This is a sad thing to see in today's world. Newton didn't tear his acl in his first season.. Neither did Luck. How can you make that comparison? It's about RG3's health so I don't see how it's racist. And both Haynesworth and McNabb were overpaid underachievers. Michael please just be quiet and let the man coach
i think that RG3 is the future of the Redskins but the real issue is that RG3 has NO offensive weapons. their defense sucks and now they're 3-10 and the worse thing about the Redskins is that there's no use in tanking the season cause they have no first round pick in the upcoming draft. the Rams get Washington's first round pick cause of the trade wash made to draft the player they're benching in the first place. it's a tough situation this is and i do recall the playoff game where shanahan got grilled for not benching RG3 when he got hit early in the game.
Shanahan tried to protect him with the system They ran in his rookie year. Rg3 thought he was a Aaron rodgers…..system changed in his second year plus he was hurt. That’s why he struggled
Are you kidding me? All Shannah did was run the Houston Veer with him the first year. That got RGIII, and he KEPT PLAYING HIM WITH A TORE ACL!!!!!!!!!!!! RGIII could have been the greatest QB ever because he could throw pretty well. Mike Shannah should be in jail for what he did to RGIII!
@UC_BXCNVoR0j0ShS2a5uoPfg RGIII was brittle, dumbass. Do I agree with running an injured QB? No. But that's the old mentality. Mike Tomlin would have done the exact same thing. Shanahan took Cousins in the 4th; Snyder wasted the 2nd overall pick on RGIII... HOW IS SHANAHAN THE BAD GUY HERE?!!
Mike bringing it. He got passion and does NOT back down. Deion also could not cover and shut down Mike on the field. Look at games for Atlanta and SF when covering Mike. Its true!
the whole point is, did they bench Manning in his rookie year? NO. He is asking would they sit Luck. that would be no as well. RGIII didn't deserve the bench! (This is coming from a Broncos fan)
RGIII has SUCKED all year. He's had maybe 2 decent or good games. Irvin should stick to things he knows about: playing WR, buying drugs, and cheating on his wife.
is RGIII responsible for his WR's dropping passes? Defense being horrible? Offensive line not being able to hold a block for 2 seconds? oh what about the offensive play calling, i guess he's responsible for the bad play calls too.
Skinhead , I guess last year Washington had a great coach, great WR's, and great OL ? No, it's not 100% on RGIII but he rushed back and has had a Sophomore Slump. Is he Almost As Good As Luck or is he a Bust ? The next 2-3 years will tell.
So RG3 is the only guy responsible for 3 and 10? REALLY? This is a team game and the defense sucks major. Shanahan has a history of ruining QB's and running off like a weasel.
I think the fact that RG3 is not healthy is a great reason to sit him. However, the power struggle btwn Snyder and Shanahan is the main reason he's sitting. Not the color of Griffins skin.
Brian Buckley I dont know what game they are playing between Shanahan and Snyder but its quite clear Shanahan does not relate well to players and likes to make a scapegoat of his players. This team is terrible on defense and special teams, putting all the blame on RG3 is unfair.
C B Taylor Shanahan has a history ruining QBs?! Ever heard of a guy named John Elway? How about Jake Plummer? Do you even watch football? John Elway speaks for himself. As for Plummer, take a peek at this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Plummer#Denver_Broncos_.282003-2006.29
Dion, yes both Mannings won Super Bowls, but neither made it to the playoff in their second seasons, nor won a Super Bowls their second seasons. As a matter of the facts RGIII's stats after his first two seasons are better than both Mannings, and Drew Brees' second seasons stats.
Need to check those "facts" of yours. Didn't win the SB, but still made the playoffs. Peyton: 1st - 98: 3-13 2nd - 99: 13-3 (playoffs) www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00.htm Eli: 1st - 04: 1-6 2nd - 05: 11-5 (playoffs) www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannEl00.htm
Portis played 13 games in his last TWO seasons (09,10). He was plagued with injuries, not benched by Zorn/Shanahan because he is a "black star." "Portis was released by the Redskins after failed contract re-negotiations and repeated injuries" def sounds like Shanahan's doing... Also, Portis was traded by Denver for arguably the best Cornerback at the time, Champ Bailey and a 2nd round pick. You would be an idiot not to grab a lockdown corner and a 2nd round pick. Oh, and who did the Broncos and Shanahan draft with that pick? Tatum Bell. Yup, Shanahan is racist...
The problem Mike had with RG3 is he didn't want to draft him and he was right not to. Look where Cousins is and where RG3 is. You are telling me that all those coaches out there are wrong or they just don't want a black QB because RG3 can barely hold on to a backup role now.
Are you kidding me? All Shannah did was run the Houston Veer with him the first year. That got RGIII, and he KEPT PLAYING HIM WITH A TORE ACL!!!!!!!!!!!! RGIII could have been the greatest QB ever because he could throw pretty well. Mike Shannah should be in jail for what he did to RGIII!
All these comments from 8 years ago acting all cocky about Mike being a "truth teller" on race lmao. RGIII was done and Shanahan knew it. So was McNabb and so was Haynesworth.
Idk z, it's alot more than robert, I'm not behind closed doors yet we know how it goes, qbs and coaches take all the blame and praise. Idk if it's race but there is a sense of right no matter what... Lol yet, the ship will be righted soon...
@LeeT44 Who siad anything about race??? You are making it about race. I am looking at the facts. RG was hurt at the end of his rookie year. You play him every game his second year except the last three. That's bull shit. Don't talk about injuries because RG wasn't the same player the start of the second year. So if you are concerned about his health, you don't wait until the last three games of the season to sit him. Makes no sense.
agreed with michael irvin until he brought up the race factor. players being benched happenes all of the time. Its not out of the ordinary for franchise quarter backs to benched. It happened with Alex smith last year. Jim hardbaugh chose to keep alex smith on the bench even after his injury. in this game if you dont perform you get benched, period. it has nothing to do with race
So guys, if Alex Smith didn’t have that absolutely grotesque injury who would still be starting in the nfl out of the three? Griffin, Kaepernick, Smith?
So the only successful season RG3 ever had was under Mike Shanahan and you say Mike Shanahan ruined his career? Did you know that Shanahan and his staff had to actually LEARN the zone read, they had never run it before, in order to accommodate RG3, who Snyder refused to let go in the draft? Shanahan did everything in his power to help that kid. You guys are coo coo for coco puffs, man.
They had no answer when he brought up andrew luck couldn’t hide behind “they won Super Bowls” no way Andrew luck would have got that bs treatment and they know it
Black quarterbacks have never had the same learning curve as there white counterparts. The quarterback position is the last remaining stronghold on the field that unfortunately white America is terrified of losing! The day a white quarterback comes in the league with half the skills of cam newton, Terrell Pryer or RG3 he will be hailed a god amongst men!
Are you just talking about their skills running the ball? Because if not, there are about a million white quarterbacks that have MORE skills than all of them
Hey Maurice, white America wants to see quality football REGARDLESS if the skin colors involved. We could give a rat's ass what color the QB is. And if you think there are no white QB's that are better than Cam Newton (call me when he wins 1 playoff game ), Terrell Pryor (spell his name right, not that he's even Oakland's starting QB of the future), and RGIII (outstanding 1st year, horrible 2nd year, and a PITA father to boot) here are some names for you: Peyton Manning Eli Manning Drew Brees Tom Brady. I can give you another 20 or so, but you get the point. Talk football, not race, or you'll come off as asinine as Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.
Jason Campbell: Never given a shot by Shanahan Donovan Mcnabb: Benched for Rex Grossman. Team went 1-2 Robert Griffin III: Benched for Kirk Cousins. Team went 0-3. Racism or not, Shanahan did these QB's dirty and proved to be a failure building a consistent winner in DC. .
But if rich eison said it he would have a good point I guess? Lol if you don't like hearing black ppl express there opinions why do you watch football kid
@@kikiv151 I'm half Asian and half Hispanic, but glad you tried to guess based on you limited thinking capability. Your racism will stop the day you go blind
Yes! You tell 'em Michael. Look at RGIII outside of Shanahan's horrible, withering racism! The man is lighting up Cleveland and it won't be long before they're parading the Lombardi trophy down Carnegie Avenue! But seriously, Griffin resembles Pete Maravich - an incredibly gifted athlete who developed too many bad habits from coaches who gave them too much freedom and whose recalcitrance reared its ugly head when asked to do something different. Would they do that to Andrew Luck? Would Andrew Luck have the same attitude? If not, the question is a non-starter.
This is a sad thing to see in today's world. Newton didn't tear his acl in his first season.. Neither did Luck. How can you make that comparison? It's about RG3's health so I don't see how it's racist. And both Haynesworth and McNabb were overpaid underachievers. Michael please just be quiet and let the man coach
i think that RG3 is the future of the Redskins but the real issue is that RG3 has NO offensive weapons. their defense sucks and now they're 3-10 and the worse thing about the Redskins is that there's no use in tanking the season cause they have no first round pick in the upcoming draft. the Rams get Washington's first round pick cause of the trade wash made to draft the player they're benching in the first place. it's a tough situation this is and i do recall the playoff game where shanahan got grilled for not benching RG3 when he got hit early in the game.
Shanahan tried to protect him with the system
They ran in his rookie year. Rg3 thought he was a Aaron rodgers…..system changed in his second year plus he was hurt. That’s why he struggled
Hindsight man, ruined Shanahan's coaching chances when he was right. He was not ready to be an NFL qb.
Shanahan had a scheme to fit rg3 skill set.
Are you kidding me? All Shannah did was run the Houston Veer with him the first year. That got RGIII, and he KEPT PLAYING HIM WITH A TORE ACL!!!!!!!!!!!!
RGIII could have been the greatest QB ever because he could throw pretty well. Mike Shannah should be in jail for what he did to RGIII!
"And I don't want to hear about teammates, 'Time!"
Hilarious shit.
Had more to do with Kirk than it it did RG3, Mike saw a lot in Kirk.
Thank you- thank you-thank you!!
Mike effed up RG3 whole career. Letting him go back and play knowing he was hurt
Rg3 just a bum. Plain and simple. He had his chances
Nah he became a bum when he sent a franchise quarterback limping on one leg
Exactly, ruined his career
@@Joes35 lol you’re on drugs stop talking 😂😂😂😂😂
@UC_BXCNVoR0j0ShS2a5uoPfg RGIII was brittle, dumbass. Do I agree with running an injured QB? No. But that's the old mentality. Mike Tomlin would have done the exact same thing.
Shanahan took Cousins in the 4th; Snyder wasted the 2nd overall pick on RGIII... HOW IS SHANAHAN THE BAD GUY HERE?!!
Lol this aged like fine 2% milk
On point denial is the best response
What does Mike have to say now since RG3 ain’t starting at all not even for the Browns
Sione Nau he was never even that good to begin with
Injuries dummy!
@@musicmonster3033 he don’t look injured to me. Seems like a one & done qb
Mike bringing it. He got passion and does NOT back down. Deion also could not cover and shut down Mike on the field. Look at games for Atlanta and SF when covering Mike. Its true!
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the whole point is, did they bench Manning in his rookie year? NO. He is asking would they sit Luck. that would be no as well. RGIII didn't deserve the bench! (This is coming from a Broncos fan)
Love Michael Irvin . Thanks Bruh!!!
RGIII has SUCKED all year. He's had maybe 2 decent or good games.
Irvin should stick to things he knows about: playing WR, buying drugs, and cheating on his wife.
is RGIII responsible for his WR's dropping passes? Defense being horrible? Offensive line not being able to hold a block for 2 seconds? oh what about the offensive play calling, i guess he's responsible for the bad play calls too.
Skinhead , I guess last year Washington had a great coach, great WR's, and great OL ?
No, it's not 100% on RGIII but he rushed back and has had a Sophomore Slump.
Is he Almost As Good As Luck or is he a Bust ? The next 2-3 years will tell.
How about some respect for a HOF wr. Probably knows more than you.
Not sure what Irvin's point is. Luck is 8-5. RG3 is playing hurt and is 3-10. Umm is bench RG3 too. Race is irrelevant here.
So RG3 is the only guy responsible for 3 and 10? REALLY? This is a team game and the defense sucks major. Shanahan has a history of ruining QB's and running off like a weasel.
I think the fact that RG3 is not healthy is a great reason to sit him. However, the power struggle btwn Snyder and Shanahan is the main reason he's sitting. Not the color of Griffins skin.
Brian Buckley I dont know what game they are playing between Shanahan and Snyder but its quite clear Shanahan does not relate well to players and likes to make a scapegoat of his players. This team is terrible on defense and special teams, putting all the blame on RG3 is unfair.
C B Taylor Shanahan has a history ruining QBs?! Ever heard of a guy named John Elway? How about Jake Plummer? Do you even watch football?
John Elway speaks for himself. As for Plummer, take a peek at this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Plummer#Denver_Broncos_.282003-2006.29
Shanahan is a loser, anybody that ignores his mediocre history with teams and star players, just does not understand logic.
Love the playmaker but he was wrong here.
Broncos did this to Drew lock
Dion, yes both Mannings won Super Bowls, but neither made it to the playoff in their second seasons, nor won a Super Bowls their second seasons. As a matter of the facts RGIII's stats after his first two seasons are better than both Mannings, and Drew Brees' second seasons stats.
But did they get the preferential treatment in their second seasons like he is implying they have now? Hell no
Need to check those "facts" of yours. Didn't win the SB, but still made the playoffs.
Peyton:
1st - 98: 3-13
2nd - 99: 13-3 (playoffs)
www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannPe00.htm
Eli:
1st - 04: 1-6
2nd - 05: 11-5 (playoffs)
www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannEl00.htm
Daniel who said anybody was given preferential treatment? I did not make any such assertion either implicitly nor explicitly!!
Willthisidbetaken, I stand corrected!
I didn't say YOU did. That's what Michael Irvin was saying. Pay attention to the pronouns I used
4th! Don;t forget how he ran off Clinton Portis! #HTTR
Umm.. no, he definitely didn't. Clinton Portis (which is one of my favorite players ever) had fallen the f off. He honestly had to go
Same picture they're painting for Robert. He got rid of CP in Denver when he was at the top of his game.
Portis played 13 games in his last TWO seasons (09,10). He was plagued with injuries, not benched by Zorn/Shanahan because he is a "black star."
"Portis was released by the Redskins after failed contract re-negotiations and repeated injuries" def sounds like Shanahan's doing...
Also, Portis was traded by Denver for arguably the best Cornerback at the time, Champ Bailey and a 2nd round pick. You would be an idiot not to grab a lockdown corner and a 2nd round pick.
Oh, and who did the Broncos and Shanahan draft with that pick? Tatum Bell.
Yup, Shanahan is racist...
Lol thank you ↑
Ran off Portis ? You mean a black man ? For CHAMP BAILEY....another black player ???
We must have a bunch of Obama-Al Sharpton thinkers here, folks.
The problem Mike had with RG3 is he didn't want to draft him and he was right not to. Look where Cousins is and where RG3 is. You are telling me that all those coaches out there are wrong or they just don't want a black QB because RG3 can barely hold on to a backup role now.
Deion had his dancing shoes that night.
Irv is lit!!!!
Why can't he just be right. It's amazing how idiots try to throw someone's past in a conversation to downplay the fact that Mike spoke the truth
Are you kidding me? All Shannah did was run the Houston Veer with him the first year. That got RGIII, and he KEPT PLAYING HIM WITH A TORE ACL!!!!!!!!!!!!
RGIII could have been the greatest QB ever because he could throw pretty well. Mike Shannah should be in jail for what he did to RGIII!
All these comments from 8 years ago acting all cocky about Mike being a "truth teller" on race lmao.
RGIII was done and Shanahan knew it. So was McNabb and so was Haynesworth.
Mike Mike was mad lol
Idk z, it's alot more than robert, I'm not behind closed doors yet we know how it goes, qbs and coaches take all the blame and praise. Idk if it's race but there is a sense of right no matter what...
Lol yet, the ship will be righted soon...
Mike was a woke Black Man at that moment. Speaking the truth.
@LeeT44 Who siad anything about race??? You are making it about race. I am looking at the facts. RG was hurt at the end of his rookie year. You play him every game his second year except the last three. That's bull shit. Don't talk about injuries because RG wasn't the same player the start of the second year. So if you are concerned about his health, you don't wait until the last three games of the season to sit him. Makes no sense.
Finally someone speaks up
And reveals himself to be an ass.
Shanahan was right
agreed with michael irvin until he brought up the race factor.
players being benched happenes all of the time.
Its not out of the ordinary for franchise quarter backs to benched. It happened with Alex smith last year. Jim hardbaugh chose to keep alex smith on the bench even after his injury.
in this game if you dont perform you get benched, period. it has nothing to do with race
Lol, alex smith is not a franchise qb.
Good point
But RG3 is not a franchise quarter back just yet though, he will be, but not yet
So guys, if Alex Smith didn’t have that absolutely grotesque injury who would still be starting in the nfl out of the three? Griffin, Kaepernick, Smith?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mike is wrong and race plays a part in this being accepted..... I hate that it happens and the fact that Donovan predicted it this was real...
So the only successful season RG3 ever had was under Mike Shanahan and you say Mike Shanahan ruined his career? Did you know that Shanahan and his staff had to actually LEARN the zone read, they had never run it before, in order to accommodate RG3, who Snyder refused to let go in the draft?
Shanahan did everything in his power to help that kid. You guys are coo coo for coco puffs, man.
This has aged very very poorly
Shanahan super bowl winning coach 2 times as a head coach and 1 time as an OC. RG3? Lol I think Shanahan knows what’s right. 🤣
He had hof quarterbacks all the times he won a superbowl. Without good QBs Shanahan hasn't done shit🤣 his son sucks too.
They had no answer when he brought up andrew luck couldn’t hide behind “they won Super Bowls” no way Andrew luck would have got that bs treatment and they know it
Poor "us brothaz" being paid millions
+howyoudurrinhunneh brothers in the locker room/on the team
Black quarterbacks have never had the same learning curve as there white counterparts. The quarterback position is the last remaining stronghold on the field that unfortunately white America is terrified of losing! The day a white quarterback comes in the league with half the skills of cam newton, Terrell Pryer or RG3 he will be hailed a god amongst men!
Are you just talking about their skills running the ball? Because if not, there are about a million white quarterbacks that have MORE skills than all of them
Hey Maurice, white America wants to see quality football REGARDLESS if the skin colors involved.
We could give a rat's ass what color the QB is.
And if you think there are no white QB's that are better than Cam Newton (call me when he wins 1 playoff game ), Terrell Pryor (spell his name right, not that he's even Oakland's starting QB of the future), and RGIII (outstanding 1st year, horrible 2nd year, and a PITA father to boot) here are some names for you:
Peyton Manning
Eli Manning
Drew Brees
Tom Brady.
I can give you another 20 or so, but you get the point.
Talk football, not race, or you'll come off as asinine as Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton.
Johnny Manziel
Astrong417 Tebow
Tebow is no where near cam
I remember saying that Shanny was type racist his first season in DC, and everybody brushed me off as a nut...the evidence is there man...
Another 70-IQ Obama supporter speaketh !
Ignorant
dude completely set rg3 up
No he's not. If he was, TD would not have played for him.
Looks like he was right to bench RG3, eh?
Jason Campbell: Never given a shot by Shanahan
Donovan Mcnabb: Benched for Rex Grossman. Team went 1-2
Robert Griffin III: Benched for Kirk Cousins. Team went 0-3.
Racism or not, Shanahan did these QB's dirty and proved to be a failure building a consistent winner in DC. .
White or black they all sucked
He was the one who advocated for and brought McNabb to DC you idiot.
Shanahan was involved with or directly won how many Superbowls - STFU Irvin.
Every one has been a falure in dc shanahan won as oc and head coach
@@stevenbrown6720Elway saved Shannahan.
The playmaker was the leader of his team and you can hear that in his voice...
And he was completely wrong LOL
@@roddoliver You are correct
Micheal Irvin only person smart enough to see the sabotage.
Irvin is a fool.
mike fo real foo.
Such a bad take.
Lol @ white people being exposed
Nah, just another uppity black guy talking smack.
But if rich eison said it he would have a good point I guess? Lol if you don't like hearing black ppl express there opinions why do you watch football kid
Tell them Mike . ✊🏿 but yea Deion sounding like a white man smh ..
Way to unite everyone by saying that we should all talk based upon our skin color, pathetic.
@@anonymousviewer69 yea your white . Sean
@@kikiv151 I'm half Asian and half Hispanic, but glad you tried to guess based on you limited thinking capability. Your racism will stop the day you go blind
@@anonymousviewer69 sooo you eat 🦆🌮😂
@@kikiv151 That amongst other things, what's your point racist?
Yes! You tell 'em Michael. Look at RGIII outside of Shanahan's horrible, withering racism! The man is lighting up Cleveland and it won't be long before they're parading the Lombardi trophy down Carnegie Avenue! But seriously, Griffin resembles Pete Maravich - an incredibly gifted athlete who developed too many bad habits from coaches who gave them too much freedom and whose recalcitrance reared its ugly head when asked to do something different. Would they do that to Andrew Luck? Would Andrew Luck have the same attitude? If not, the question is a non-starter.
Lol
It must be racism then.
There was no other reason for Coach Shannon to sit RG3.