Intel Takes the Throne: i5-13600K CPU Review & Benchmarks vs. AMD Ryzen
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This review looks at the Intel i5-13600K CPU vs. the AMD Ryzen 5 7600X, Intel i9-13900K, and older Intel and AMD CPUs. Our 13600K benchmarks include power, gaming, production, and more. Intel's Core i5-13600K should already be released, with pricing more closely tied to the R5 7600X than anything else. This makes the mid-range PC class fiercely competitive now, with a lot of options at around the same pricing, and we expect price drops sometime in the next few months.
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00:00 - Intel i5-13600K CPU Review vs. 13900K
00:56 - The Hidden Cost of AMD vs. Intel CPUs
02:55 - Motherboard Cost
03:57 - Total Platform Cost Added Together
05:42 - Power Consumption of i5-13600K vs. AMD Ryzen 5 7600X
06:49 - Single-Core Power Testing
07:06 - Power Efficiency Test (13600K)
08:33 - Gaming Benchmarks - CSGO CPU Tests at 1080p & 1440p
10:40 - FFXIV Best CPUs 2022 (13900K vs. 7700X, 13600K)
11:29 - Rainbow Six Siege CPU Benchmarks
12:18 - Tomb Raider CPU Tests on RTX 4090 & RTX 3090 Ti
14:10 - Far Cry 6 CPU Benchmarks on 13600K vs. 7600X (4090 & 3090 Ti)
15:42 - Cyberpunk 2077 CPU Benchmarks with RTX 4090
16:14 - Blender Cycles CPU Rendering (Best CPUs 2022)
17:26 - Chromium Compile CPU Speed Programming Benchmark
18:09 - Compression & Decompression CPU Benchmarks Intel vs. AMD
19:15 - Adobe Premiere CPU Benchmarks
19:56 - Adobe Photoshop CPU Benchmarks
20:28 - Conclusion: Intel i5-13600K CPU
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The fact that the 4090 allowed AMD's own architecture to stretch it's legs enough that the 7000 series pulled ahead of the 5800x3D was super impressive in this as well, which I think speaks volumes towards just how powerful that GPU is, that it was able to reveal previously unrecognized CPU bottlenecks as well. The next year is definitely going to be interesting, I wonder if AMD will be able to take the crown again with new x3D releases
That's Great News, Back to you Steve. Sorry couldn't resist.
I would like if you can add a slide to compare ddr4 to ddr5 using a 13600k cause this would be the last time we can really compare them to a new processor so I can check if its worth to go for ddr5
Really interesting how you're testing the 13600K with DDR5, but when you're having those "real talk" moments about platform cost, there's only DDR4 paired with the i5 as shown in the table. There's no talk about how the CPU's DDR5 performance relates to its DDR4 performance, yet you're giving advice towards pairing the 13600K with DDR4 based on DDR5 performance.
Ya'll are legit legends for including the older Ryzen CPUs in your tests/graphs. It's super nice for people who don't upgrade every year.
I hope they keep the Legendary 3600 around for awhile
Nah, legit legends would still have the 3770k on the chart as I'm still using one!! lol 😁
Absolutely, my son was rocking an FX-9590 for a couple of years since they were so cheap for the longest time, BUT the benefit to not heating the room, is a definite advantage.
@@jackofspaidz_ likewise with my 3300x :D managed to get it for $120 before the shortages hit in 2020.
Agreed. They were legit the only channel comparing the 2080ti to the 4090. Like the 2080ti is just two generations why not compare them?
Lighting and color grading improvements did not go unnoticed! Really appreciate the bump in production value!
Absolutely agree, finally, good for you guys! 😊👍
@@BlackhatAudio less saturated
@@BlackhatAudio Didnt you notice the foreground and background are now much more vivid and saturated?
So what is it? More saturated or less? Or nothing? I think nothing since those cancel out.
I actually dont like this fake ass side lighting. Older one was better. This one is LOUD.
I remember a time when nothing happened to CPUs for a long while, but now it's a CPU war. Fun to see.
And a great time for good deals too! with people buying a new GPU and CPU it means I can get their "old" parts for cheap
The "feirce competition" that has led to a 6 core costing 30-50% more than a 6 core a couple years ago.
@@cm01 Intel wasn't even making 6 core chips part of their i7 line up until the 8700k unless you count the one 6700k but after that they did the 7700k which again was 4 cores it's more like amd is raising the price now that they are in a better position while Intel couldn't even lobby congress enough to help with their new fab meaning the need to actually compete and lower their prices again like they are competing against 3rd gen Ryzen
@@LlamaCraft a 2600 and 10600K were both $220 or less most of the time. 3600 as well. Did you forget all that? Where are these $300 price points coming from?
@@cm01 bro again Ryzen was a good thing for and forcing Intel into subservience to sell products and the 10 series got such a bad rep (rightfully so) that they had to sell them cheaper a 12600k cost 280 if you want a 10 core CPU that apparently is overpriced for a 6 core
The total platform cost table was awesome! I'd love to see this when comparing CPUs in the future!
Steve isn't being misleading, since he tells us his system setup, but the example platform cost table doesn't tell you the whole story, in addition to being a snapshot in time. The platform cost row with the i5-13600K uses much slower DDR4-3200, which for 32GB is now almost half the price of DDR5-6000, which is what he actually benchmarked the i5-13600K with.
For instance, the i5-13600K price is now $250 (-$130), and the 5800X3D price is now $300 (-$40), compared to 4 months ago. All told, for a fair comparison as per the test bench conducted in this video, and additionally factoring in cost of a CPU cooler (since you can't run the CPU for long without it), today the example cost of the i5-13600K with 32GB DDR5-6000 would be closer to:
$250 CPU + $80-$160 cooler + $150 32GB DDR5-6000 + $200 (cheapest new) Z690 motherboard = $680-$760 before other essential parts.
While the example cost of the 5800X3D would be closer to:
$300 CPU + $40 cooler + $80 32GB DDR4-3200 + $80 (cheapest new) B450 motherboard = $500 before other essential parts.
In games like FFXIV especially, 1% lows with the i5-13600K would likely drop below the 5800X3D using DDR4-3200. There's a huge difference between the FFXIV benchmark and actual game play, where 1% lows of the i5-13600K with DDR4-3200 would get hammered in areas with dozens or hundreds of players, and special effects going off all at once. Whereas the 5800X3D wouldn't take as much of a hit due to having 4x as much L3 cache, so the slower DDR4 speeds don't make as much of a difference.
Another pricing factor (which can be forgiven in being overlooked, since stock values are being tested) is that the 5800X3D can be undervolted much more than the i5-13600K while maintaining full performance under load. With 1.02v on a 5800X3D, temperatures are reduced by over 10 degrees celcius in any given setup compared to stock voltage, which allows a cheaper (but good) air cooler like a $40 Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE to be used.
The i5-13600K can be undervolted lower than that in idle, but it will automatically go back up and draw what it needs under load, which is about 1.22V. Steve tested using the $160 Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360. The i5-13600K needs that kind of cooling to attain the turbo boost of 5.1GHz on all performance cores with good thermals, but could get away with an $80 cooler for running at stock as tested. So thats +$40-120 onto the i5-13600K system vs what the 5800X3D system needs.
So really, the 5800X3D has the overall cheaper point of entry into a relatively higher end gaming system compared to the i5-13600K. Such that it would rightly also cannibalize the 7600X due to higher cost of entry into the AM5 platform.
@@savagej4y241 The costs also depends from where you live , here a 7600/7600x costs around 215 euros while the i5-13600k costs around 320 euros . A goob mobo intel B-chip is around 135 euros while a AMD b-chip is 160 so with shame ddr5 6000 cl30 (110 euros) ram the total combo cost is around : Intel 320+135+100= 555 euros (607$)vs Amd 215+160+110= 485 euros ( 530$). The funny things is for X and Z chips the cost is too close , since you pay around 220-250 euros for Z chips while for the same X-chip you pay around 250-270 euros xD .
@@Crazymusician345 That's a fair assessment! AMD in general seems to be overpriced in Europe very frequently...
@@savagej4y241what would you recommend today ? There is a 250$ i5 12600k bundle or a $400 7700x bundle I would rather put the $150 towards a gpu maybe $250 for an Intel arc or an old nvidia say 2060 I was looking for stealing a 4070 for $350 but it seems unlikely
GN needs to record videos like this from now on. The lighting looks great y'all!
They look great. I do still prefer the original lighting as this particular set up is heavier on the shadows.
Steve looks majestic with t he new lighting.
Throw in some smooth jazz or jazz flute
@@misterfamilyguy mood lighting, his flowing locks - shoot, Steve can game my nexus.
Well, when the combined power draw of CPUs and GPUs teeter on the edge, and sometimes exceed a kilowatt, you sort of have to turn off the lights a little. Having to repeatedly test different configurations several times to create bottlenecked situations to better represent a component's power also doesn't help. Their monthly energy bill must have risen quite high, I reckon. These high-end desktop components are not called space heaters for nothing.
The whole competition thing is bringing out the best party tricks from both companies, which means that the CPU market hasn't been this hot, literally and figuratively, in a long time.
Hot literally 😂😂
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i just hope we get the same thing for gpus. speed is great and all, but i need good 200$ options in every category.
This is what happen when amd come on top i wish amd is on top for gpu as well i rather see amd a top then intel and NVIDIA Go amd goooooooo
Just crazy to see 13600k beating 7700x in some games. I am glad i got the 13600k. If i were to go 7700x route, i would be spending at least $350cad extra.
I went for 13600K and im surprise my rig went well under budget.
Is not crazy, it has higher IPC and more threads, even the i7-12700K should lead over that Ryzen chip.
Same, 13600K has been a solid upgrade vs. my previous 8700K.
i5-13500 also is nice, it seems to be a good upgrade option from my old i7-7700. I looked at Passmark CPU benchmarks list to see if AMD can offer anything close to the ratings of 13500, but somehow I cannot find any of those AMD CPUs in stores in my country for about the same price as 13500, which is 260 EUR. For example, 3900X costs 450 EUR in the cheapest stores in my country. Maybe Intel has a lobbyist campaign here or something 😀 7700x and 13600k both cost almost 100 EUR more than 13500, so I'm not considering them. I'll have B660 o B760 motherboard, so no overclock and not much use for K edition. Also, I'll be using this PC for work all day long and it's better to have lower energy consumption overall.
@@camelCased 13400f isn't bad either for its price, although it's performance is lot less, should be paired with max a 4060 ti or equivalent gpu
Best reviews on CZcams, hands down. All the information I was looking for in an easy to digest style. Thanks GN, keep it up!
I really love the efficiency graph, I wish more reviewers would implement similar tests in their benchmarks.
Check out "der bauer English" review, it cover a lot about the efficiency of the cpu.
@@much_Doggo I know Der8auer and since I'm German I can avoid his accent. ;)
Still, Roman and Gamers Nexus are the only ones that put effort into comparing efficiency that I know.
I'm playing RE village on a 5600x I just cap the game to 60fps cuz 120fps is unnecessary, the CPU usage is like 5% during gameplay xD
@@Donnerwamp Techpowerup also does very good efficiency testing.
checkout Hardware Unboxed, they make efficiency and platform cost per frame more and more central to their reviews lately
I’m really excited to see the non-k SKUs. With them apparently all having e cores now, it sounds like they’ll be extremely competitive in the budget segment.
12100 is the budget king right now
I think all SKUs below 13600 is alderlake and not raptorlake, idk how much that really matters though.
Non K skus will be alderlakes
I wish they would do a cheaper high end 8 core without the e-cores, sort of like they do F skus without the iGPU.
e cores are useless for gaming. would rather have main cores OC able. Rather have an i5 6c/12t with 5.0 GHz than 4.3 GHz with some useless e cores.
Gotta say, I am really really happy to see you guys incorporating some real metrics for price-to-performance and performance-per-watt. As these hardware combinations become more convoluted, the FPS charts start to lose a bit of their context. These metrics makes a huge difference to buyers who don't have the time and the wherewithal to do the math on the wide variety of options.
Great work GN as always, the thorough testing is impressive! As someone who sits on a now older Intel system (9700K) I do wonder how these older chips stack up to newer counterparts and how much value is actually gained from potential upgrades - not just raw performance but also potentially performance/watt.
I saw Derbauer doing some very interesting testings with power limiting the 13900K and reaching truly impressive efficiency results for the performance it could deliver, reaching close to 90% of its peak performance while at a wattage level low enough to still be aircooled just fine. THAT is impressive. But I'd also love to see more independent testers verify these results and show their own findings.
I also have the 9700k and was just saying how they haven't had them on charts for several generations and it's only 4 gens old, 3 if you exclude the nonexistent 11th gen. The last video that had it was the 10700k video I think.
I have that same cpu paired with a 3060ti, but I’m curious to see it vs this i5,
@@stevenjohnson1692 non existent 11th Gen ??? Ummmm how about BEST BANG FOR BUCK of that generation the 11400f.
Here I am on a 6700k.. I really need to upgrade holy dann! Can’t wait
@@legowelt0809 12600k has gone on sale a few times in the last week or so ,, fine with a B660 DDR4 if your on a budget like I am :)
Whether your team Red or Team Blue you have to admit it is so awesome to see AMD and intel constantly having to step up their game and create better products. Lets not forget those dark days where AMD offered no competition allowing intel to coast and all of us to suffer. These are good days to be a PC enthusiast.
yeah we all know this, everyone has to keep posting this comment to keep the fanboys at bay I see
Yea they trying to win the crown of hottest cpu of all time literary 😂
I think that when RDNA3 launches, it will be a GREAT time to build a PC as there will be new CPUs AND GPUs so the high-end buyers will have a new toy to spend their money on and the budget gamers will enjoy the low prices of perfectly fine last gen hardware 🙂
@@Get-Rekt this right here is the truth that budget gamers everywhere hope comes to pass.
@@crylune I Know right??? TEAM RED SECRETLY CRYING HAHAHA
Damn, I was planning to upgrade to the 12700k a few weeks ago. So glad I've waited for the 13 gen benchmarks before buying.
This is really impressive work! I have never seen a review like this. Thanks alot!
Very impressed with Intel, excited to see more in depth videos comparing 13th gen on DDR4 and 5 to AM5.
oc3d / overclock3d has a youtube and and article on website comparing ddr4/ddr5 with 13th gen…
Why, DDR4 is dead. Just Buy new platform with DDR5 and move to 2020s
For real I'd say they've taken the CPU crown back from AMD for now. Outdoing them in value and performance in the low and mid range and basically matching AMD at the high end.
@@CNTRI715 And they have the next year covered as well, AMD may hold it for few months as 7800XD comes out, but meteor lake drops in 2023 as well. AMD has no answer till late 2024
@@DuBstep115 actually, it's meteor lake .
Great to see competition arise between AMD and Intel, it is great for us. Great content, your technical charts are just what i wanted to know.
AMD is going to have to improve a lot to compete
Great job as always! Very happy to see competition in this market.
We need to see some benchmarks on a DDR4 platform to really see what kind of performance can be expected on the budget platform. Great vid!
Yeah, with all the ddr4 talk, I am surprised there was no benchmarks for it.
I saw some benchmark on some other channels. As of now DDR4 and DDR5 RAM have not much difference in performance. DDR5 is a bit better. But not to the point of excusing the extra cost.
@@parzival3632 I think the extra cost of am5 motherboards over the 13600k with ddr4 motherboards gets you years of potential processor upgrades and other features. Being cheaper with ddr4 over ddr5 at the moment may be a false economy for many buyers.
@@gerryh6385 not very relevant if you only upgrade every 6 years :/
@@jkahgdkjhafgsd if you upgrade every 6 years then I don't think you are a 13600K buyer
This channel has came a long ways since I first started watching it (all for the good of course). Thank you Steve and everyone at GN!
Thank you for all your testing and hard work!
Really excited for the 13600k! I know you're busy, but when you get a chance it would be nice to know if the contact frames from the 12th gen still work with the 13th gen and if they give the same temperature reduction as with the 12th gen.
It shouldn't really matter for an i5, the main issue with the i9 was that it was getting a lot hotter and that small coverage difference mattered. I've got an i5-12600K with a corsair 280mm AIO and even in a test that drives it at 100% like Cinebench R23 it never goes over 65c, so it doesn't hit the thermal throttle edge like the top-end parts.
That said, it's the exact same socket and IHS specs as 12th gen, so it should be assumed that it will work pretty much exactly the same.
@@1steelcobra I put it on mine so it won’t bend it idles at 28c
Hey, Tom's Hardware posted an article on this. They used the Thermalright frame. Essentially: no noticeable change in temps in the 13900k, between 3 and 12 degree reduction in temps in 13600k dependent on voltage limits.
The 13600k is really starting to look like the next 2500k. This CPU will almost certainly be more than good enough for AAA games going into the 2030s.
2500k was a great CPU!
lol no it will not be good enough that long unless you have low standards. Intel actually has competition now so cpus are about to move a lot faster than back in the day when AMD was putting out garbage to compete.
@@SPG8989 Not necessarily. Miniaturization is slowing down, while at the same time the price/transistor is actually going up, not down. There's not an infinite amount of options for improving the architecture, especially when you're stuck on x86 backwards compatibility.
@@SPG8989 Unless you wanted to hang your wallet to play 4K, any half decent cpu would be enough to push 10 years plus. Especially now that the gaming industry has basically saturated so much. There is zero reason to play game on anything above High and Very High settings. Most people are still playing games from 5-10 years ago, no one really care about new games that much anymore. Steam GPU stat shows that the majority of steam users are playing on the xx50 and xx60 cards, so the 13600k should be plenty to handle this kind of load for a decade at least.
The 12600K already kind of is the new 2500k
Holy cow!
Your set, the camera quality and the post production colours of the video are so amazing.
I was struck with "that's smooth af" the second I saw the set.
Well done GN team, that's quality!
I'm looking towards the 13700K, I think with its identical core count configuration as the 12900K we be able to compare directly if we get more performance out of the same core count/thermals/power draw.
Prety much what I am looking at but not due to consider an upgrade/replacement till next summer. Just does not seem to a point to i9 on the 12 and 13th gen CPUs. I would rather save some running cost and even under a heavy CAD or Game workload I doubt I would notice the difference.
I’m thinking the same thing and would love for them to benchmark it to really see how much if anything I’d lose with upgrading to the 13700 the thermals of the 13900 is just such an eyesore
Not sure if you saw, but Hardware Unboxed's review of the 13700K determined that it's basically the same as a 12900K that draws 5% more power (hotter) while being 10% faster. Not super impressive in my opinion (a 12900K is already VERY difficult to cool).
But at least the price to performance is significantly better than the 12900K.
Basically, if you already have a 12900K, there's literally no point to get a 13700K. Or even a 13900K, because that needs extreme cooling better than a 420mm AIO.
If your goal is frame time consistency, it's good to cap your FPS at ~85-90% of max you can get. Usually it's giving you some headroom, both in thermal and power, so when those harder frames start, gpu have some space for them go. How much it helps on the high end I don't know, but in my low-end example going from 70 to capped 60 brought lows from middle 20s to middle 30. Obviously it's not always like that, but I recommend it as it seems consistent throughout titles I used.
I kinda noticed that as well that some games have better frametime consistency when playing with V-Sync or when setting a frame limiter via RTSS. But I haven't done proper testing regarding that.
Very true, also a lot of the frame drops are engine related, as well as AA (especially MSAA), shadow and lighting effect related. The most noticeable graphics quality difference is in the texture and details, these also happen to be the least impactful/intensive. If you're willing to turn shadows down, use simple lighting/no RT, and reasonable AA (something like FXAA or TXAA is a lot less resource intensive than MSAA), you can get very consistent frametimes and actually high FPS with older hardware easily. You can still crank textures and details up to Ultra. Unless someone is looking very closely (instead of playing the game in the first place) you probably can't actually even notice a difference. I've been doing it this way for ages and sometimes it seems to outright piss people off that they've paid thousands of dollars for their setups and they can't actually see a difference on my older mid-range hardware.
Also the higher end hardware is artificially segmented. A 12400 with a bclk motherboard clocked at 5.3ghz meets or beats the 12900k at about a third of the total price. There is no reason outside of profits that Intel or AMD can't just offer a high clocked lower core count CPU for sale that would excel in gaming. They try to hide behind marketing to trick users into thinking there is something special for spending a lot more money. Games are still primarily driven by single core speed, and some also with cache sizes. The single core speed actually hasn't increased much over time, they mostly hit a soft wall roughly a decade ago.
It totally helps in lower mid level hardware. Im on 2 pcs, one with 12400f b660 16gig 3060 , and other with 12100f h610 16gig and 6600,
In valorant they both give well over 600fps, with vsycn on @144 , capping them at 88% gave me around 45% better frame times online and its a huge difference, especially when theres a lot of commotion on a site with many players with too many util being used.
Pfffft . Failed finger painting at kindergarten did we?
I cap mine at 161 fps, I've only got a couple of games that ever drop below that on max settings, but I rarely use them. Maybe this CPU will eliminate that very minor inconvenience?
Exactly what I wanted help figuring out!!!!! Thanks GN
Thanks for putting in the long hours to get this released on NDA day!
I’m glad competition like this is still going on, and I’m glad you and your team are here to spread the news to us
I give props to the comments … seriously I understand a lot of this on a basic lvl but a lot of other viewers really help break down the nuances in a very comprehensive way … not that the channel doesn’t but to think about there’s so many interesting and intelligent comments shows that you really have grown on everyone not just those who cannot perform these test themselves..
Just keep away from scammers like the comment above mine & AMD products (wich are the physical embodiment of these "contact me you are the winner"-comments)
Thank you for all the work you are putting into giving customers a broad spectrum of benchmarks! One topic that would be interesting for me (and maybe others too?) would be if EXPO provides an advantage for AMD platform users over XMP, because (at least in Europe) EXPO RAM kits do cost a bit more over (theoretically faster) XMP kits. For Example I could get a GSkill 6400 CL32-39-39-102 XMP kit cheaper than a 6000 CL30-38-38-96 EXPO kit. Another thing would if the memory controller of AM5 boards/CPUs got the same issues with 4 modules like Intel 12000 had.
Looking forward to the 13400 . Should be great performance and value
R5 7600 NO X
the 13400 is really going to take it to the 7600 I think
@@MHCP Ah yes, can't wait to put a 200$ cpu into a 400$ motherboard+ram combo, such great value.
@@MHCP will all come down to price. Raptor lake is a cheaper upgrade path with DDR4 compatibility.
Just wait for cheapest B650 and A620
This cpu might be one of the best intel releases ever, in gaming and productivity work you're getting close performance to the best cpus from the previous gen in the 12900k and 5950x, while offering a great price with ddr4 compatibility, well done intel.
The 13 family was the fastest ramp of a product in the history of the company.
While the i5 is super good, it's hard to say great price with DDR4, if you use DDR4 on the 13600k you're pretty much having alder lake like DDR5 performance or even worse.
Damn what a banger of a CPU. Best price-to-performance for gaming as usual, but now with the extra E-cores very competent in production loads too.
WOW your lighting way improved - well done - keep up the good work!
I really like the total system price going on there. I thought the total price for 5xxx ryzen was good because of board prices and ddr4 (and ddr4 board available). But Intel has taken the budget area amd is leaving open entirely which is crazy.
The problem with that is you can lose up to 20% using DDR4 with Intel 13th gen, outside of something like a 13400/F I don't see any value there
@@lupintheiii3055 Source : I made it up
@@harone3169 source: it occured to me in a dream
I made a separate comment on this, but bringing 'the total system cost' up and not showing benches that includes DDR4 test kind of males bringing that up pointless, since the intel socket is eol people that buy a DDR4 motherboard today will most likely not upgrade that later to a DDR5 motherboard later.
@@harone3169 He absolutely didn't, it depends on what you are using it for note he said 'up to' - in most instances it's obviously much less than that.
Thanks for the well organized data!
Just bought my first gpu ever last week( used 3080) and I think I am just going with the 12600k. It should be good enough for another gpu upgrade in the future.
I’m just popping in to congratulate you on that purchase, and I hope you enjoy the hell out of it.
For me 13600K costs only 10$ more than 12600K lol, an easy choice like this
at last, a very nice comparation video that explains in depth between power efficiency. instead of just benchmark scores
Thank you so much
Thanks for the comparisons. I'm going to upgrade my 12 year old 9770 this upcoming sale season to a i7 12th gen, but with the info you provided, I'm now going with a i5 13th gen and Z690 board using ddr4 RAM.
Z690 board and ddr5 are currently the same exact price as ddr4 boards and memory. GET THE DDR5
@@ihtenubz9697 where tf is *good* DDR5 RAM the same price as DDR4?
@@budgetbajur rip jaws s5 and Corsair vengeance are down in price by ALOT everywhere
I've always been a fan of the 600 series sku's, they've been a fantastic price to performance option in every generation.
9600K, 10600K and 11600K were complete no goes vs Ryzen 5 honestly.
@@raresmacovei8382 10600 was a steal price:performance. Pretty much all can OC to 5.0, or undervolt while holding 4.8. It was such a strong showing compared to the 9600, which did not have hyperthreading. All 11th gen was meh.
This is the info I've been waiting for! Since i'm priced out of GPU for at least another year I'm looking at GPU upgrades to eek out a little more in the interm, for emulation, FFXIV, and amateur video editing. Going from Gen 6 to 13 should be fun~
I'm still using an intel i7 6700k and have been for many years at this point. This winter I'm going to be finally dropping some christmas bonus money on a new motherboard, cpu and ram so your reviews are a great source of info for me!
just clock it at 5.0.. really no difference.
Thanks for the great review Steve. I think I am going to wait for the 7800X3D and 13700K and see how those 2 CPU's do in your tests before pulling the trigger. I need a new motherboard too and probably will go with a DDR5 board, hoping their idiotic prices will come down between now and January when the 7800X3D is released, allegedly.
5800x3d is the gaming king still, at least until new x3d CPU(s) drop from AMD
Sure but its bound to old memory. Will probably fall off quickly in the coming years. If anyone is in the market for new mobo, they should definitely skip the 5800x3d and wait for November.
@@alphen9676 i said 7800X3D, not 5800X3D!
Great review, 13600 looks impressive. Since you brought it up as one of the main competitors, I would've liked to see the 5800X3D in the 4090 game benches.
even though it's a limited production cpu, I'm curious about 5800x3d + rtx 4090 as well
@@proCaylak it's not limited production at all lol
Yes!
With 5800 3d going from 3090 ti to 4090, I seen almost no fps gain. 5800 can’t handle a 4090. I’m upgrading to 13900k. I should have listened to all the reviews saying it will bottleneck.
@@4gbmeans4gb61 At 1080p that is correct, at 1440p and above the 58003DX will be fine.
Man. The color grading in the video is so heckin NICE!
It would be neat to also show system idle power draw since a lot of us do leave our systems running during the day or even 24/7 and idling can account for a majority of system uptime.
This is starting to look like a good move up from my old i5-8400. Interested to see an evaluation of the 13700 for comparison.
D o I t
U know you want too
I said to myself "8400??? That sounds ANCIENT"
And them promptly remembered that my 4690k is probably older. I think it's time to upgrade...
@@aldousfoxly my family computer is still rocking a core duo lmao
@@aldousfoxly lmfao same cpu. Gonna upgrade after big UK nationwide exam season (june/july) but hope to get a 4790k to extend my 1070ti a bit before christmas
Yup. Definitely upgrading my i5 6600k to the 13600k. Now what to upgrade my 980ti to.... hopefully AMD shows some good things on Nov. 3rd.
If you're playing at 1080p then go with an Nvidia 3000 series. A 3070 with the 13600k would be insane and you would save a ton of money. 1440p I'd go with a 3080 or whatever you can afford. 4k = 4000 series
Buy z690-F or z690 master with hynix 2x16gb 120-150$
Those boards can push Hynix M die to 6800 stable, almost like a 2dimm boards
Really hoping they do a comprehensive video on good coolers, and cooling in general. I feel like now it's needed more than ever with these space heater parts people are shoving into their PC
Thank you for the great review! I'm still running a Xeon W3680 on the X58 chipset and its finally starting to show its age. The decision to go with the new i5 is easy to make after watching this review! The hard decision is get DDR5 or not...
13600K is a beast. Beating a 5800X3D & 7000 series overall in gaming & absolutely torching the 7600X/58003DX in production work. It's only $299 at Microcenter, crazy good deal.
The only thing that bothers me is did i really save that much in the long run since you are going to have higher power bills on Intel.
@@jayvee8502 It not that different -_-
yep 100$ cheaper than 5800x3D for the same and sometimes better performance. Insane value.
@@jayvee8502 if you're going to count an extra $15 bucks over time, then you should also count the AM5 platform cost which is double the price in terms of motherboards & also the forced DDR5 cost.
$15? You must live somewhere with solar or hydro. Or you mum pays your electricity.
Glad to see these two competing neck and neck. Both are valid options. Can't wait for those 3d chips though from AMD though. ;)
X3D chips were a big hit last time -- looking forward to seeing how they do this time!
I really can't see 2 cpus competing neck and neck here, to be honest. Either AMD cuts the 7600x to ~200 (which would translate to sub €300 here) or this won't be a competition.
@@matteo964 I meant the companies overall but your right AMD will need to cut pricing to compete and from the GPU side we know they are no strangers to doing so.
@@matteo964 They literally don't. It's the same cpu for the same price. AMD has a better platform. AMD wins
@@afriendofafriend5766 cope
i might be an intel fan now, really impressed by the numbers! thank you much for the video!
My Cybershirt arrived today (Scotland) and it's perfect. Thank you!
Great review. However, if you have a price table comparison that makes Intel looks better priced by having an older mobo and DDR4, it would be nice to also include benchmarks from such or also include the price of Intel on their latest board and DDR5...
But if you buy the latest stuff, you aren't a budget buyer. And even with future compatibility in mind, ddr4 today and ddr5 later makes more sense for the budget.
If you want the fastest, 13th gen uses faster DDR5 memory than the 7000 series as far as I know.
Thank you Papa... Yeeeaaahhhhh! 🤣 Thanks for all the hard work with these reviews Steve, I'm sure it's been crazy lately with all the releases haha! And I love that you're moving your film set around the testing lab to film a lot of the review in different places; Excellent lighting and colors!
New lightning and even better camera work and color grading, nice stuff!
Gamers Nexus is the boys to go to if you're looking to upgrade, very detailed and very informative, much appreciated, im upgrading from i5 9600k to 13600k.
As someone that cares more about efficiency than raw peak performance, I appreciate the Power Efficiency section. I would love to see it updated eventually to include some processors set to their more power efficient modes as well (e.g., AMD's Eco mode; I believe Intel has a similar option?).
Yes but isn't AMD's ECO mode not working properly on Ryzen 7000 right now?
Why do people care about efficiency so much? Thermals? Is it ignorant to just say buy a bigger power supply?
You can get much better performance when you undervolt/tdp limit both of AMD and Intel so power efficiency is kind of *irrelevant* here
If you care about efficiency, who even look at these?
@@jamesc3953 because a lot of people build ITX systems.
Lighting in this one looks particularly great. I think I missed this when E-cores were introduced a while ago, but I still don’t really know how they behave. Do you have a video that goes into when they kick in and how you might control that?
Yes this please. ^^
Great review, as always! Any plans to have a full review on the 13700K?
We are finally getting back into some exciting competition in the PC hardware game again.
The 13600K is the best CPU in a lot of generations imo since the 3600, maybe even better since the multithreading is nipping at the R9’s heels
The 13600K reminds me of the 3570K. It's so strong in gaming and has enough multicore performance that there's almost no need to look at anything else for a gaming-focused machine.
3600 lmao
@@Kryptic1046 i'm rocking an "old" 9700f and I'm thinking to upgrad to a 13600k/13400 when that drops. Value is insane, and the 9700 is starting to bottleneck at some modern games. It will be a perfect pair to my 3070
@@meurer13daniel - That would be a solid upgrade. I'm thinking of moving from a 10850K to the 13600K. The 10850 does well enough in games, but I play on a 120hz panel and the 10850 struggles to maintain 120 in some areas of CPU-heavy games like Cyberpunk and AC Origins & Odyssey. The 13600K is a very tempting option.
5800x3d i think is more deserving
Can't wait to see how the 13700k compares 🤔
It's on 7900x's level obviously (as 13600K beats both 7600x and 7700x by a margin)
@@xslvrxslwt I sure hope so, I was thrilled when the 12700k beat every Zen 3 CPU when that launched. It tied the 5950X only in some cases, but it was also literally half the price and has better RAM support and architecture lmao. Intel forever.......
@@xslvrxslwt I'm keen to see how the new AMD x3d CPU's compare when they release.. The 5800x3d can still hang with raptor lake so hopefully the 7800x3D is as impressive.. For me it's that or the 13700k that I'm interested in
@@Rob13Oz I believe X3D is purely for gayming so I'm not really interested, you don't even need ZEN4 or 12-13gen to game, even $150 CPUs won't bottleneck a 4090
@@xslvrxslwt Yeah provided you have a big display it's gpu bound, I'm starting fresh so I want something reasonable just for gaming
Thanks a lot for the review!
Now we are approaching the more interesting value for money territory I was waiting for. Very interested to see the other i5 and even i3 options.
If the 13600K compares this well, then I suspect that the 13400F will be one hell of a beast when it comes to budget builds and value.
its nice to see 13600k isnt power hungry like the 13900k...still very happy with my 5800x3d
Intel the midrange king once again. It's great to see. We might have the next i5-2500k on our hands.
Thanks for looking at full system costs for value comparisons!
A year ago all were only looking at CPU prices which was highly misleading.
Absolutely love your reviews- thank you for all you do! May I request a few 4k benchmarks in future videos too? At these hardware levels, 4k is super approachable- and I'd just love to be able to know how they perform when really being pushed. Thank you!
For this gen and last gen, I've been considering upgrading from my 1700. Honestly though I'm still quite satisfied with it, no matter how much Steve calls me out for having an old man CPU.
This looks like the go-to for gamers right now, but what makes me the most excited is how promising this is for the 13400F as a budget option, and potentially forcing AMD to release a 7600X3D which could be a mid range gaming monster.
7800x3D*
@@svn5994 They're going to do a 7800X3D no matter what though. More interested to see if this makes them release a mid range X3D.
@natsumei mass production already started ! I expect announcement at ces 23 and release around march.
The 13400F will be a 12600k with E cores disabled. You already know how it performs.
@@RafitoOoO it will be 6 P cores and 4 E cores.
Amazing video quality! Love it.
Also, amazing testing quality, of course!
Thanks! Please also review the 13700K next! 🙏
The upgraded lighting looks great and adds more warmth to the video.
Thanks for sharing! The 13600k is really incredible for the price to performance ratio. That’s going to be my new build in 2023! To make it perfect, the GPU prices need to come down a lot more to make PC building more appealing again.
I just build 13600K + asus 3070 dual OC gaming rig. For the price it still beats any gaming laptop at the similar price range. quieter, cooler , more stable and easier to service.
@@nafis6668 Owner of the 13600K too. I switched from i5 4690K. Insane improvement.
@@teeaymusik9811 it's cool to see the processor goes up to 5.1Ghz, it also adds FPS and reduce render time significantly 😁
@@nafis6668 Even with several programs open and games, the cpu is chillin at 2-5% usage lmao. And yeah for example loading screens at fallout 4 are 50% faster now. The speed is just enjoyable.
impressive lighting and colour edit in post in this video.
Just letting you know I didn't skip forward. You guys are great...no cap
Great review I5-13600k looks like a nice upgrade path for me. Right now I've got a Dell desktop i7-8700, 32GB of Ram, and an RTX 1050Ti. If I went I5-13600k, 32gb ram DDR4 /Mobo, and even an RTX3060Ti or used RTX3080 that would be a massive upgrade for modern games at 1440P 👍👍
xps 8930? i've got those same specs as well lol
@@explosivescrewdriveralarmm7609 LoL I got my at Costco and it was snail 🐌 slow caca till I added a M2 ssd and more ram . But I've gotten 5 years of good service out it and will keep for back up or second PC
@@cmdredstrakerofshado1159 thats so trippy... i got it from costco as well and added like a samsung 512 gb 970 evo m.2 as well as 16 more GB of corsair vengeance lpx ram lol
I am ordering the same specs, will it work with editing apps?
@@vivekshri uhh maybe? i'd recommend checking the spec requirement list for whatever application you plan on editing with
I'm currently looking into building a whole now PC and the last couple of weeks have been wild. I was originally going to go with the i5-12600K and a RTX 3090Ti, but it looks like I'll be going with the i5-13600K and either a 4090 or a 4080 depending on what the benchmarks end up showing.
Just buy a CPU, it isn't like either is gonna bottleneck for quite some time. And as for a GPU, if you can maintain the thermals, then go for the 4090, the benchmarks are waaaay over 3090 ti. Also go for a 1 kilowatt power supply to be safe.
Get the 4080 it’s a better looking number
If you have the money for a 4090, don't cheap out with an i5, you want at least the i7-13700k.
Verrry interesting. Thank you for the good work!
Hey GN, love your stuff. Will you be doing a similar video of the 13700? I’ve seen you’ve done the 13900 and 13600.
I think AMD's current competitor for the 12100f is the 5600 non-x which has been hovering around 130-140 for a while and is providing excellent value down there.
Great job by Intel gen 13th delivering very decent price to performance, meanwhile Amd has been a lot disappointing with Zen 4, not only Amd is overheating but also the Cpu itself is overpriced, r9 7950x is $150-200 more than i9-13900K still Amd can't beat Intel in full benchmark, not to mention Intel still compatible with DDR4. Intel totally destroyed Amd here.
@@runninginthe90s75 Agreed on that.. but it's the end of the road for Intel LGA1700 (660, Z690 & Z790) while AMD5 Platform will run for the next 3 years minimum (2022-2025)
A wise man will wait for B650 to hit below $150 spot & pick the non X veriants of Ryzen 7600 or 7700 (or 7800x3D in 2023) if U have the money & want the best Gaming king CPU in next year
@@Jack_Sparrow131 Most people don't upgrade after only 3 years anyway. Most need to change motherboard with every upgrade because of this either way.
The i3 12100 is 140 USD with a iGPU the 12100f is 105 USD. It makes no sense to buy AM4 at last you have the motherboard already. And we are talking about CPUs most people don't need. Most people can be happy with an i5 10400 maybe for the next 10 years. For gaming these new CPUs are just a bragging rights buy. Why a normal person would need more than 120fps? Even 60fps is enough and you can have 120fps with an i5 10gen in any competitive title, the i3 12gen is trading blows with the i9 10900k in gamin and we are talking about upgrading from 12gen?
For gamers, that's really good value. But it's a shame AMD completely bailed on the budget r3 line. Some of my friends and family want a ~$120 cpu with an igpu for browsing and light office work and most have been recommended the 12100 because it has no competition. There is demand for those cpus.
Intel is doing what NVIDIA could have done but hasn't... Gave us a REAL value/performance product for 90% of gamers 13600K is a BEAST! I ordered one today
You are gonna regret it with intel
Cancel the order nowwww
@@asdbef3667 Nah I'm good bro 👍 Thanks for the concern
@@Dlo_BestLife you wont be..its a Dead platform with no cpu upgrade
I dont understand how you guys still fall into intel monopoly
@@asdbef3667 I'm using a 12600k & my buddy is gonna buy it from me for $150. The total cost of $175 for a upgrade ain't got me worried man. I got 2 generations out of this MB. I'm solid. The 13600k is gonna be just fine for at least 2 years.
@@Dlo_BestLife waste of money lol
Bought two gens of soon to be dead platform and you take them as value?
The "power efficiency test" section is really good!
Lets get a 2d plot with calculation speed vs power efficiency next?
nice review finally upgrading my i5-7600k🙂to i5-13600K
Never imagined a world Intel beats AMD in productivity, gaming and value at the same time
Not a decisively victory. They’re trading blows while AMD has the more power efficient design despite Intel ironically trying to market their hybrid ‘efficiency’ core architecture.
AMD forced them to improve.
But to be fair, in power efficiency amd still wins. AMD CPU's overclocks and undervolts easier.
@@pedroduran8927 thats only in the higher end tho didnt the graph show 13600k was more efficient than 7600x and 7700x?
@@rawrmonster6782 yeah, but AMD fanboys are just grasping straws here. Intel wins this gen and they won the Alder Lake -gen also.
AMD seems to be focusing on gaming market and Intel focusing on trying to beat AMD by price on lower end market.
Don't know if AMD will adjust prices but if they were to do a 50 dollar cut across the board it would position the 7700x against the 13600 which would be a much closer race for performance. Platform costs will come down as the motherboard manufacturers stop milking the early adopters and DDR 5 continues to fall.
If you're looking for a 13th gen intel check out Microcenter if you have one near you. They have the new cpus at the tray cost which puts them bellow other retailers. Not sure how long that deal will last. They list the 13900K at $560 and advertise that as a 160 dollar discount over regular store price.
Hey Steve,
I know you and your team are currently pretty stressed out, but I was wondering if you might do a review on the Alphacool Core Ocean T38. It has an aggressively low price point (~85€ 360mm and ~96€ 420mm), but I don't know if they actually perform well, considering the thermals of the current CPUs.
I love your videos, keep up the good work :)
All the channels I'm subbed to have only uploaded the top of line for the 1% CPU while you're the only one uploading actual value CPU's
Would love to see the cheaper options actually tested. I'm sitting on some DDR4 3200 CL16 4x8GB.
Only a small difference. You should be fine.
@@AGuy-vq9qp not small lol, HU actually tested it with DDR5 and a cheap DDR4 kit and the difference is 15%+. GN is being totally misleading by stating a platform cost then testing the CPU with a high end DDR5 kit and making people think it will perform like that. If you want DDR4 the 5800X3D is king. Period. Then with DDR5 yes the i5 and i9 are amazing.
@@RafitoOoO the chips still beat the 5800x3d with 3800 ddr4 ram.
Sadly can't afford these anymore, hopefully the i3's are good =/
Hey Team GN!
Thank you for the amazing work.
As you always advice, I have watched reviews from multiple channels for the comparison between 7600X and 13600K.
But these reviews use a 4090/3090ti to highlight the performance difference.
As I am looking to build a brand new system in Q1 2023.
Coupled with a 4070/7700XT class GPU, Which would be the better purchase?
Intel's lower starting cost or Amd's platform support (promised) ?
System will be used for Gaming (light)/ DaVinci Resolve (intermediate).
Great work as allways! How is the powerdraw and heat during gaming?
Could there be a follow up comparison of 13600K with DDR4 vs DDR5? to see if the value proposition while using DDR4 affects the gaming performance significantly
No difference in gaming between good ddr4 and good ddr5.
Buy ddr5 because its cheaper than b-die ddr4 and same perf
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 depends on the game, some can have gains in the 20% range.
@@Lemard77 Hardly. There may be some very isolated incidents of games gaining from memory bandwidth more than they lose through increased latency but one really has to go searching for them on purpose.
@@innocentiuslacrim2290 Hardware Unboxed just uploaded their 13600K review featuring both DDR4 and DDR5 and there are some games in their lineup where there was a 10-20% difference (Watchdogs Legion, Cyberpunk, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Spider Man, Riftbreaker) the other games had lower gains and some were identical so it seems like it's very game dependant. With their 12 games average DDR4 ended up with similar value to DDR5 as the total price difference (CPU + ram + mobo) was compensated by the difference in performance. With this it was the best value out of all of the modern - upper mid range CPUs for games and productivity so really nice.
I think a K-Sku i3 would be really compelling. Most games only use 1-4 cores anyway, so getting the fastest single-threaded performance for $130-150 is really the only CPU I'm genuinely interested in.
Yeah, I had a 10100f and have a 12100f now, in most games, you wouldn't even notice a difference between these and an 8 core cpu, the 12100f can play 99% of games at over 80fps, so that's all most people need.....
@@nix123ism Right. Not to mention, y'know, GPU bottlenecks since most people aren't buying 3090-class GPUs.
I can't get over the lamp shaking on the side. It's mesmerizing
Will be looking forward to the non-K and especially the 13500 & 13400. Also wondering if there will real difference between the true RL cpus and the scaled down AL in power draw and performance.