The Honest Pros And Cons Of Living With An EV
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- čas přidán 14. 11. 2022
- Today I discuss my experience living with several fully electric vehicles and how it has changed my mind about EVs!
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If EVs are only being bought by rich people then why are they getting tax incentives? Essentially, poor people are subsidizing rich people. That's crazy.
Originally that was the plan that Joe Biden had and it is obviously working fine ! Why is he still in office ?
I live in the LEZ of the city of Madrid (Spain) and last year as i had to change my company car (lease ending), I asked my company for an EV so I could park around my house and not in a parking outside of the LEZ (my former car was a diesel). I wanted an EV and for my sins they gave me one. It's been one of the worst decision I made in my life. The EV (Skoda Enyaq) is great to drive but it is too big so I never can find a spot so still use my old parking further away. Each trip outside the city (no more than 200 kms away) has been an almost disaster due to the lack of chargers in the country and the time to charge (so visiting Cuenca o Segovia I basicaly spent half of my time looking for a charger and charging instead of visiting). The car has a theoretical autonomy of 522 kms but I never made above 420 kms and highway only 320 kms and now in winter it doesnt give me more than 250 kms!!! Basically it is like not having a car... I'm counting every day until we can return it to the lease company and I get an hybrid. 226 days remaining today 😢. DON'T BUY AN EV, or you will regret it deeply!
Sorry to hear that it has been such an unpleasant experience; thanks for taking the time to warn the rest of us!
I heared that Spain in especially low on chargers and people are not buying so many EVs. I think hugely depends how you use it.
We have more chargers but I have more problems in what I have to spent for a reasonable range (for me) and get shouted at that's took much I want. I said around 100km less than my gasoline Impreza WRX is ok. This was enough to get people offended.
Tesla is the only EV to have. I have a charger in my garage and my employer has multiple free chargers. I have spent $0 on maintenance and effectively have never experienced any range anxiety. The Tesla is the safest car ever made and can be purchased for less than the average new car.
@@KsazDFW Tesla is opening up their charging network to other cars. Also, they still make some of the worst fit and finish cars.
Sorry for your troubles
EVs will never be mainstream unless they, 1- get longer range, 2- get faster charging, and 3- become more affordable. And they need to improve on all of these things greatly, not just by a little bit.
What about servicing?
They should also actually be green.
Chevy. Bolt.
Hey, Japple, how about the fact that they BURN.
@@jessgatt5441 True, but gas cars burn too. And more often. The only big issue with EVs is that when they burn, they burn to the ground. Almost impossible to extinguish.
As a Mach-E GT owner, I can say you nailed it with the charging situation. If you can charge at home with 240 volts, you're golden. It's absolutely amazing, so much better than gas cars.
If you CAN'T charge at home, don't bother with an EV at this point in time. There was about a month after I got the car and before I got a 240v outlet in the garage. Relying on public charging is a complete nightmare. Working chargers that are fast enough are few and far between. I found one at a dealership nearby that could deliver 48 kW which was pretty nice, but that's the ONLY decent charger in my area right now.
Anyway, now I just come home from work, plug the car in and forget about it. I get in the next morning and I have a "full tank"... it's so nice. No gas stations, no range anxiety, nothing. It's so good.
Honestly, if you don't have a house and aren't going for a Tesla, an electric car might not be the best fit. That's why I purchased a hybrid when I bought my new wheels this year.
Tesla was just caught fudging their range numbers using software. I don't trust them as far as I can throw them. My Nissan Ariya has so far proven to be bang on accurate with the estimated mileage even in freezing temperatures (at -3 F it told me I had only 120 miles of my normal 205 at full charge).
Completely agree. I own an electric car (not a Tesla), but I also recognize its not the right option for everyone. I own a house, work from home, and I don't drive as a normal commuter, so home charging for me works just fine. If you drive a lot or do long road trips, a hybrid is a much better option if you are looking for an efficient car.
if you prioritize an EV over owning a house, there is more to worry about than the EV.
Some states (California) are going to remove the ability to prioritize.
@@asdf51501 that will be found unconstitutional. No one challenged it yet, but it will. You have the right to travel anywhere in the US and this limits your range and gives the government the capability to shut your car down.
Exactly
you know some people just simply don't want the responsibility of owning a house and actively choose to not own a house simply to avoid having the thought of having to deal with all the maintenance and things that come with owning your own house
@@Dreyden12274 exactly. Owning a home is a huge financial mistake.
Mate of mine lives in a flat 20 floors up, has an old Tesla. He decided to run a cable out of his flat down to ground level. He wired it in between the 60A main fuse and fuse box .. needed to increase the cross sectional area to cope with the volt drop. So, all good .. then decided to have a night on the town, came home (pissed) didnt notice that someone had cut his charge cable .. walked in home tried switching the light on .. nothing!! .. went to bed, woke up next morning very late to soggy chips in his freezer?😮
That’s what was supposed to happen man. Maybe next time he will remember that he lives in SHARED space 😏.
This might be the most British thing I've ever read.
Some of those $130,000 cars have a resale value of $60,000 to $80,000 only one year after original purchase. If that EV is in an accident and the insurance company writes it off as a total loss, then the owner may find that the payout is inadequate to pay off the loan.
Good point. I imagine that insurance companies would be willing to cover that gap between market value and loan balance, for an extra fee off course.
Try looking at the depreciation curve of a Mercedes. No one is buying $130K EV’s as they really don’t even exist anymore. A new Model Y is literally, $45K after Gov Rebate
@@cherokee180c0 I wouldn't count on a rebate in these United States. The U.S. Department of Energy was just caught committing major fraud by grossly overstating the effective mpg in order to justify the rebates. A multiplier of 6.7 was being applied to the actual effective mpg of energy consumption.
@@gaiustacitus4242 The rebate is already law. Good luck with predicting the future of legislative changes.
@@cherokee180c0 I can predict that the existing EV tax credit, which was passed based on a major fraud, will become a political hot potato that the majority in Congress will want to avoid association with. While it was extended until 2032 by being embedded in the Inflation Reduction Act (an ironic name for a law that increased the rate of inflation), it will likely be repealed as a result of DOE's actions and the general lack of popularity of EVs with the American people.
I have a EV and love it. That said, I also live in a warm climate, have a home charger, have another ICE car as a back up, and don’t have to commute. My EV meets my needs and I think EV’s have great potential. That said, Ben nailed it. EV’s are not ready for prime time for the needs of most people. Hopefully, solid state batteries in another 3-4 years will change that.
You said it better than anyone…you have an ‘ice’ car as a backup, well said…that’s all I needed to hear! 🥳🎉👍
I think that will only make them more expensive , the grid will not be able to support it and i have heard that the producer looses up to 48000 $ for every sold car. People need to buy ev cars now and not in 5 years when all the producers have turned 360 onto ice cars again ! If they stay expensive the ev car will die a slow death.
That instant toeque can play HELL with traction when the snow is deep
If the car didn’t have an amazing traction control system. Tesla’s are fantastic in the snow. Literally hundreds of videos online proving. People should really do more research before posting FUD. It is literally the number one selling vehicle in Norway and last time I checked, they have a bit of snow and ice, LOL.
It’s a shame that they don’t have an ability to change that. Oh wait, a well made EV does.
True, but most EVs have a snow mode to tone down the torque for driving in snow. It's not much different than snow mode on my Jeep where the transmission starts you from a stop in second gear. Same idea...
We had some snow to test my Hyundai Kona and with winter tires and about 5 inches of snow it went quite well.
You're talking nonsense. What, do you floor it in the snow or something?
Mach-E GT here. AWD. Put it in whisper mode. By far the best snow car I've ever had. Even on all seasons, it's great.
The torque is instant, but it only delivers as much torque as you want.
I wish it That the people that keep pushing this see this as clearly as you do . I'm an electrician, I made a mistake of telling Pacific Power which is the power company in the area where I was working that I needed to put in a car charger on a new service. Pacific Power Had a fit when I told him I was adding another 50 amp car charger onto the grid in that area. He told me it would take 3 or 4 months to engineer it into the grid, if I told him I was hooking up a car charger . So our solution to this particular problem was to write on the workorder that we were hooking up a hot tub ! That solved my having to spend 3 or 4 months engineering the service requirement for this particular house.
Dunno. Hot tubs don’t run for 8 hours straight usually, do they? Might be hard to hide in the slightly longer run….
@@BillLaBrie Unless you drive an extraordinary amount, your EV should only charge for an hour or two each night. Each hour of charging adds 20-30 miles of range.
@@jimmurphy5355this comment is so irrelevant. Just because you hardly drive doesn’t speak for the rest of humanity or account for where you live or the public charging infrastructure available
@@rebeccaw8820 On the contrary, the idea that the power company will be troubled that his EV charges for 8 hours at a time is an unlikely scenario. 60 miles a day is over 20,000 miles per year. That is more than most people drive, and 2 hours per day of charging would cover that much driving.
This is definitely a lie. Power companies *like* to sell power. Also, 50A is not required. 30A charges a car just fine. If you really were an electrician, you would know this.
*Drives super inefficient ev*
-omg I have range anxiety 💀💀💀
I’ll never own an EV. But it sort of makes sense to lease one (because depreciation is worse than an ICE car) if you can charge at home.
@@beegdawg007 👍🏻
Exact opposite experience for a full year driving a Tesla, including (2) 3000 mile trips with 0 issues. Your title should read CCS charging is a nightmare and I would fully agree. Tried several CCS charging stops and I will never go back. Too few chargers, half don’t work, charging rates 30% of rating, broken credit card readers, etc, etc. CCS charging infrastructure is NOT ready for prime time.
just a question how much is your tesla worth now on the used car market :D
@@adamsteele6148More than any gas SUV purchased new. All that the drop in new Tesla prices did is make these vehicles match the first year depreciation of a gas car. That curve will still have the same lower slope than a gas car after that step change down. I actually was barely affected because I got my car $12,500 under MSRP when I purchased. Anybody looking at a vehicle as an investment is an idiot, only an issue of how fast you lose money. That is the main reason the variable cost savings is such a big factor with an EV. My 12 year old Hyundai Tuscon is only worth $2800 now. Try to find any Tesla below $12K from any year. Never going to happen the residual value of the battery alone, but they make the perfect City vehicle after losing 30% of their new range.
I own a non-Tesla EV and I absolutely love it, but only because I can charge at 40 amps at home. If I had to rely on public CCS charging, I'd sell it and go back to gas.
@@adamsteele6148 $44,984. Barely lost anything from purchase 1.5 years ago. I paid in the low $50’s. Certainly less than a gas car depreciation and this includes the significant impact from the reduction in new car pricing. Have to include the over $2K of savings last year in variable cost to operate as well. If you include my tax deductions for usage for business the savings are over $3K. Surely anyone able to run a simple TCO model can see at the current pricing Tesla’s are approximately half the pricing of a similar SUV all in.
@@kingcrimson234 luckily you wont have to as Tesla Superchargers are now open to all vehicles. Just need a CCS to Tesla adapter.
In 45 years of driving an ICE car I have never had a problem at the pump. ICE cars and the associated infrastructure just works.
Good video. Thanks
Get rid of it long before the battery warranty runs out. Replacing the battery pack will be megabucks as EV volumes ramp up and rare earth elements for the batteries become more and more scarce.
Say good bye to cars you can keep in the family for decades
I wonder if car leases will be a big thing, because of that.
@@m3rdpwr seeing over $1000 per month payments on regular SUV and trucks these days is scary. Unless cheaper cars comes out EVs are mainly for small group of people
@@sx5707 for me personally, I don't see a fully EV vehicle in my future. Perhaps a hybrid type vehicle, unless some big changes come in the next couple of years. I've been looking at the Subaru Outback or Crosstrek. The Crosstrek hybrid, is like $12,000 more than the base model. That's a lot of gas for a car that someone might only keep for three to five years. Currently I own a 2014 ram 1500 Laramie crew crab. It hasn't caused me any trouble and the only maintenance I've done is oil changes, and just recently maybe two months ago I put on my first set of tires and brakes. It originally had a MSRP of 55K, but I got 9500 off MSRP at the time. To replace that vehicle right now is about $60,000, for an EV version I would expect it to be about $70,000. That is just crazy talk. Cheers
@@m3rdpwr I have 2015 RX450h. When new, the extra $10k w added package to get the hybrid was and is not worth the potential few miles per gallon from the hybrid engine (now that I’ve had it for this long). I’ve only been able to get to 26 MPG. But could be the weight of a RX, if it’s on something lighter might be better MPG.
The best decision I made in a long time was to return my ID.3 lease after 50% of the duration. Sure it cost, but was cheaper than keeping it. Was nice to drive, but expensive to charge, expensive to lease and when more and more people started getting EVs, the waiting times at chargers got longer. I'd only get an EV if you have at home charging and won't ever need on the road chargers for 90% of your driving. I'd also calculate about 40-50% range loss in winters if it gets below freezing. Just to be sure and safe in case you get stuck in traffic.
My Nisan Ariya went from 205 miles range to 120 miles range when the temperature dropped below 0 Fahrenheit. At least the car told me so I could plan accordingly. But if you are unaware of how much range you can lose when it is cold out, you could very well get stuck somewhere.
@@joecoolioness6399 Indeed. Another point is that at least on the ID.3, it's preset to 80% charging limit and they recommend not charging above that to improve battery life. So either you instantly subtract 20% of from the advertised range (which is exaggerated already) and follow that recommendation or ignore it and fear degrading the battery. On a lease car I doubt anyone will care, but for people planning on keeping the car long term it's a bit of a dilemma.
I'm frankly in love withe the new Civic (Touring or Hatchback) & the Integra, gotta go back & watch your reviews on those two,....CHEERS!
Dude dryer outlets are 240. I’ve even seen extension chords out apt windows going to em. I use my dryer outlet too. Most places have them.
Im impressed Ben, that was the most comprehensive vid concerning EV's that I've seen so far, Bravo!
What electric cars can I take to u-haul to put a hitch on it ? What electric cars provide the most miles on a full charge ? What ev's that a hitch can't be put on to tow stuff ?
TESLA
My Tesla model Y has a tow hitch and gets just under 300 miles on a charge.
> What electric cars provide the most miles on a full charge ?
I think currently (April 2024) it's Chevrolet Silverado EV, this thing has a 200kWh battery
I appreciate your honest and sobering review. .
I have a plug in hybrid and my wife has a fiat 500e. It really suits us as we have a charger at home and we maybe charge it once a week as the fiat is used for around town and her commute to work is 5 miles. If we really are going towards full ev cars, then the charging infrastructure needs to be better and quickly. Public chargers break all the time or always in use
Tesla is known for overstating the range of the vehicles. And then there’s the build quality. You are correct about the SuperCharger network - because they maintain their stations to a high standard. Most EV owners charge from home and have daily commutes under 40 miles/day. Even with 100 miles per day you should be just fine - and will save money. You are correct re: Level 1/110V charging, which adds about 3 miles of range per hour. 48 Amp Level 2 home charging adds around 25 miles of range per hour of charging.
I’m three years in and all I’ve had changed are tires. Charging port at home is a must.
The build standards in Tesla are rock solid now in comparison so when they started out. Mine had zero as in no, build issues no panel gaps, etc I get 270 miles on my Model Y. No complaints at all. I love it and superchargers everywhere along he way.
EVs might be the future, but we’re more likely decades away, not years, from being an EV society.
Problem is we don’t have decades!
@@rogermartinez78..... they say that every decade 😂.... you new?
Lol. We got gas for another hundred years.
@@dougvuillemot8670 thank goodness me and you won’t be alive to see what the planet would look like if we burn fossil fuels for one hundred more years!
I would be interested to know if you have done any reviews of EV that DON'T use lithium, eg Sodium.
best review so far
3 years in and my experience has been nothing but fabulous, but I have a Tesla, so I guess that’s it. For a daily commuter car it’s game over for me. Home charging is a must, not good for street parking, I understand.
Of course anyone who doesn't own their own home should plan to take the bus.
EVogoist right here. How many do you think have home charging access? EVs has always been for the middle class and up.
Would it be best to have a backup gasoline vehicle? So basically is it best to keep the EV commutes local? Last year it dropped to -30 F. It got over 100 F this summer. What about long distance? What about power outages?
Don't buy the complete waste of money e.v. Keep your gas or diesel vehicle.Dont get suckered into the disastrous e.v. world being pushed by that old turd Joe!
Our household is two Tesla EVs and no gas car. We have no trouble with long road trips. Cold - really cold - weather might cut the range in half for an EV. But how often and how far do you need to go when it's that cold? If the car has 310 miles on a more temperate day, can you get where you need to (and back) with 155 miles of range? If not, maybe an EV won't work for you. Hot weather is surpsingly easy for EVs. Yes, the A/C uses some power, but the batteries actually work better in the heat, and hot air is less dense than cold air. I find I get noticeably better than average range when I drive in the very hot California central valley in the summer. It is sometimes over 110F along that route, and my car handles it without any issues. Cool inside the car, and I get ~10% more range than on a mild day. Power outages do happen, but since I charge my car at home it is almost always charged up and ready to go hundreds of miles. If I want to go somewhere during an outage, that's not a problem at all. And unless the outage is some really extreme, long lasting and widespread event, If I am headed out on a long trip (that can't be put off) there will almost certainly be a charger in range that is outside the outage area. Tesla also has put massive backup batteries at some key sites, so if the power goes out while you are on a long trip, the charger you are headed for will be working, even if the power in that area is out.
How do you get a gas pump to work during a power outage, Einstein 🤔?
So double your vehicle expense? So dumb. EV's are impractical all around but don't tell this jim fanboy
@@jackmac2874 how do you get your car to charge at home when the power goes out? 🤦 I can just drive to the next town, or maybe even the next block, where a gas station actually has power.
I live in a condo, I can't do anything to the exerior of the building, so for me to own a EV would be pointless. Like you said, you need to own your own home and have a garage. That's only about 50% of the population
every time I bring this subject to someone. they bring the buggies and horses days and how making gas stations were facing the same problems. completely ignoring the fact. that we are living in a different era nowadays. where engineering anything. regarding roads or electric charging stations. gathering data for the use of the correct material or gathering data for the volume of traffic used to charge vehicles is way faster than in the buggies and horses era. the problem is obvious so the excuse for this technology not working. really silly. just because they want something to work. that is not going to make it work. it may get better. but the thought life will turn beautiful just because we are driving an electric vehicle is just as naive as its sounds really!! so thank you for bringing up this discussion.
The difference 100 years ago was that cars were so much superior to buggies and horses people would put up with the infrastructure hassles as they developed. The problem today is that the net practical advantage is minimal since gas cars will already pretty much do what people want so switching to ev isn't more convenient, but less convenient
They lived in a different era back then too. Your argument is baseless.
@@scottwilkins no, I provided quite a bit of basis for my point of view
You’re making a general statement which is baseless. In my case it’s way more convenient than an ice vehicle. I plug in at home, wake up to a full charge. I don’t have sit at Costco for 2 hours in line trying to save 5 cents a gallon. Yes EV’s are not for everybody and they don’t work for some individuals in certain situations but your general statement is completely false and it shows a lack of knowledge that many on here display. @@howebrad4601
This answered a lot of the concerns I have with EV, currently. Especially in Canada where range anxiety is a real thing. In my area, the infrastructure is less than ideal. Then there's the initial price. There's no real incentive for me to buy one over a comparable ICE car at the moment. I hope this changes, but we're not there yet.
Yeah, Canada is too cold for EV. Buying an EV over there is a terrible idea.🤣
You failed to mention the depreciation of EV’s.
You are just throwing money away at an alarming rate.
@@keegan773 that is only an issue for the stupid people who want to trade in a car every three years.
When does a battery need to be replaced?
@@honkeyness9427 BEV batteries typically need to be replaced after 15 years.
Brother you put all of the aspects about EV automobiles in clear perspective. The experience would be nice but we as a nation are not ready for a 100% Electrical changeover anytime soon.
Concerns:
Affordability
Battery recycle
Battery attrition rate
Battery reliability for long range leisure traveling or for truck drivers
Well I will stop there great video really enjoyed it. I will rent one to get the experience but not ready for a 💯 EV change over because I like long range driving.
100% change over rate is impossible to hit in any reasonable timeframe. It will take 25+ years even with stopping the sale of new ICE vehicles in 11 years.
What u think about the lyriq please get a lyriq and do a week review
Just put golf bag holders on all of them and sale them to the golf courses with all the other golf carts!
>range
I had to do a 360 mile round trip drive recently to pick up someone at an airport. It was miserable, and I took an hour break in the middle waiting for the friend due to a delay (more than enough time to charge if needed) and a 10 minute pit stop on the return trip to fill up my gas tank (which I filled after ~250 miles, would have been empty by 300 miles).
So after my worst case long drive, I think I'd be fine with an EV. I wouldn't have wanted to do that much driving without the break in the middle, so taking a break to recharge after 3+ hours of driving isn't a big deal if the car has a 200 - 300 mile range. And with supercharging, even just a 10 minute pit stop would probably have been enough to finish the trip. I firmly believe that anyone who wants to drive longer 3-6 hours without stopping for fuel or charging needs to stop using piss bottles while driving, because that's disgusting.
I have no idea how anyone can do a 100 mile commute regularly. Seems crazy to me.
Lol. Even on a 110 outlet an EV would be perfect for my mom. She drives maybe 100 miles a week, and she's hated using the gas pump, to the point that for a decade now dad needs to bring home Jerry-cans and top up the tank for her. But they also already have an upgraded hookup in the garage for a generator (big storm a few years back).
It's for political reasons she's convinced herself it would never work, but she's the ideal customer 🤣
I always thought that the inverse would be the case; the more you drive, the more you're supposed to save in recharge vs. refuel costs due to the higher initial BEV purchase price. Barely driving the vehicle kind of diminishes the charge at home cost benefits for an EV. This is likely especially the case if she's driving anything other than a passenger car as EV trucks have some other... issues... if you actually use them as trucks. Throw in battery degradation, which is affected by both battery use as well as age, possibly higher insurance costs due to higher initial purchase prices of BEVs as well as potential repairs or likelihood of said EV being totaled due to say, any battery damage. Eh, she might be making the right choice there, maybe she just needs to throw some fuel stabilizer in the tank and wait until BEVs either drop in price or there's no other choice due to government meddling in the markets.
@@yarrik701 Lol, no truck, Outback. For her to drive by herself or with a couple bags of groceries in a truck or giant SUV just 100 miles a week would be an utter waste of money, as well as just ridiculous. And even if there is some weather the outback could handle over an Impreza or other sedan, she's not driving in it anyway.
Compare the cost of the outback to the cost of a Bolt EUV, you're actually looking at initial purchase price savings, and that's without any tax credits. Plus short trips like hers, in all city driving (stop and go through residential areas, main street idling at red lights and traffic, on the highway maybe 6 miles before taking the next exit, etc) it's all in the lower end of the efficiency range for gas vehicles and in the ideal conditions for electric.
Battery degradation costs seem overblown. Look at the cost of a replacement battery for a 2012 Nissan leaf, you're looking between 2k for remanufactured (replacing the bad cells) to 5k for a fully new one. Even if we assume it degrades so much that in 10 years it needs replacement (many are getting 12-14), with how little she drives it it's quite possible that it could brake even or be slightly more than her fuel and oil change savings. But that also assumes the cost of battery replacement 10 years from now is as high as it is today, when the battery replacement business is really in it's infancy. Just 5 years ago people were going mental about how it would cost 10k to replace the battery on a Prius (supposedly).
@@markcoopers1930 Well, if you can get past the CVT, an Outback doesn't look like a half-bad vehicle to me, though I've never owned one, so I admittedly know very little about them. But it looks like quite a bit more vehicle than a Chevy bolt EUV. Something to keep in mind concerning the bolt EV and EUV, when I did a quick search on them, something that was popping up concerned GM possibly looking to phase both out as they're looking at their Ultium battery tech. Maybe not near term, but it sounded like the bolt long isn't a long-term model. Something to look into.
Between the two, it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison. The Bolt EV and EUV are pretty low on the price ladder for a big-3 EV, but you can go anyway from the mid $20K to almost $40K MSRP depending on how you spec it out. And it's still not a lot of car for the money at either end of the price range, and quite a bit less car than an outback.
I'm not arguing that short trips aren't right up an EV's alley, but what I am arguing is that generally to see a charge vs fuel cost savings, you have to actually be putting some miles on your vehicle to maximize your actual realized cost savings. Well, provided you charge at home, power rates don't spike, and you're not stuck using some not-so-cheap charging networks. Environmentally, the "plant air" savings or lack there of depends on who you talk to.
Battery degradation is overblow as long as you don't need to replace a battery pack out of warranty, I suppose. If you owned a bolt EV\EUV and had to drop $15K down JUST for the battery itself, add to that all of the labor and incidental parts involved, for an initial $25K to $40K BEV, there goes any cost savings you had vs an Outback. An Outback that apparently sees such light use, I doubt it costs THAT much in fuel and maintenance. As for cheaper batteries being available for replacement when an EV is 10+ years old, that depends. Is the manufacturer still making those exact same battery packs in the future despite all of the advancements apparently happening with batteries today? Is whatever battery pack type they'll be making 10 years from now going to be compatible with your 10 year old EV? With the newer more advanced packs cost less or more? Do you have to worry about the vehicle manufacturer taking the Apple approach and pairing major components in such a way that you can't just change out your battery pack without having your entire car reprogrammed, a service that may or may not be offered 10, 15, or more years down the road. Something that you may not want to dump considerable money into if frame\unibody rust or component\wiring corrosion is eating away at your car. There are a lot of unknowns, some even shared with ICE vehicles. However, at least today, if the engine in my car were to throw a rod, worst case, I don't have to spend anywhere near $15K to replace an entire engine.
Put her on a scooter!!!
get a second hand EV that has more than enough "daily" range and have her test it out for a month. Don't worry about the "use battery hogwash". But keep her old car in case she hates the EV and it would give her a sense of a "security blanket" to be able to go back to her old car.
As for the ones who are saying she wouldn't save enough by driving 100 miles a week, you're missing the point "SHE COULD RECHARGE AT HOME"!
What about cost of car insurance?
Only 200 miles in winter with heating! My deisel Citroen does around 700 miles in winter...
Every new technology is always expensive and the early adopters are always the affluent. Look at cell phone technology as an example. There's no doubt the EVs are the future. They are better than ICE in almost every aspect.
Summer time in Phoenix is 115 degrees. Asphalt is scorching hot and those cars are really low. I'm sure they don't last long here. I won't be buying one until the infrastructure is way better anyway, by then there will be more competition and hopefully prices will drop a little.
We have the opposite problem where I live in ND. Last winter I saw an overnight low of minus 35 and daytime highs of around minus 20. How in the world are you going to have any range at those temps, considering you have to use a lot of your battery just to heat the cab and keep the occupants alive and not freeze to death.
@@howebrad4601 OMG, that is insanely cold. EV would definitely not work for you. Stay safe this winter my friend.
@@smokeyj3983 I know people won't believe me but I have taken photos of the thermometer on my dash to prove it. People that live in north dakota and parts of Minnesota know how cold it gets here.
I live in AZ the battery pack in our Model 3 is doing just fine. Very little degradation.
@@Jetdriver704 Glad I didn't buy one a year ago. Prices just constantly keep dropping. At least the battery packs last out here in the heat. Those hertz rentals are enticing, they all have around 70k to 80k miles on them. Do you think they'll still last?
There are a couple of conditions that would let you enjoy an EV: 1) have a home with an L2 charging available for you, 2) use it mostly for city drive/commute. It would be also preferable to live in a milder climate, but this one is not necessary. Among all EVs only Tesla is most suitable for longer trips because of the reliable supercharge network (at least in North America). In my family, we have two vehicles: one Tesla and one bigger ICE SUV. The ICE vehicle is mostly for longer trips, while EV is used mainly in the city. EVs are amazing for city driving with all this stop-and-go traffic and are extremely efficient and normally enjoyable to drive because of the instant torque acceleration and one-pedal driving. ICE vehicles are the opposite - they are most efficient on highways. ICE cars are the most economical when driven on highways, while EVs are most efficient when driven in a city - because of regenerative braking and lower speeds. ICE and EV are not replacing each other yet, they complement each other
@@beegdawg007 Obviously, if you drive fewer miles, you'll get less savings. I wouldn't compare an EV to an efficient ICE car, because efficient ICE car is small and boring. Many EVs are pretty much performance cars, it makes sense to compare to fun-to-drive ICE cars, e.g. at least something like Subaru WRX, or better BMW M-series, or Audi S-series, etc. Most of them use premium gas and are gas guzzlers. We love our EV and drive about 17k miles a year, with this mileage the savings in fuel are about $4,000-$5,000 a year.
As for depreciation, depends on how long you keep the car. My Subaru Legacy I got rid of recently had a negative value, i.e. I had to deal with rust and spent $8K on repairs, and then I was able to sell it for $5K (so, it's $3K loss). Few years ago I was able to trade in my 12-year old Toyota Sienna for a bit more than $2K. So, pretty much 100% depreciation in 12 years. I don't think EVs will be much worse than that :)
Charger installation costs vary. I got two quotes: one was $400, the other was $8,000. Of course, the second included circuit board replacement and other things (but mainly because they just wanted to rip me off). I went with the first one - installing a simple plug that works just fine
Why not purchase a 1:2 step-up transformer to use on your 110v supply?
I am writing this before I viewed this vid. Mt Chevy Bolt EUV is super fun to drive using one pedal drive, but in the winter it is not great, batteries do not like cold. The batteries are about 35% less efficient, so you do not get as much miles out of the car, add to that using heat which robs the battery even more. For example in the summer I get about 310 real world miles but in winter using heat I might get 125 miles, less than half. I have a home level 2 charger which in the winter have to charge more twice a week, which means I spend more on charging than gas in the winter. This fall I might trade my car in for an I.C.E. car or hybrid.
Thank you for being transparent. So many are in denial about these facts.
Anther thing is EV's are not green you're just placing the carbon footprint somewhen else.. How much fuel do they expel to mine the Lithium?
hey, welcome to the EV world rookie! I’m not a fan boy and have several gas vehicles, but also experience with EVs. I’m also not posting Clickbait or hunting for subscribers. The only weakness I see in EV is if you don’t have access to charging at home or work. I charge it and my car is ready to go with 300 miles of range every day. Plus, there’s virtually no maintenance in the last two years. Other than washer fluid… My time is valuable! As for economics, my Tesla is now cheaper to own than a Toyota Corolla over the life of the vehicle. In Colorado you can purchase a brand new Tesla for about $20,000. the batteries are 100% recyclable and good for about 300,000 miles. These are the facts… Do some research!
Great list of the issues confronting a prospective EV purchaser who has no actual experience with one. Thanks for posting this.
Range is the number one surprise for me. I had no idea you could lose 40% of your range when temperatures dropped. Sure I knew it would drop some range but that shocked me. My Nissan Ariya at least warns me now. My estimated range might be 120 miles on a full charge but that has so far proved to be pretty accurate so I just plan accordingly.
The sky is falling but in reality it is not. I have a 2019 bolt and home charging installed. I go 200km twice a week and 400 every other week when I charge on the road for 15 minutes. I have never run out of battery and I have driven 7500 miles since July 1st. I would not be so worried as once the chickens follow the eggs we will have way more options. It costs a lot to develop and start production of new tech cars. We are seeing the costs decline a bit right now.
Huge disagree. The hard physics of energy and conductile materials are what caused the problems and limitations of EVs .
Unless you have the recipe in your back. Pocket for 0 heat, super conductors or 90% efficient batteries. You're talking out of your ass about advances solving this.
I was born in 1970 and so far the only thing I have witnessed is a revolution in energy, Computerization, silicon, AI, Transportation and never have I seen a challenge that is not met in some way by some technological advance. Now I only have 53 years of experience but I am driving the Bolt still and have now driven 6 months and a total of 21000 KM without any issues. Yes there are losses in charging and moving electricity but there are huge inneficiencies in the 150 year old ICE car as well. You just don't care because the cost is subsidized all these years by governments.
@@BrennanCh06 I also want to mention that all of these "review" videos that keep saying the same thing about charging are not telling me anything new. Of course not every single person should buy an EV right now. With all new thechnology the cost of buying it at first as an early adopter is way more expensive. Also charging is not installed to the level we need 10 years from now. It is a bit behind the demand because we are at the beginning of EV use in this continent. Tesla has proven it will and can work. Now we will all be moving to be able to use Tesla chargers too which will make it even better. Come back and watch this video in 4 years and if the charging is not more available and the level 2 charging numbers are not increasing it will fail. I don't see that as a future. I see more adequate charging like they have in Norway. Like they have in Quebec. Like they have in many jurisdictions. And lastly just because some people don't have a home does not mean there is no solution. I charge at home so I have a better experience. I saved and bought a home and installed the charger so I get the easier access. I know this is not in reach of everyone but someone has to be first to take on the tech and work out all the problems. It is not going to be perfect on day one.
The best combo would be to own a home and have solar panels installed - that is a very small segment of the population.
The sun doesn’t always shine and many roofs aren’t strong enough to hold up the structure and the technology changes so fast what was hot a year ago aren’t very good next year. Plus China makes most of the panels and electronics. You trust them to hold most of our grid? And solar panels degrade fairly quick because they get beaten by….. the sun
@@jimsteinway695 Nothing wrong with Chinese-made panels, but you can get Korean ones if you want.
Almost all panels have a 25 year warranty at this point. The technology has been pretty stable for solar panels.
Didn't I say that the best combo is only for a small segment of the population? My point is that wealthy people will be just fine.
The best things about EVs are all the excuses people have to SPEND, SPEND, SPEND! buy A HOUSE! Sign a contract to install a new roof, solar panels and upgrade your electrical system to permit home charging! Then buy a new car for $50,000 or so!
You can virtue signal all this spending as a "green" investment!
25 years ago, people were gaga over granite countertops, but with the NEW GREEN technologies, you can brag about limitless spending.
Beyond EVs, that would include tearing out gas furnaces, gas water heaters and gas ranges, replacing all of those with ne heat pumps, induction cook stoves or whatever.
SPEND, SPEND, SPEND, and complain if the government or utilities don't subsidize that spending.
nope. that money u waste on solar panels is best invested in technology funds..last year 58% up..solar panels are a scam. invest that cash instead.
In recent days a blast of cold air into the Midwest has produced LOTS of stories about people unable to charge their EVs, Tesla's included. The batteries discharge a LOT faster, and then it takes a lot longer to charge them. And public charging stations are often not working (Tesla included) and people are linin g up for hours to get a pitiful charge for their vehicle.
Of course, the obvious solution for this is to live in Las Angeles, not Chicago.
If you can home charge and don't have to do long return journeys and have space to park your eV, then I would consider buying . But if you don't have acess to designated parking or a driveway and have to relie on the public charging network. Don't think about buying an ev , because your life will be filled with constant anxiety and annoyance and having to compromise with every trip or plan , with hours of sitting and waiting in your car.
I would like to know the impact to the electric bill of a homeowner that regularly charges their EV at home. Seems to me that pulling 50amps on a frequent basis has to be expensive. The rush of government forced switch to EVs is one of the least thought out processes ever.
We charge at night when the rates are the lowest. My Tesla uses 1.6 cents per mile for electricity when charged at home where the rate is 6.5 cents per Kwh. If I charge during the peak time, the rate can be 25 or more cents per hour.
Obviously, the amount that charging an EV adds to your electric bill depends on how much you drive, how "thirsty" the particular EV is, and the electric rates in your area. So all I can tell you is some typical or average amounts. The Tesla Model Y is, far and away, the most popular EV in the USA. It uses a bit over 1/4th kilowatt hour of energy to drive a mile. If you drive a bit more than average, lets say 16,000 miles per year, the car will use 4,000 kWh. At the US average electric rate of a bit over 12 cents per kWh, that will add $500 per year to your electric bill, or a bit over $40 per month. The amount of gas to go the same distance in a fossil fuel burning car would be about 500 gallons, and that would cost at least $2,000 in the US. That's around $170 per month. The exact number will change depending on the price of gas, the price of electricity etc., but in most places and most of the time, "fueling" an EV is only about 1/4 to 1/3rd the cost of buying gas or diesel to go the same distance.
I’ve had a Chevy volt, and then a Tesla, and to be honest, I’ve never noticed a difference in my electric bill. I’m not saying it didn’t go up, it just must’ve been negligible. Also, you don’t need 50A.
My vehicle has a 65kWh battery, off peak electricity costs me $0.074/kWh. Charging from 0 to 100% costs less than $5.00 and delivers an EPA estimated 450km/250miles of range.
@@marcvanh I wish people would understand exactly what you said, you don't need 50amps but most people will need more than a typical 120v (15 amp) plug. A dryer receptacle (30amp) would suffice and the vehicle would only take what it needs. If you're planning on getting an electric truck like the Ford Lightning or Rivian then yeah, you "might" need 50 amps.
My Tesla M-3 RWD, 283hp @ all rpms.
~170miles/24h on 120v, (4mi/kWh).
$40/mo vs $290 for gas.
60kwh (not 90-110) LFP (no rare earth) & car (commercial specs); easy 500K mile life.
Recyclers complaining batteries last too long.
Warranty 8y\100K miles.
(Not 5y\60K mi)
I combine NACS with lunch when needed.
I live in a RV park. 50A/240v.
What is the power at your house goes out from a storm, THEN HOW YOU GONNA CHARGE THE CAR
Most people who own EVs work from home anyway. Not really an issue.
Wait till you get back power? How long does a power outage last? Several weeks? Don't think so. A single charge for most EV's last 300 miles. Most people charge around the 20-50% mark. Long enough to outlast almost any power outage that lasts days.
I certainly support your right to buy whatever car appeals to you. No subsidies, of course, your choices have to stand on their own merits, not that of government subsidies.
And of course those who prefer other types of vehicles are equally entitled to their choices.
Leftists, of course, want subsidies for THEIR preferences and penalties for anyone daring to oppose their preferences.
As a Tesla I agree no subsidies, that includes fossil fuel companies . Do you agree? @@SeattlePioneer
I think that the ever expanding networkd of subsidies and mandates forcing people into electrric vehicles goes without saying.
The subsidies for oil companies I am aware of were discarded decades ago (Most notable, the oil depletion allowance). Frankly, I don't see environmentalists proposing to discard such subsidies these days, which I'm sure they would be glad to do ----if they existed.
So I invite you to list the subsidies you mention. Please educate me.
Seattle Pioneer
Not sure why anyone is even considering an EV. 1. Our grid can't handle the current demand on a hot day without adding the additional load to charge vehicles. 2. Electric batteries are a nightmare for the environment. 3. It's so convenient to drive a gas vehicle, pull up to the pump and fill it up. Done, I can drive 300 miles with no anxiety & I know when I need to refuel, a gas station is close. 4. Forget about driving in rural areas. You will not find a charging station at all. 4. Most landlords have not and probably will not install car chargers. 5. The cost - are you really saving money in the long run? The cost of electricity is rising along with gas prices.
People moved away from electric to gas because the cost of electricity was too high. Now we're being "programmed" to move away from gas back to electricity. Solar plannels are ugly and take away the aesthetic appeal of a house. Free energy is the direction we need to go and I do believe we'll be there as soon as "they" allow the technology to be released.
EVs are not the way to go. If anything, hybrid is way better like Toyotas.
Valid points. Same situation here in UK and probably wider EU. A) affordability - can’t see EV take up being mainstream until they can come out with £20k or $25k EVs that can do 250miles or more. B) used EV maintenance or more specifically relating battery. Without a unified system to measure how much life a battery has, and aftermarket warranty against those or battery being easily replaceable, used EV would be difficult to resell or buy due to the perceived risk. EU is rolling out some regulations that require OEM to have features in software that display such information. Let’s hope that will go some way to help. But lack of repair and service centres for EV batteries is extremely concerning.
It is not as simple as an electrical outlet upgrade. Things to think about....
1. If you upgrade electrical outlets may need a building permit followed up by an inspection.
2. Unless you have no mortgage, in order to make the change, check your mortgage contract. You may need to get permission to do the upgrade through the mortgage holder.
3. To upgrade your electrical service could involve upgrading your wiring and possibly your electrical supply to the property. Things to consider before just brushing this off as a simple fix.
How does the ‘just plug in when you get home’ work with the advice to not charge above 80% unless you need the range, nor drop below 30%, all to help the battery life? Note too that equates to only using the 50% of capacity (and range) between 30 and 80% charge?
Plugging it in at home enables the charging advice. Just plug it in every day. The car will stop charging at 80%. As long as your daily driving doesn't exceed 50% of the total range, you will not drop below 30%. For many EVs, that means you can drive 150 miles per day and still easily stay within the guidelines. That is over 50,000 miles per year. If that is just work days and less on weekends, it is still over 40,000 miles per year. Charging on a level 2 charger at home will add approximately 30-40 miles of range per hour. That means you will recharge in less than 5 hours. That is a very extreme case. Most people don't drive even half that much. I would not own an EV if I could not charge at home or at work. Charging while the car is sitting idle solves most issues of EV ownership.
Get one with LFP battery so you can charge to 100% daily.
I get 264 mile range up to 80%. Not a problem at all
Homeowners are going to be in for some asinine electric bills I bet not to far in the future. Just wait
It does not cost much to charge an EV. And the extra on the electric bill is far more than offset by not paying for gas. If you were paying $200 per month for gas, the cost for electriciy to replace that gas will be about $50-60 dollars (at US average electric prices.)
I find myself doing math and if I have enough miles to get me to where I need to go each day. Cold weather also has a significant impact on how much energy you are using as well. Would not recommend.
I love my Tesla ('22 M3P). Tesla is the only EV I would own, because of the charging network. I don't have a commute so I use the car to drive around town, errands, chauffeuring my youngest to school and sports etc. I have solar and a L2 charger at home which makes charging a breeze with pretty much no impact to my electric bill. Can't think of any car I'd rather own now that I've been living with my car for about 19 months. But if I was commuting longer distances I would probably feel differently about it.
Def need to have the infrastructure and battery tech in place before any sort of wide spread adoption can happen.
Grids are already struggling
@@zacharymitchellwtx exactly and there’s barely any money going to a grid upgrade. California isn’t doing anything and they’re mandating EVs in 12 years and they won’t be ready either. This will be found unconstitutional as soon as someone challenges it
Not to mention production. The market is demanding more product than the manufacturers can provide.
My experience is totally the opposite of yours. I live in the UK and have had a Kia E-niro for nearly three years covering 60k miles. I charge at home on a 7.4kw charger(and yes, I get that not everyone is as fortunate in being able to charge at home), which gives me a highway range in summer of 250 miles and 200 in winter. The public charging infrastructure in the UK used to be awful too but has improved drastically the last couple of years. The issue you have with not having affordable EV's is that you live in the USA. In the UK and Europe we get a few sub £30k models now and there will be quite a few more coming in 2024. The bottom line however, is that if you think it has taken well over 100 years for the ICE car to get where it is today and the ev has basically taken only 10 years to get where it is, the future is obviously electric. It just needs manufacturers, governments and the general public to get on board. By the way, I will never willingly go back to a petrol(gas) car!
EVs predate modern ICE vehicles. The early efforts to introduce EVs met with failure, and we're now seeing the reason for that failure on a much larger scale.
@@gaiustacitus4242Yes, EV's were 'played with' in the late 19th century, but the battery technology just wasn't there. I'm taking about modern EV's using their various battery chemistry's. We have the technology now to do the job properly.
@@geoffhemingway3926 The technology to make EVs anything more than virtue signaling toys for elitists isn't here today.
EVs are completely impractical at scale. There isn't a country in the world with an energy grid capable of supporting the number of EVs necessary to replace even a small fraction of ICE vehicles.
Even where the energy grid is adequate to support the small number of EVs now on the road, the public charging stations aren't up to the task. Those stations often do not work, are too few in number, and too costly to install at the scale needed.
Yeah in your case EVs make sense and I’m happy it worked out for you. In the UK & Europe you have the standardize charging plug too which makes things so much easier.
Let’s also remember that the EU closed much of its nuclear electricity network. There are gaps, being filled with coal.
I totally agree with you - an EV is currently not for everyone, and might never be, despite what the government and regulators are pushing.
I live in the UK where travel distances are shorter, but you still need a home charger for an EV to work as practical transport AND not do long journeys on a regular basis.
It's not so much 'range anxiety ', you soon learn how far you can travel on a charge (winter and summer vary significantly 😂), but 'charging anxiety ' is a thing - until the charging networks improve dramatically.
I drive an EV, by the way, and like the car a lot but I fit the usage profile 😂.
This video was made in 2022-2023, is your opinion the same. I have seen some videos that the public charging has gone a lot higher and price of gas has gone down and ended paying more per mile on the EV if your forced to use public charging! Face it, there are a lot of people that can't charge at home because either they are living in an apartment or their home can't go to 240 volt system because of the wiring. There is also more people that had experience with EV's and choosing to go back to the gas/hybrid models.
My question is how much more is everyone paying for the electricity to power everything not EV?
Rates are only going to climb and everybody has to pay them EV driver or not. How much is the public subsidizing home chargers?
Huge emphasis on your point about the battery packs degrading with time. Odometer mileage makes no difference. An EV that's a garage queen will no miles on it will still need a new battery pack in about ten years. Oof!
Used tesla model 3 only lost about 10-15% battery degradation, with over 100k miles.
@@brokeboy87 Time, not miles.
@@littlestinker9716 A battery, under heavy stress, would impact its longevity faster than being preserved for 10 years in a stationary vehicle. But you are free to believe whatever you want.
@@brokeboy87 The only heavy stress a typical EV battery sees is fast chargers. Frequent use of fast chargers dramatically shortens battery life.
Ev are not saving the planet. It’s a fantasy pushed to make people feel good.
Get a Tesla Model S Plaid with Track Package if you want a sports sedan. Currently, it's the fastest production 4 door full size sedan with seating for 5 and their luggages on the Nurburgring. Enough said.
Even the regular Model S Long Range is fast, it's a high 10 second 130mph trapping monster. Will smoke almost everything on the street, including modded cars that need a prepped surface to even run good times. On the street the Tesla performance vehicles are practically untouchable from a stoplight.
I’ve smoked several Challengers, Camaro ‘s Vettes, and Mustangs with my Model 3 Long Range with the acceleration boost. The look on their faces is priceless. The Plaid is insane.
@@Jetdriver704 Yeah, there is no turns is your bloated weight EV world. Trash.
@@Jetdriver704 Even the Model Y LR will smoke any Corvette pre 7 or 8 series and just about every Porsche out there. Almost nothing even has a chance at highway speeds as you have full torque with literally no difference in powerband without a transmission. 90-130 times literally almost exactly match 0-40. Has really put the fun back in driving for me.
It’s all about waiting for the solid state battery and the infrastructure (a least two years) Once the sold state batt. Comes out will be a game changer.
Thia was a very helpful video! Super informative and insightful on EV. I need to buy a new SUV and I wasn't sure if I should consider buying an EV, but I had a lot of lingering questions that this video just answered right away and clearly. Thank you so much!
I would recommend going with a hybrid like the RAV4. Gives you a lot of the benefits without the downsides of an all EV.
There is no way I would get an EV if I couldn't charge it at my house currently. You drive 100 miles for your commute, you should have known these things and planned ahead lol.
Exactly. This EV issue isn’t going to solve anything but inconvenience people and give the government the power to shut down your car.
He's a reviewer. Reviewers review. He doesn't own then. He's speaking about one downside. It's not rocket science to wrap one's head around the fact that he's going to test his use case and report his findings. EVs aren't for renters and people who aren't upper middle class or higher.
@@jimsteinway695 dude what??
@@Slayyyter_bitxh what do you want to know? How EVs don’t do a thing? Or how the government can shut off your EV? EVs don’t solve anything because since we shut down drilling causing India, Russia African nations and Eastern Europe are building coal plants as fast as possible. Bidet blew up the Russian pipelines causing millions to tons of methane into the atmosphere so do you think they care about the environment? In Colorado the government went into the internet connected thermostats and turned off peoples AC. They can do the same damn thing to your EV
They can also limit your range
I’m a retired military scientist so I’m telling you the facts. There’s SO many other issues to the climate farce I could go on for hours . Fossil fuel was a term coined by JD Rockefeller, there’s proof now the the earths pressure and methane are continuing to form oil deposits .
@Jim Steinway so there's this crazy thing where the government cant just shut down anyone's car whenever they want by simply uSInG tHe iNtErNeT. And again EVs are safer for the environment during their lifetime compared to a gas car
Interesting talk.👍
This is one of the best objective take on EV’s .
I agree with everything you said in this video, thank you for making this video. 👍
A standard range Tesla Model 3 (270 miles of range, single motor) is now ~ $33,000 after recent price cuts and the reintroduction of a $7,500 US federal tax credit. Not a cheap car, but highly competitive with a nicely appointed Camry or Accord.
And it's batteries are cobalt free Lithium Iron Phosphate.
And what about all the lives lost mining for your car battery
@DSN What about all the lives lost in mining fossil fuel?
Realistically, most people don't care about that. They care about improvement in fuel cost.
@@DSN262 And what about all the lives lost from hurricanes. Learn something before you spew crap.
@@triparadox.cLOL what lives lost for fossil fuels?
You make this trash up as you go, don't you?
The ICE vehicles proven to be reliable. I have two 97 and 98 Toyotas that run perfect as long as you keep consistent regular basic maintenance up. Plus, they could make ice vehicles more eco friendly but the government won’t allow it. I’ll never get a electric unless I’m forced to because I love fixing and maintaining my own vehicles
Last Toyota I owned was a lemon. No thanks.
Why can't you maintain your own EVs as well?
A major problem of this narrative, although he acknowledges it at the beginning, is that he generalizes EVs and does not distinguish between Tesla and non Tesla.
Actually most EVs are Teslas. Now 5 million, with a global charging network that has now been adopted by everyone. So non Teslas are forced to use an unreliable charging network until the changeover is completed by 2025.
Right now 2 year old Tesla Model 3s and Ys are now available with Hertz selling off 20,000 and Tesla price cuts on new cars. So Teslas are now affordable and they have the best charging infrastructure that keeps getting better. Plus because of software updates older Teslas constantly get new features.
Standard 110V outlets in the US deliver poor charging rates for EVs. In Australia, the standard house voltage is already 240V.
US homes also have 220/240 nominal voltage service. It's split to 110/120 in two phases for the wall plugs, but most homes also have 220/240 outlets for things like clothes dryers.
I'm a more prominent supporter of hybrids/ PHEV since they are the best of both worlds and less detrimental to the economy/ environment. However, I see a class divide between my neighbor with their model y and me.
Agreed. For me a previous would offer the operational efficiency gains of electric drive with much less of the downsides. Remember though that phevs still have that awful, dirty, disgusting and repulsive internal combustion engine in there, so that's not cool. You can't feel as virtuous and noble if you have an ice powerplant
Technically, the automakers aren't "all in" on EVs, they're doing it due to government force.
It's called supply and demand bud.
Exactly. There’s not a big public demand. The government is forcing demand by incentives but the manufacturers are raising prices so they get the incentive
@@saltywings41 You need to go back and study your Economics. Supply and demand are terms used in a free market and the EV industry is anything but.
@@saltywings41 correct. There is significant demand for expensive luxury evs. There is also demand for cheap everyday evs but nobody makes one yet. Even the cheap bubble chevy bolt is like 35 grand. For that? Insane. Car like the bolt should be 20 grand absolute tops
@@jimsteinway695 Then why do most EVs sell out completely? I see plenty of demand for them.
If i had an EV i would only charge at home.
Thanks for this informative honest take on EVs. Tho missing from your list of Pros about EVs is the reason we're even discussing this: health of the planet. I plan to buy an EV not because I think it's a better experience than a gas car, but because we're nearing a last chance to save our planet as we now enjoy it. We all need to do something and I'm not sure it's wise to keep waiting.
PHEVs are coming on strong, with excellent capable vehicles such as Wrangler 4xe, Grand Cherokee 4xe and Wagoneer 4xe. More to come, hope they keep evolving with larger battery packs like the 38 kWh pack in the Range Rover Sport PHEV
The maintenance on those things is a nightmare after the warranty runs out. The more complex the product the more expensive the maintenance
@@m.b5777 Agreed, EVs are good to keep in warranty. Good for those who want the latest and greatest and don't need the fun revving sounds of gas engines (and enjoyment of stick shift manual transmission, we love our Borg Warner T-56.)
@@m.b5777 they are all a scam. they cost more than 10k to buy. you'll never recoup that money. phev lol. 30 miles on battery ffs. how much fuel u use for 30kms?
forget phev junk
That's the question I have...when that battery starts to degrade how expensive it would be to replace it. Would you have to buy a new car because it is so expensive. Great video!
Replacing the battery pack on an EV is already $20K-$30K. Even more for extended-range battery packs. Replacing the Ford Lightning extended-range battery pack is already $40K. As EV demand rises, battery pack replacement could easily hit $50K. It's nuts and makes no financial sense.
When your batt. goes, you are screwed! Due to batt. replacement cost, you junk your "old" car and buy an ICE car. lol
From what I've heard, you don't replace the entire battery pack, you repair or replace specific cells which runs around 5-7k. But hey what do I know
@Carlos Ramirez Yep. For weeks after Hurricane Ian, flooded EVs kept bursting into flames in Fort Myers and Sanibel. Fire inspectors ordered everyone to keep EVs outside away from houses. For destroyed houses with EVs in the garage, fire departments were busy pulling the vehicles out because they kept starting large fires.
@Carlos Ramirez if they can just fixed the broken cell instead of full replacement
I wish companies would prioritize PHEVs more
I would like to have an EV. But I can't charge at home. Charging nearby is possible, but it will cost me a lot more than at home. Plus, EV's in winter use battery heaters and thus electricity. It is as if you bought an internal combustion engined car with a leaking fuel tank. If you don't drive a lot in winter, you will still have to charge and pay.
If you bought an ICE car you're buying something that wastes over half the energy put into it as heat. All the time! That apparently "free heat" that lets you heat the car for free (once the engine has warmed up of course) is nothing of the sort. In contrast EVs are over 90% efficient and produce very little waste heat, so if you want to heat the car you have to burn a little more fuel, just when you want it.
And then again, EVs are brilliant in that the heat comes on instantly, and indeed you can pre-heat the car before you're even ready to go out to drive. No more scraping ice off the windscreen, it's all melted.
You don't really need to use the battery heater unless it's really cold. But people living in these climates say they do it gladly because the cars always start, unlike ICE cars in the extreme cold. They know the range falls of in winter and are prepared for it.
You need to do the sums for yourself, and work out the practicalities. If your nearby charging is expensive it may indeed not be worth it. But it doesn't make any sense to baulk at turning on a heater in an EV for economy reasons, while blithely ignoring the enormous amounts of totally wasted heat the ICE blasts into the environment whenever it's running - even in high summer.
The EV is an answer to a problem that doesn’t exist. I’m an electrical engineer and I can tell you the grid isn’t nor will be ready for any EV mandate. And it’s not going to get better because the government would rather teach kids to be transgender than invest in the infrastructure. The new infrastructure bill has so little money for power grids than they’ll never be ready. The EV mandate will be unconstitutional.
If you upgrade your house to bigger and faster charging you’ll accelerate the degradation of your batteries and they’ll catch fire faster the faster you charge your car because the batteries crystallize then short out.
Since the US stopped drilling India China Russia African Nations and Eastern Europe are building coal plants as fast as possible. Does that help the environment? NO! So buying the EV putting up with the inconvenience does absolutely nothing for the environment.
Plus they don’t care about the environment or Bidet wouldn’t have blown up the Russian pipelines like HE SAID HE WOULD DO. Dumping millions of tons of methane into the atmosphere.
So don’t buy an EV all you’ll get is range anxiety and you’re not doing anything for environment
Right on
Chevy Bolt EV start at $25K, not sure why that's not affordable by a lot of folks. Seems Ben is behind on his research. And, charging at home is and still will be a thing. Step it up Ben.
Why Ben didn't even mention the Bolt? or Leaf, or...?
@@nelsoncespedes1629repair cost of a cheap EV is still higher than gas cars
@@i6power30GM just released their own report that maintence needs are actually 80% higher for EV than ICE.
@@slotcarfan that's why I sell the EV immediately after warranty
Yup. Here's my experience in just one day: decided to drive north in NH into a snow storm. On purpose. To go snowshoeing. I know. Why. Arrived - already 12 inches of snow on the ground. Suddenly realized that seeing charging options on one of the 5000 charging network apps doesn't mean they are fast. So instead of snowshoeing we immediately started trying to figure out how to get home. Charger 1: hotel parking lot. Free, horribly slow, and I had to flag down the snowplow driver and ask him to clear the space in front of the charger. The 2nd space was quickly filled by a non-EV. 1 hour later only gained about 10%. Notice another hotel with a slightly faster charger, after driving by the Tesla group - Ford hasn't sent us the adapter so we could not access the only fast charging within 70 miles. 2nd hotel - parking lot full of cars and snow, could pay for a slightly faster charger, barely got in the space, non-EV quickly filled the 2nd space. It is worth noting that if non-EVs or EVs take the parking space, you can't charge. ABRP app maps a route to get you home using existing stations, which meant going east instead of south to where we lived. "Drive here, you'll be at 11%, charge for 40 minutes, then you'll be at 40% and head to fast charger." Newbies, didn't know on DC chargers you have to unlock the charger to get it out of the car. Since it was sleeting and freezing rain I assumed it was literally frozen to the car so I yanked on it for 10 minutes while rain froze on my face and gloves. EV charging stations don't have awnings anywhere I've been. Multiple attempts to activate station, "download this app, add Apple pay" over and over for an hour, soaked, finally get it to work. Medium speed. Drive 80 minutes to super charger. Raining so hard trees are falling in the road. Power out many places (this can keep gas pumps from working too, of course, but hello, this is an ELECTRIC vehicle.) Pull into the lot, pull up to the charging station. First one doesn't work, cue stupid EV owner again attempting to rip the charging cable out without unlocking it. Just as the system is ready, power flickers off in the entire shopping center, then powers back up. All charging stations take 5 minutes to reboot. Finally get charging, just as I get it on a huge tree crashes in the woods next to us. The whole trip was driving on snow til we got to the rain, so very slow driving with snow packed in the wheel wells and the resistance of the heavy snow on roads killing battery despite the slow speeds. All in all, a trip that would have been 4 hours round trip ended up being 11 hours, and the trip had one purpose - trying to find a place to charge. I still think EV ownership is doable, but for crying out loud, plan ahead and have multiple options because the charging network does have issues. Keep in mind the resistance to this technology as well - several 4x4 pickup drivers enjoyed whipping around us while snow drifting, and outside the charging stations at large shopping malls gas car drivers do not care about your EV parking spot - they'll take it if it is convenient. Avoid driving to a slow charging station of one or 2 chargers without a backup plan - at 2 of the 4 we went to at least one wasn't working. The final irony was taking a bathroom break at a gas station - pulled up at a gas pump under the awning, whole area completely cleared, and enough gas pumps to take care of anyone even if you need to use the restroom - just leave your car at the pump - no big deal. Bathroom break in freezing rain at a EV station? Plan to hoof across the entire WalMart parking lot from the back in the freezing rain - charging stations are not put close to buildings from what I've seen, although that is why non-EVs don't park in the charging spaces!
A lot of the media claims that one reason to buy an EV is that it's cheaper today to operate a vehicle on electricity than on gasoline. What they don't tell you is that in the years to come as more and more people replace their gasoline-powered vehicles with electric ones, the huge increase in demand for electricity will cause a huge increase in its price - and the huge decrease in demand for gas will cause a huge decrease in its price. It will become cheaper to operate gasoline-powered vehicles than electric ones.
Not enough infrastructure and batteries are not good enough to expensive and not enough range I'm 68 retired and want nothing to do with them the technology is just not good enough right now
You are absolutely right, EVs are luxury vehicles.
When governments are trying to make it mandatory they are basically telling the majority of people "f you just take the bus".
"honey, can you take a picture of me looking sad while my car is on the lawn?"
There is a company in Arizona that is currently recycling EV batteries. Supposedly a second one someplace else I’ve heard about it but I’ve not seen anything on it.
Not only are they expensive (€40k in france for a mini) but most of them are too big. In Europe, we are not like the US. We dont have wide roads or large parking spaces. Many park on the street and most live in apartments with no parking. If you look at London it seems like the mayor wants nobody to own a car, but instead use public transport (just as long as.the day you want ro use it is the day they are on strike)!
I just bought a Bolt EUV. $28,795 MSRP. $20,795 after a $500 Veteran’s discount and a $7,500 tax credit. GM pays for a level 2 outlet in my garage. No, EVs aren’t just for wealthy people.
Thus is not sustainable by car companies since GM is losing billions and are selIing below cost.
Range, Range, Range….Charging time…Cold weather…Accidents…Price…
Chevy put out a sub-30K EV last year. They can still be had now. Second hand ones are becoming quite affordable.
I agree that infrastructure needs to get better and I agree that people who live in apartments or condos are at a disadvantage however your point about the cost is a bit disingenuous. The Bolt, Bolt EUV & Leaf are all sub 30k EVs that you can either go on the website and place an order or go to a dealership and place an order. Also the 30k Equinox is scheduled for a fall release. The Kona starts at 33.5k & VW just lowered the starting price of the ID4 to 37k so not including any tax credits (except for the Kona) it's just not true that there aren't any affordable EV's.
Also, the average commute to work is roughly 40 miles round trip & less than that on weekend errands. The average road trip is less than 500 miles. I agree that 200 mile range isn't ideal & it's something that would keep me from buying it but the overwhelming majority of people would be just fine with a range between 250 & 300 miles which the majority of EVs do get.
the bolt and leaf are cheaper upfront, but I've only ever heard bad things about them when it comes to maintenance. And the time it takes to get EVs worked on or parts is well above average. For nearly the same price you can get a super reliable prius (even the plug in prius!) while still being able to make it 400 miles on a tank.
@@jettrooper101 you've heard bad things from who? I mean I don't plan on getting one at all but from what I've read and seen on CZcams the overwhelming majority haven't had any real issues. Also, if you haven't heard, wait times on parts for ALL cars is ridiculously long. I had to wait almost two months for a part on a recall notice not to long ago on my regular ICE vehicle.
As for a Prius, it's not a bad car but in cans you haven't heard, nobody is buying them & it was up in the air for a while whether Toyota was going to discontinue it or not. Also, the 400 mile tank is good, I won't refute that. However like I said, the overwhelming majority will go at most 50 miles roundtrip in a day & the average road trip is less than 500 miles. Even if you charge an EV overnight everyday you are still saving significantly more in fuel cost with an EV even over a Prius with its 400 mile tank & on that same road trip with either kind of car you are stopping at least one time no matter what.
For a car the size and usefulness of the bolt it should be 20k, max. Even 30 or 35k for a runabout car is ridiculous. The leaf is a very expensive econocar that would ne 15 to 18k if it were gas.
Also just cause you confiscate money from my neighbors to help pay for my ev doesn't help. That's taking from the poor so some rich guy can drive a high priced ev
@@howebrad4601 first, usefulness is relative. What you find useful ONLY relates to you, not everyone. There are plenty of people who find either Bolt useful which is why none of them actually make it to market because they are sold before they are even put on the trucks to be shipped.
Second, your pricing structure is way out of whack & unrealistic. The cheapest car you can probably get is the spark & nobody buys it because it's nothing but a glorified smart car with the power of a golf cart. The 0-60 in that thing is a week long. For what you actually get in the Bolt or the EUV version it's dirt cheap.
Lastly, what the hell are you even talking about taking from the poor. Where do you morons even come up with that nonsense. Take off the damn tin foil hat.
@@kenyattaclay7666 well our chevy dealer has had a bolt sitting here unsold for a long time. I don't believe it's appropriate to take taxpayer money to directly subsidize an ev, which based on their existing prices can only be afforded by relatively wealthy people. Why should a salesman at the local hardware store for example who can only afford a 2005 car be paying taxes so that money can be spent as an ev credit just so a university teacher for example can buy an ev.
If these evs are as good as their proponents claim, why on earth do they need to subsidize them? Simple question