Kevin Garnett's beef with the "snake-like" Wolves owner got even worse without Flip Saunders around
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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2024
- Kevin Garnett loves Minnesota. That's where he spent most of his legendary playing career, and he still loves the city, the fans, and many of his former teammates. But from the time Garnett became a Timberwolf until well after he retired, one man owned the franchise, and Kevin Garnett does not like that man. At all.
Glen Taylor is a billionaire, one of Minnesota's richest people. He bought the Wolves in the early '90s, and brought in the regime that made the Wolves relevant, including Garnett and his first, beloved head coach, Flip Saunders.
But making the Wolves "relevant" wasn't really enough with a generational talent like Garnett on board. This episode of Beef History explains how Taylor failed his superstar employee, disparaged him after he departed, and ended up alienating one of the greatest pro athletes in Minnesota history. And just when a reunion and happy ending seemed possible, Garnett and Taylor lost a crucial moderating presence with the tragic death of Flip Saunders.
Directed and edited by Jiazhen Zhang
Written and produced by Seth Rosenthal
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The wolves will be cursed until they retire his jersey.
Yes bro
They're a Minnesota sports franchise, they're screwed no matter what
Same thing with the Cowboys. They will always be cursed until Jerry puts Jimmy in the ring of honor.
@@jr.3308 I don’t think they'll win anything as long as Jerry's running the show. He's lost his touch and he's more of a detriment now.
@@jr.3308 They're cursed until Jerry dies lol.
Minnesota Timberwolves = the real Factory of Sadness
Good. You watch uTree as well.
As a Wolves fan I agree
Would it be too mean at this point to make a Legacy of Failure video on the Wolves?
@@uncreative5766 He already made a Vikings one, a timberwolves video would hurt aswell as a Minnesotan
@@brodown64 me too brother *cries in skol*
Is it just me or does Glen Taylor look like Emperor Palpatine
Every nba owner looks like emperor palpatine
@@bautibruniard9218 Every billionaire looks like Emperor Palpatine
@@ColinGLogan Best example, Jerry Jones
You're giving him way too much credit with that comparison. Shoes are too big to fill.
OMG
you're telling me the guy from uncut gems actually played basketball? nice
😂😂😂😂
Bruh.
I love this comment lol
lol even cooler the game footage was legit 🤡
If people knew me as "The guy from an adam sandler movie" id probably end it all their
KG will retire his own Jersey once he buys the team
Edit: He's not gonna buy the team anymore 😕
Hahaha that'd be amazing
That would be funny. But he'll never own the Timberwolves.
True
@@user-ul6iu1cd4p I hope KG gets the opportunity to buy the wolves?Taylor is a horrible owner.
Ahmed Abdi definitely doesn’t have enough money
Glen Taylor: “KG quit on the team”
KG: *would literally try to win with one arm torn off*
Just one?
@@GenericUserNameHere KG would work as the popcorn guy if it meant that his team will win the game.
Imagine buying a team and retiring your own jersey, that’s a power move greater than any KG dunk.
I want to see that happen 👏🏽 T-Wolves have a young and promising core of players now, I would love to see KG try and turn the franchise around in a front office/ownership role.
the power move is *NOT* retiring your jersey. because every mf knows where it belongs anyway.
@@sleazy_listening I hear that, and maybe you’re right for now, but what about after 5 generations?
I think it’s about legacy, everybody is trying to find a path to immortality and a retired jersey goes a long way to cementing that.
There are a very select few professional athletes who would never again have to pay for a drink anywhere in Minnesota. Kevin Garnett is one of them. #KGMVP
My list is Him, Moss, Tarkenton, Randle, Allen, Greenway, Madano, Brooks, Mauer, and Puckett.
@@Charles_Groebs Keenum
@@Charles_Groebs Diggs too for the Minneapolis miracle
@@Charles_Groebs Gotta put Killebrew on there.
I'd also add Page, Hrbek, Grant, Broten (it's a shame his jersey hangs in Dallas) and I'd even go with Lindsay Whalen.
And if you really want to go back, George Mikan of the Minneapolis Lakers.
@@Charles_Groebs AP??
THE FACT THAT THE BEST PLAYER IN WOLVES HISTORY DOES NOT HAVE HIS JERSEY RETIRED IS SO EMBARASSING.
For real
Feels like they the Detroit lions of the NBA...very sad ...twolves are cursed
I never want to see the Timberwolves win it all until they do so
timbercunts
I'm not sure but I believe teams gotta register with the league offices before a decision like "JERSEY RETIREMENT".... it only makes sense because you gotta register the league offices before a number change, trades, and free agent signings.....
Anytime someone complains about AD not having help remind them that KG was carrying 200 lb trash bag teammates to the playoffs in Kobe and Tim Duncan's Western Conference
facts
AD had Jrue and boogie , but one of them always got hurt lol
sam cassell, latrellll,
I do remember him talking trash after beating the Spurs in a first round playoff game, claiming the Timberwolves would "shock the world". For what it's worth, San Antonio ended up winning that series 3-1 (and on top of that, San Antonio only lost 1 more playoff game the rest of the way; Game 3 of the Finals). So much for "shocking the world".
Not just to the playoffs, but to the top seed and the WCF.
Best part of a “Beef History” video is an ad for Plant-based beef
😂
What you been looking up!?
Hungry jacks ad? 😂
Beef History: Plants vs. Cows
"They just mad we been eatin' them for so long, now those plants want to take our jobs as food." - cows
Talk about a sign
Kevin Garnett on the t-wolves deserved so much better than he got early in his career. He was incredible on defense, an incredible shooter for a big-man and arguably the most impactful player in the league during his peak.
Arguably top 5 power forwards of all time and Minnesota FO absolutely wasted him in his prime. Disgusting
You guys should try the greatest peak series by thinking basketball. They just did an episode on him
@@ggMwaniki Not even arguable, he's for sure Top 5 at power forward. Hell apart from Duncan and maybe Dirk I'd say he's the best. And yea, it's disgusting how inept they were surrounding him. They lose four draft picks and then lose any good playmaker they ever got.
@@akshaysundru482 i have duncan #1, with barkley, KG, malone and dirk after. i think you can order the top 5 any way you want tbh. although dirk would be at the bottom of my list. the other 4, i have seen all of them ranked #1
@@ggMwaniki Maybe if he didn’t ask for the biggest contract in history, they could’ve paid some other guys to be with him. That’s on him. He took a pay cut with the Celtics and all of a sudden, title. Not a coincidence
“Alienated Cassell” No way that was on accident
Lmao
was looking for this comment
Are you trying to insinuate that Sam Cassell looks like Roger from American Dad?
@@TheTwinkiefoot No he looks like ET, who decided not to phone home since he can ball
That's featured on the Collapse episode: czcams.com/video/B3WHIJqza5I/video.html
It's hard being a wolves fan.
Being a Minnesota sports fan is just constant pain
Facts
hornets fan here: I feel ya.
Knicks fan here. I feel ya
Cavs fan here: I feel ya
I liked the video despite hating the topic that’s being narrated. Glen Taylor is among my most disliked people. RIP coach Saunders.
Rip coach saunders, but fire Ryan saunders
@@henrylupkes211 he got fired today lol
@@veezy3933 les gooooooo
RIP Wade Boggs may you greet Flip at the pearly gates
Love Flip Saunders and how they doing him too Is a disgrace within it self..
The Minnesota Timberwolves beef with being successful would be an entire documentary lmao
l i s t e n
Docu series with a trilogy follow up
Wizards would be worse. Perennial mediocrity.
@@kalstonii you're not wrong lol. Although I can't talk too much since they kicked the crap out of my team in a playoff upset a few years back haha
That one line-- "he dedicated the 2008 championship to us"-- you have no idea how much that means to me as a Minnesotan and a wolves diehard. We really believed we had a special relationship with him that went beyond star and city and he really validated that for us when thanking us was his first intelligible priority after the anything is possible roar. So hope his 21 can finally join his close friends Seimone Augustus, Lindsay Whalen and Rebekkah Brunson and of course Malik Sealy on the target center rafters once glen is out of the picture
Honestly I feel like KG doesn’t get enough respect for how he carried that team through thick and thin. Imo he might be a top ten all time player for what he was capable of in his prime. Maybe the most captivating player that I ever watched.
Mj, Kobe, Shaq, Duncan, Magic, Bird, Kareem, Bill Russell, Wilt, LeBron, Hakeem, so who is kg replacing in that top 11? None
There’s an argument for him replacing Kobe
@@MrProatlas Wilt too IMO. Wilt's a weird player.
@@MrProatlas Lol! Sure, bud! 😆
@@MrProatlas bruh where?
I haven’t heard the words “Wally Szczerbiak” in a minute.
I only remember him being Wally Sippin On Some Sizzurp
He does the Knicks pregame and postgame shows lmao
I always remember the three stock white guys on the T-Wolves: Szczerbiak, Tom Gugliotta, and Christian Laettner lmfaooo
I love this dude so much. KG is the most loyal guy ever. He would've stayed in MN and lost his whole career if the team didn't trade him. When he shouted out 'Sota after the Celtics won was the closest I'll ever get to rooting for an NBA champion.
It's a shame now that after KG KAT is now wasting his prime years there that team his ridiculously horrible
KAT is a big part of the problem tbh. Why is it that when Lavine, Butler and Wiggins have left playing for that organization, they’ve become much better players? Why is it that Thibs’ teams in Chicago and New York have been at the top of the league defensively but Minnesota was always near the bottom under him? You can’t just blame the organization without bringing fault to a guy whose feelings have been placated by the organization for the last several seasons - that Russell trade might go down as one of the worst in recent history yet the deal was made because Towns didn’t like Wiggins and Russell is his best friend
Don't forget all the years we wasted Kevin Love.
@@matthewelmore6567 the culture was established before KAT got to Minn Wiggins was suppose to be the next Kobe remember? Their inability to motivate and develop him goes up and down the entire organization KAT wasn't gonna come in and change all of that they just empowered him last year by going to get D LO....ive been a T Wolves fan since the KG deal and if you look at what they've done since no player can thrive in that environment
@@matthewelmore6567 lmfao. That's all a lie
1. Lavine was extremely young with them,he was going to get better no matter where he went.
2. Butler didn't get better or worse when he left.
3. Wiggins ain't no better now than when he was in minnesota.
You literally just big capped.
Kat is soft af
R.I.P. Flip Saunders. That picture at 5:15 seriously had me in tears back when Flip passed away. It's one of my favorite basketball pics of all time. All of us TWolves fans loved his characteristics and loyalty. As did KG.
KG put his heart and soul into the Timberwolves and this is how he's treated
As time goes on, Glen Taylor looks more and more like Gollum
😂
😅😅😅😅😅
He's rich af
Not as much as Sam Cassell does
Glen Taylor is Jerry Jones without the championships.
If jerry Jones was a bigger douchebag and wasn’t good at running a team.
At least Jones tries to be good
@@syuhaguawuwhapwb6124 Jerry is okay at owning a team, but he’s terrible at managing it. Worse still, he refuses to see that it was Jimmy Johnson that helped get those Super Bowls.
Jerry Jones is also making huge loads of money off suffering people in Texas at the moment and I’m positive if Taylor had the opportunity he’d jump to it too.
I think Jerry at least cares. I am by no means a cowboy fan, but the Cowboys have actually been fairly good at drafting players, they just suck at getting decent coaches and doing contracts with players
If it wasn’t for Kevin Garnett, the Timberwolves would have been forced to move...
Yes
If it wasn't for kg the wolves would of gone bankrupt
They should be sold to Seattle
I never knew that Garnett had such a saga going on.
I gained a lot of respect for him in this video.
I would absolutely love for Garnett to own the Wolves. It's a goddamn fairy tale though, and I am with him 100% on Taylor being a snake. He has absolutely zero interest in the growth of the team, maybe he did early on but not in a very long time. Pretty sure though his intentions were to flip the team (Pardon the pun) the moment Saunders passed in order to rake in billions in profit but no one has yet even attempted to agree to his buyout price or terms.
I pray, I plead, I beg to whatever cosmic being listening for Garnett to own the Wolves. But I really don't think anyone with that kind of power or push is listening.
here’s a secret: almost no owners in all of professional sports have interest in the growth of the team, they just do enough to sell tickets
Practically all owners are like this. Old rich dudes that want more money, and have a small interest in sports. The Packers have the best system since nobody’s the owner and the fan base and team decides on internal matters.
@@matthewhadley9483 Maybe they need a better system to get Rodgers another ring lolol
@@luisc5323 yeah lol our coaches suck. We got a new defense coordinator
@@matthewhadley9483 If the fan base was really making decisions Jordan Love would have never been drafted
11:45 lmao I really thought Jim from the office was casually just reporting about KGs beef with Glen Taylor
I didnt know Flip had died....he was a great coach in Detroit for us, great guy too... RIP
How in the hell did you not hear about Flip Saunders dying???
@@cameronmccollough98 he’s either been living under a rock or his head is full of them maybe both lol
@@cameronmccollough98 How in the hell could anyone think Flip Saunders was a "great coach" for the Pistons? He let the players get completely out of control and they never made it back to the NBA Finals as a result.
I didnt pay much attention to the NBA between 2014 and 2017 due to college kicking me in the butt and the pistons did go to the eastern conference finals 3 straight times and led them to the best regular season the team has ever had....hes one of 3 successful coaches the pistons have ever had.....Detroit sports has a pretty low bar
@@raymondfrisbie8084 you right about that
KG is the first stretch big who could guard all 5 positions.
He's the start of the evolution of the 7 footer. Nobody his size played like him prior to him.
I like to think that Bam Adebayo is like a modern day KG, but with slightly worse offense.
As a long suffering Wolves fan, this team will never even make the second round again until Glen Taylor sells the team.
Are we gonna see a MJ vs Krause beef history in the making???
Krause vs The Bulls
Wasn’t it already discussed in length during the last dance
@@GoatGonzie yes but Last Dance is produced by MJ.
And that’s when it became personal for me
@@antonioalejandrocaroalvare5864 if you wanted that you may as well watch the last dance Krause and Jordan beef was built different
The timberwolves need to build a statue for kevin garnett outside of the arena.
Coming out after "The Greatest Peaks" feature on KG... nice
If KG never gets drafted by Minnesota, the Timberwolves don't exist as a franchise anymore in a city that quite frankly only cares about hockey and the Vikings...and the Twins from time to time. Bottom line. The owner of the Wolves is a huge bastard
Also fun fact: Joe Smith was drafted #1 in the draft that also had KG. Oooof.
I live in Minnesota & literally no one talks basketball here...its all Vikings & hockey like u said...Twins from time to time.
Seattle working on sumn
@@christophermiller6835 KG was the only reason to pay any attention to those T-Wolves teams back in the day. And honestly, if you had to come up with a list of Top Ten Timberwolves of all time, who would even be on the list?
I love the Twin Cities and I want to see the Wolves succeed, but their ownership is dogshit with zero integrity whatsoever
@@christophermiller6835 That's simply because the Timberwolves have been bad for so long so there's nothing to really talk about there. Otherwise people talk basketball a lot at least in the cities.
2:55 "Grant Hill and Kevin Garnett are the two main NBA stars of the future..."
That aged like Derrick Rose's knees.
Don't forget about Brandon Roy's knee's as well 😔
@@cameronmccollough98 Amare's Knees too.
That wasn't wrong...They were both awesome in their prime. Hill's downfall was bad luck and bad decisions with injuries. He came in 3rd for MVP one year(behind MJ and Malone).KG pretty much fulfilled his potential . He just kept running into this killer name Tim Duncan. He actually should of never re-signed with the Wolves...At least he finally came to his senses and got the chip in the back end of his career.
Garnett was the closest wolves will ever come to relevancy. Feel bad for Minnesota fans
Kevin love tho
@@changedpace9169 they never made the playoffs with him
I feel real bad for KG, for as of a chaotic player he was, he's insanely level headed and smart and just genuinely a good dude and loves Minnesota more than anybody, he deserves ownership more than anybody
And now Flip Saunders' son Ryan is an NBA champion with the Denver Nuggets!!
I know Flip would be proud.
KG will forever be my favorite player
I loved him on the Timberwolves but once he came to my Celtics it was like a dream come true then add Ray Allen it was the icing on the cake
Blasphemous that his jersey is not already in the rafters.
@Jb berry ...............
Kg says and does what he wants and it's so funny sometimes😂
liking for that little bit of extra editing at 14:57 - while the entire 16 minutes was great, I really appreciate going hard until the end
God as a wolves fan this is so depressing but very well done.
It’s BS. Lol His 120 million contract extension killed the wolves to get any caliber free agents. You must be young.
KAT leads the team in all time 3’s. He was drafted in 2015. This franchise is a joke
Yo 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 and to top that he's a center
Sounds like kat needs to stop shooting 3s
and they were in the league since 85. Even the Heat have a greater history than them. lol
@@s_ame1135 '89, but your point still stands.
Dam I would of thought it was WALLY ZERBEYAK
It’s impossible not to love this series! Literally looked for a new one yesterday 😂🙏🏾
Ryan Saunders was fired while I was watching this video
The wolves is who really started the superteam era. Thank them for the ineptitude to realize what they had in KG
@@GDCDGC yeah but were they as successful as our era? I say our cause I'm 25 so I'll guess your around the same age. The wolves led to the big 3 Celtics, in which force the big 3 heat to come together, In which influence the likes of golden state and kd.
as a wolves fan from the twin cities i appreciate the love and respect given to Flip in the video... a real mn hoops legend
Oh how I missed beef, thanks for the upload!
Been a wolves fan my whole life. I remember early KG and old KG. Once Flip passed Taylor did screw him over and they need a new owner. I want Taylor gone
Detroit respects what he did for our city as well. Saunders, much love. You were paramount in our championship.
Facts💯💯💯
Petition to make untitled Vince Carter
Seconded
I've been Waitin on this one especially since you guys made the Minnesota Timberwolves special
KG’s jersey is STILL NOT retired. Smfh.
Man KG was close to being on Untitled I glad guys like him and Dirk got a ring before they left the game
Why must Minnesota sports always disappoint
especially my vikings, sighss
It's the price we pay for living in the most beautiful state in the country.
@@sethmaki1333yeah I love living here today I’m able to go play pond hockey then have an actual hockey game and then go bowling god bless minnesota
Imagine if the Lakers never went to L.A. Minnesota might be basketball royalty.
@@TheyCallMeSledge yeah
I never expected this episode but I loved It.
Another amazing piece of work ...this one breaks my heart for Flip and KG smh
What I always remember no mater -how obnoxious the players can sometimes be in this social media age- is that the owners are almost always a whole new level of scum.
Kevine Garnett was manna from heaven for a franchise like the 'wolves and they never missed a chance to botch their relationship with him.
Unbelievable.
I still can't believe how they fired Sam Mitchell. They played their asses off for Sam.
Sam was one of the most underrated coaches ever
Need many more of these. They’re too good.
Great video, thank you
I loved the Garnett, Speedwell, Cassell TWolves team, that was one of the best of the era, too bad they didn't win and were only together a couple years.
The fact that #21 haven't retired in Minnesota, made me feel good about the state of their franchise.
Thank you Seth. I was waiting on this one.
I've been watching y'all forever and it's awesome to watch the videos just improve every time
Collapse: Detroit Tigers
Deep Rewind: Philly special
Beef History: McGregor and Khabib
Collapse: Oilers of the 90's
Deep Rewind: Rocky Mountain Rainbow
Beef History: Paul Brown vs. Cleveland Browns
Collapse: How the Eagles went from winning the 2018 Super Bowl and came crashing back down to the level of mediocrity they're used to in just 3 years.
Untitled: Donovan McNabb
@@msolec2000 I don't think he's good enough to get one of those. A collapse episode of the Andy Reid Eagles would be good though.
@@msolec2000 Untitled: Terrell Owens
Retire KG’s Number Damn! Rip Filp Saunders .
I always love these type of videos
Great video. Keep up the good work Secret Base.
I’ve lived in Minneapolis my entire life, and Flip dying was TOUGH
Rest In Peace Flip Saunders
this video is soul-crushing. and also very, very well done
Great video
OK, KG is an icon. But what I am wondering now is: How did Donovan McNabb finish his career Untitled?
Glenn Taylor is arguably the worst owner in sports history
I never knew this nice upload 💯
“Rests on a bed of beef”
So poetic somehow
"Then Minnesota *alienated* Cassell"
What you did there....I see it
yeah because Cassell looks like a damn alien
👽
Why couldn't they win a ring with Latrell Sprewell? He always choked.
Y’all got me with that John Krasinski
Lol me too
On a radio show he's on every week, his intro is literally: "No, he's not that guy from The Office, and no, he's not the Duke basketball coach..."
this might be your best video yet
Simple you guys upload I watch loving the beef history and untitled also collapse is up there too great content
I mean Kevin Garnett and "not wanting to win"/"tanking"
Top 10 things that are impossible
Also KG: "ANYTHING IS POSSIBLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!"
Kevin McHale does not get nearly enough credit for being a consistently terrible exec and nearly as bad coach.
always love when y’all cover my minnesota sports teams and the wonderful disasters they are
great video Seth
That crazy while watching this I got a notification that said they just fire their head coach Ryan Saunders.
Your story is good, but saying that Garnett "wasted his prime" in Minnesota, just isn't true.
That's what a star does, yes the organization made mistakes, but he made all-star teams, was MVP and an all-nba player. He tried to make them competitive because that's what a star player does. Just because they weren't successful in terms of winning a title, doesn't mean he just wasted his time there.
Never really thought of it like that
I'm glad someone gets it! This whole talk of 'wasting a player's prime' is ridiculous. Most star players in any sport will never have a consistent championship contending team around them.
If the goal of your career is to win championships as a team then when they say he wasted his prime that statement is applicable.
All star selections MVP awards are individual awards and are commendable feats but in the landscape of sports today if they don't include championships there will always be voices that diminish them.
Ultimately KG got his championship when he left and went to the Celtics but I don't believe wanted to leave to get a title for another team.
I remember the years that he was in Minnesota and not to make it sound corny but he was a big part of the community there and it seemed like he liked being there and wanted to win there.
In a lack of better words the wolves wasted KG prime which in turned he wasted his prime there
@@cameronmaloney2786 no he didn't waste his time. They went to the western finals. He made them competitive. It's a small market team that wasn't going to attract stars. Yes they made mistakes, but he was the driving force as to why they won games. If he's on another team, does he win MVP? Does he win the individual awards while trying to make a run? Who knows. So did Dirk waste his prime in Dallas because they didn't win? They won later, but they didn't win until he was older.
Has Dame wasted his prime?
Did Westbrook was his prime in OKC?
Did Harden waste his prime because Houston didn't win?
Steve Nash didn't win, so I guess he wasted his prime in Phoenix, they didn't win a title.
Iverson wasted his prime, they didn't win in Philly, he was the best player with not a ton of great guys around him, so that means he wasted his prime then right?
Jokic is just wasting his prime away right? He won the MVP in Denver and he hasn't won yet, so is this just a big waste of time?
What about Embiid, is he wasting his time in Philly because they haven't won yet?
all these great players, clearly they just wasted their primes because they didn't win with the teams they played on.
So just because you didn't win a championship, even though you were a competitive team for X amount of years that means you just wasted your time?
Not everyone's going to win a title dude. What makes some of these players great, is that they're able to compete with little to nothing on their roster and carry their teams somewhere, just because you don't win right away in your first 5 or 10 years in your career, doesn't mean you're just wasting your time.
I am a huge Garnett fan and I was glad he got a ring. Because before the Wolves came to Minnesota, my uncle had gotten to be a Celtics fan. He lives and breathes anything Celtics. So that was my team and the Timberwolves moved into the passenger seat next to the Boston Celtics.
It’s the best feeling when I watch when of these and I hear Seth, He’s undoubtedly the best storyteller on CZcams
KG was the best fantasy player of his generation. Every damn fantasy team wanted him while he was in his prime.
RIP COACH SAUNDERS❤️
Love some good beef in the morning!
Hell yeah love when I see this upload
I find it so funny that KG associates himself so much with Celtics and the city of Boston and barely even acknowledges Minnesota these days. Yeah he won his ring in Boston didn't even spend half as much time there as he did in Minnesota. You'd think he'd have a duel loyalty thing going like Payton Manning has with Denver and Indy. But the Wolves burnt the bridge so hard while the Celtics embraced KG post retirement.
As a life long wolves fan, this just breaks me man… KG deserves to have his jersey retired by this franchise, and I want him around this organization for the rest of his life
Bruh this channel is the BEST❤️💯😂👑😇🔥
Rip flip 🪦 a humble guy 💯💯✊🏾💪🏾