The Intel Problem: CPU Efficiency & Power Consumption

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  • čas přidán 15. 06. 2024
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    A lot of you have requested that we run power consumption tests for gaming on CPUs, so we've finally done that! And alongside fulfilling that request, we also wanted to tackle a comment from Greg, our recurring antagonist commenter, who "requested" CPU efficiency testing. These benchmarks look at the efficiency and raw power consumption of Intel vs. AMD CPUs. There's a particular focus on the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D and Intel Core i7-14700K and 14900K CPUs, as these are the most recent and directly comparable / best gaming CPUs.
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  • @GamersNexus
    @GamersNexus  Před 5 měsíci +733

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    • @TheRedneckCodecChannel
      @TheRedneckCodecChannel Před 5 měsíci +13

      Grabbed me one of those 15 yr annimousary pads ol son!😂

    • @RNG-999
      @RNG-999 Před 5 měsíci +27

      Thanks, Greg!

    • @eduu1717
      @eduu1717 Před 5 měsíci +4

      @GamersNexus can I have one of those chips :( uwu

    • @weltsiebenhundert
      @weltsiebenhundert Před 5 měsíci +1

      When did Intel lose in effizient vs AMD? 1st or 3rd Ryzen? (Dont think Bulldoser)

    • @elvinespinal4747
      @elvinespinal4747 Před 5 měsíci +4

      ​@weltsiebenhundert378 I think during the 3000 series, thought the 2000s might be close

  • @dremy746
    @dremy746 Před 5 měsíci +1573

    I've done extensive testing and I've found that if you power limit both the 14900K and 7800X3D at 0W they perform identically with identical performance per watt.

    • @cameronbosch1213
      @cameronbosch1213 Před 5 měsíci +32

      Of course they would! 😂

    • @FreshChriss
      @FreshChriss Před 5 měsíci +149

      Dont say it to Greg, he would still bet that even at 0w the intel cpus where more efficient and faster

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před 5 měsíci +623

      Wow! This is a huge break-through! We'll immediately test the power consumption of the systems when they're off. hahaha

    • @RealAvus
      @RealAvus Před 5 měsíci +38

      You are wrong.. Intel CPU will actually give out energy from ether while AMD CPU is just turn off at 0W

    • @smncrowe
      @smncrowe Před 5 měsíci +22

      @@GamersNexus Actually, that's not as mad as it seems, who actually switches their systems off at the wall .......

  • @eliasroflchopper3006
    @eliasroflchopper3006 Před 5 měsíci +4114

    It's hilarious to me that the 7800X3D without FPS limit still pulls less power than the 14900K with an FPS limit
    Edit: the amount of fanboys defending Intel with all they have, for no good reason at all, is just ridiculous. Stop saying they should have undervolted it. Stop saying they should have turned off the E-cores. Stop saying they should have limited the power draw (which they did for the 14700K photoshop test, actually). Stop trying to make this literal waste of energy better than it is. You get nothing from it by doing this. You only expose yourself to siding with a company that rips you off, and that makes you look like morons.
    And besides, this video was supposed to be a fair comparison between Intel and AMD. If you tweak Intels chip to the point of being advantaged, you surely can do the same for AMD.

    • @ReclusiveXL
      @ReclusiveXL Před 5 měsíci +242

      Looking at power consumption of the 7800X3D, I wonder why AMD didn't release it on laptops platforms yet. It would have no match at 50-75W TDP in games.
      Edit: yes, I know about the R9 7945HX3D, but it still has to share some of its power between two CCDs, instead of focusing all the power on the 3D V-cache one(and laptops usually have 55-75W limits). There's 13980HX on laptops, and it is just identical(in terms of its cores count, frequency and even cache) to power limited 13900K. But they wouldn't need to limit the 7800X3D that much, even 55W would be enough.

    • @WWAVES1
      @WWAVES1 Před 5 měsíci +164

      @@ReclusiveXLIt might be a temperature constraint; that and the higher power floor to run them

    • @dagameboy
      @dagameboy Před 5 měsíci +71

      @@WWAVES1 nah, in laptops the cpu doesnt have a thicc boi IHS and 50-75 watts is relatively normal for laptop CPU's

    • @_under2world_
      @_under2world_ Před 5 měsíci +54

      Thx to the 3D cache performance are higher AND they have to reduce the maximum voltage to avoid damaging this extra cache. Those 2 factor make it incredibly efficient/performance, that and the fact that zen core are more efficient that Intel core by default

    • @Neketre
      @Neketre Před 5 měsíci +34

      @@ReclusiveXLit needs desktop levels of cooling to remain stable at 50-75W. There’s a reason it doesn’t boost as high as its non-X3D counterpart, which has to do with voltage and temperature limitations.

  • @russellhammant2846
    @russellhammant2846 Před 5 měsíci +433

    ''We figure that some people might not like this scenario because it's completely valid, fair, realistic and out of the box as you use the processor'' - sassy Steve is by far my favorite Steve

  • @shivcharan5700
    @shivcharan5700 Před 5 měsíci +778

    Even though Greg took a fat L, he gave us all a big W for introducing this new set of power efficiency tests! Thanks Greg and Thanks Steve!

  • @user-yt2rq8qn3l
    @user-yt2rq8qn3l Před 5 měsíci +708

    There's something admirable about a team which idea of having fun is piling up weeks of benchmark over a troll comment. Kudos guys!

    • @noba4696
      @noba4696 Před 5 měsíci +53

      troll comment OR might have been someone from the userbenchmark team 🤣

    • @richongaming
      @richongaming Před 5 měsíci +1

      Some folks enjoy doing what they do!

    • @62eru
      @62eru Před 5 měsíci +6

      @@noba4696 team? i thought it was a single person

    • @lucyfer7748
      @lucyfer7748 Před 5 měsíci +3

      @@noba4696 Ain't that the same? :p

    • @biblical_figure
      @biblical_figure Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@lucyfer7748no, trolls intentionally say things no matter how ludicrous with the express intent of provoking a response, this dumbfuck's genuine conviction was that Intel is currently better than AMD and GN humiliated him

  • @Noobsaucer
    @Noobsaucer Před 5 měsíci +1974

    The low-key tragic detail of this video is that the 14900k is LESS efficient than the 13900k in literally every single test. Ouch.

    • @RFC3514
      @RFC3514 Před 5 měsíci +388

      That was to be expected. They're basically milking the same CPU for a few extra cycles, at the cost of even higher power.

    • @claudiobizama5603
      @claudiobizama5603 Před 5 měsíci +178

      That just proves that BIG NUMBER BETTER

    • @miqotelover
      @miqotelover Před 5 měsíci +20

      Underrated comment.

    • @PyromancerRift
      @PyromancerRift Před 5 měsíci +121

      It is normal, it is a refresh. Same trash CPU overclocked to look better on benchmark. They literally do on desktop what they say AMD is doing on laptop. But intel is doing it on high end parts.

    • @tommihommi1
      @tommihommi1 Před 5 měsíci +20

      because it's literally the same chip, just overclocked a little bit more than it already is

  • @andydbedford
    @andydbedford Před 5 měsíci +298

    Greg: you are not testing CPU’s scientifically enough!
    GN: challenge accepted.
    Subscribers: Thanks Steve 👍

    • @ADesertVoice
      @ADesertVoice Před 4 měsíci +2

      @@amrmoustafa328 er they are comparing based on claims by either company on what their CURRENT chips performs. It doesn't matter what "technology" those chips are build on. It is FAIRLY COMPARED based on the claims the producers of those chips are saying about those chips NOW. Why is it that someone like you can't seem to understand that difference? Are you being shady here and claiming something stupid by saying that those companies like AMD and INTEL are LYING about their chips in the first place? Your assumption is what is truly not fair as the baseline is the comparing based on claims MADE BY THE MANUFACTURERS of their own chips in their current state, no matter what technology is in them.

    • @Zesmas
      @Zesmas Před 3 měsíci

      not really fair considering Gamer nexus has a billion sponsors and has the money to just throw at research while the normal person cant.

    • @ihebammar6568
      @ihebammar6568 Před 2 měsíci +1

      back to you steve

  • @lexwaldez
    @lexwaldez Před 5 měsíci +70

    Can we all just take a moment to thank Greg for threatening us with a good time? This was an EXCELLENT presentation and more than a little eye opening. I knew 14rth gen i7 and i9 CPU's were power hungry but Intel got absolutely abused. I should not have started this at bed time. 30 minutes gone in no time.

    • @razoo911
      @razoo911 Před 5 měsíci +6

      even 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13 gen too were/are power hungry...and i dont know why intel call those cpu 14gen, in fact they are 13gen with a bit overclock

  • @ItsHaldun
    @ItsHaldun Před 5 měsíci +1126

    "Ah yes, let me limit this 550$ CPU that I bought to 40% of its operating power, so it can get half the efficiency of its rival instead of 1/3rd"
    - Greg, 2023

    • @petrichor1956
      @petrichor1956 Před 5 měsíci +148

      *of it’s 360$ dollar rival

    • @pino_de_vogel
      @pino_de_vogel Před 5 měsíci +12

      fact is if you just limit power draw (not fps like this silly video did) then it's quite darn efficiënt for gaming. these chips are just stupid out of the box.and dont forget the 7950x also draws nearr 200 watts which is way past its efficiency curve. limit that to 150 watts and its also way more efficient.

    • @heiroglyfx
      @heiroglyfx Před 5 měsíci +130

      ​@@pino_de_vogel Why would you limit power draw if you're trying to measure efficiency for a typical use case? That's why they limited fps instead of draw. That's like arguing you should drive with your motor locked to 2000 RPM everywhere because it's more fuel efficient to do so. People are buying these products to just use them, any other points to be made are either worthless or blatantly made to try and discredit the fact one product is CLEARLY under-performing comparatively in the efficiency department. edit: switched MPH to RPM, because that's actually closer to what's being spoken about here.

    • @devilmikey00
      @devilmikey00 Před 5 měsíci +177

      @@pino_de_vogel Next time watch the video before commenting. They did limit the power and it did not make it more efficient than AMD.

    • @Ogk10
      @Ogk10 Před 5 měsíci +154

      @@pino_de_vogelHi Greg

  • @doesntmatter6084
    @doesntmatter6084 Před 5 měsíci +904

    As a computer engineer, it baffles me how many have such strong and vocal opinions and push those opinions when they have not a single clue about the subject

    • @cmac3530
      @cmac3530 Před 5 měsíci +142

      Twitter is the epitome of Dunning-Kruger at it's finest

    • @Incommensurabilities
      @Incommensurabilities Před 5 měsíci +89

      @@cmac3530 *the internet

    • @jordanw633
      @jordanw633 Před 5 měsíci

      There's a word for that type of person. Ultracrepidarian :)

    • @lgolem09l
      @lgolem09l Před 5 měsíci +77

      Don't forget that each user comment you see might be written by a 9-12 year old, who basically just parrot things without understanding them.

    • @CaptainUltimaFTW
      @CaptainUltimaFTW Před 5 měsíci +19

      Right there with ya 😂 if there's one thing I learned from studying computer engineering it's how the most vocal people on the Internet are often the most wrong in terms of computers lok

  • @Walterbgaming
    @Walterbgaming Před 5 měsíci +72

    The important question remains tho... How will userbenchmark spin this one??

    • @Dave-dh7rt
      @Dave-dh7rt Před 5 měsíci +9

      They were bitching on the 7950x review how it uses 160W (has 160W tdp actually) and on the 14900K how it’s SUPERIOR. I emailed them a screenshot of the 10fps/watt and 3fps/watt and called them shills and liars.

    • @szaszm_
      @szaszm_ Před 5 měsíci +11

      Can we just collectively stop visiting that site? It doesn't deserve any attention. It misrepresents its contents as benchmarks when they are just random numbers pulled out of his a**, inconsistent with every other reviewer.

    • @stacksofslaps7442
      @stacksofslaps7442 Před 2 měsíci

      Never understood the hate for userbenchmark, intel wins, and it makes diehard AMD butthurt, but in terms of efficiency, that's a whole different story.

    • @guywhitey2028
      @guywhitey2028 Před 2 měsíci +2

      ​@stacksofslaps7442 why buy a chip that consumes 3 times as much power to get a 10% gain? Ever heard of the law of diminishing returns? 14900k for gaming is a waste, 7800x3d is better for power consumption and price. Easy choice.

    • @Walterbgaming
      @Walterbgaming Před 2 měsíci +1

      @@guywhitey2028 they totally win tho ignore the absurd power requirements and all the other data on non biased sources that clearly show a very different picture.

  • @davidmstuff
    @davidmstuff Před 5 měsíci +42

    Anyone else enjoying the ridiculously good quality of stuff that the GN team has been putting out lately? Mfers are heading into 2024 on FIRE!

  • @UncleSilverGaming
    @UncleSilverGaming Před 5 měsíci +1560

    Damn Gregs out here makin' us look bad! From one Greg to another, DAMN IT, GREG!

    • @Shiny_Dragonite
      @Shiny_Dragonite Před 5 měsíci +16

      I guess Dave (if you're familiar with the radio commercials) has handed the title off to Greg.

    • @Abrasive-Heat
      @Abrasive-Heat Před 5 měsíci +19

      It’s okay. Let us be the best of Greg’s and hopefully we’ll inspire the others to do better.

    • @Eveningbreeze78
      @Eveningbreeze78 Před 5 měsíci +6

      Gregs does ask the stupid questions nobody asks, but when asked want too know the anwser to... :)
      Results confirm bias, though bias had no quantification.. this is nice

    • @OnTheRocks71
      @OnTheRocks71 Před 5 měsíci +6

      Yeah that other Greg really Greg'd it up for everyone. sigh

    • @slaysi
      @slaysi Před 5 měsíci

      My name Greg

  • @SpiritOfTheHeretic
    @SpiritOfTheHeretic Před 5 měsíci +468

    I don't think I've ever seen someone get blown out of the water as hard as Greg just was

    • @twign6378
      @twign6378 Před 5 měsíci +50

      I love it when Steve pulls out these "I didn't need to go this hard but..." videos

    • @redacted5744
      @redacted5744 Před 5 měsíci +29

      Greg owes somebody his paycheck, lol.

    • @rmvdhaak
      @rmvdhaak Před 5 měsíci +17

      Can you believe the guy is doubling down on Twitter ?

    • @TheHectic0ne
      @TheHectic0ne Před 5 měsíci +41

      @@rmvdhaak It's impossible to argue with stupid, even with facts.

    • @mangatom192
      @mangatom192 Před 5 měsíci +5

      ​@@rmvdhaakWhat's the @?

  • @kasimirdenhertog3516
    @kasimirdenhertog3516 Před 5 měsíci +81

    If I can make a humble suggestion: you're referring to the voltage/frequency curve a few times in this video. It would be interesting to actually plot the curve, then find the sweet spot for the CPUs (7800X3D vs. 14700K would probably be most interesting) on that curve and compare the performance at that particular point. This would put a figure on the maximum achievable efficiency.

    • @drewsss
      @drewsss Před 5 měsíci +3

      This seems a cool idea!

    • @termitreter6545
      @termitreter6545 Před 5 měsíci +17

      Problem is, that optimal efficiency would be different for every single possible application. Even hardware, just different CPU/GPU/memory combos could have different optimums.

  • @MoonMage67
    @MoonMage67 Před 5 měsíci +95

    its not just the power cost, for a 14 gen high end part you're pretty much forced to use an expensive water cooler while a 7800X3D can be cooled by a cheap tower cooler.

    • @malcomreynolds4103
      @malcomreynolds4103 Před 5 měsíci +1

      you aren't - you can even overclock a little bit with some of noctuas several year old models and there are better air coolers out there now

    • @helltarrist
      @helltarrist Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@malcomreynolds4103Noctua or any other high-end air coolers aren't exactly cheap in a lot of places. I'm from a very hot part of Brazil, for example, and for me the 14th gen intel CPUs would need an expensive water cooler or a top-end air cooler. These aren't cheap at all here, some of these high end air coolers go for around 180USD here, money that could go into getting an rx7900xtx vs rx7800xt. Also, electricity is around 0.23USD/kW. A CPU that draws 200w in Cyberpunk would make a significant impact in the energy bill for me, even though I play around 3-4h a day.

    • @tbard
      @tbard Před 5 měsíci

      And for the Ryzen you're stuck with absurd mobo prices :D I know, I got a 7800X3D earlier this month :D

    • @superspies32
      @superspies32 Před 5 měsíci +5

      Also all cores of 7800 are real core. Meanwhile intel 14k only has about 30% of physical core, the remaining are emulator core made from some top secret Hyper-V of sort

    • @malcomreynolds4103
      @malcomreynolds4103 Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@superspies32 No.

  • @Jdmorris143
    @Jdmorris143 Před 5 měsíci +460

    GN team, the intros are something else. I may come here for the info you provide but I get entertained by the intros.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před 5 měsíci +101

      hahaha, gotta keep it interesting!

    • @NuSpirit_
      @NuSpirit_ Před 5 měsíci +11

      @@GamersNexus I think you should make some kind of "Cringers Nexus" channel for shots like that intro and memes from GN. Would be lovely. Thanks Steve!

    • @theroofer3181
      @theroofer3181 Před 5 měsíci +3

      I absolutely love the intros.

    • @fleurdewin7958
      @fleurdewin7958 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@GamersNexus I applaud your effort by purposely going out to get a brand new pitchfork 0:08 just to film this video

    • @CS_Mango
      @CS_Mango Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@GamersNexusso. when is the first gamers Nexus short film coming out?

  • @dontreadtoofarintoit1868
    @dontreadtoofarintoit1868 Před 5 měsíci +249

    I can only imagine its difficult to come up with creative and unique shots for a processor, it doesn't go unnoticed from myself. Some creativity here using the lens with it being the subject of investigation.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před 5 měsíci +90

      The video team will appreciate that you noticed! I'll share the comment!

    • @mnemonik61
      @mnemonik61 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Agreed! The video team has really been upping their game over the past couple of months. Kudos to the GN video and editing crew!

  • @ExpiredStyrene
    @ExpiredStyrene Před 5 měsíci +36

    Power efficiency is a critical metric for me these days; thanks for this in-depth testing!

    • @thomasschraubt7497
      @thomasschraubt7497 Před 5 měsíci

      Why is that?

    • @Zandonus
      @Zandonus Před 5 měsíci +1

      Yeah, one of my heaters broke, and this 65w gen1 ryzen is not doing it even with a malfunctioning fan. Came here to get some blood to my head and consider buying intel for the extra heat generation.

    • @dragomegaman3711
      @dragomegaman3711 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@thomasschraubt7497electricity bill for me 😢

    • @annekedebruyn7797
      @annekedebruyn7797 Před 3 měsíci

      @@thomasschraubt7497 In some countries, energy bills have been doubled and in some cases tripled since covid.

    • @BugThorn
      @BugThorn Před 2 měsíci

      @@annekedebruyn7797we pay 0,5$ per KWh, when your average net income is around 1750 and half that is price of your rent ...

  • @572089
    @572089 Před 5 měsíci +51

    this power efficiency is really good information not just for cost, but for thermal generation. it tells us realistic heat loads in games. this is super important for SFF builders who might need to cram everything onto a single Rad, or use undersized coolers. your case can end up limiting your hardware choices due to thermal constraints.

    • @beayn
      @beayn Před 5 měsíci +4

      I got an i5-13600k about a year ago and it's really difficult to keep cool here in Australia where it's usually quite hot and houses have zero insulation, along with evaporative air conditioning that is absolute garbage.
      I knew it ran hotter than its competitor but didn't think it would be this hard to keep cool.

    • @vadnegru
      @vadnegru Před 5 měsíci +1

      I legit eyeing 7800x3d for my first SFF build. Due to current situation, i guess i would go to 8800x3d when it arrives. To be honest, my current PC is just fine, just too bad that it's literally idling at like 70W (150-200 at full load). It's quite hot in summer and power bills are also going up

    • @termitreter6545
      @termitreter6545 Před 5 měsíci +1

      True! Especially high end CPUs can be very difficult to cool under load.

    • @ignotumperignotius630
      @ignotumperignotius630 Před 4 měsíci

      I use evaporative and have asbestos insulation. My state is dry and not tropical I guess, so maybe that's your problem.

  • @vadicus
    @vadicus Před 5 měsíci +266

    Describing CPUs in terms of their fps per watt is brilliant.

    • @JFinns
      @JFinns Před 5 měsíci +29

      Intel has left the chat.

    • @n3rdy11
      @n3rdy11 Před 5 měsíci +8

      I wish the same would also be done with GPUs, I have the suspicion that AMD will also be ahead there when the workload is pure rasterization without any DLSS/RT.

    • @ivofixzone6410
      @ivofixzone6410 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Well, it's the same as describing EVs of their mile per Kw , because there is the truth of inefficient and expensive usage.

    • @sitaroartworks
      @sitaroartworks Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@n3rdy11 the real performance saver is FSR 2. It is really good.

  • @shadow7037932
    @shadow7037932 Před 5 měsíci +792

    The 5800X3D will need to be in a CPU Hall of Fame. What a champ of a CPU. I feel like this CPU alone will keep AM4 around for quite a few more years.

    • @newtwitchclipper
      @newtwitchclipper Před 5 měsíci +71

      Yea i went to am5 and got the 7800x3d but my brothers build i stayed am4 and for the price to performance the 5800x3d and a b550 velocita being 175$ cheaper than my combo... Lets say i have a 7900xt in my am5 build.. for the same price u can stay am4 with the 5800x3d and get a 7900xtx and have better performance for the same price as the am5 system

    • @thepcenthusiastchannel2300
      @thepcenthusiastchannel2300 Před 5 měsíci +17

      I bought one for a Dual Vega 64 Crossfire build as I was trying to get around the poor GPU scaling due to CPU bottleneck. Just for a fun project. It worked. Both Vega 64 GPUs get 100% utilized and you get a doubling of performance. Very strong CPU.

    • @IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature
      @IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature Před 5 měsíci

      If they continued to make it.

    • @jawohlbxb3534
      @jawohlbxb3534 Před 5 měsíci +17

      Currently on ryzen 2700 when im gonna upgrade i dont know but when i do it will be 5800X3D it will be cpu that a lot of people with old ryzens will upgrade to just because performance of it for just upgrading your cpu is insane

    • @Drew1218s
      @Drew1218s Před 5 měsíci +2

      For gaming yes but for anything non gaming not really.

  • @michaelwoods7770
    @michaelwoods7770 Před 5 měsíci +10

    That shot of all the cpu boxes stacked is amazing. Whoever did that deserves a raise.

  • @IuriFiedoruk
    @IuriFiedoruk Před 5 měsíci +66

    I live in Brazil and own a AMD Ryzem 5600G, and I love its efficiency. There is an extra argument you can make in favor of the less consuption also, you need a smaller power supply for your PC and it is more silent because it needs less fan speed to dissipate heat generated by the extra power.

    • @MartyAckerman310
      @MartyAckerman310 Před 5 měsíci +12

      I "upgraded" from a 5600G to a 12900K. The noise issue alone makes me want to go back to the 5600G. That and the fact that the idle power of the 12900K system is what the 5600G pulled at 80% load.

    • @hamakaze9812
      @hamakaze9812 Před 5 měsíci +4

      ​@@MartyAckerman310 you've learned your lesson. NEVER BETRAY LISA SU OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR

    • @MrNukealizer
      @MrNukealizer Před 5 měsíci

      Fan speed doesn't depend solely on the heat generated. The X3D CPUs have a significant disadvantage compared to Intel in terms of how efficiently the cooler can dissipate their heat. They have lower temperature limits, which means lower difference in temperature compared to the air. The 7000 series also have that oddly thick AM5 IHS for AM4 cooler compatibility, which makes them less efficient at transferring heat to the cooler, so the cooler has to work harder to keep the chip at the same temperature. The heat pipe layout of a cooler can also make a sizeable difference between AMD and Intel because the positions and sizes of the heat sources within the CPU are different.

    • @MCA0090
      @MCA0090 Před 5 měsíci +1

      That's why I like 65W CPUs... I bought a 7700 instead of a 7700X (7700 is cheaper in Brazil btw). I ran tests on my CPU setting it to the same parameters of a 7700X and measuring the power drawn on the power supply cable, it simply doesn't worth it, too much heat and to much power for just a little bit more of performance... I'm currently running my CPU at 75W TDP +250MHz on the boost clock and undervolt. Stresstesting the CPU at 100% is taking only 150W from the power supply (entire system consumption) and CPU temperature is around 80ºC. When I tested it on 105W TDP +100Mhz + undervolt (same specs of 7700X) the total system power was around 200 - 215W and CPU temperature went straight to 90ºC.

    • @nameless-user
      @nameless-user Před 5 měsíci +3

      Me personally, the efficiency is necessary as my PC is hooked into a UPS. I have a _hard_ power limit; anything to drop the power consumption can be critical in an emergency.

  • @SuspiciousGirafe
    @SuspiciousGirafe Před 5 měsíci +160

    "We figured that some people might not like this scenario... because it's completely valid, fair, realistic and ootb as you use the processor"
    LOL, you didn't have to roast them this hard, Steve !

    • @MattFowlerBTR
      @MattFowlerBTR Před 5 měsíci +21

      Steve didn't do the roasting - he just put Greg#2 next to the 14900k heatsink (ok, let's be real, radiator) and let all the stupid amounts of heat do the work.

    • @craigdeeter8042
      @craigdeeter8042 Před 5 měsíci +3

      Yes he did🤪

    • @Burmn
      @Burmn Před 5 měsíci +3

      “Thanks Steve!”

  • @philslaya
    @philslaya Před 5 měsíci +552

    Greg must be a new userbenchmark for hire 😂

    • @IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature
      @IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature Před 5 měsíci +3

      LOL, for that matter... They should call this test _The Greg._

    • @walterwhite415
      @walterwhite415 Před 5 měsíci

      I thought the same. Sadly there are still a whole lot of people who fall for the bullshit Bullshitbenchmark is telling them.

    • @j5ylim396
      @j5ylim396 Před 5 měsíci +42

      with how ridiculous these types are getting im starting to think theyre just stockholders
      with all their life savings on the line

    • @Therapistwatermirrur
      @Therapistwatermirrur Před 5 měsíci

      @@j5ylim396 I'd honestly buy Unity stocks over ITNC right now. Even with the Unity drama.

    • @CptJistuce
      @CptJistuce Před 5 měsíci +16

      ​@@j5ylim396I wish I could believe that. I've seen enough fanboys over the years that this just seems like normal denial of reality to me.

  • @BMKTW
    @BMKTW Před 5 měsíci +31

    Steve, don't forget that higher power consumption means spending more money for a bigger PSU and Heatsink.

    • @kenshirogenjuro873
      @kenshirogenjuro873 Před 5 měsíci +7

      Not to mention motherboards that flow the amount of required power

    • @rhesaramadhan8474
      @rhesaramadhan8474 Před 5 měsíci +2

      not to mention more case fans to make it cool..

  • @ryanlowery9081
    @ryanlowery9081 Před 5 měsíci +7

    what ever encoder you guys at GN are using to make videos is BEAST. Your youtube videos look orders of magnitude better than 99% of other youtube channels. It's insane how good these videos look on my G9 monitor and 4090 lol.

  • @machinainc5812
    @machinainc5812 Před 5 měsíci +447

    Insane the amount of power Intel chips need just to keep up. 3x more power at some instances and almost always twice+ more. I knew it was bad but this was a bloodbath

    • @Skeames1214
      @Skeames1214 Před 5 měsíci +48

      It's wild. I think the x3d chips in particular kinda highlighted this, because before that most reviewers/consumers just defaulted to "performance is more important than efficiency." And that's still true, imo, but now that AMD has both (in gaming, at least) the disparity being this wide is jarring.
      I also think the people saying "oh well you can undervolt it or cap your fps" are either very niche users or coping. Yes, a small percentage of users undervolt, but when they talk about it they advertise *not* losing performance as one of the main draws. Multiple tests in this video show that you do lose a significant amount of performance if you cap the power draw, That Blender example where the render time nearly doubled was extreme, I'm sure, but the point is if you're buying a 14700k because it's a better multithreaded workload performer.... why are you kneecapping it for the sake of power draw. At that point one of the only advantages it has is nullified.
      Most people just want the best performance you can get out of the box. I really doubt more than 1 percent of people are gonna stomach losing 20 fps in cyberpunk for the sake of a few bucks off their power bill. You would have bought cheaper more efficient equipment if you cared that much more about power draw than performance.

    • @timothyandrewnielsen
      @timothyandrewnielsen Před 5 měsíci +9

      10nm vs 5nm. Intel sux

    • @BouncingZeus
      @BouncingZeus Před 5 měsíci +21

      @@Skeames1214 It is insane the gap. I have a 13900K. I have always and will likely still just keep buying whatever has the highest FPS numbers when I buy, but damn would this make my cooling so much easier. The heat is such an issue.

    • @dreed100
      @dreed100 Před 5 měsíci +28

      It's reversal of 2013. Bulldozer time

    • @griffin1366
      @griffin1366 Před 5 měsíci +5

      @@Skeames1214 capping the power draw and undervolting are two difference things.

  • @limemason
    @limemason Před 5 měsíci +198

    I love how Steve will see a tweet with like 5 likes and take it as a personal challenge necessitating tens of man hours of work. What a mad lad

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před 5 měsíci +207

      This one was about a month of work! And it required 3 of us! And give me some more credit -- it had 2 likes! hahaha

    • @EversonBernardes
      @EversonBernardes Před 5 měsíci +76

      "Someone is wrong on the internet!"

    • @waynesworldofsci-tech
      @waynesworldofsci-tech Před 5 měsíci +9

      @@GamersNexus
      It’s the sort of work that keeps us coming back. Great stuff.

    • @fratista
      @fratista Před 5 měsíci +6

      He wants the paycheck

    • @limemason
      @limemason Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@GamersNexus Astounding work gentlemen

  • @petergimeno6547
    @petergimeno6547 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Excellent review and interesting perspective. One thing to note about cpu power consumption: power correlates to heat, which can be a meaningful factor when considering how ambient room temperatures and noise levels are changed over time, especially in hot climates or during the summer months.

  • @MrZestubo
    @MrZestubo Před 5 měsíci +12

    I'm excited to hear idle power draw is coming, I feel like as live service models get worse there will be more interest in running local servers. I know I am. I don't pay a ton for electricity, but I'm still interested in running as efficiently as possible where I can.

  • @m4sterred853
    @m4sterred853 Před 5 měsíci +414

    I love how much the tables have turned in terms of performance per Watt. The kind of issue we see now used to be in AMD’s camp with the FX series.

    • @davidellis1355
      @davidellis1355 Před 5 měsíci +14

      I had a phenom and skipped the FX generation. Didn't seem worth the upgrade

    • @zeyfuller
      @zeyfuller Před 5 měsíci +29

      ​@@davidellis1355I had one and did the upgrade. You were right lol

    • @frizzlefry1921
      @frizzlefry1921 Před 5 měsíci +12

      ​@@davidellis1355 Phenom II x6 was a screamer w 2x msi 7770 oc but the power bill suffered... lol.

    • @shawnpitman876
      @shawnpitman876 Před 5 měsíci +7

      @@frizzlefry1921 1090T gang

    • @bofast
      @bofast Před 5 měsíci +38

      And before that Intel had issues with the Pentium 4 where they once again tried to brute force themselves ahead through clockspeed at the cost of power/heat. It's one of those things that will probably keep swinging back and forth over the course of history.

  • @theavera9ejoe
    @theavera9ejoe Před 5 měsíci +311

    The fact you get biased comments like this and still take the time to go through and methodically test them speaks loads to you and your team's character. THIS is the content I'm subscribed for! Love to see it.

    • @betag24cn
      @betag24cn Před 5 měsíci +17

      i like that you used the word biased, instead of call greg a fanboy, what he is, lol

    • @anorax001
      @anorax001 Před 5 měsíci +17

      I don't think it matters how many benchmarks or tests Steve runs on these CPU's. Intel fanboys will not accept any result even if it proves them wrong.

    • @shaneeslick
      @shaneeslick Před 5 měsíci

      @@anorax001 it doesn't matter what company the FanBois are all as STOOPID as eachother, they are the Flat Earthers of the Tech Community.

    • @CptJistuce
      @CptJistuce Před 5 měsíci +8

      ​@@anorax001Look, if AMD was really better, how come they can't afford a five-letter name, HUH?
      That's right, you can't answer that, because there is no answer!

    • @chrisbullock6477
      @chrisbullock6477 Před 5 měsíci +1

      That's the difference between maturity and also having the intelligence to create out of hate and to make lemonade out of lemons something that only comes with maturity something that many of the Millennials and the under 30 crowd seriously lack and their parents are to blame

  • @pauldenney6968
    @pauldenney6968 Před 5 měsíci +12

    I have been loving my new 7800X3D! Coming from a 3700X that was a great CPU, i've seen a strong boost in 1% lows in my games with the same RTX 3070.

    • @Buggiy
      @Buggiy Před 5 měsíci +1

      Same scenario for me..next is gpu upgrade in 2024 or early 2025

  • @TECHiSuppose
    @TECHiSuppose Před 5 měsíci +16

    Great data! Totally not surprised a smaller manufacturing process pulled ahead in efficiency, lol. The kWh charts were especially great. I'd be curious about idle or near idle power consumption between systems. Like whether either brand has better technology to keep computers efficient when they are not doing intense work. Such as browsing and maybe watching videos. Maybe the differences are insignificant but that could be charted out over their expected lifetime make it significant (say 5 years). EDIT, I saw idle was mentioned toward the end, nice!

    • @washaa
      @washaa Před 4 měsíci +1

      Sometimes I can sit down with my desktop for half a day only browsing or watching videos. Sometimes I use the PC daily but don't game for a week. The power consumption of having a few base programs up is just as important as the heavy load consumption since I only game for a few hours each week.
      Some kind of baseline would be nice to see, however it is defined.

    • @Targonis1
      @Targonis1 Před 3 měsíci

      It's not all about the fab process, but is more about the focus. Intel is taking the attitude, "just throw more power at the chip to let it clock higher", and the result is that efficiency goes right out the window. Alder Lake to Raptor Lake to Raptor Lake Refresh, yea, add some E-cores going from 12th gen to 13th gen, add cache, but then boost the power draw for higher clock speeds. Intel has been using this approach since the 7th generation when Intel had locked its upgrade path to the fab process. Oh, Skylake...yea, 10nm wasn't ready yet, so Skylake with more power and higher clock speeds was what we saw from 6th to 7th gen. Then 8th gen, still Skylake, but with 6 cores at the top end. 9th gen, 8 cores at the top end, but still Skylake. 10th gen, yep, for the desktop, Intel still couldn't improve the design, so again, Skylake drawing more power for higher clock speeds. 11th gen, still no 10nm on the desktop, all a joke.
      That was the big, "same design, throw more power at it for higher clock speeds" approach. Intel is still doing it that way, being so obsessed with higher clock speeds, they don't bother with thinking about efficiency at all.

    • @TECHiSuppose
      @TECHiSuppose Před 3 měsíci

      @@Targonis1Not all about, sure. I'll agree there. Though this video clearly shows differences when the CPUs are given the same power limits. Design can certainly be a factor as well. All that said I'd consider manufacturing process the key attribute.

  • @Link0402
    @Link0402 Před 5 měsíci +108

    So as someone with a 7800X3D living in Germany, where electricity is about 32 cents / kWh... WOW I'M SO BUSY SAVING MONEY HERE.

    • @slipknot1943
      @slipknot1943 Před 5 měsíci +2

      You you realize that even if you would use 400w 24/7 for a month @ 40c price, it would only cost you like 100€
      E: You do it scales down? Eg. 150w gaming 2-4h per day @ 40c.
      Month cost: ~3-6€

    • @RotaryJunkie
      @RotaryJunkie Před 5 měsíci +45

      ​@@slipknot1943 I don't think you made the point you meant to make there.

    • @dascandy
      @dascandy Před 5 měsíci +10

      Positive side: Saving power. Negative side: It's that expensive because it's all coal, instead of GN's nuclear...

    • @IdiotRace
      @IdiotRace Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@slipknot1943 I think they would rather have the extra 100 euro

    • @CarbonPanther
      @CarbonPanther Před 5 měsíci +2

      On the other hand i'm probably wasting money, i have a 5800X3D and it takes about ~60W on Idle which is a lot especially when i watch videos which is when the system spikes to 110W watching youtube, my old i7-6700 system does about ~33W... while watching videos, i know it didn't have a GPU in it, but that's still a heck of a difference especially at idle where the 6700 would draw like 15W at most, that's a huge difference and it's really stupid how little AMD's CPUs save power at idle because of their IO die or whatever, or that my GPU needs apparently at least 40W just to watch a damn video at 1080p.

  • @ijustsawthat
    @ijustsawthat Před 5 měsíci +182

    Greg: places bet
    Intel: Be careful of what you wish for

    • @rabidwallaby84
      @rabidwallaby84 Před 5 měsíci +6

      Greg is Homer. Intel is Santa's Little Helper

  • @technolucas3720
    @technolucas3720 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Best reviews on the net! Keep it up and have a Merry Christmas guys!!

  • @italianbasegard
    @italianbasegard Před 5 měsíci +27

    The snake oil bottle being an isopropyl alcohol bottle is so fitting for Wendell 😂

  • @jan__itor
    @jan__itor Před 5 měsíci +115

    Idle power consumption for CPU and GPU reviews would be extremely cool to see. I don't think anyone is doing this kind of tests, but it would be nice to know that

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před 5 měsíci +86

      They're tough to get right. Working on that separately!

    • @mcod99
      @mcod99 Před 5 měsíci +4

      my 7950x3d pulls around 30ish watts at idle and my 4090 pulls 15w.

    • @Zapdos0145
      @Zapdos0145 Před 5 měsíci +7

      AMD would be hard because the 7000 series still has high idle power under certain circumstances like different monitor resolutions and refresh rates amongst other things

    • @tommihommi1
      @tommihommi1 Před 5 měsíci +15

      one problem with idle power testing is the *crazy* swings based on motherboard model as well as software configuration.

    • @Zapdos0145
      @Zapdos0145 Před 5 měsíci +7

      @@tommihommi1 second this. it’s very hard to have a “control” when there is no “control” everyone’s software is different, everyone’s hard ware is different, even people’s monitors are different, it’s hard to control all that when no one does that 100% of the time

  • @hukl3945
    @hukl3945 Před 5 měsíci +100

    More efficient CPU also means lower requirements for the CPU Fan, Case Coolers as well as the Powersupply or even the case itself. So there is more merit than just power cost.

    • @nickierv13
      @nickierv13 Před 5 měsíci +7

      Not just lower requirements, but more options as well. CPU trying to pull 300W is going to need a lot different cooler than one chilling around 150W, but run the 300W cooler on a 150W CPU and you can run the fans a lot slower and thus quieter.
      More efficient isn't going to be less total power, take a 100W CPU that can do X work/hour but a 200W CPU that can do 4X work/hour. Yes total power saving but higher peak power.

    • @nickierv13
      @nickierv13 Před 5 měsíci

      @@fluffy_unicorn859 Not sure on exact numbers, but when dealing with heat a 4:1 ratio of heat to power needed to deal with the heat is probably on the good side.

    • @Deathscythe91
      @Deathscythe91 Před 5 měsíci +5

      also motherboard , dont have to worry about vrm's as much

    • @saricubra2867
      @saricubra2867 Před 5 měsíci

      My i7-12700K is the only one that can be air cooled. Any i7 above it needs an AIO.

    • @griffin1366
      @griffin1366 Před 5 měsíci

      @@saricubra2867 What nonsense. I have a Noctua NH-U14S and it cools my 13700k just fine at 5.4Ghz. Granted I set the power limit to 200W and it sits at 90C in Cinebench. In gaming and everything else it sits at a stable 600 RPM.

  • @Lotiks.
    @Lotiks. Před 5 měsíci +6

    It's so nice to see how Tech Reviewers always come up with new ways to approach things and you really cut it again with this one. Always thought that Power is an underated Aspect in CPU / GPU reviews.

  • @MauricioRPP1
    @MauricioRPP1 Před 5 měsíci +14

    This is even more relevant after the recent microcode update that Intel sent out, as it completely disables undervolting in non-K CPUs. Only PL1/PL2 adjustments still work, and those bring performance down significantly.

    • @manoftherainshorts9075
      @manoftherainshorts9075 Před 5 měsíci +5

      Damn, poor choice of locking up another great feature from Intel.

    • @RealGreyGhost
      @RealGreyGhost Před 5 měsíci +2

      Wow that sucks not being able to undervolt locked CPUs. Probably not a good idea to update the BIOS then... ever.

  • @TheRealEtaoinShrdlu
    @TheRealEtaoinShrdlu Před 5 měsíci +157

    "Greg" is clearly confusing Intel v AMD now with Intel v AMD in 2013. Big, big, big difference.

    • @andersjjensen
      @andersjjensen Před 5 měsíci +26

      The "avalanche moment" was July 7th 2019 when Ryzen 3000 launched. Since then the efficiency disparity has only grown larger with every generation.

    • @shortyorc121
      @shortyorc121 Před 5 měsíci +7

      From the 1st Gen i7 all the way up to when amd released Ryzen is the reason why I'll never buy Intel ever again.
      5 to 10% increase generation their tick tock business plan and extremely over priced cpus for a good 7 plus years. Every generation had a new chipset requiring a new motherboard. na I'm good I'll stick with ryzen even if it is slower.

    • @Slyons89
      @Slyons89 Před 5 měsíci

      When they made the 9700k the same chip as the 9900k and then artificially restricted hyperthreading so only 9900k had it, for hundreds of dollars more, that was the moment Intel blew their reputation for me. Total gross money grab behavior.@@shortyorc121

    • @shoarmadad5307
      @shoarmadad5307 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@shortyorc121Please don't do this. Who knows, maybe in a couple years the roles will be reversed again and Intel will be the better option.

    • @enlightendbel
      @enlightendbel Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@andersjjensen The disparity was already there at that point. People just didn't pay any attention yet.
      Intel chips have been toasting systems since the P4 days. Back then even worse with Intels choice of ram being extremely power hunger on top of that.
      And in the server market it was even worse where it peaked at the point of the Intel 5000 series Xeon platforms used 300+W just siting idle.
      Intel changed their tune because datacenters started demanding better power efficiency on chipsets and the CPUs themselves, which allowed AMD to sell FX era Opteron platforms to datacenters while being far less performant, simply because they were so much more power efficient compared to Intel.

  • @Quasardian
    @Quasardian Před 5 měsíci +153

    Could you also take a focus of the idle cpu usage? I think that's also extremly important when a lot of pc's run maybe 30% of the time in idle. For business pc's some are on 24/7 and are only used ~8 hours a day 5 days a week.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před 5 měsíci +179

      Yes, we'll have some data for that in the next few months. We're planning to add that to the mega charts pages per popular request as well!

    • @commanderbly009
      @commanderbly009 Před 5 měsíci +21

      ​@@GamersNexusAny plans to do the same for graphics cards? Maybe idle, watching videos, that kinda stuff

    • @michaelbuto305
      @michaelbuto305 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@commanderbly009 I think that will be a good idea if Nvidia release low power GPU.

    • @deirrelevant
      @deirrelevant Před 5 měsíci +4

      Also regarding the IO die idle power consumption. Could you test with some different ram speeds if this ever gets a dedicated piece. Given potential sleep states not being active for the IO die for some of the higher ram speeds. This might disproportionately affect threadrippers ofc.@@GamersNexus

    • @offspringfan89
      @offspringfan89 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Idle power usage is where Intel wins compared to AMD desktop CPUs.

  • @gregoryburzy468
    @gregoryburzy468 Před 5 měsíci +2

    As a Greg, I appreciate the shout outs. I have plenty of ideas that I like to test on my own because I have no life, however I'm not bitter like these other Gregs. Thanks Steve, you're living my dream job and I appreciate your work and being the gold standard in journalistic tech enthusiasm. Merry Christmas!

  • @felixwehner5450
    @felixwehner5450 Před 5 měsíci +3

    I can't believe you guys made such an outstanding video in regards of testing methodology, just because some dude posted a relatively stupid comment. I think it's a very interesting video and quiet important to not just look at pure peak performance but also at those metrics. Thank you for the work you guys put into those videos.

  • @Yuki2204
    @Yuki2204 Před 5 měsíci +128

    There is a certain level of professional spite here, And I absolutely appreciate it.

  • @SACC_
    @SACC_ Před 5 měsíci

    The exact video I wanted to see. Thank you for this testing.

  • @Spark010
    @Spark010 Před 5 měsíci +13

    Love the frames per Watt metrics. Think you should select 2 games as baselines and the current top selling game so that the data is meaningful at the time of benchmarking for gamers who are building a system for the current top seller.

  • @beachslap7359
    @beachslap7359 Před 5 měsíci +159

    Also add short support of their sockets to the problem.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před 5 měsíci +57

      That's a different problem!

    • @manitoba-op4jx
      @manitoba-op4jx Před 5 měsíci +22

      that's a dealbreaker for me. if i can get a motherboard with an intel socket for cheap or free i'll take it but if i'm buying new AMD desktop motherboards hold value longer because they don't get obsoleted as fast. anyone who bought an am4 board in the last 6 years can attest to that
      for the record: when i built my home server last year, i opted for an asrock imb-1711 motherboard and an i9-10900KF.
      when i bought my gaming pc in 2017, i got a ryzen 5.

    • @oneaboveallferrarifan2725
      @oneaboveallferrarifan2725 Před 5 měsíci +6

      Constant crashing, mobo problems, can’t oc ram on 4 sticks etc. etc. on my 7800x3d with NO issues zipping on coffee ☕️

    • @sean8102
      @sean8102 Před 5 měsíci +17

      That was the main reason I went with a 7800X3D over intel when upgrading from my 8700K this month. After I read that their next gen of CPU's will need a new socket. Not buying a new mobo that's already a upgrade dead end. AMD claims they will support AM5 for "years to come" and with the longevity of AM4 I believe them.

    • @thebcwonder4850
      @thebcwonder4850 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@sean8102 AMD only gave 5000 support on AM4 because Intel would’ve been more popular if they didn’t

  • @jedimastapeb
    @jedimastapeb Před 5 měsíci +105

    The coverage you all have been doing, on virtually everything, has been outstanding.
    I know it's not much, but here's a token of appreciation.
    I debated whether or not I should give you this, considering you got someone's whole paycheck as a result of this video. I'm obviously in the wrong line of work.

    • @Brockzillagaming
      @Brockzillagaming Před 5 měsíci +4

      I don't think they're actually getting anything from Greg lol. He's all talk. But if you want to support them, it's better to buy from their store, they get a similar cut to what CZcams gives them and you get a thing!

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před 5 měsíci +6

      $20 is huge! Thank you so much. We really appreciate that. That's a large donation for us and they all go a long way!

    • @jedimastapeb
      @jedimastapeb Před 5 měsíci

      ⁠@@Brockzillagaming Yeah, I know they didn’t actually get a paycheck, it was a joke. :)

  • @hynekbroz7029
    @hynekbroz7029 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Thank you, Greg, for this amazing video I was waiting for so long.

  • @faealiciadotsys
    @faealiciadotsys Před 5 měsíci +7

    Sincerely, thank you GN, and thank you Greg. This is the kind of data I really need to see. The synthetic benchmarks are fine, but some real world data is especially useful for my situation.
    I'd really enjoy seeing this data set expanded to include lower TDP CPUs like the 65W Ryzen 7 5700X and 7600, as well as a GPU equivalent set.
    My needs are probably not so unique in the USA, as many renters suffer from landlords that are restrictive with what we can do ourselves while unwilling to fix things when presented with them. I personally am living in an apartment with shoddy electrical wiring and share it with roommates in order to be able to afford a roof over my head. The circuit that my computer is on is also shared with computers from other roommates and we don't have a way to work around it. As a result, power efficiency is extremely important partly to keep the electricity bill down, but more importantly, so that we don't blow the circuit breaker whenever we're all using our computers.
    I picked out my system specifically for its overall power consumption. I chose a Ryzen 7 5700G with a Radeon RX 6700 XT. The former because I had a B450 motherboard already and wouldn't benefit from the 5700X's PCIe 4.0 support, and it was cheaper anyway. Besides that, the 5700X/G are the best AM4 CPUs whose TDP is only 65W. Going any higher would bump the max power draw and bring me closer to the apartment circuit's limit, and that limit is the primary factor for me.
    The 6700 XT was chosen because it was a solid and affordable mid-range card at the time of purchase. My specific card has its limit set to 194W, but my testing showed that limiting it to 120W gave the best power vs performance ratio. The FPS gain past that was only 1-3 FPS per 10W on average, while going lower than that saw closer to a 5 FPS per 10W decrease in the same test scenario.
    Add in peripherals and dual monitors and this results in a very capable gaming machine capable of achieving 120 FPS at 1080p with max details in almost all my games while still only pulling 300W max from the wall, as measured by my UPS.

    • @faealiciadotsys
      @faealiciadotsys Před 5 měsíci +1

      Incidentally, my previous system also has very good power efficiency. (The B450 motherboard had to come from somewhere.) A Ryzen 5 2600 and a GTX 1050 that I was using as a secondary GPU because the R9 290x doesn't have hardware HEVC support. The 1050 is lower power consumption anyway and I won't need it for intensive tasks, so it would work perfectly for the file server's display.
      With a few more parts, I can reassemble it to replace my current file server and vastly expand the capabilities while keeping overall idle power consumption under 30W.
      Beyond that, I ccan add some extra features such as router capabilities. I'm aware of the security concerns that comes with running a router on the same system as a file server, but adding a 4-port PCIe NIC would let me create a much faster and customizable router for my local network than anything I can get store-bought while only increasing idle power consumption by maybe 10W more at most. It'd also save on the amount of cables, making for a cleaner setup.
      I'd even have extra processing power to let me host dedicated servers for playing private games with my friends without affecting performance on the other parts.
      I'd be able to do all of that with a single system that draws less tham 40W at idle and probably around 210W under full load.
      AMD really has knocked power efficiency out of the park, and thanks to them, it's possible for a poor, disabled, lifelong tech nerd like myself to have an extremely powerful setup that Intel and Nvidia simply can't provide.

  • @RealJonzuk
    @RealJonzuk Před 5 měsíci +121

    i want to say good job to the audio team at gamers nexus im using flat curved headphones the sony md 7506 and the audio is fantastic

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před 5 měsíci +39

      Thank you!

    • @spacedoutcowboy5211
      @spacedoutcowboy5211 Před 5 měsíci +9

      GN production quality is peak

    • @cajampa
      @cajampa Před 5 měsíci +10

      Agreed, GN's audio quality makes them one of the few channels I can watch at 3x without having to use text to get all the information.

    • @jubuttib
      @jubuttib Před 5 měsíci +5

      @@cajampa How do you even get 3x, with an extension or something? YT doesn't offer that natively.
      Also that's LUDICROUSLY FAST considering how quickly Steve already talks. :D

    • @cajampa
      @cajampa Před 5 měsíci

      @@jubuttib I use ReVanced Extended to get 3x and many more settings missing from the regular CZcams app.
      On PC browser there exist addons for this also but I am not on my PC right now and I do not remember what it is called. But there is a bunch of them in the chrome addon store.
      One thing that really help with being able to pick up and follow the information at faster speeds is great neutral speakers, listening through lower quality mobile speakers makes it harder.
      And of course great recording and mixing like GN is doing.
      Also at least some basic treatment of the room helps also, if you are listing in a room with lots of reflections, your mind will struggle to follow and pick up everything from the noise of all the reflections, when it goes really fast.
      When it works great, it feels more like speed reading, you injest the information almost more in shunks than word for word.
      And when it does not work so great you might need to "cheat" with having the text on.

  • @VascovanZeller
    @VascovanZeller Před 5 měsíci +387

    Regarding power I just want to point out that for users in hot climates who game in summer with air conditioning, the power consumption difference is much greater than just the CPU consumption as you also have to factor in the added AC costs.

    • @Argedis
      @Argedis Před 5 měsíci +30

      Same could be said for GPUs

    • @domm6812
      @domm6812 Před 5 měsíci +82

      Exactly. I'm so glad people are pointing this out. So sick of dismissive reviewers who exclaim "nobody cares about power draw". Not true.

    • @A_Name_
      @A_Name_ Před 5 měsíci +13

      Yup, I have a window unit in my room and it's on the same circuit as my PC because I have no other option than running an extension cord half way across my house so this is very useful info for me.

    • @JJFX-
      @JJFX- Před 5 měsíci +21

      There's also the PSU requirement. While not always a significant cost difference, you'd typically want more power headroom on Intel. Granted, for AM5 the generally higher motherboard cost likely makes a slightly larger PSU irrelevant for new builds but it's another point nonetheless.

    • @ccc3
      @ccc3 Před 5 měsíci +8

      scandinavians be like: 💙

  • @thorgen_ironside5279
    @thorgen_ironside5279 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Once again top shelf content, well done Gamersnexus!

  • @Habixus
    @Habixus Před 5 měsíci +1

    Thanks for the awesome video! That's exactly what I've asked for and I just got this video :D The only little addition I would've liked is a graph for the idle power consumption. Sure, it's awesome that my room stays cool while gaming with the 7800X3D, but I'm 80% doing office stuff and my 10600k only used about 12W compared to the 7800X3D taking ~30W. Doesn't matter that much, but I need to let fresh air in a bit more often now. while working from home.

  • @SpencerHHO
    @SpencerHHO Před 5 měsíci +79

    As an Australian with relatively cheap electricity this still matters. Heat can be a major factor in summer especially when you don't want to run AC. If you need to run and it works harder or you run it when you otherwise wouldn't due to heat load that extra power can start to ad up.

    • @nojuanatall3281
      @nojuanatall3281 Před 5 měsíci +10

      Same here in Texas. I don't use my oven during the summer while the sun is out. My AC can't catch up if I do. I turn off lights and keep the windows covered.

    • @moto3463
      @moto3463 Před 5 měsíci

      I run a 13900k in Australia no problem cooling

    • @Pushing_Pixels
      @Pushing_Pixels Před 5 měsíci +8

      Heat can be a big factor if you live in a warm climate. My apartment gets sun all day and is not well insulated. Nice in winter, not nice in summer. I work from home, with the computer on all day and half the night, so those extra watts dumping heat into the room do make a difference.

    • @mfb4730
      @mfb4730 Před 5 měsíci +3

      ​@@Pushing_PixelsEven in cold or normal climate it can matter much. As an example in Europe most houses are build to preserve heat as much as possible. Running your Gaming PC for a few hours already heats up your room pretty fast. And If its Not like deep winter you cant just cool your room down fast without using an AC.

    • @xIcarus227
      @xIcarus227 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@Pushing_Pixels very much this. I used to live in an apartment which had sunlight all day just like you do, and upgrading from a 970 to a 1080Ti absolutely made a difference in the summer. Couldn't really get by without an AC after the upgrade.

  • @Jixxers
    @Jixxers Před 5 měsíci +140

    Thank you for this! Funny, I have the 13900k and a 4090. I took a month plus away from gaming, and my energy bill lowered by 50%. I've never seen my electricity bill this cheap. When bg3 came out, I had never seen my electricity bill that high before.

    • @spookyskellyskeleton609
      @spookyskellyskeleton609 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Bg3 is amazing lol

    • @badz1497
      @badz1497 Před 5 měsíci +51

      Bill it to Greg. he seems like somebody who likes to throw money away. win-win

    • @Xfade81
      @Xfade81 Před 5 měsíci +7

      A simple underclock changes alot. Also, if your bill lowered by 50% you must have been gaming 12 hours a day + that your 4090 draws way more power. BG3 is not really the game that taxes the most either. So yeah... today on what never happened. Or you're getting screwed by your power provider.

    • @spookyskellyskeleton609
      @spookyskellyskeleton609 Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@Xfade81 bg3 does draw power if you max out

    • @rasurin
      @rasurin Před 5 měsíci +15

      ​@@Xfade81hi Greg 2

  • @kena50
    @kena50 Před 5 měsíci

    This is a really great content! Thank you GN!

  • @polacofederos
    @polacofederos Před 5 měsíci +1

    love the 3dfx box on top on the back

  • @Hennue
    @Hennue Před 5 měsíci +77

    I think I remember from your video on californian power supply regulation that idle draw plays a huge role in overall power consumption. At least for non-gaming use, I could imagine most systems run hot for 0.5s to load a program/webpage and then idle 99% of the time.
    So I am glad you mentioned idle draw at the end and am looking forward to your tests on this.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  Před 5 měsíci +58

      Great memory! I bet not a lot of people remember that one. Will be doing idle over the next couple months!

    • @Voodoo_One
      @Voodoo_One Před 5 měsíci +5

      @@GamersNexus Great to hear.
      A fun aspect on the side: Since I do a lot of normal office work on a daily basis (self employed), I used for the last 5-6 years a notebook with a dock instead of the big gaming machine in the daily activity - only for games and higher workloads (Blender, compiling, ...) I turn on the big machine.
      Living in germany with higher prices for power it does make a difference, since notebooks are extremly power efficient. For my case it made especially sense, since I need a mobile device anyway for visits to the client. So a win-win.

    • @pradeepchinna5545
      @pradeepchinna5545 Před 5 měsíci

      @@GamersNexus I think Intel got this one, I have done extensive search on this topic on Internet. Intel 12th gen+ wins every time.

    • @lesath7883
      @lesath7883 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@pradeepchinna5545Are you willing to bet your paycheck on that?

  • @rellikai945
    @rellikai945 Před 5 měsíci +101

    Man Greg really on a tear of headassery lately.
    Someone needs to stop this absolute menace to society!

  • @kingzilant
    @kingzilant Před 5 měsíci +2

    I love the new snarkier Steve lol the energy is just entertaining and informative... keep it up GN.

  • @andysPARK
    @andysPARK Před 5 měsíci

    Superbly helpful information again, thanks :)

  • @shockwave77598
    @shockwave77598 Před 5 měsíci +237

    The issue with power is also the costs to COOL the chip. In addition to the cost to power the chip, you need a bigger cooler. Aaaand the heat goes into the house, which means in summer you also have to power an AC more to move it out of the house too.

    • @MrQuay03
      @MrQuay03 Před 5 měsíci +64

      But you get a good heater in the winter, lol

    • @jmiller6066
      @jmiller6066 Před 5 měsíci +30

      It's also a big deal for SFF builders like me, where cooling is already constrained

    • @Postman00
      @Postman00 Před 5 měsíci +9

      @@MrQuay03use heat pumps. >100% efficiency.

    • @connivingkhajiit
      @connivingkhajiit Před 5 měsíci +8

      @Postman00 COP is different from efficiency

    • @saywhat9158
      @saywhat9158 Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@MrQuay03Not an equal trade off in global warming where winter is only at best 3 months long for the majority of people.

  • @silverarm6130
    @silverarm6130 Před 5 měsíci +180

    Nice work on this one. Power consumption and power efficiency are two of the most important yet overlooked aspects of this technology.

    • @pino_de_vogel
      @pino_de_vogel Před 5 měsíci

      sadly optimal power target/limit was never shown as they capped fps for gaming not power which is hot the correct way to go about it.

    • @user-lp5wb2rb3v
      @user-lp5wb2rb3v Před 5 měsíci +6

      intel bulldozer moment lol

    • @MultiOlimac
      @MultiOlimac Před 5 měsíci +13

      some intel fanboys only state that the 14900k smokes amd just because of raw performance while drawing three times or more wattage. thats what they never tell users, and also that it gets hotter while doing so.

    • @esotericjahanism5251
      @esotericjahanism5251 Před 5 měsíci

      @@MultiOlimac Well TBF some people don't really care about it if they have the money for a proper cooling solution. Most people just aren't going to figure power efficiency into a Gaming build. A server or workstation that's going to be running 24/7 and there's going to be dozens of them? yeah people are going to care then. But most gamers are just going to buy the CPU that gets them the best frames that's within their budget or other build constraints.

    • @user-to7ds6sc3p
      @user-to7ds6sc3p Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@pino_de_vogel no. Why would you limit power for gaming? You want a smooth experience first and power efficiency second. Limiting power low enough to potentially destroy or have fluctuating framerate kinda defeats the whole point. No sane person buys a top end CPU to look themself out of 60+FPS gaming.
      Limiting power for non gaming makes way more sense, because you don't need a specific speed/framerate to get a enjoyable experience.

  • @WigneyR
    @WigneyR Před 5 měsíci +2

    The new mouse mats look awesome, they do look a little too small height/depth wise though seems closer to a bar mat size but I could be wrong I’ll have to check the sizes on your website

  • @gmonkman
    @gmonkman Před 5 měsíci

    Great piece of testing and analysis

  • @elforeign
    @elforeign Před 5 měsíci +66

    Steve, wow, the GN team delivers some of the best most objective content on CZcams full stop. And while the comment leading to this video was wild, the testing and analysis of power consumption and efficiency in real world application is incredible and eye opening - thank you for this and hope to see this work in future videos for future cpus and gpus

  • @DarioCastellarin
    @DarioCastellarin Před 5 měsíci +32

    A minute of silence for Greg's paycheck.

  • @infiniteagony5495
    @infiniteagony5495 Před 5 měsíci

    Thank you for giving us this awesome video Greg

  • @nakotaapache4674
    @nakotaapache4674 Před 5 měsíci

    Great comparison, well done.

  • @malinpl2
    @malinpl2 Před 5 měsíci +123

    This is the best CPU test ever. This should be presented to all people who want to build their new PC

  • @watercannonscollaboration2281
    @watercannonscollaboration2281 Před 5 měsíci +29

    I’m pretty sure when Amit had his 7 leftover X3D CCDs he never could’ve imagined how much of a game changer (pun unintended) a server part would become in performance and efficiency

  • @willie9899
    @willie9899 Před 5 měsíci

    Long term, instructions per watt would be pretty interesting. It helps highlight what company is actually improving their efficiencies (and heat).

  • @disafear3674
    @disafear3674 Před 5 měsíci

    That was some very cool experimentation and data!

  • @friendlyhobo6483
    @friendlyhobo6483 Před 5 měsíci +76

    The money you waste on electricity can be deducted when you realize the intel cpu’s can be used as a duel purpose heater for your home.

    • @DimkaTsv
      @DimkaTsv Před 5 měsíci +21

      On other hand your power bill will double on air conditioner during summer.
      P.S. There is centralized heating during winters where i live, so even there Intel CPU will make things worse by overheating room up to point when temperature forces me to open window to cool it down

    • @R4d1o4ct1v3_
      @R4d1o4ct1v3_ Před 5 měsíci +11

      This just gave me a flashback to ancient times, when we used to make that joke about AMD CPUs xD
      The pre-Ryzen era really was dark times all around.

    • @greebj
      @greebj Před 5 měsíci +6

      We just need to run it at negative GHz so it sucks heat out of your room in summer
      Hurry up and figure it out already, Science

    • @walterwhite415
      @walterwhite415 Před 5 měsíci +3

      @@greebj Just go to the bios and set a negative offset of 10ghz on your CPU and boom, your CPU is running backwards now! ggez

    • @mikfhan
      @mikfhan Před 5 měsíci +3

      @@R4d1o4ct1v3_ dark days indeed, but now we are back to the Athlon days :D competition rocks!

  • @ShomyMK
    @ShomyMK Před 4 měsíci

    Great analyze and comparison story!

  • @Kaladin_S_
    @Kaladin_S_ Před 5 měsíci

    Really loving the creative intros!

  • @fruzeniusgames
    @fruzeniusgames Před 5 měsíci +51

    Well, thanks Greg for spurring some new testing from GN. Really interesting to see the efficiency between them for real world use cases.

  • @JayBe443
    @JayBe443 Před 5 měsíci +62

    You guys do outstanding testing for consumer products, with data and knowledge of how it applies. All while making it easy to understand. You guys rock.
    Considering my basic, general understanding of computers, watching a shorts series or videos showcasing your testing methods and what they aim to achieve is needed. Alot of things go over my head or lead me into rabbit holes. Maybe thats why google recommend the channel lmao

    • @Lurch-Bot
      @Lurch-Bot Před 5 měsíci

      I think he's on to something here. There is far too much BS flying around in the industry and we need an independent, nonprofit organization to test PC components for safety, efficiency and performance. UL is a joke with their 3D Farce benchmark.
      If anyone could get intel off their butts and designing a modern architecture, I bet Steve can. The problem is they've been huffing their own farts for too long over there at intel and they've gotten complacent. Now the entire world can see what BS artists they are.
      This troll post that prompted all this new testing was undoubtedly the direct result of intel propaganda. Why put the effort into R&D when troll bots are cheaper and more effective?

  • @weirdyoda04
    @weirdyoda04 Před 5 měsíci +1

    It’s not just extra power used to run the processor but in places like here in Florida you need to spend the extra power cooling the living area that much more.

  • @Slimmeyy
    @Slimmeyy Před 5 měsíci +1

    Glad to see different electricity prices included. I don't know our exact rate, but the average in the Netherlands is €0.40 / kWh. I might not game 8 hours per day, but we've got 2 gaming PCs that will probably add up to close to that 8 hours. We've currently got a 5950X and 5600 so I feel the difference won't be that noticeable, but it's good to know.

  • @DeSinc
    @DeSinc Před 5 měsíci +5

    Did that test of 8 hours of gaming include idle usage? HWinfo says that intel uses less power at idle but I have seen some from-the-wall figures that suggest this isn't the full story so I'd like to see the numbers on, say, 12-14 hours of usage, with only 2 of those hours being gaming, and the rest being browsing or video watching and being idle while you're away from the PC, and see which one wins there. It's because I have heard that intel uses less power at idle so I always wonder at what point intel would win overall for power usage if you leave your PC on idle a lot, or do low energy tasks for long periods of time like watch lots of youtube videos.

  • @blablabla8297
    @blablabla8297 Před 5 měsíci +22

    My favorite part of using efficient CPUs is that I can use air cooling without having the fans spin to audible levels while gaming. The electricity saving is a bonus.

    • @meekrab9027
      @meekrab9027 Před 5 měsíci

      Buy a good case? I haven't heard a fan spinning since 2015

    • @scudsturm1
      @scudsturm1 Před 5 měsíci

      @@meekrab9027 no spinning? then u need to visit a server room, then u get up to speed very quickly

  • @Yoshi0597
    @Yoshi0597 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Thank you very much for this test. One side note I want to mention. What would happen on an 14700K/14900K if you would disable the E-Cores at the Gaming Tests? You showed us a test with Intel APO tool. You can achieve the same whilst using Process Lasso for example. I personally don‘t think, that that would elevate those cpus to another level, but it may be possible, that you can achieve higher fps values and or reduce power consumption.
    Just fascinating how efficient nearly all AMD processors are.
    Keep up the good work ❤

  • @HondaWagovan
    @HondaWagovan Před 5 měsíci +1

    I love the absolute sass that Steve has, makes these super informative videos very entertaining.

  • @Shiny_Dragonite
    @Shiny_Dragonite Před 5 měsíci +91

    Thanks for owing them a paycheck, Greg! Not only was this video entertaining, it's also incredibly useful. Context: my eyes can't notice a difference on anything above 90 FPS, so I tend to look for more power efficient/cheaper CPUs, especially now that I live in a place where power costs fluctuate wildly and I also spend 9 hours a day at a minimum on my PC for work and use the same for gaming. I haven't had a top of market gaming setup since the first gen i7 because it hasn't been worth the investment to me.

    • @matejboras9279
      @matejboras9279 Před 5 měsíci +3

      exactly this... Planned to build 5800x3d and 4060 for that low TDP and good performance.

    • @carolares
      @carolares Před 5 měsíci

      maybe you should re-evaluate other gpus for that CPU choice, the only reason getting a 4060 is if the price is insanely cheap otherwise you're wasting that CPU power or your money@@matejboras9279

    • @LeLe-pm2pr
      @LeLe-pm2pr Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@matejboras9279 fyi, the 4070 is a muuuuuuch better choice than the 4060ti 16gig, and it's probably the most competitive of all 4000-series cards, especially in the US, where it dropped as low as 515$, while the 7800xt is still a 500$

    • @everope
      @everope Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@matejboras9279 according to techpowerup, the 4080 is actually the most power efficient (frames per watt), just too bad it's too expensive

    • @matejboras9279
      @matejboras9279 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@LeLe-pm2pr 350$ 4060@115W vs 600$ 6800XT@300W. that's alot of money in pocket on purchase and every month on electricity bill. both can run new games and both wont be relevant in few years... and if you are doing gaming only then a 500$ ps5 is probably a better option for 4k@60 gaming than a 2000$ pc, and that ps5 will still be optimized for 4k until ps6 comes out in 5+ years

  • @anasevi9456
    @anasevi9456 Před 5 měsíci +22

    Given he chose to carry on a fight in a hopeless battle long after it was lost; Greg's Friza icon fits like a glove.

  • @chillgasm
    @chillgasm Před 5 měsíci +1

    would love to see XMRig benchmarks and hashrates/efficiencies across these same cpus and see if it's the same as these gaming tests

  • @zil6470
    @zil6470 Před 5 měsíci

    Good Job, Thank You and keep up the good work!

  • @cd860viu
    @cd860viu Před 5 měsíci +14

    Thanks Greg's paycheck for sponsoring this test :)

  • @JellyLancelot
    @JellyLancelot Před 5 měsíci +12

    Greg out there looking like the CEO of User Benchmark

  • @jette24
    @jette24 Před 5 měsíci +8

    I feel like more should have brought up about AMD selling the 7950x3d saying its the "fastest gaming cpu"...then putting out a faster cpu for 300 less dollars not long after

  • @bryanasher6245
    @bryanasher6245 Před 5 měsíci

    That was fun! Love the work you're doing, great nerd factor! Greg should thank his lucky stars...

  • @MrLense
    @MrLense Před 5 měsíci +57

    It's crazy 10 years ago AMD was in the exact same spot

    • @Qalibrated
      @Qalibrated Před 5 měsíci +3

      Even about 7 years ago, pre-Ryzen. The fake core era. Intel was so far ahead, kinda disappointing to see where they're at now.

    • @haunt97
      @haunt97 Před 5 měsíci +13

      @@Qalibrated thing could have been different if they did not sit on their butt, milking their customer money for few extra mhz for years. It's quite funny

    • @shanesgettinghandy
      @shanesgettinghandy Před 5 měsíci

      Came here to write the same comment, and I also wonder.... is Intel doing the exact same thing AMD did back then? Maybe they've got something up their sleeves and in the meantime they're pushing the old stuff harder and harder to bide time.

    • @CaptainKenway
      @CaptainKenway Před 5 měsíci +4

      @@shanesgettinghandy Intel's big ace in the hole is... copying AMD. They're moving to chiplets (or "tiles" as they're calling them) and working on their own stacked cache solution. It's all quite amusing really, given Intel's previous malicious marketing about "glued together" CPUs.

    • @herbertwalter8693
      @herbertwalter8693 Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@Qalibratedwelcome to the trap that is complacency