The Sopranos: Was Ralph The Devil?
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Ralph prank calling Paulie Walnuts mom is the best scene 😂
👍👍 LMAO 😂😂
“Do you have a son, Peter Paul?” made me wanna see him in a full comedy movie
😁
CLASSIC
Yeah that's the only tyme I liked Paulie...
Another Ralph as the Devil note: traditionally the Devil can't make you do something bad, but he can temp you into it. That's exactly what happened with Jackie Jr., Ralph didn't make him rob the card game but he planted the idea and Jackie went through with it.
Very observant.The sacred and the propane.
No, traditional ancient mysteries believed Lucifer as an allegory of mankind foisting itself from the innocence of the bondage of ignorance wherein we lived in harmony with nature. "Lucifer, oh morning star (God's Sun); Jesus, oh morning star (God's Son)".
And through knowledge(of good and evil) we too would become like God and no longer remain in the Garden of Eden(living with nature as animals).
Demons, Lakes of Fire, Devil, Satan; all came from hysteria & imagination within Dante's Inferno & the Church's exuberance to use graven images to control the masses.
There's more to it...but no Ralphie was not a source of illumination upon which a pilgrimage can be sought after to gain wisdom, intellect, and adept esoteric knowledge. So Ralphie is not "the Devil". 🤣
That relates to almost anybody
Hes not the devil and Christoher wasn't narrating from hell...that line was just a reference to the TV show.
@@MrDeano-eu9rg I dont know how you could watch the opening to Many Saints and come away with the idea that its anything BUT Chris narrating from hell. Thats exactly what he says.
Joe Pantoliano once said that Ralphie was a character that you didn't love to hate but hate to love.
I love to love him. At least he's honest about himself being a degenerate mobster, and having a little fun along the way
Also he's just fun to watch, way funnier than supposed-to-be-a-comic-relief Paulie
Was so mad he got killed off so early
Joey Pants.
@@Maw0Joey Pants has been one of the best cinema villains out there
True
Also it’s worth noting that two of Ralph’s actions contributed greatly to the downfall of Tony and the Soprano/Dimeo family - the killing of Tracee (leading to the killing of Ralph, leading to dysentery in the ranks) and the Ginny Sack joke, hurting relations with New York
He didn't have to kill Ralph though, Tony knew the rules of being a made man, that downfall is on him
I think you mean dissent in the ranks, not a general lack of vitamin C in the Jersey crew
@@bgdojo What consequences came of killing Ralph? Sure the loss in money but I can't remember anything specific idk, I don't remember anyone really being on his side
@@minnumseerrundI was wondering if that was a little carmine joke.
@@mike902 it's a christopher one. He said it to Tony.
Tony and Silvio admired Tracee's figure as she walked away from them. Silvio comments, "She's a real thoroughbred', linking Tracee to Pie-O-My.
I thought about that about tge third rewatch just a couple days ago. And that dream sequence where he’s having sex w Charmaine
That's a good spot I didn't pick that up before
Another fun detail about Ralph: Tony might feel guilty about killing him when he was on a road to redemption, as he dreams of Ralph with a caterpillar turning into a butterfly, something Melfi believe symbolizes change.
holy crap i never thought abt it like that. i really don’t think he burnt the stable down.
@@isaacmorales1419for some reason I don't think he burnt it down either. Just the way he reacts
@@isaacmorales1419 It was confirmed by the showrunners that it was Ralphie who burned the stables down for the insurance money, though the actor for Ralph was never told who started the fire, so his reaction would have been genuine
i think it's pretty important though that the specific species is a death's head hawk moth, the same species used in silence of the lambs. while Ralph is sitting next to Carmella, with rosary beads hanging on the mirror, talking to her and adjusting the tune of the radio to the (good) news, the radio outputs gunfire, screaming, explosions and sirens, which seems more like hell.
Damn, the amount of layers in this show is insane. Great work Kino, with this level of investigation you could be working at the FBI
I think he’s to smart for that
Ohhh. Are you saying what I think you're saying?
Well
You oughta know sweetie…..
I know David Chase put in a lot of subliminal reference to Ralph being a devil. But I just don't see how Ralph is any worse than Tony or Paulie or any of the rest of them.
I couldn't agree more, especially when you compare Ralph to Tony himself. I mean he's not a hypocrite about being a piece of shit and accepts whereas people like Tony try to justify themselves when they do equally heinous stuff. It's hard to tell if Ralph had true remorse about everything after his sons hospitalization but still.
None of them were "good", hence the fact that they were all fucked one way or the other in the end
With most characters, you see them as humans with some evil traits. With Ralph, you see him as pure evil in a human body. It's not until after his son is critically injured that you see that Ralph is human as well. I think the point of Ralph's tiny redemption arc is to show that he wasn't really different from the rest of the mobsters even though we may have seen him as being worse somehow.
Remember, Tony threatened and probably would have had Gloria killed for basically the reason Ralph killed the stripper. They both preyed on the vulnerable, the only difference was that Tony had a soft spot for animals.
He's not literally the devil, he just throws the disgustingness of their way of life in their faces in a way that's impolite and hard for them all to deal with. He's the horrible shit that they have to live with as a result of their twisted code of conduct, twisted up in a repulsive human sausage that they can't just kill bc he's a made guy who hasn't broken any of their rules and makes them a lot of money. So no he's not more evil than they are, but his evil lets its balls hang more
Tony is also portrayed as the devil in season 6 when Christopher sees them all laughing at Paulies joke about his daughter. Tony’s hair looked like horns and everything.
I grew up around a Ralph, I learned over time that anyone in his circle was in danger. either directly or indirectly.
We should also mention it’s interesting how David Chase confirmed Ralph burned Pie O My in life, but no one mentions that he could’ve caused Valentina to burn beyond the grave. Tony took his horse and his girl, instead of talking to Tony or moving on, he’d rather see both burn. A devil’s remedy, the fire.
Wow great point. I could picture Ralphy in hell, laughing and giggling at Valentina on fire.
Are you going to operate on me?
Ralph started from the start as an evil bastard and didn't try hiding it unlike the others who fake their kindness. He didn’t wear a mask to hide his evil in other words, something that you see Tony and the others do so when he starts to repent it comes off as genuine.
Very good point. We know the devil is evil and recoil from that evil. Ralph is rather proud to be a complete bastard. He's not subtle and cunning like the devil, or in this case Tony, would be.
And yet the last episode he's in we see his only real human moment where he cares for his injured son in the hospital
not as evil as the saints of newark being released
😂👍🏾
Ohhhh Rim Shot!
lol that shit was 🚮
i think it was possibly rushed, or id say maybe he didnt have all the creative freedom we think he did@@Fuccauf
it was never supposed to be about sopranos, but about newark. Like how Quake 2 has nothing to do with Quake 1 but whatta ya gonna do?
He wasn’t the devil, a lot of his actions were him drugged out of his mind on coke or being in a standoff with Tony or someone in his crew. That was the point of the dream sequence when Tony saw the butterfly on his neck
Ralphie had a genuine chance at redeeming himself if he lived, whereas Tony got infinitely more unlikeable & evil as the series progressed. Ralphie was a mirror to Tony & his own actions
It's the Stringer and Marlo effect. Stringer was evil, but had layers to him. To the point, where you ended up rooting for him at one point. Marlo was pure evil, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Ralph was like Stringer in that respect. You had sympathy towards him in the end. Tony was indeed a mirror to Ralph. However, he became far worse than he did in the end.
Obviously he wasnt literally the devil, its called a metaphor
@@gafibla I know that obviously but he still wasn’t unrepentant evil either which is the point
Ralph would have never redeemed himself...he was evil and amoral to his core.
@@gafiblaCharles Schwab over ‘ere
Personally, I've always thought of Tony Soprano, not Ralph, as the devil, but the whole point of the show is to give us sympathy for him. As the story goes, no matter how hard he tries to be a good person, the evil that surrounds him will always pull him back to darkness, until he became so entrenched in it, that he stopped caring about being seen as the bad guy.
He also gives very tempting offers to various characters in the show, only to have dire consequences behind them, and he has built an incredibly comfortable life because of these Luciferesque bargains.
You're right, Tony got worse as the series went on especially in season 6
Yes, there are many times that the show is telling us Tony is the devil. The strongest one that comes to mind is him in the casino at Las Vegas, getting good luck at the tables after he killed Christopher and was partying with Christopher's Las Vegas girlfriend. While he is winning, the camera pans to a slot machine with the devil on it.
I agree with you, but Ralph stands as an extremely strong candidate anyway. Tony also got all bloated and fat and lifeless by the end of the show (a frankly disgusting sight) indulged in mortal sin and corruption, a bit like Judge Holden in Blood Meridian who's also supposed to be the devil.
@@courtneyshannon2621 By far one of the most disgusting parts of the show.
@@KARKATELCESARENVIADODESA-pv4yd Yep, and it hits especially hard after the whole coma and thinking about changing for the better during the hospital scenes.
Fun fact Cifaretto translates to Cypher, a character also played by Joe Pantoliano in The Matrix. 🌠
You’re on to something 👍
“I want to be rich. You know, someone important, like an actor.”
He’s that bastard? Man this guy has a knack for playing some truly despicable characters
Yes. So it's basically "Lucifer", so the hint was always on the top.
Robert Deniro plays "Lou Cypher", who is actually the devil, in Angel Heart
I love this supernatural discussion around Halloween time! I really want to see more and would love to see more topics like this, maybe one about the medium Paulie went to see.
I actually talked about that in my "Are There Ghosts In The Show?" video
@@PureKino another great video Kino, tahnks!
@@PureKino Re-upload for Halloween?
@@Werdxp just watch it, what he gotta reupload it for
@@PureKinoGhostbusters! Another fucking money machine!
I'm gonna go get the popcorn, get the popcorn.
You hear what he said tone? He said he's gonna get the popcorn, get the popcorn hehe
Always with the scenarios...
Fucking parakeet
Always found Ralphie the most detestable character, but simultaneously respected his hustle.
Interesting, either AJ or Carmella gets my vote for most detestable characters on the show. Carmellas blatant hypocrisy and AJ's entitlement really get under my skin. Id much rather spend time with Ralph over those two.
He had a bit of a redemption arc.. That being said, people saying Tony shouldn't have hit Ralph because he was a made man are silly. Ralph murdered Tony's employee then disrespected him to his face by lying about how she died. That alone could get even a made man whacked.
Agreed. I saw an old episode of MASH Joe Pantaliano did has a very young man last week. Stolen Identity or something . I've seen it a million times but seeing it reminded me that much of why we love and hate Ralph is in Joe's knockout performance.
@@sole__doubt Rather spend time with a psycho over Carmella. Just say you’re gay bro
Ralph was annoying and insufferable from his first appearance. We as the audience share the same view of Ralph as Tony. He’s a good earner and does his work well, but we don’t want to see him one minute longer than we need. After he beats Tracee to death and the stable mysteriously burns down money goes out the window, Ralph was a bigger risk than he was worth. If Ralph was kept alive he would have kept going until the heat would have caught up with him and the family. Bodies are bad for business, a true mobster’s favorite color is green with a dead guy on it, not red on a dead guy.
My theory is Paulie burned it down to cause friction between Ralphie and Tony.
@@mrneutral8423 absolutely not. Paulie was by the book kind of guy, even when getting emotional.
Nah
A nice detail from the show i think get overlooked is that Ralph said in one episode that if he didn't drop out of highschool (so i don't think the boat thing is canon, because of that line and the fact it would probably turn the audience against Ralph to early on) he wanted to be an architect. So i think Ralph great success with construction stems from his architectural passions, because he would know thoroughly the ins and outs of the game.
Tony killed Ralph because he pointed out his hypocrisy. It wasn’t about Tracee, and it wasn’t about Pie-oh-mine.
My.
Your what?
No the horse is named Pie-O-My
Ralph was up there with Ritchie for being truly depraved. Whilst many of the others can play that face of being the Honourable old school guy sometimes. Ralph absolutely can’t. He is pure trash and has no shame for anything he does.
To be fair, Ritchie always insisted in good grammar.
Richie understood the plight of women
The worst is Bobby Baccala Sr. His smile when he executed Sallys innocent friend made me think that he joined the mob in order to live out his dark urges.
EDIT: RIP Burt Young
No loose ends
Sally himself was one of the worst, if not the worst. Beating up Vito's brother in a coma for talking to his girlfriend. Even Bobby Sr referred to Sally, his own godson, as a "piece of shit".
“No Mr. Baccala” lol
He wasn’t that innocent, he was actively hiding mustang sally knowing he’d fractured some guys skull with a golf club for nothing
Just some old guy.
He was always one of my favorite characters. No he's not the devil just a crazy fucker. The devil doesn't cry when his son is paralyzed
I think that the purpose of Ralph's change is to show that Tony didn't feel empathy anymore. In the same period where he mourns a horse he also doesn't care for a person that has suffered a tragedy and looks like has started to change for the better. As he's killing him he accuses Ralph of killing an "innocent creature", while some suggest that may refer to the Tracee I don't agree because it doesn't make sense to use the word "creature" in such context. In addition, Tony generally resents anyone who manages to improve their life. Like how he couldn't support Chris when he tried to remain sober or how he couldn't let Janice be at peace after she started to successfully get a hold on her anger issues. Likewise seeing Ralph become slightly better would activate those same frustrations and he would hate him even more than he normally did.
You’re right about how Tony was regarding Chris improving but you are wrong about Janice making any real changes
We’re all God’s creatures and Tony looks at the picture of Tracee the scene after
And Tony B going straight
@@andy4717Yeah. And if Vito had gone straight, it would've been Tony who whacked him instead of Phil.
@@RogueTheologyTony was being a self righteous ass. He got mad Ralphie called him fat & used Tracee/the horse as his justification. Ralphie even almost talked his way out of that entire fight right up until he made the vegetarian comment.
Kino, this was by far one of the BEST videos I've ever seen on CZcams about The Sopranos from ANY Sopranos content creator. Salúd, Kino. My twenty fvckin' years were worth it and you've definitely earned your stripes of soft drinks of choice.
About the kinky shit, when he was splitting with Rosalie, she did NOT look happy about their sex life. "Putting up with all your fucking ...shit" are not the words of a satisfied woman... That woman went through a lot, her grief was so painful...
She definitely said something about it
The buttpiracy and sleeping around with widows and close associates are a lead-in to bullshit bringing things to an indefensible point with tony B and vito. Although neither would be tolerated, ig chase's overarching point is that this sort of deviance and disrespect, to associates and to women, to lie to peoples' faces about to push forth an agenda, is absolutely a killing blow in italian affairs.
Whats funny is Rosalie seems more the type to me to secretly get off on domination than anyone
Either him or Ritchie Aprile. Aprile was utterly psychopathic, of course, thinking nothing of making a man a paraplegic over a grievance that could have been addressed in a much more civil manner (that's putting it mildly).
Everyone in this show acted so incredibly well. Ralph’s actor really sold me on the character, I didn’t watch the sopranos until a few years ago and was so surprised ralphie was the captain in the bad boys movies
Ralph’s redemption wasn’t about Ralph it was about tony not being able to stand that Ralph had changed for the better.
I came home one evening and there you were with another video.
The video is very enjoyable.
Excellent.
I love the line "she was a beautiful, innocent creature! What did she ever do to you?". What could Pie-o-My have done? She was a horse?
Tony was probably referring both to the horse and to Tracie
I mean, it can kick, bite, kill. Probably didn't deserve to be burned alive.
Him trying the girl at a early age had nothing to do with with drug addiction if they would have included that it would have shown you how evil Ralph was
It was also the same episode he said he had to drop out to help his mama and he was supposed to be an architect and Tony gives a rude and condescending look.
Pure kino, you have no business being so funny in all your videos. Top tier references
A new video that's only 5 hours old as I type this? Nice! I like your videos man. Just finished watching Sopranos from start to finish for the umpteenth time, so coming across your videos was a real treat. I always like getting new insight from this show.
Awesome videos really enjoyed it. I been watching all your videos past year and half I believe and they are all really good content
Something has just occured to me.
Has it ever shown Ralph actually ever doing coke? I ask this because is it possible that he might say he does to provide an excuse for other behaviour?
He did do coke in the bathroom with Janice I think.
He did coke with Janice
Ah ok. Missed that scene
He was also doing coke with Tracy in his house before Silvio came to pick her up
Superb video. Very well thought out and presented. The allegory and the propane.
It's a complete ripoff a post on the subreddit
Nice work Kino, I really enjoyed the details in this one👍
Well, Ralph was the funniest character on the show. That prank call to Nucci Gaultieri, cruel as it is, is one of the funniest scenes on the whole show.
I don’t know how to put this delicately…he was sucking a cub scouts dick
Oh madone I got blue cross blue shield!
Nah we all know Paulie is the funniest
Livia is the funniest
@@tonylipsmire5918💯
Ralphie wasn’t the Devil. He was just doing a lot of coke but he’s over that now.
The theological element is a subtle, yet constant presence, in the Sopranos. Along with at least one other. Thank you for tackling one aspect of it.
Fantastic video. Thanks for this lil ditty! Guy was amazing in the goonies. And even better in sopranos
I love your dedication to your videos !
"Please allow me to introduce myself 😈."
Good analysis! Best show ever written.
This video is a perfect example of why I love this channel. Absolutely superb
Considering I’ve met real people like Ralph, he’s not the devil; just a well-written abuser.
Ralph's entrance in the bing was one of the funniest moments of the show.
I think Tony asking "did he have penisary contact with her Volvo?" is right up there too
Dude, love your vision. Great material
Great video as always .
Was paulie a falling angel? Wings, forced to roam the planet for eternity while everybody he knows dies around him.
That's allegorical.
Satanic black magic. Sick shit.
The sacred and propane
Ralph was the most charismatic and flamboyant character in the whole show.
Not charismatic at all. Everyone couldn’t stand him. They just tolerated him because he was a good earner.
@@Redwhiteblue-gr5em he was full of witty satire, always doing something to light the room up.
@@australian2 gee I must of missed those episodes
That's a funny way of spelling "Silvio"
Bro said charismatic😂
another banger great work kino!
Great video, Kino!
I like this breakdown. There have been some serial killers who claimed they were the devil himself, but someone like Ralph would be a better example. As the devil would not just be about killing a bunch of people, but causing havok and turmoil and ruining lives, and getting other people to do terrible things too.
I love Ralphie. He's one of those characters that makes every scene he's in better. He's so slimy.
This was good thank you for sharing❤
Ralphie in season 4, showed that he really wasnt an evil sociopath. He reminds a lot of someone who never mattured after high school. He knows he is a POS, but he doesnt care enough to do anything about it... When his son almost died, he finally realized all of the evil he has done over the years.
Right before his death, Ralph said multiple things to Tony about how his behavior is dissonant. The last thing someone with NPD wants to hear, is that their delusional/dissdent world view, isn't accurate... So Tony's reaction was very accurate.
What exactly do you mean by dissident? Like that Tony behaved in a way that caused others to not respect him as a boss?
@@adiedits8027
Meant 'dissonant' lol
I'll correct that.
I don't think Tony Cared about Tracy as much as he was reminded of His own daughter Meadow
Tony was the devil, Ralph was a demon. How can the order of things in hell be overlooked?
Great analysis once again
Can't wait to watch this video, and I'm gonna turn my hearing aid up so I don't miss anything!
Ralph did for fun what his colleagues did for a purpose.
Amazing episode loved it
I like these kinds of episodes Kino….keep ‘em up more in depth character analysis
His cameo in Tony’s dream. With the moth. Very allegorical.
Ralphie and Richie both, really the entire show's roster of characters, are filmed depictions of the feeling of Sonder: the realization that each individual person that's ever existed has lived their own lives, with their own relationships, dreams, and darknesses. Ralph is a total piece of dog shit, but he still recognized it at least and was also a product of the Mob Life in a way
The handsome contest comment at the end literally made me lose it!!!😂
Nice video as always, Kino!!
Well done video kino
I liked Ralph cause of him going out of his way to try and make people laugh and win them over (before the yayo) and the show made it clear he was one of the few that was actually smart and making money, and I think the best time of the show was when he was around
He should have never started with that shit
To me it was Livia's time in season 1. The show was never the same for me after that, happens to me with many shows tbh the first season is always the best I don't know why.
it sucks but we also secretly love ralph especially with his son his situation because we all realize that ralphs flesh and sin always got in the way of his true desires which is very similar to what all of us regular people go through but just not as extreme in most cases
This might be my favorite Kino video
Fkn great analysis 🤘
I was so glad when Tony killed him. I couldn’t care less about his sexual kinks, but he killed an innocent woman and an innocent horse. And yeah, Ralph was distraught about his son but that’s his blood so he gets no brownie points for that from me.
He had an arch
So did noah!
Sydney harbour bridge had an arch
Was just watching your vids when this popped up lol
Top marks for this one Kino!
I was so happy when Tony took him out. But I was even more happy when Tony himself got taken out as well.
No body no murder bud, Tony himself says
@@elmizzoxwas definitely Gene’s son though. Even wearing his dads jacket
Tony soprano made the show why would u be happy
@@roshawnseeny2531 You still was rooting for the guy after he killed Chris even? he lost most of the audience by that point
@@Werdxp I could care less if he died or not he was a fictional character
Ralph's character in my opinion just goes just show how warped Tonys morality has become where he gives Ralph a slap on the wrist for killing a stripper because he's a good earner but murders him over killing a horse.
Ralph even seems to get closer to the crew after he kills the stripper hanging out with them more frequently.
He murdered him for killing the girl as much as he did for killing the horse
The lyrics in the show blew my fucken mind
So simple to add but the context and overall story writing wow
Ralph fit in well with the other Big Three monsters on the show: Richie Aprile and Phil Leotardo. Four if you count Uncle Junior. And I guess five if you count Livia! What a sinister bunch!
why would junior be considered that bad? not that hes not a murderer and more but seemed to have some semblance of a code
@@yungpableezy69 Well, he was trying to kill Tony at one point, and was just an evil SOB. I guess they all were, but the Big Three that l mentioned were actively trying to destroy Tony, as were his uncle and -- mother!
I'm guessing you didn't see TMSoN: Uncle Junior was probably the best thing about it, and it revealed/confirmed who he is...
... That said, don't feel like you have to watch that movie.
Livia was the worst.
I honestly do believe it was a turning point in Ralph's life where he would have turned himself around. But, it is a case of too little, too late. And with Tony killing him, he never got the chance.
wow. great video. you just earned a subscriber
Welcome to the crew!
doing drugs and being a masochist =/= being a serial killer in an organized crime ring, why do people always focus on that stuff when they're talking about how evil the guy who had his own son in law murdered?
I wish we got more episodes with "good guy" Ralph
Yeah and the point was to deny us of this experience?
I liked Ralph because of how independent and fearless he was
Others were pure sycophants while Ralph actually talked to Tony like an equal, minus some placating here and there
Only Richie had this kind of one man army vibe to him
Tony was too petty and insecure to have such men in his family
I like Tony Blundetto he was a calmer Ralph but of course he had to be done away with like everyone else in Tony's life.
yo dis was actually so fire bro keep this up fr💯💯 n the sympathy for the devil shit blew my mind I never noticed it😂
Always with the Scenarios!
This is one of the things I hate the most about David Chase straight up telling us things the audience shouldn’t know.
He eventually said that Ralph did kill Pie-O-My. I actually was of the opinion that Ralph was undergoing a transformative time.
Remember how surprised Tony was that he went to see the priest? How truly sorry he was about Jackie once he could relate to Rosalie? He wasn’t just down he was acting completely different. My interpretation was that he was having a Crime and Punishment-like rebirth. The arrow that hit his son literally came from the Sky. We all know how much Tony hates it when people improve themselves.
I also heard the theory that Paulie actually burned the horse to get back at Ralph bc Tony ruled against him. Which fits into my theory.
I think that shitty mson movie was the worst thing he did.
Ralph wasn’t the devil. Ralph had remorse when his son was injured. He may have turned his back on the life altogether. He cared enough about Ro not to want to kill Jackie too. It took the potential loss of his own son to to look inwards at his own vile behaviour and attitude to others.
Good call
"He cared enough about Ro not to want to kill Jackie too" wtf he literally arranged this kill?
Who said the devil didn't have feelings? They guy has been given a bad press
Man this analisis Is pretty damn good
Yes he was! Ever since that first episode when he beat that poor woman to death so savagely 😢that scene stayed with me for a while.
Ralphie wasn't the devil he just liked coke and the hoowas
Awesome video!!
Hopefully, more Soprano videos come soon!!
Would love to hear more about deleted scenes, and what implications their removal might have, if any
I'm definitely going to rewatch the Sopranos again.
Always right on time ⏲️ 👌 💯 🙌
Ralph’s killing of Tracie was the moment everything shifts for the show. At the end I just sat in silence for a few minutes.
But it’s also when the show (like all great ones) became leas about its topic and about itself. It’s not navel gazing. It’s examining itself and it’s own purpose.
If he were named Lou Cifaretto I'd totally believe it. 👹