's penalty shootout in Game 6 of 1994 Cup Finals Finals and i guess since after winning the Cup in 94 to help beat a formidable Team Canada in the 96 world cup of Hockey i guess the Hall of Fame would rather Forget that event and erase Mike Richter from memory
Mogilny was a big reason why I choose the Leafs as my team than Cujo and his wolf mask made me want to be a goalie; before that we had Ray Bourque and the Avalanche winning the cup. 00-01
Chris Osgood not being in is a criminal offense
Still Waiting for the Riverton rifle, reggie leach to go to the hall, but I could be aaiting awhile
Datsyuk better be a headliner
When are they adding datsyuk?
Why was Jason Muzzatti in the CC?
Wow, I can't believe the snub.
Eck didn't even bring up Osgood OR Zetterberg in this video.
No rush for Zetterberg
Osgood got carried by OP wings teams and I don't think zetterberg is eligible yet.
@@andrewswinson6213 A lot of the best goalies ever played on great teams, that's generally how hockey works
Brind'amour is another player that I kinda thot deserved to be in the HHoF Edit: he has his cup he has 1500 games played and has 1 or 2 Sleke's iirc
Rod the bod deserves in. Idc what people say. He deserves it as a coach and a player. He will be there oneday.
I remember as a kid getting a Mogilny card in a pack, and being so excited
I’m glad Turgeon got in, he’d been getting snubbed for years. Mogilny is higher profile than he was so he’ll probably get in fairly soon. I hope Sergei Gonchar also gets in at some point, he def deserves it
I think the individual hardware excuse is kinda bs honestly. Look at someone Jere Lehtinen. He wasn't a points guy at all BUT he was absolutely one of the best two way forwards in the game during his time with Dallas. He won the Selke 3 times and won the cup with the Stars as well. His number was retired by Dallas and he was also inducted into IIHF Hall of fame. The only Gold medal he has won is at the 95 World Ice Hockey Championships, he has still won a boat ton of other medals as was representing Team Finland. He 100% is a hall of famer yet 13 years later, no
nods as far as I know.
What has Hank done to get inducted into the hall of fame? No cups, only one Vezina.
Letss goo Eck another vid! Lundqvist is the best!
Mogilny should absolutely be in the hall - at this point, his exclusion is a clear snub, and while I think he will get in, the fact that he hasn't yet is really an injustice. There was a time when he was probably the most feared winger in the league - a lethal combination of incredible skating ability, speed, terrific hands, and an amazing wrist shot. Combine that with the way he put the initial cracks in the Iron Curtain that Soviet players faced by defecting to play here and you have a clear Hall of Fame-worthy case for him. He'll get in, but his wait time has been silly and unwarranted.
Why wouldn't Brind'amour be included. Won the cup as a player AND as a coach.
Lundqvist on the other hand never won a championship.
When will Chris Osgood be in there it's nuts
Its super hard to draw a line on HoF inductees.
Not sure if it relates to any case in this video, but I will say I wish more people understood that it's the Hockey Hall of Fame, not the NHL Hall of Fame.
Meanwhile there is Lorne Chabot from the 1930s...
Rob deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
I will tell you this. Many many years ago when he was a Leaf. He was caught sleeping with Shane Corsons wife. He was accosted by Darcy Tucker and eventually lost all his friends on that team. Including Gartner. However many other teams have said no one like him but he is talented.
Overall, it's an average HOF class. The only inductee I question is Mike Vernon. Everyone is quick to note he "won" two Stanley Cups and a Conn Smythe, but so do many average players. A Conn Smythe doesn't make a player a Hall of Famer to begin with; moreover, Vernon's was debatable. During that run in 1997, he was actually outplayed in two--arguably all three--series leading up to the Finals, despite the Wings coming out on the winning end. (The Conn Smythe probably should have gone to Fedorov, IMO.) He was still great, and was great in '89 as well, but in both cases, he had a highly loaded team in front of him. Most of the games his teams won with him in net were due to offense, not giving up a lot of shots, or both. In other words, he wasn't really the difference between winning and losing most of the time.
i wish datsyuk was in the hall of fame
For overall career, Mogilny had a longer, more productive career than Pavel Bure and was at least equal to Sergei Federov. And he was WAAAY better than both Turgeons combined. That is a serious omission on the HOFs part.
My wife was excited to see a story about Ken Hitchcock. She was disappointed after she watched this for some reason.
As a Devils fan I'll admit I'm biased towards Mogilny and Elias...how Mogilny isn't in the HHOF is beyond me...I understand that Elias didn't have mindblowing offensive numbers but skillwise he was elite for well over a decade and played in a defensive first system...he likely would've been a top tier scorer in almost any other system...no problem at all with Henrik getting in as a first ballot HOFer as he was one of the best goaltenders of the last 20 years...not to say that Vernon and Barrasso aren't deserving but sorry under no circumstances would I listen to a case of them making it over Mogilny, Elias, Brind'Amour and Roenick
Pretty soon the hof will have to be called the hall of former players
There is another player that deserves to be in the HHOF & that is Keith Tkachuk. He has over 500 goals & was a tough competitor.
Roenick was a knucklehead like Keith Tkachuk. Did great things, but hurt their teams at key moments.
BRUH Why isn't Kovalchuk in the HOF!?!?!
Claude Provost - 9 Stanley Cups.
If it’s the hall of “the best ever” then Henrik shouldn’t have even been considered.
To be fair...brind 'amour technically isnt done with the NHL. Could still win a cup and just induct him as player/coach.
I think he’ll have success as a coach and eventually get in. Remember though, he did captain the Canes to a cup in 2006
Hockey hall of “Fame” yet nobody’s heard of half the players💀 this league is turning into such a joke
I think its his comments during lockout that keep roenick out.
Unfortunately much like amateur hockey, politics rules all. Especially at the Chell level. Can't say I'm not surprised considering who the commissioner is and associates with,it trickles down to the lowest level of every organization.
Keep up the good work Eck 🤙💯
Datsyuk, Mogilny, Cujo, Kiprusoff should all be in imo
The reason Mogilny hasn’t been inducted is because there’s a good chance he wouldn’t show up for the ceremony. He is very modest when it comes to receiving awards and thinks it’s a hassle, refused to show up and accept the Lady Byng and did not show up for the Buffalo Sports Hall of Fame, and the NHL wants to avoid the embarrassment of inducting someone who would probably not show up for it. He was my dad’s favourite player and one of mine too. I don’t think he will ever be inducted but people will recognize his greatness anyway.
Vernon and Barrasso deserve it. They were both cup winning and cup contending goalies who dominated the sport for a time. Roenick just pissed too many people off but he deserves it as well. Lundqvist doesn't deserve it if the others don't. He won a vezina and had great regular seasons but he wasn't a cup goalie. He never won anything. I agree Brind'Amour was a big part of hockey for a long time and he won a cup at the end of a long and great career and should be there.
I was hoping for Patrik Elias or Butch Goring
The Hockey Hall of Fame is approaching the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame status by snubbing Jeremy Roenick.
Nothing surprises me with the HHOF. The fact that Rick Middleton is not in and Paul Kariya is in when they have almost identical stats, the exception being Kariya played on a Team that won the Stanley and Middleton did not although Middleton was on a Team that won the Canada Cup (when it actually meant something). Thanks
Ig Kariya didn’t had any of the concussions his stats woudl have been much much better. Alone with the concussions he was a heck of a great player
Curtis Joseph should be in as well
I'm old enough to remember when there were no Russians in the NHL. There is almost no doubt that the Russian presence has raised the level of play in the NHL, but boy, those old Red Army or Czech games against Canada in international competition were really special.
Speaking of Russian hockey, you should do a special on the plane crash that wiped out the Russian team while Stalin's son was in charge.
Where the hell is John Scott.
Wendel Clark should be in there just for his tenacity
Mogilny deserves a hall spot as much as Chris Osgood. The reasons why they havent been called is dumb. Those two deserve it more than both barrasso and lundquist
Aside from the ones that were snubbed, the fact that Barrasso is going to be in the Hall is a complete embarrassment. Dude was terrible.
Brind'amore was was a good player, and some years a really good player, he's not a great player though. His numbers are a little above average, but nothing overly special. He was just a good solid player with a long career. I think he's one of those guys who falls short of being a HOF'er.
Lars-Erik Sjoberg was captain of the Jets, Mogilny was not the first European NHL captain.
Perhaps he was Jet captain in WHA? I'm not sure.
@@lincolnmaceachern2410 He was the first non-North American born and raised captain in the NHL, wearing the "C" for the Winnipeg Jets during their first season in the NHL.
When I say Brindamours name and have a quick think about his career i feel like he should be there but he's on the bubble for me
I’ll be saying this till the day I die: how did turgeon get in before moginly