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Horse Training Is Something You Want To Pay Attention Too - Stallion Who Gets Too Much Pressure
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2017
- #thinklikeahorse #ItIsNeverTheHorsesFault When working with any horse, if you drop your guard, forget about the horse, or pay attention to others things, you might get a lesson from the horse.
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So you breed hot blooded, strong, smart horses, and expect them to lie down at your feet purring like a kitten. where is the logic.
Seriously can't thank you enough for all your content. After watching you for sometime now, I have never come across another horse person that I respect more than you. It's very refreshing to see considering how bat shit crazy horse people are today, especially women. It really bothers me knowing that these "trainers" and "coaches" are teaching our youth. I've surrounded myself with horses my whole life. As a kid, I learned fast that I did not like, trust or respect anybody's opinion or "training" in the horse world (in my area and then later on internationally, thanks to the internet). Being a woman, holy crap I've dealt with some shit from retarded horse witches. You're the first person I have come across that I can truly say I respect.
You give me a glimmer of hope that maybe one day horses will be treated and cared for the way they deserve and need. So, thank you for that.
thanks, glad they help :)
Shelby Hooyenga he changed my perspective a lot. I wish I would've found him when I was 15 and idiolizing Clinton Anderson.
Shelby Hooyenga well put
, my dear smart, articulate young lady! I agree wholeheartedly.
Shelby
Very well put. I have owned horses all my life & have known many a cowboy (my parents raised cattle), have never met one with as much horse sense as Rick.
That horse did nothing wrong, and he should give up on trying to make the horse accept the whip. The horse naturally acted defensively and had every right to. Well spoken Rick.
I really hate the notion that animals can attack without warning. They always warn, we just don’t listen. Watching the video, while the horse is laying on the ground he doesn’t seem entirely comfortable. The horse gave him some solid clues that he was uncomfortable and the guy was pushing it. It’s also common sense that you don’t touch a horse who doesn’t trust you on the head. It was a pretty stupid move.
Not if you happen to be a trainer who needs to find that horses breaking point. The horse was sent for training because of aggression. You need to know when and why. Why does the horse attack and how much pressure does it take to get a reaction. By why I mean what tools and or human behaviors.
I’m always amazed that so many people survive with horses. It’s because horses really don’t want to hurt us. Even though humans deserve it most times.
Michelle Turner oo
I died laughing when rick said he should be the new Levi's guy
I keep learning from your videos. Watching this one, tells me I still have some learning to do. I am trying to think like a horse.
Me too!!!
I`ve seen some videos of this guy. I think he`s a good horseman. I like that he is showing these to help educate people . Not many trainers like to show videos of themselves getting it wrong. The horse showed very subtle warning signs that a novice trainer would not recognise,
I knew that reaching in from the side with no warning is what triggered the horse but I never noticed that the horse lowered its head to escape the pressure ! Another little thing I now know to watch for ☺ learnt pretty much everything I know from you. Theres a horse I know who's up for sale, she's very "dangerous" she kicks and shes bolshy... I'm the only person who can get near her without a helmet 😂 i can hug her butt and scratch it .. She loves it and feel her all over, shove her with a poop scraper when shes trying to scratch on the (full) wheelbarrow and pick her feet up. The owner won't let me buy her because she knows best ... She's been around horses all her life and worked with stallions, youngsters and has owned horses before. She completely neglects them and considering I can seem to do more with a horse who's obviously just simply scared of being tied up and groomed after only being around horses for a year .. I think shes just jelous and scared of being shown up by a 16 year old who has just done some research and actually understands horses haha
Kara Pirie u go girl!
hope the crazy barn witch owner stops doubting ya because of your age. Keep doing what you're doing, it'll be rewarded.
Vegan GG are you actually vegan!! Me too 😆😆😆 its not because of my age its because I haven't got enough experience 😂 but she has no knowledge haha I will one day soon do something awesome and she will regret losing such an amazing horse over her lack of common sense and compassion
Kara Pirie
mhm i am vegan :)
And i completely agree.
Many doubt me and my capabilities...dreams...I cannot wait until the day i basically make their jaw drop.
Seems like you have a good mindset, dont lose it.
I dont have much experience with horses myself but i know i can do a damn better job than many people, when the time comes. Definitely wanna rescue horses and train them in Free Riding. The connection and understanding is gonna be on such a level that it will inspire many :')
Vegan GG sameeee want to "fix" problem horses and eductate barn witches who think they know everything 😆 I want to do alot of work at liberty, trick training too
>i can hug her butt and scratch it
Cool : ) Sometimes the butt, is the only part of a nervous horse you can approach, and tho it's said 'never approach a horse from the rear', that is often the only way to do it. If you understand horse body language well enough, you can approach from the rear and not get hurt. And scratching the top of the butt and around the base of the tail is a good way to break the ice with a new horse. Good on ya. Love her up and get to know her better. IMO the owner likely does not understand horse body language. Few do. IMO most horse people treat their horses like dangerous machines that are only for work. Rick has commented on that before and he's right on the money.
I have a rescued horse who was genuinely abused in her previous life. She is scared of ropes, but she is terrified of having one around her neck. I know that about her because I pay attention to her. So an abused horse will give you clues about what hurt them. I know when she's gonna react, because I pay attention to her. It really isn't that hard to do.
I agree completely on Ricks assessment of the stallion incident on that BB video. Too much pressure was being put on that horse. IMO it would have been better to try to bond with it in order to gain trust, than try additional sacking out.
The part on this video where the two men approach this horse. In my experience, most horses do NOT like having their heads petted, unless they really know you well or have previously been acclimated to the practice.
Laying a horse down, puts it in its most vulnerable position. You cannot do it in anger, or frustration. And once down, you must seek to alleviate its fear. Sadly, some use the method to dominate. IMO, this trainer should have simply squatted down near the horse and relaxed awhile, taken some time, maybe let the horse up, then after a few min, laid him down again, then slowly try to gain its trust by grooming with fingers, the shoulders, neck, back, etc. Instead he continues to 'sack him out' and the horse thinks of it as intimidation. Again, petting on the head, which is the worst spot to touch a horse that does not trust you already, lol.
I'm familiar with him. He knows what he's doing. We do sometimes disagree. Example; he thinks I should stop letting my horse stand behind me with his head over my shoulder. If I objected to having a horse close to me I wouldn't have one. If I didn't trust him I wouldn't allow it.
Mike never blames the horse either.
I also noticed the way the "trainer" patted the horse wasn't just coming down but pushing down and the fast motion of his hand look like it was almost in a demeaning manner. Being a shorter person, I'm 5 foot 2 having people who are taller than you above you pat you on the head I get extremely defensive right away. If I was the horse I would have bit him too.
Thank you for all your work and educational videos. My sons love to watch with me. I have seen their appreciation to not only horses but all animals has gotten stronger. they are 4 & 6!
One of the most notable things that Rick has said that have stuck in my mind is that horses are prey animals, vs predatory animals like dogs, or cougars or bears. So it would seem horses are always thinking defensively. If people who want horses as pets or companions would take that into consideration it would go a long way to helping the horse.
"Trainer" has another guy messing about with him throughout the vid, IT all feels wrong and too pushy.. The ears are spread widish, stiff and back slightly like an angry dog....Too much too soon, two pressures happening at the same moment, with the whip at 10:29 on the left at the same time as hand coming in over the top right ( boxing him in) , and the "trainer" nearly lost two balls and ended up a gelding...Answer, slow down keep it one on one, remove the whip pressure BEFORE even thinking of putting the hand in..Slow Is Fast...I think the guy is out of his depth, he respects horses but the awareness and patience isn't there, look for holes but do it wisely....
The buck movie makes me sad because it reminds me how many times horses are let down by humans
The half closed eyes, head low and tension around the forehead and top lip are easy to miss and easy to misread. My horse used to look half asleep, head down, eyes half closed when he was getting tense, it locked up his legs too and he would get sticky to move. He would also hold his breath. It was easy to think he was relaxing and being lazy, but what he was actually doing was running away inside and going into freeze mode, instead of moving himself away in flight. Took me a few years to realize that and start to look for it so I could back off when he slowed down and looked sleepy. When they come out of that sleepy state is where they can get unpredictable and explosive as the survival mode kicks in from freeze to flight.
I've read that horses know when we hold our breath, and I think it's true. Part of herd communication.
wow I never thought of that, mine acts that way except she really is asleep (she starts to rock forward) but another horse I'm riding acts a similar way when I'm tacking up.
See if they're holding their breath, or their lips are tight as that's a subtle sign to indicate tension. When my horse did it I would play with his mouth to see if I could stimulate licking or chewing, which would signal his brain to relax. If he didn't respond, or his lips were clamped shut I would back off and wait some more. Some horses can go catatonic and unresponsive. If he was kidding me and I moved around he would flick one ear to follow me -that showed he was paying attention so I knew I could insist he wake up a bit, but if he zoned he wouldn't respond to me moving or his environment. It can be a very fine line.
I appreciate your very objective approach to horse training. Some trainers you don't necessarily praise or berate. Sometimes there's middle ground.
When he pet the horses head, he also bent his head down towards the head and looked directly at him as well.
Great lesson. Thanks rick
Putting a horse on the ground is the epitome of passive aggressiveness. It was clearly done to over rule the already traumatised horse. I have no sympathy for Mike. There are other ways to deal with aggression. The fact that he was a able to get a headcollar on should have been where he stopped and left the horse alone for the day.
I think half the reason for that "attack" was because the horse was made to lay down. The horse knows he's in a vulnerable position now. Horses don't lay down like that unless they are very comfortable with their surroundings and when other horses are around to help watch out for predators and will give a warning if one shows up giving the horse time to get up before the danger gets too close.
So, he's in a forced vulnerable position and the man is standing up looming over the horse's head being taller than the horse and more threatening looking. All that was uncomfortable enough for the horse, now add the rubbing on his forehead, the attempt to get away from it and that being ignored and BOOM. You got yourself a scared agitated horse. Too much pressure too fast.
My friends horses used to lay down in the arena when she got stressed and would pretend to go to sleep. She could do it for up to half an hour and wasn't fully responsive. If you made her get up before she was ready, she became unpredictable and explosive. It's why she got sold as the bad prior training had stressed her so much it made her unsafe. Luckily my friend understood this was a coping mechanism and was slowly able to rebuild her trust in people. It all depends if he lay the horse down or if the horse lay himself down as a way of retreating from the pressure if he had learned that running hadn't worked, or that he couldn't run. In either case the guy would have been wiser to stand back and wait as you rightly say, it's very abrupt the way he's doing it as the horse is down and trying not fight him but he's piling on the irritating moves!
Agreed, no release and gradual pressure.
Yes, I wonder what was that horse doing laying down. And agree that horse usually lays down only when super comfy and relaxed. Lady below says she has seen them lay down when stressed. Would like Rick to comment on that!
Andalusians aren't afraid of anything the guy pissed him off, and they are easily pissed off. Lowest bullshit threshold in the horse world and rightfully so. Some of these Spanish stallions you can ask them in plain speak and hand motions what you want them to do and they'll do it. It's amazing the first time you see it.
The horse warned him. He either did not pick up on it, or kept putting pressure on him on purpose.
He knew. He didn't know at exactly what point. He took video as a demonstration. Otherwise he would have worked with the horse without the camera. The horse had hurt someone and he was demonstrating the speed and power behind a horse attack in hopes of discouraging other inexperienced people getting injured by an aggressive horse. He has never to my knowledge blamed a horse.
Its just incredible (and wonderful for my horse!) how much I continuously learn from you in every video!
I appreciate it so much!!
Thank you Rick!
this man protects his twigs and berries 😂
I also noticed the horse seemed to reacted right when he was touching him, and kind of warned him when he started putting his hand on his face that he wasn't comfortable with that.
This video was made to demonstrate why amateurs should use a trainer for any serious horse problem. This was a horse in for training and he had a pretty good idea the horse would go into fear aggression. He wanted to demonstrate clearly why you shouldn't do it yourself unless you have sufficient experience.
Agree 100%.....I watched a retired "trainer" from the rodeo circuit tie a "killer racehorse" to a stake in the middle of a round pin, in a hot summer (South Carolina) with no water or food for 3 days. He simply broke the spirit and the horse ended up like a zombie. Very sad.
Connie Ray 3 days? And no water? That's ridiculous.
How awful!
Do ppl really not think or realize what a horse can do to our tiny asses?? I’m mean for real ppl just think about it they fight each other and we are not 1200 pounds well most ppl ain’t but still they fight way more than the average human
Thoroughly enjoyed the critique!
If the guy would be wearing a pink cowboy hat, I'm pretty sure he would have been alright. 🤠.
He also said the horse was abused by the whip.
Look at his eye when he touches - it changes in a second -before the bite
Mike is a decent guy. Like you, Rick, he thinks about the horse. Do you or I agree with everything he does 100%? Probably not. But he is very good with the horses and always tries to do what is best for the horse.
When a horses ears are to the side like in the video like Rick noticed and the eye and head language are like this horse it is usually after a big struggle where the horse is in the state of “should I give up my life or fight again” , it is in this critical state that we must let the horse know that there will be release of pressure we must give the horse time and release to come out of that state into his (thinking )brain at this point it is a tight rope to walk. Anyone who has really worked with horses knows we can all put to much pressure on or not enough we learn continuously. I have found if possible it is better to not get the horse to this state, but sometimes with big dangerous issues caused by other people’s mistakes with horse, unfortunately we have to go there with these horses to save their lives and keep them from being labeled man killers . I do wonder how the horse was laid down, I’m not a fan of forcing horses to lay down because it sends them into this state of mind.
Good critique there Rick....thank you!! Thoroughly enjoy your videos.
You're spot on Rick, as always. 🐴
Haha, new Levi commercial! What a sense of humor while teaching. What a MAN
Good morning Boy's I hope you have a great day!🧡
Good morning!
Good morning!
I watched this video a year and a half or so ago. I think I seen him work with this horse from earlier working with this horse where he was trying to save him from being put down. This was a progress video which was much approved from the first. Found a third on where he worked more slowly stating he found the horse more responsive that way. Where in that video this horse to me improved and was more relaxed. He also had videos where he was trying to undo abuse that a thoroughbred right off the racetrack went through. All that horse did was run in circles non stop full speed. Until exhausted just would not relax outside in the pasture. He stated she was not used to being outside her box unless she was running. And was trying to figure out how to get her used to being out and letting her be a horse something on that line.
I can't hear about anyone saying that they need to put a horse down now without seeing that stupid barn witch stallion collecting chick from "Buck" crying that ''he was oxygen deprived as a baby"........
Downhomesunset this horse here was saved because this guy stepped in. Not many opened minded or willing to take a chance.
Susan Gardiner That's great! You are right, most people would take the easy way out. Such a beautiful horse.
Downhomesunset yeah this horse's first video he just chased this guy out of the pen. There was more things that happened to him then just being abused by a wipe. It is sad that people do these things to animals. I think this horse's owner bought him for her young daughter never checked on if he is save or not. Found out that he is not save. She contacted this guy for help because no one else would do anything.
Mike Hughs is an excellent trainer and this was done as a demonstration. I disagree that this horse is acting on muscle memory although I could be wrong. I do think they react to how his past experience colors the immediate experience causing him to go into fight or flight. Because the horse is lying down its almost certain to be a fight response.
A classroom only had one teacher. Many kids but still one teacher
His first critical error is twiddling the whip on a stud horses chest. He triggered hormone response. Second most horses hate their head rubbed around the poll and ears. He didnt take the pressure off with the whip and plunked his hand down from above on his head. All this with the horse in such a vulnerable position. I dont like the dropped footage either. Ive never liked or used that method. I dont like the term sacking out either because I immediately see horse tied to tree head high with sacks of dirt on him for hours on end. And now I digress lol Anyway I feel he was over provoking the horse and missed or ignored the warnings he needed release from the pressure. He was to touchy feely in spots you shouldnt be on a stud. Was that a misthought or intentional? Since he seems to have an understanding of horses it makes you wonder.
Okay I just watched the video in comment below. I feel now it was deliberate. He "roughly" rubbed 3 key hormone triggers on a stud. Then at end he stoking his neck the horse is fine but he says he goes back to "rubbing his neck, head and ears" but he doesnt he only rubs his neck. Horse isnt aggressive he's frustrated by being stimulated in sexual way.
Yes! The chest is an erotic spot on a male horse. This probably was the first main mistake!
@@FaithAboundsatMelodyAcres No. You're ignoring all the context about the stallion having been abused by a whip. It was the whole point the trainer was making. There was no sign of this being an arousal issue.
I'm curious if that horse is imported from Spain... If it is then the whip could mean a different cue for this horse than they try too give him... Spanish horses are trained to react on specific places with the whip. Whip front of his legs means try too hit the whip etc
I love your videos! Always learn something new every video!
Great insights...Thank You! I love to learn from you!
Thanks Rick. Mike Hughes has the right idea and tries to understand the horses he works with. I have watched a few of his videos and its refreshing to see a trainet that is patient with his horses.
Also very good explanation on your part. It seems to me a lot of people are being taught by so called natural horsemen who dont know the difference between respect and submission.
I expect my horses to submit in extreme situations.
otherwise id say its more a respect thing. this horse was being respectful enough that i wouldnt have pushed him. i wouldnt expect a horse i didnt know well to be lying down around me either though.
Very good information.. Thank you
well said rick!
I completely agree. The same goes for dogs. Learn their language and you get better results.
Awesome learning here. Your comments reminded me why I started watching you in the first place. Horses are basically pure muscle and aggressive approaches can't work all the time and are never safe, unless you use pink ropes of course. (thats a joke in case someone thinks pink is safe, its not)
Yeah, horses prefer purple! It's a known thing.
ah, you forget to mention that it has to be a very specific, bright pink! And if you use pink boots and a pink, bulletproof vest, you're 100% sure no stupid, bad horses will hurt you!
LOL
I'm watching all your old videos, and I have to say this guy got it wrong. It's too much too soon. He actually says that the horse was abused by a whip in the past...my question to him would be why use a whip when the horse has already been traumatized by it!?! And like you, I don't like cuts in ANY video it just makes me suspicious. That's my opinion on it 🤷♀️ Really gorgeous horse 🐎 💕
I'm not agreeing to agree but before I read your comment, these were my exact thoughts, 🤔
Who the hell thinks a horse being more sensitive or fearful to stimulus because he was abused equals "aggression"? Are people that dumb? Like that's literally what the guy was showcasing, even if his views on the triggers may have been a bit off in this case.
Thanks Rick
Great videos as usual!
That horse wanted to see some pink alright. Some pink skin.
That horse is whale eyeing when the guy pets him and definitely looks pissed when he lowers his head. The guy had it coming.
Love the new Levi's advert - Nice one Rick. Very helpful voice over, thanks.
I don't get adverts.
He got himself bit horse warned him if he paid attion
When my dad got a new horse and introduced us kids to him, we always gave em a carrot or apple or oats with a little molasis, with flat hand open. then we would pet his nose and long whiskers.. even kiss the noses, I remember my pop didn"t even have a bit in their mouths, nor a halter, just a soft rope around their necks...as he stood in front of the horses peacefully and lead us to the front of the horses front., never got bit, jumped on even with General an Arabian pure stud, and Luky Steals, son of Steal Bars who sired 2 colts, rebi and sin sin our kid's horses who was full quarter sorrow, 17 hands high..I cleaned both their stalls., never had a problem, never really thought about it until pop with cousin Lee went into the pig business cutting pigs sticking the pig in a barrel and cutting them., and then raising chickens., cutting their heads of and the chics ran around squirting blood without heads until they fell to the ground, and then raising rabbits, hearing the screams as pop and uncle Lee hit em in the head., ..now I uderstand why Levi company in the day made jeans for folks, cowboys, baggy, not trimmed for fashion. This horse got pressure, showed warning and when he grabed the cowboy by his leg, my opinon possibly the leg, at first then with his whiskers retreated his bite and held on to the cowboys jeans.. but looking at the vid, the horse was flinging this cowboy by his jeans and not leg..look closely at his teeth (mouth), on the jeans, not the bone. I do not think any man is or can be a whisperer, I believe a man becomes one metephorically by "just" understanding and just treatment of any animal. For my christmas at 7 years old, pop gave me a halter of rope for Apache, an 18 hand high paint pinto, brown black,. I was to young to ride him, for ., the next year I witnessed pop and a cowboy train Apache...did not understand, but at no time did I see pop or the cowboy beat, whip or hurt my Apache., then my pop tells me Apache is whip broke., I could stand in my pasture and hollar at Apache, throw gravel to his side, and Apache would run full speed at me and stop at a dime 15 ft. before me, bow his head, raise it not in bowed up, and then I walked to his nose, kissed it and gave him my hand of molasis and oats. My pop before he died told me that in the day, whip breaking was meant to keep the horse near and to come back in case a cowboy broke his leg or got shot by a bushwacker., not used with brutal mehods of hitting, but the cracking of the whip, from a trainer who knew the horse. Maybe that is why my pop jumped over the fence in the barn and kicked the s out of a cowboy trainer who we both seen beating Sissy, the Bay Morgon long main Quarter on the head with the but end of his bull whip. Semper Fi.
yikes this was hard to read
I enjoyed reading about your memories
Wow that guy recovered pretty quickly! Jumped right back up and made the horse back off. But if he had been knocked out or had the wind knocked out of him would the horse have continued to attack? Just curious. I hope he was eventually able to help this horse! Love your videos! Later! 😁😁
WOW good video! I've learned A LOT! If you have more videos on this guy, keep em 'coming! The way you explain on what the trainer is trying to do and the reaction from the horse and what the horse is trying to figure out makes it so much easier to understand and it makes sense. I don't have a horse now but, these videos really help you get prepared for thinking from a horse's perspective and teaches me not to make the same mistakes with my horses in the past. Thanks Rick. This means a lot. I'm looking forward to more of these videos. God bless.
That guy was even irritating me🤷 The way he was poking that stallion. He poked him much harder just before the stallion attacked. I think the entire thing was to get it on video. A video that will be used to show how great the transformation will be later on. I'm still irritated😊 I'd have hurt that guy even worse if he was poking me with a whip🤦♀️ Good horsey😆
Man I just know working with a horse like this you have to be super respectful. Some horses are goombas even some studs but Spanish stallions I swear understand fkn English you can ask you can insist but if you try to force you'll get killed. I love my Spanish Norman.
Great video and education.
I mean if you cant think like an animal you can never understand an animal that is true. Especially with dogs and cats as well as wild animals. Lots of wild animals are misunderstood as well, including cats, and especially horses. As most people dont truly understand animals.
Rick my home state of Indiana has hit a new low. It is now law that anyone under 18 must wear a helmet an any kind of atv even on private land. it's now a class c infraction with a $500 fine to have your 17yo son pull your quad across the yard without a helmet. WTF
rusty schackelford Jesus. I'm so sorry.
rusty schackelford that sucks
I don't think cops can come on private property for an infraction? they would have to call you to them and if you did not come, I would make them trespass, that case needs to be challenged and fought. That;s like saying there is speed limit on my land, huge invasion of private property rights.
-shrug. I live in Indiana too. As kids, we always rode our motorcycles and mini bikes wearing helmets. And most of the time later on the roads, tho not always. I know it seems silly when you have a properly trained kid, who you've taught how to handle a bike etc, but as is often the case, the laws are made to 'dummy proof' because some parents have not trained their kids and just turned them loose on a too powerful machine. I had, stress HAD, a cousin whose father never taught him to ride motorcycles, and his first time was when he was 18 on a friends, in his own back yard. He wasn't wearing a helmet and it might have saved him, tho he still might have broken his neck. He is dead though. Took off too fast, didn't understand how to use his brakes, didn't know how to lean into a turn, and ran straight into a tree, hit head first and was killed instantly.
Rick they might have PC if a neighbor calls saying child abuse because no helmet if there is a helmet law.
My arabian stallion was aggressive when I got him. He learned in two days of unsuccessful attempts to halter him two things; humans would trap, scare and hurt him and he could fight off humans more easily than other predators. You would never get that close to him when he was down. He is now the best horse I've ever had but only because he has learned I can be trusted. There is almost nothing he won't do if I ask it of him and willingly. I remember this video because I'd just gone through the same thing with my own horse.
The film is the free summary, whole one is behind paywall (membership), so that's why the jump from moving to lying down.
From what i have seen this is not a bad trainer, but his position in relation to horse lying down is big no no for me. Basically he is standing where the horses body would be when horse stands up. So essentially he is blocking the horse from getting up.
The ears I think are like what are you doing back there kinda thing
if I heard a little bit right he said this horse had been abused by the whip, maybe at a guess, he was trying to desensitise him to it for some reason, just a guess from a snippet I heard ??
I'm late but congratulations on 100k subscribers!
I agree with you i think he is just explaining it differently.
My other half has recently been working with a horse who doesnt like his back feet being touched.
He was tied up by his back legs before. it only took him about 20 minutes to get the horse to let him touch and lift his leg. The main problem was if he moved the leg it seemed something clicked and he just couldnt handle it at all. im assuming he was used to getting his leg pulled back by the ropes when i tried to pull away.
Horrible trainer. My dad has been a horse trainer for over 40 years and when I showed him this he got so upset.
Can you react to "girl cantering along Coolly until all hell break loose" I'm a bit confused as to what truly happened.
i watched the video, it said in the description box, that one horse spooked, 'cause there was thunder in the distance, wich was not hearable in the video, so the other horses just reacted to the one horse spooking. It seems legit, as the horse that was being filmed spooked a little bit later than the other horses. But I could'nt figure out if the horse that spooked first was really spooking because of thunder or if there was something else, as it was not caught in the video.
From watching the video it appears that something spooked a horse that was off screen and cause "Cooly" to the see the horse running towards him and spook. One thing I did notice however is that as the horse was turning away from the off screen horse running towards it, it appears the girl starts yanking the rein on the horse and causes the horse to start throwing its head which makes the horse move again and the girl falls off. You have to slow the video down to the slowest speed to see it.
I totally agree with you
Did anyone go look at the original video? Mike Hughes said the stallion is doing great.
I would nor take my stallion to this guy . The horses are smarter than he is.
He's pretty good, I've watched alot of his videos..he works with horses that have been tought wrong by idots.
I agree. Mike is a good trainer. I followed up on this horse and it happens that within 2 weeks, with some good desentiziation by Mike and the current owner, things improved.i have to wonder..did this stallion ever have a positive experience by touch( hand or otherwise) by a human? I believe "some" people buy stallions, purely for one purpose..to make babies and make money. I think that's what happened in this case, so a decent new owner found a good trainer to enhance this stallions life. Fingers crossed it works out well.
They forced him down with ropes from what it looks like. The horse was clearly aggrevated for a while. He was giving him way too much at once.
And lol you're saying this now
I am a minute into this video and I already took a deep sigh
Can you please do a video about 4BP I think it could raise a lot of awareness for the brumbrys and also the mustangs because they are now recently teaching Americans how to train the Mustangs to save as many as they can Australia and American wild horses it's amazing how they teach and they don't use ropes whips and takes them a week or two most for them to be trained I hope you do a video on this and love your videos 🐴
Hi Rick! Thanks for all your vids! You were the one that said it the best....with no frills or preambles....we'll, actually you do tend to preamble a lot. 😉 But you do make your point and truth/logic isn't hard to miss if you don't have your head up .........I've learned more from your videos than I learned the 10 years I owned horses back in late 70,s. That being said, in some way, you make Mike's point about the learned muscle memory and that the horse anticipates pain with the whip. At 4:19 you say the horse already knows what's gonna happen before it happens. Idk, but that's seems synonymous. I enjoy Mike's videos very much and have learned from him as well, but it hurts me when I see the pain bits in the horses mouth. That's sad, as are all the pressure devices we've created to dominate them.
Question: Why do unfamiliar horses react differently to palms of the hand and back of the hands?
Also yeah about Buck and the stallion.
The stallion wasnt oxygen deprived. They were just very old school trainers who weren't willing to leave the horse be.
They just really needed to throw a saddle pad on it for some reason
Cuz
They are the boss
I am sorry, but I am like a horse. Get out of my space! I spit a donut on my uncle as a child because he would not leave me alone. I would probably release pressure sooner and give an abused horse time. It was too much for that horse to handle.
You could see the warning in the horses eyes and nose.
I like Mike , generally he does a good job
Just think if this guy was wearing shorts. Dude was moving too fast and rushing the horse amplyfing agression.
Have question. Once man told me when breaking a horse if it bucked when he got on first time then he did something wrong. Would u agree with that?
it depends, for the most part yes, but you can cause a buck after you on so maybe you caused it after you got on.
Rick,
I'm still laughing ! :) lol :) Hahahahaha You were explaining that the guy threw the rope to get distance , "good move", you said ! You don't ever want to give up ....... in this situation ! Bahahahahaha Geez Rick, the guys up-side-down ....... in the air ...... leg in the mouth of the beast :) Don't give up ????? Like he has any control or choice ! Then you say the horse slings him like a rag doll ! Hahahaahaha ! Yep, I agree ! Not much control or choice when your up-side-down and being slung around like a rag doll !
I'm not critiquing you ........ it's just that listening to your narration while seeing the situation unfold was extremely hilarious ! I'm still laughing ...... crying ! You should be a comedian ! I love your presentations but the funny ones doubly so !
Thanks for the happiness. I'll have good dreams tonight !
Steph_Louisiana
The horse doesn't know that though. IF the guy ran and jumped over the fence FOR SURE that horse would've learned how to deal with people fast. When things go wrong you have to at least act like you are still on top. Even if you have to move out of the way of the horse. You have to act like you moved to get a better spot to hit or throw the rope at the horse. You NEVER want the horse to know he won. that is a bad lesson. In fact if the guy jumped over the fence or ran. FOR SURE this horse would've been a notch MORE of a problem then he was before because instead of the horse waiting to strike. The horse would now strike as soon as he see's people and eventually be put down.
Shouldn't he just take away the whip when horse relaxes?
Yes, that is the idea of pressure and release. You add pressure to get the horse to do what you are asking and then you release that pressure when done what is asked. The release is the reward in this situation so the horse learns what is expected of them and will learn positive behaviors. I might be a little off in the description but it is what I've learned and experienced.
yea but the was trying to push to find the breaking point and get a reaction, I think, could be wrong.
Koniaczek Koń yes but he wanted the horse to show that aggressive behavior. You can't correct something if you don't see the bad behavior
Keep digressing. It's just more info. Question, would going back to square #1 in training be helpful or beneficial? Thx.
if you start at square one you identify holes in training and you make sure the horse and you understand each other and learn how to talk to each other.
Well said
well, the guy touched his ear....simple. (and he was laying down).
I handled 2 Standardbred stallions who were NASTY - the one would turn into a Cobra in the millisecond you took your attention off of him -he would just explode when grooming him - I would put my elbow into his neck at his jaw locking his head away from me - it was in his genes - 20% of his sores get were this way - we had a Broodmare by the same stallion who it took 3 people to take her anywhere because she was so mean - the other had a specially made halter to keep his mouth closed ( not tightly )- all the colts from his dam were this way except the one I had as a Yearling- we had a discussion after he tried to give me a masectomy- and he never mouthedyou or bit again - but with this older full brother you had to do a routine to get him in his stall - the girl who was his main groom screwed up one day and ended up being grabbed by her thumb and whipped around like a rag doll- I've also handled stallions who were so mellow a 2year old could lead them
Rick can you talk aboute Clinton Anderssons foal video i think that you are going to like it
lol, I just uploaded that shit.
Better don't , you'll get a lot a hate if you do ...
71wjoe rether hate then People not knowing
Could you make a video where you react to Kenzie disly?😊never was so early 😜
Btw congratulation to 100k subscribers 😊💓
Donut Cupcake her channel is in a different language isnt it
Equine Forever yeah but the language isn't the Importantst thing it's how beautifull she and her horses interact 😊