Mark McGwire and Jose Canseco started out as bash brothers, and ended up with bash beef
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- Mark McGwire and Jose Canseco are the sluggers known for huge hits, huge muscles, and hitting their huge forearms together in celebration. Dubbed the Bash Brothers, they provided Oakland with a one, two punch that brought the region success while delighting fans across the country. They ushered in the home run era of baseball, which you could also call the steroid era…
And there’s even more disillusionment where that came from - the Bash Brothers weren’t real brothers. In fact, they weren’t even friends.
So when Canseco and McGwire’s careers took different trajectories, there was bound to be some resentment. And some accusations of steroid use. And some carefully worded replies to Congress while under oath. And some apologies made via T-shirt. Hey it’s only natural. Natural... that’s the first word you think of when you think of these two, right?
Check out how these two went from brotherhood to beefhood.
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I can’t wait for 15 years down the road where the beef history is titled “Astros vs the whole MLB”
Once the team wins more titles, it will be.
Kenneth Cline trueeee
Hard to beat on a garbage can with no fans, unless they add a whistle to the fan soundtrack.
Rob Manfred vs. MLB players and fans
It should be "Astros beef with garbage bins"
They call me JOSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
And I’m Mark.
"And that's *Drakar Noir"*
JOOOOSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I love lonely island.
@@carlosalaniz9665 and i'm mark
Oh hi Mark
One of the strangest things to come out of that era was Sammy Sosa's dramatic change in physical appearance.
He went from choclate to strawberry to vanilla ice cream.
He got hurt in 97...came back bulky pause...
Watching Sosa play for both the White Sox and Cubs before the steroids really kicked in was still entertaining. Definitely a 30-30 guy, but then you gain about 55 lb of muscle in a summer... and boom, double homer production and no ability to steal a base.
@@michaeldiaz929 That's very true. The same exact thing happened to Barry Bonds. After 1998 he gain some wait and you can look back at his stolen base totals from 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 and so on to know when he began to juice.
@@Jacobthekid28 I was about to ask what about Bonds? He had the most dramatic and obvious change.
Beef history: Wilt chamberlain and Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Be kinda boring. Wilt dominated Kareem. Haha
The Leap Fitness and Health that’s not true in the slightest... Head to head Kareem demolished wilt for the five years that they were both in the league
Wilt and Bill would be better
@@carsonc3314 But Wilt and Bill were just rivals, Kareem and Wilt hated each other
Kaihaken
Jmmm
Jmm
When McGwire came “clean” in 2010, he still only told about 10% of the whole truth. That’s why I can’t respect him.
He's a coward and he hopes by pinning the blame on Canseco people will forget what he did. We can't. We won't.
@@Cooplander speak for yourself. I have no problem with what he or any of the "juicers" did. If you want to blame someone, blame the commissioner who didn't enforce his own rules.
Imagine his hero status had he came clean right in front of Congress. "... and I let kids down. Kids, learn from my mistakes."
I could've respected something like that.
Thought you were me... Nice PFP
@Einstien Brown It's been years Weiny! When and where are you now? How's Doc?
I definitely would love to see an Antonio Brown “recap” video with how crazy he’s been the last couple years
A Beef History on Antonio Brown and his longtime rival, Reality.
I recommend urinating tree
They already did a beef history with AB and Big Ben
Flemlo did a pretty good one
Shame what Burfict did to that poor boys head. He ain't been close to right since then.
For anyone looking for more on Canseco and McGwires time in Oakland I recommend watching "The Unauthorized Bash Brothers Experience". It's an excellent documentary.
As an Oakland fan, it was freaking amazing!!!
I don’t know, the whole IHOP scene was pretty awesome.
I just hate how Canseco and McGwire get all the pub and the rest of the squad doesn't. Henderson, Baines, Lansford, Steinbach were all great players. Rickey was the greatest leadoff in history, hands down. Having Welch and Stewart was the best rotation in the late 80's. They are the most underrated pitchers in the 80's.And Eck to close things out, they should have won 130 games. They had Dave Parker too if I not mistaken.
MLB Vintage Card Collector they were a great team! I kinda get mad when people talk about the early 2000s and say nonsense like “money ball” and “misfit toys” when they forget how freaking good that team was.
Gotta find this, ty
Lol McGwire as a hitting coach.
Player: " hey so what tips you got for me coach?"
McGwire: " hit it really hard"
Player: " uuhhh okay coach"
McGwire wasn't a great hitter. His results as a hitting coach are 50-50, nothing spectacular.
@@bigkahuna4826, McGwire was one of the smartest hitters in MLB history because he was able to craft an approach that maximized his strength and minimized his weaknesses in a way that few other hitters have been able to.
www.baseballprospectus.com/news/article/45468/circle-change-what-mark-mcgwire-deserved/
That said, just because he did it himself doesn't mean he could teach a team of guys, most of whom would have different strengths than he had, to do it.
@@JonPITBZN Exactly why Ted Williams wasn't a good hitting coach. He knew how to do it but he couldn't teach others to do the same.
His tips are use roids
@@bigkahuna4826 he lifted the Cardinals team BA and when he left, it fell exponentially. Yes, his tips help.
The only logical next instalment in beef history is Sammy Sosa’s beef with his skin pigment
Facts
Slammin' Sammy vs Clorox
Got a light skinned friend, looks like Sammy Sosa.
Got a dark skinned friend, looks like Sammy Sosa.
That will be a white supremacy special. ... lol
@@IlIlllIllIlIIIll It worked for Michael Jackson...sort of...
Omg McGuire had 49 homeruns as a rookie? Insane
That's cute Pete Alonso had 53 home runs his rookie year
@@drewwellman-ew7mvso
@@drewwellman-ew7mvtoo bad he plays for the Mets :/
“In fact.. the Bash Brothers weren’t really brothers at all...” REALLY?! 😳
i’m really crying really right now how are they not brothers
😂 the narrator sucked.
@@jrsmith1998 fr Lisa Simpsons awful lmaoo
Lmao IKR
@@jrsmith1998 How so? That part was clearly sarcastic.
Last time I was this early the MLB quietly condoned steroid users due to the massive revenue and crowds they brought in
Harry Engel wasn’t it before 94 like 85 or something. I was pretty sure it was before 89 because some Griffey Doc I watched said he started playing in the middle of the steroid era and that was 89
Jonathan Dee The One And Only extremely true, steroid era was fun af they should let them use again if everyone’s doing it there no advantage just a bunch of dingers and baseball would be big again which is good for everyone
@@jakegraham3758 ...except for the major health problems introduced by steroids to the players and to countless collegiate and high school players who'd start doping and end up hamstringing their life in desperate bids to go pro. No. Keep them banned. Don't make steroids the new normal.
roguishpaladin there’s this stigma about steroids going around that they are these life ruining drugs when that’s not necessarily true. The right stuff administered by the right people is rather harmless it’s people buying bad black market stuff that are ruining their lives and dieing at 35. But yeah kids under the age of probably like 23 shouldn’t be anywhere near the stuff bodies aren’t fully developed and it’ll do more bad than good
@@jakegraham3758 before 85', cocaine was the ped of choice. Bench clearing brawls were daily.
I grew up as a huuuuge Canseco fan. The bombs he hit put me in awe. He turned out to be a deuche but ill never forget that hr in the skydome in 89 playoffs. He WAS baseball in the late 80's. He filled the owners pockets so they didnt care about steroids.
Exactly
He was my favorite player as a kid cause he was exciting to watch and the fact that he is Cuban like me was another one. I remember here in Miami there was a street named after him but after the whole steroid scandal, they rename that street
Canseco told the truth in his book ..... None of the other steroid users ever have.
Canseco simply wanted to receive the respect and adoration that McGuire received. He was always treated like the black sheep and he lashed out because of it.
Especially since McGuire was a steroid junkie just like him.
And when McGwire became the black sheep he blamed Canseco for outing him instead of taking ownership of his choice to become a 'steroid junkie'. Canseco is far from a good person, but at least he knows who he is and has owned his mistakes, McGwire runs from his.
We all know back in the days baseball players “juiced.”this is nothing new it comes down to one gets fame and the other doesn’t. That’s all
"Conseco". Bruh.
The cold part is, baseball players have been using PEDs forever. Greenies in the late 60's/70's, steroids in the 80's and 90's, HGH in the 2000's.
Part of it was Jose's own fault tho... he kind of always acted like a total douchebag. Even today, he projects this image that just oozes "DOUCHEBAG!"
Mark's never gonna forgive Jose, because Jose's book is what cost him the HOF. Plain and simple. I mean think about every movie you've ever seen...when the bad guy gets caught, they live bitterly ever after...they don't forgive the people who brought them to justice.
Canseco shouldn't apologize for speaking the truth
so his steroid usage is what cost him the hall of fame. He would've gotten outed at some point by somebody
Canseco is a rat. Plain a simple. A vile rat. He was pissed no teams wanted him in 2002, so he ratted out every player he knew as revenge and for money, and it wasn't neccesary....Balco had already happened. Random testing in 03 ushered in permanent testing in 04 and beyond. There was no need to rat out all these guys.
To his credit, he claims he didn't realize how devastating it would be to all their reputations and legacies.
@@toppdogg2815 bash brothers? ha more like cain and able.
My thing is they were doing the same thing. Why make Jose the big bad guy and Mark they "good" roid guy.
@@psilocybemusashi Neither of them is Abel…More like Cain and Judas haha.
Needed my Sunday beef. Great start to my day
I still believe the best thing Jose Canseco ever did was when that homerun bounced off his head.
I'm definitely in the Le Batard camp of it being one of the greatest moments in all of baseball.
The game as a business suffered for him airing all of this, but the game as a sport- and the fans were better off in the long run for some of this getting cleaned out, but god I'll never not stop and watch that play when someone decides to show it. It's just amazing and couldn't have happened to a better guy.
Mean guy
Canseco was a beast .. most just too young or too dumb to remember!?
@@NightshadeDt I'm fourteen years old
There’s an hour video of the Bash brothers hitting home runs, go watch it.
Im super disappointed you guys didn't mention the lonely island album. Jose loved it, I'm not aware of any comment on the record from McGuire
As a kid that grew up in the Bay Area, my old man took me to a ton of Giants and A's games when I was younger. In 89 when the Giants and A's faced each other in the World Series, it was hard for my old man because he grew up loving both teams. (He even had one of those caps that was half A's, half Giants). For me, I enjoyed watching the A's but my heart will always belong to the Giants. Thanks for making this video, it brought back some fond memories of my childhood.
I actually still want one of those hats. Not necessarily because I’m a fan of both teams (even though I did grow up going to both teams’ games) but for the unique piece of history
That Bash Brothers were a lot of fun to watch with Rickey Henderson leading off and getting on base for them.
Of the 3...Henderson was by far the best of them.
Could not agree more. Those days at the park were the best childhood memories.
@@Goldie_Hawn_Solo Factual
Here's my question...
Why is Mark McGwire so angry at José Canseco? Is it because he broke code? Or simply because he got caught? 🤔
Both. McGwire always wanted to be the good guy and the All American boy. He played that role in 1998 perfectly. When you realize he cheated, it’s like finding out your now divorced parents stayed together for years so you wouldn’t suffer.
Because he snitched on him. Would you like someone that snitched on you?
Snitches get stitches
Both, probably.
Because he is a coward who would rather blame someone else for the path his life took then to look inward at how his own decisions forged that path.
This channel has the BEST narrators. A mix of comedy and facts. Love it.
this lady is horrible i like the other guys though
Theo Hahn her voice sounds wayyyy too nasally for me
Shes cool to me. I like all of them.
Frank Maverick i respect it. just not for me unfortunately
This narrator's voice is extremely annoying, My ears are bleeding.
I wish my Blue Jays kept Canseco for more than one season. He was awesome for us in 1997.
*1998 and it's odd in retrospect to think we had two of the most infamous steroid users of all time on the same team in Clemens and Canseco for that year. I always wonder if there was anyone on that team who started taking steroids because of those two. It was a lot of fun at the time to experience as a 12 year old, but looking back now it was far from a proud moment for the franchise. We could claim ignorance on Clemens but EVERYONE knew what Canseco was about.
@@Cooplander Ed Sprague admitted to taking roids in his career, but he might've started doing it before Clemens & Canseco came to the Jays (judging by his sudden power-output in 1996, with 36 HR).
1998 Jays were stacked!!!! Canseco, Delgado, Clemens, many more. WOW. I thought they were the best team in AL East. But Yankees just got on history, and Pedro and Sox just played better
@@hmhm856 the pitchimg was unfortunately just Clemens and Pat Hentgen and that'll only take you so far whne your division is stacked.
My favorite "player obviously juicing but got away with it" will always be Steve Finley. He went from _averaging_ 4 HRs a year to hitting over 30. There's a lot of guys who never got caught. While I doubt *Biggio* touched them, it seems that steroids were big on certain teams. & while Bagwell never admitted, Caminitti did. & like I say, Finley is Strongly Suspected.
It sucks. How can one appreciate how good André Dawson or Stan Musial were, or even Barry Bonds *_before_* steroids (who was putting up better than Dawson's numbers offensively) was when you can just watch balls landing in the bay?
The Jose Canseco book that came out in 2005 was a bomb shell and started the real clean up for MLB. Respect for Jose!!!
Well it kinda killed the sport's popularity
Respect? He was a vile opportunist and a despicable rat.
I don’t blame Jose for writing the Book, it was the Steroids Era, and most of all, it was the truth!!!!
@@adamdorgant9454 he's just a jealous snitch. Baseball was already having its steroid reckoning due to Balco....no need to rat out your fellow players and friends bc you're broke.
nonsense.
Ralph was right in the TMNT movie. Hopefully Casey Jones didn't pay so much for Jose's bat.
How is this not the top comment.
I could never figure out if he was expressing dismay that Casey would buy the bat, or if he was accusing him of stealing it.
OVA9000 Dismay all day to Cas-ay
OVA9000 I think he was accusing him of stealing it. That was early enough that Canseco was still a Star.
McGiwire called Canseco a rumour monger and a snitch. Yeah, that makes sense.
@MetalCrow448 I was being sarcastic. If you call someone a snitch and also a rumour monger, you are contradicting yourself.
Rick Ross did
Bash bros, now bashing each other
Canseco publicly apologized to McGwire and regretted writing the book, but McGwire won’t let it go.
@@DMalltheway well obviously. Its personal McGwire is not going to speak Canseco ever again.. there will be no apology. I know Mark McGwire feels... there is no forgiveness.. according to Big Mac himself saids..
McGwire: it's too late I will never speak to him again what he did was wrong.
@@dontrellmayfieldjr2868 at the end of the day, McGwire can do whatever he wants.
"Mark's two gigantic arms, nicknamed Crusher and Lefty (I assume)" is one of the best lines in any sports video I have ever watched on CZcams. If Clara didn't get a raise immediately after writing that line, there is no justice in the world.
I can't help but feel bad for Roger Maris. Overshadowed by an asterisk and then overshadowed by a steroid user. Still the single season home run king to me.
They blame each other for not being in the HoF, but the only people they have to blame is themselves.
i don't believe either one really thinks about HoF much at all except when people ask about it. you are imagining things that don;t exist.
They both should be in the hall of fame. There were so many players using performance enhancing drugs back then. Including pitchers.
Suggestions for a rewindr episode (all are football (soccer) related):
- Liverpool 4-0 (4-3 agg.) comeback vs Barcelona (the "moment in history" could be the corner taken quickly)
- Tottenham 3-3 ajax (Lucas Moura's 96' goal)
- Mario Götze's 2014 world cup winning goal
- Didier Drogba in Chelsea vs Bayern Munich 2011 Champions League final (His last minute equaliser and/or eventual winning penalty in shootout)
- Sergi Roberto 95' goal that made it 6-1 to Barcelona completing a 6-5 comeback vs PSG
All would be such cool concepts in my opinion. I probably missed some iconic moments but these are the ones that spring to mind
Few have lost more for telling the truth than Jose Conseco
Most notably his mind. Showing up on bad reality shows and doing a Bigfoot hunt. Wtf!!
@@theleap2946 He can't get back into baseball, he's still a name he gotta make money
few have lost more fingers for being stupid
Actually a lot more, check out ex-Trump administration officials
@@DMalltheway there's always that one guy to make things political 🙄
We need an Untitled episode about Donovan McNabb.
Don't think it was Mcnabb, More so on Andy Reid.
@@mlbvintagecardcollector505 didn't Reid just won a superbowl?
@@kx4998 Yes, but before that he was in numerous nfc championships with zero wins.
We should get one on Junior Seau. Even though that one would be a tear-jerker
Other than Terrell Owens, he basically has no good receivers.
"They call me JOOOSSSSSEEEEE!"
"And I'm Mark."
One look at those arms and you realize this is the OG beef history.
Beef history - Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels
I wish
Or Vince McMahon vs common decency
“Jose Canseco just snitchin’ because he finished”
-Rick Ross
Actually he felt he was blackballed so he snitched. Can't blame him he wasn't the only one juicing and all the owners and GM's were just trying to cover their own asses
@@brianreed1859Nah. Snitching is snitching, he was juicing too but wasn't getting glory and was butthurt about it.
you mean officer rick ross
They have 2 of the most iconic sports cards in history 1985 Topps USA Mark McGwire and the 1986 Donruss rater rookie Jose Canseco. As a kid the Canseco card was untouchable at $150 and in 1998 the McGwire rookie blew up to as high as $350. Both card fell down to the $5 range, only to rebound currently due to the growth of card grading.
I’m a simple man. I see a new beef history, I click on it.
After watching this I have tested positive to steroids.
Yes. Another Beef edition
Recap: sunglasses man makes book roast of strong guy
Mmmm roast beef
Mullet man bonk ginger beard man on head with mean words, ginger beard man sad, ginger beard man no longer friend now.
Sunglass man salty bc he didnt get attention of ginger bread man bc sunglass man acted like jackass for 15 years
Clara’s voice 😭😭😭
IKR... extremely annoying!
shrill
Fr I want seth
She doesn’t have the voice to draw or pull any viewers in nor the voice to keep them if they “accidentally” click on any videos with her narrating like some say.
There should be a sports beef on John Rocker vs the state of New York.
You could make the argument that from 1986-1991, Canseco was the best player in baseball -
A Rookie of the Year award. An MVP award. Two home run titles. First 40/40 season. Credible defense.
If you had told me after the 1991 season that Canseco would miss the HoF, I would have laughed.
Then the wheels came off in 1992.
MacGwire ate the yoghurt. He ate so much yoghurt and only admitted to it later. But Jose was spoon-feeding him the yoghurt too. Great story about dairy in sports SB Nation.
Idc what anybody says. The steroid era saved baseball and Mark McGwire is one of my top 5 favorite players of all time. I loved him as a kid. Wore his number and every little league team I played on, we were the Cardinals.
The players may have "sinned" but what about MLB for turning a blind eye or Don Fehr for standing in the way?
Theres no denying how incredible the era was to watch, but it honestly puts a damper on their records. Thats just how I view it, like many you hit almost 50 home runs your rookie year... but you also were doing steroids.
no it killed it people left supporting baseball and still till this day
"Hey it's only natural. That's the first word that comes to mind when you think of these two yeah?" Clara Morris, you crack me up. Keep up the great work.
Had to do a research paper about the MLB asteroid Scandal in school and I used ‘Juiced’ as one of my main sources...never truly realized how much Canseco was jabbing at McGwire until this video. Definitely puts a different light on the two players as well as the others who were in that courtroom like Sammy Sosa
Beef History: Pat "C Gap" McAfee v. Ryan "Equipment Room" Grigson
An unjuiced Ken Griffey Jr. would have dusted McGwire and Sosa in '98, if he was healthy.
How do you know he was unjuiced? Frank Thomas once told a reporter many years ago that there was about 5 or 6 juicers from this era who were going to get into the hall of fame who were never caught. When asked for names he wouldn't answer so you'll have to use your imagination.
Ivan Rodriguez , Jeff Bagwell, Mike Piazza, Chipper Jones and Tim Raines are those 5.
Jorge Serrato I refuse to believe Bagwell was on roids. The only arguments for that are his bigger than average forearms, and he was once teammates with Ken Caminiti for a few years.
Bagwell, who never tested positive, wasn’t even suspicious enough to make into the Mitchell report under ‘suspected users’. He had a similar career arc to Jim Thome, who everyone thinks is clean, despite also just happening to be a power hitter in the steroid era. And he never had a huge power spike and dip. Dude peaked at age 26, plateaued until age 32, then declined.
Harry Engel not to harp on your point, but I’m glad Brady Anderson was brought up because he too unfairly gets caught up in the PED rumors for that 50 homerun season. Truth is he batted leadoff (more PAs) on a talented offensive team with of lot of protection behind him. Saw a lot of fastballs, had an uppercut swing, and played in a small ballpark. That was the year of the “rabbit ball” where homeruns were way up from 1995, and writers noted that a lot of his homers just made it out, wasn’t like he was all of a sudden hitting 440 ft bombs. Similar I guess to Victor Martinez’s 32 homer 2014 season, where he lead the majors in homeruns that made it out by 10 feet or less
He was healthy. He hit 56 that season
I use to live half hour from St. Louis. The next day after he broke 62, I told my 6th grade home room class teacher he was "cheating lair phony and he sucked" I got detention. Thank You Jose.
Is this Jodie foster😂😂😂😂
As a kid in the ‘80s it was Jose Canseco that we all worshipped, McGuire was the sidekick.... and this was in the middle of rustbelt America. I get the feeling that Canseco doesn’t realize just how popular he was.
not true at all. it is easy to tell by looking up the value of their baseball cards back then. grew up in the detroit area and jose was simply not more popular than mark. 49 home runs in his rookie year. it is an incredible feat and got everyones attention. 30 years is a very long time ago and it is understandable that your memory faded.
@@psilocybemusashi my memory is just fine. But yeah next time I try to remember how popular anything was in the past I'll be sure to reference the value of its rookie card. I recall Van Halen was pretty popular, how much did their rookie card go for?
@@psilocybemusashi BS bro every boy back in the 80s worshipped Canseco. He was the good looking bad boy who got all the chicks including bagging Madonna.
I'm 38 and i don't care about the steroids. I grew up playing ball in the backyard pretending i was them, and if i had a vote, i'd put Big Mac in the HOF.
An excellent piece of work. I kind of feel bad for Jose and Mark. They got caught up in the steroid scandal while some of MLB's "golden boys" escaped unscathed and got into the hall of fame.
Bonds and McGwire deserve to be in he HOF. Just from 6:45 alone shows how MLB didnt care about steroids. After the 94 strike, baseball was all be dead and starting in 97 with Mack hitting 58, that brought the fans back and wanted to see what 98 brought. The long ball and the blind eye MLB took with steroids brought the sport back and used them as a scape goat.
Battle of Alberta beef history flames vs oilers would be sick
That needs a two hour long documentary. There's so many chapters that need to be covered.
Probably belongs in Dorktown!
They were both great ball players and brought much needed excitement and a boost in interest, and revenue to MLB. Unfortunately, like most corporate entities, MLB turned it's back on it's individual contributors to cover it's own ass. No one was screwed more than Jose Conseco. His contributions to MLB, and Oakland as a franchise, are imho a saving grace at a time when both were suffering in revenue, talent, and interest in the sport. MLB owes a apology to Conseco for the way he was black listed and shunned from the sport which he loved and contributed greatly. After all, he was the only one to this day whom had the integrity to tell the truth! MLB should be ashamed of themselves.
Funniest thing I’ve read, what integrity? He was a part of it, he only decided to out the whole scandal cause he was the one who felt hard done by. You reckon if he was treated great and was able to continue to 500 HR he would’ve said anything? Rubbish! Only reason he bothered mentioning it was cause he tried to get something back that he felt he lost, that’s barely integrity in my book. Don’t think you understand what integrity is, and I wouldn’t blame you, when has the sport of baseball and the word integrity ever been a regular practice?
@@deano2261I agree, there’s no way that Canseco would have come forward if he hadn’t been treated unfairly. The part that ticks me off is how McGwire is so salty because his precious family man image is being destroyed. He’s just as bad as Canseco.
I'm appreciating you guys doing more baseball ones
Mark is gonna die not forgiving Jose, he’s taking this to his grave.
I kinda don't blame him. I was a kid during Sosa and McGuire's race to 60 and it was the biggest thing by far in American sports at the time. Jose legitimately ruined Mark and Sosa's legacy.
@@ws8061 So Mark using steroids didn't ruin his legacy, it was the snitch not the crime itself, huh?
W S Jose Canseco ruined a lot of legacies. He opened the flood gates to the steroid scandal in baseball with his “tell all” book “Juiced”.
Barry Bonds
Mark McGwire
Sammy Sosa
Rodger Clemens
Kurt Schilling
Rafael Palmeiro
Gary Sheffield
Ivan Rodriguez
Jason Giambi
Won’t ever see the HOF because of Jose Canseco.
@@ws8061 I'd say Mark and Sosa, and Bonds (among others), ruined not only their legacy, but MLB's, on their own...
Idk, it all permanently damaged how I look at the league... wasn't even surprised when the Astros were cheating (and MLB pretty much covered it up at first). MLB is a shitshow. Fitting that they have a clown in charge now.
@@peterthegreat100 so they cheated. MLB closed their eyes. I'm not a fan of "snitches" but they made it seem like Jose was the only one.
"The bash brothers weren't even really brothers".
Really? I had no clue. I wondered why they didn't look alike, have different last names and were different races.
It was a joke
This narrator's voice is absolutely perfect for these videos. I can't get enough.
This was way more entertaining than most things on Netflix nowadays. Well done narrating.
Jose was in "Homer at the Bat". Mark was in "Brother's Little Helper"
Point: Jose
3:08 THAT was the amount for the highest paid mlb player back then? If a team offered that now, it’d be beyond disrespectful to say the least. Wow times have changed
Free agency was actually just a recent thing then
@@nohbuddy1 And also, people still had some shame and didn't realize how gross making that much more than everyone else was.
@@roguishpaladin Considering what the players bring in they should be paid more. For decades they were under the reserve clause and had little say over their salary
Maybe if people had better unions, like the MLB Union, they'd be paid more. Instead idiot fans think they should be paid less because their own boss doesn't pay them enough
@@roguishpaladin Know the old saying, "Don't hate the player, hate the game?" That fits pretty well here.
Inflation happens. MLB owners rake in billions, advertisers make a ton of money, stadiums pay a ton more for sponsorships and charge more for admissions and food, but the players are supposed to sit back and accept pay based on their 1980s and 1990s counterparts? The sheer effort and the amount of work they put in now compared to what they did even ten years ago is insane. It's not shameless for Trout to make what he does over his contract - he's the best in the game and, by numbers, could go down as the greatest player of all time. In a basic one-to-one, greatest player should receive greatest contract.
You (and everyone else who makes this argument, too) aren't factoring in the business component to the game, either. Scott Boras negotiates stupid-large contracts like that for his players because as their agent, he can wring them for a fair bit of cash over the years. Yet when Gerrit Cole does what he does and teams pay what they want to pay for that kind of production, you blame... him?
@@DakodaOK I blame both. The game is overpriced and too many resources are devoted to it, and owners are super-greedy, but that doesn't mean that the players should enable that behavior and that system. When both owners and employees are part of the 1%, maybe there's a problem with the industry.
Didn't know that I needed some Sunday morning beef. Loved the Bash Bros growing up
Thank you for always giving us organized videos with well-told narratives! ❤
A Topps 1987 baseball card has the bash brothers pose under the banner "baseball's future"
It was true, though. Between the hunt for 61 and the steroids scandal, that card accurately foretold the future of 90s baseball.
You can't do a Bash Brothers video without the greatest highlight of the two... Canseco's Homerun off his head in the outfield. That play has aged as Canseco's most classic mlb moment. Growing up in NYC a Yankee fan the new york fans were hilarious with taunts/jokes over Madonna and Steroids when he played at Yankee stadium. Canseco took it like a champ and was funny and nice actually back to the fans. It a odd way Yankee fans grew to love him because of how he handled the heckling. I seem to remember Jose's attitude being "You all just wish you where me" and he would flex his muscles and smiled . I even remember Jose cracking up at some of the fans funniest jokes sent his way. He was a good sport and a funny guy. When he became a Yankee he was accepted quickly. He was a funny guy at games and a good sport to the fans always. I never heard "go back to Cuba" maybe it was a different game. I don't think it was widely known Jose was Cuban. I just learned he was from this video. After alot of beers fans can get brutal but that wasn't the majority of fans. Most fans had a good time with Jose. Despite all the crap after he retired I can't help but like Jose Canseco. He did alot for mlb on the field both with play and his handling of fans. I don't remember the fans hating him at all it was all in good fun and Jose knew it.
Roy Jones vs Antonio Tarver or Bernard Hopkins beef history please! Love this channel & beef history!
Fun fact you haven’t finished watching the video your just looking through the comments👁
You'd be correct
As with most video. People scroll through comments during the video.
You got me. And I just scrolled up to check. :)
My favorite player was always Rickey Henderson anyway. Out of the "Brothers", it was Jose.
We'll never see another Rickey Henderson. Incredible player.
Ricky Henderson's story about John Olerud always makes me cackle like a crazy cat lady.
@@YaowBucketHEAD It was a made-up story. Rickey said it wasn't true.
@Samuel Brown No, somebody on the team made up the story because it SOUNDS like something Rickey would say...that's why so many people believe it, even though it didn't happen.
@Samuel Brown There's an interview on CZcams where Rickey was asked if it was true and he said no...
Literally wearing my Big Mac 62nd homer hat rn, had to watch this asap
That yogurt 🍦 at work analogy got me😂😂😂😂😆
I don't care what anybody says, I didn't watch baseball for years and years until the great home run chase of 98. The Bash Brothers were so awesome back in the 80's as well. Me and all my homeboys would do the forearm bash daily
the steroid era made baseball watchable
Another great ep.
Now put Barry in the Hall
Woke up to the sizzle of some beef. Thanks!!
The yogurt analogy is a classic! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👌🏾
#LoveIt👍🏽👍🏽
Steroids weren’t banned in Baseball until 2005…so that being said, can we please get Bonds and McGwire in the HOF?
SB Nation helping me survive quarantine
You know if it wasn't for McGuire and Sosa, baseball would have had a deep black eye after the 1996 strike. They did what they did but they made baseball exciting. They should name fields after these guys because if it wasn't for them baseball would have empty seats in the stands. Anyone who criticizes them doesn't know diddly about the excitement a baseball hero can bring to a hometown and its fans. My hats off to them and thank you for the shots heard round the world.
Clara, thanks for this. Always happy to get back into the beef.
11:24 I'm stealing that. Anytime someone asks me something,"I'm not here to talk about the past now". Hell I'm making that an affirmation!
Boss: "hey uh Davis, did you review the William's report?".
Me: "I'm not here to talk about the past".
We're not here to talk about the past, we're here to be positive and move forward.
Great video. Both guys have made it clear they were never friends... Glad I didn't know this as a kid when I had their poster on my wall.
This channel so lit been waiting on this
Next : Vontaze Burfict vs NFL Violation rules
I don’t know...I think we are still in the middle of that beef. Haha
@@theleap2946 hopefully he's done in the NFL.
"It makes sense that a beef so full of steroids would live forever occasionally twitching." NICE Lmmfao!!!!
5:08 when i was in high school and even before that Canseco was my favorite player. had a huge poster from ceiling to floor of Canseco. and also had this picture from SI when he was flexing showing off the scar he got from TJ after pitching an inning hanging in my locker.
You guys should do the Blue Bombers vs Rough Riders for the CFL, we just ain't ever get much love but its a strong rivalry and would be super cool to see.
Her voice killin me
Mullet: Chad AF
Mullet plus bangs: Alpha AF
Mullet plus bangs plus Oakleys: -Inf OVERFLOW ERROR
"When the fans shouted "ster-roids," he flexed for them" 😂
Nice video , these videos are my favourite to listen to will I’m at work doing paper work 😂 🤫
Collapse on Shanahan’s Broncos after Super Bowl 33.
JGN
And an accompanying montage of Shanahan's post SBXXXIII "scapegoat of the season" (Eddie Kennison, Deltha O' Neal, Brian Griese, Jake Plummer, etc.)
"Beef so full of steroids can live forever, or occasionally twitch."🙃😂
These two where my favorite two player's growing up they definitely deserve to be in the hall of fame even if it's with a asterisk.
‘...Live forever, occasionally twitching...’ great line, whoever wrote that 😂