WT - How to fly the Spitfire Mk IIb in Arcade (Patch 1.53)
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- This famous fighter can do a lot more than simply turnfight. In this guide I demonstrate a range of tactics the plane can perform, as well as showing pitfalls to avoid.
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For some reason, I'm just absolutely terrible with this plane. No matter what I try I can't get anything right with the armament's position, and never get any good with the plane. Hopefully this video will help me and as always, thank you for making a video on this plane specifically.
Great vid mate, one of my favorite mid tier planes in the game. A true joy to fly, and very versitile, as you can shift between boom and zoom, energy fighting and dogfighting at will. my best game without dying, was done in this spit, and i couldnt recommend it enough :)
+Jengar this plane is such a clubber. It is sort of like a first-gen P-51 that can turn : P In RB, it's a different story. it is a very good plane but I find I lack the discipline/experience to NOT break the wings off pulling up from a dive.
8 kill arcade game using only 1 plane ,the spitfire(mk 1a i think)
using these tips I got a 12 kill 0 death match
You deserve more subscribers. I wish more people knew about your channel. Thanks for the video!
+MrChens
I am promoting his channel in every threat it is appropriate. I am afraid, that is all we can do.
Ok I'll admit, even with my average 12 kills per match in a spit, I still found this useful for the bomber part. I usually stayed away from bombers as if they had the black plague. (Mostly because of low CNN ammo, you can squeeze 4-5 kills if attacking fighters but only 1-2 when attacking bombers) To be fair it was designed as a fighter plane, not a bomber interceptor.
Yes! Great review, Longshot - as usual.
And yeah, "its Nemesis"....I am so much looking
forward to that episode!
Keep the good stuff up!
Great video, makes me rethink how I am flying my spit.
So glad this video was up. I need to play tactical and see what I'm doing wrong. American planes and their guns and engines.
this plane used to be my favorite plane till i got the Spitfire Mk Vb/trop even then i still loved the plane good times.
Cheers, mate! Nice to see these new changes on the Spit! Thank you once again for this vid!
Always a pleasure watching an ace like you Longshot.
Great Videos. This is the best channel devoted to War-thunder that i have found on You-tube. I have learned more from one of these videos than hours of game play.
Hey Long5shot, after finding your vids tonight I just want to comment to thank you for putting these up. it seems you provide well informed and produced videos in an easy to watch format.Thanks for doing one on the mkIIb spit, I played with it and the other 3.7s for a while before 1.53 and you highlighted my own musings on the changes. I look forward to exploring your older content and the stuff yet to come.
+Binnzy2257 Glad you enjoy the vids! The older ones will obviously be less relevant the further you go back due to flight model changes, and if you go back far enough the vids are a bit rough around the edges, but I hope they're helpful nonetheless :)
I'm actually starting to get some kills based on your instructional videos. They are helpful and make the game much less frustrating. Of course it helped that I purchased a better gaming computer. My graphics used to be a low low quality, now I have everything pretty much maxed out. Much easier to play.
So they've just made the already good Spit even better. Not sure if the change was needed, but I'll take it! Excellent tips as always, thank you.
easily in my top 5 favourite planes
I personally love this plane tbh it was the first plane that taught me how to use flaps properly the 1st time. It holds a special place in my british Tree line (I'm German/Italian main btw) now I fly G.55 and 109s better now.
+long5hot nice flying like always.
waiting eagerly for the spitfire vs cannonbusa video
Thank you, for another great vid.
Great vid, very helpful for a ps4 player like myself! This is a plane i feel can do well against even those good pc players. It takes away some of the disadvantage of not having a mouse/keyboard.
Dude ive flown with you!!! I sent you a message recently after the game asking if you had a CZcams channel since the name was the same 😅
If it was around the time you sent the message, then I'm afraid it wasn't me - I haven't flown in at least 2 years, and even then it was brief.
I have so many good replays of the V/Trop. =D I'd love to star in a video.
A great detailed video mate thank you
7.7s are really good, the spit 1a is extremely capable while up tiered at least in rb.
maniac1031 it's really bad you have to use it in. Close. Range
Great vid bro keep them coming
I know this is a old video but is leading in front of the aim indicator still a present day thing? I often struggle to get the kill when leading or aiming at the indicator in my rank 2 USA planes ( fighters and naval fighters ( mostly p39, p400, and f6f I believe).
the jack of all trades plane
Spitfire Mk.IIb
Spitfire Mk.Vb/Trop
Typhoon Mk.Ib
Mustang Mk.1A
Boomerang Mk.II...
My 3.7 Brit line up that i simply adore and consider both my favorite BR and my favorite line up for the BR, It can do a bit of everything and the cannons are super, super fucking amazing, sure the Mk.IIb only has Mk.I cannons rather than Mk.II so you have to deal with Stealth rather than Air belts, but that's not too big of a difference for me and both work as well as each other.
You use 300m convergence, is this just a standard across all your planes as you always seem to be using it, yet I seem to have better luck with the 'default' 400m on all nations except German (lower muzzle velocity), personal preference and ping I guess?
Had an epic match with 1 of your subscribers a few days ago while flying such a line up, full credit to him being a PS4 player and fighting so well, I hope he learns a bit from this video because he's an excellent pilot (way better than I was @ level 38? or 34.. something like that) but he took a Spitfire against my A6M2 and let me spiral climb to his alt, without B&Zing me.. poor play on his part but we both congratulated each other after the battle for the interesting dogfights we had.
+RexalLB 300m, sometimes 400m, does seem to be my default with wing-mounted weapons. I guess its just the kind of range at which I'm most comfortable engaging. Also if I get in closer than that, a longer convergence would make it very difficult to land any hits at all.
I prefer to lead my target and let them fly into my bullet stream, which means a longer convergence... It just doesn't work on German guns because their best ammo is full of tracers... the Americans too, especially if you use the Tracer ammo (API-T
+long5hot I always lean towards the longer convergence ranges, 600 is usually my minimum, I even go as far as putting 700 on my FW 190 with the 4x20mm gun pods.
+harald s Yes in any interceptor that's strong in head-ons, and FW190 Antons certainly fall into that category, you'll want a longer convergence. Same goes for the P-47s.
+long5hot it's not even that, I am still getting used to the mg151's and as such I avoid head-ons at all cost right now, but I very often like to engage bombers at max range with them, coming in from far below.
I throughly enjoyed the Spit Mk IIb back when I first spaded it, and to think that it's even better now... Wow.
I could really take a break from US planes for a bit (was the P-51 this bad in turning before? And the SB2C-4 just doesn't want to follow my cursor), and enjoy some clubbing :).
oh my god old war thunder
how do you press all these button for manouvers and look at the enemy plane as well.do you use enemy tracking camera when shooting at them
+russell lowe I occasionally use the tracking camera, but not as much as some other players as I find the "snap-back" disorienting. Looking around while maneuvering is easy - provided you have a rudder or elevator key pressed, mouse aim is inactive & the plane will ignore your mouse movements. This means you can move the mouse around as if you're in free-look mode. It also means there's no snap-back when you release the tail-control key(s) as Mouse Aim kicks in and flies the plane towards where-ever you've got the cursor.
I also have my keyboard mappings setup to make it as easy as possible to hit the various keys & combinations - Q/E for rudder, W/S for elevators, A/D for roll.
I suggest going into free flight & practicing keyboard maneuvers while looking around, you'll soon get the hang of it :)
I unlocked the sea hurricane with the quad hispano mkII cannons and then i unlocked this. hurricane's guns must have spoiled me because im struggling to kill stuff with this (no air rounds???). lower ammo count too. the speed and turning makes up for it though.
joe leder Stealth ;)
The issue is I do not know when you are online and do not know how to look you up..
Today I realized I simply cannot hit a single plan, I can unload a whole ammo on at a plan leading him ahead of the indicator slow or fast and simply cannot garner a single hit. I move around to find that hit spot and still cannot hit a plan, while you can dispatch a plan in a second or two burst..I simply have tried everything..messed with convergence..like you other video demonstrated..messed with load out but simply cannot hit any plans even if there are well within 1000 meters. I have a very fast internet connection as well, there is no lag as well, the results are the same, bottom of every list with max out my plans in death with nothing to show for it..help me please?
+George Prince The best I can do is point you to my "how to aim" video - czcams.com/video/A4sjT6XOBEg/video.html - as I can't see things from your point of view, I can only describe what I do and what I've seen in footage recorded by other players. I also suggest going into custom battles & getting plenty of practice against AI planes.
Who are you? You sound like a prince of some kingdom and your language and manners speaks ahead of you. I have had convos with some pilots, they too sound similar, are you a real pilot?
hi longshot. good video as always, but im a little dissapointed that you did not continue your videos in the RB section. with the Enduring Confrontation tests its clear that in the future a lineup with more than 1 plane is needet in RB an i like the way you lead the newbie to the goal of sucsess.
if you dont want to continue this RB-series , could you reccomend somone of your friends for RB-Guides like yours for AB ?
ridcully
+Mustrum Ridcully I do expect to continue RB vids eventually. The EC tests always seem to be held at a bad time for me - so far I've managed to play in just one of them & that was just a 30 minute stint before I was interrupted and had to bail out.
Once EC becomes a permanent fixture I expect to be spending a lot of time on it, and videos will follow.
+long5hot
:thumbup:
+Mustrum Ridcully Yea, I think EC would be the mode who could bring me more to RB.
The normal RB has just too many downtime imho.
Good bro......hoping you'll get more subscriber
What do you do when there are multiple planes at your altitude, and you are the only on e and they spot you? What do you do?
Thanks
+SpearHead1011 Depends what I'm flying, how far away they are, and how fast I am. If I believe I can outclimb them, that's what I try to do. If I'm faster than them, I fly away & lead them on a merry chase. If I can't do either of those things, I dive and take my fight to low altitude while keeping an eye open for any chance of climbing again.
ok thanks
This is bad news for me. Every time I meet a Spit at altitude, it beats me. It seems like no matter what I do, they always kill me. They always out climb me, they win in head-ons, they manage to catch me in dives, they out rudder-turn me, even when I'm flying bf 109s, they out turn me when I'm flying a zero. They altitude performance decrease. They're too OP.
+Alex Moss In order to kill them at alt you'll either have to draw them down or out climb them. I've been going 5+ and 0 regularly in the Vb/Trop
Would most of, if not everything you said still apply to the Mk.IIb as of Update 1.73? Cause whenever I take this aircraft out, I find myself being on the receiving end of enemy fire. Head-on attacks I know must be avoided at all times, but no matter my altitude I always get shot down, then I'd have to resort to the previous Spitfires and Hurricanes which I have a lot better luck in. And its incredibly frustrating given I'm still trying to upgrade this particular Spit and the Vb.
Is it spaded or stock?
Spaded
The Mk Vb is now a better plane. It used to be less maneuverable and has similar top speed and climb rate, now it's better than the IIb in every way.
+zxbc Well, it should be, being a later model & a tier higher. However in flying them together I haven't noticed much difference, but that's just gut feel & I haven't run any tests to compare them.
long5hot
They are very similar now. Back then the Vb had very bad turn rate and climbed worse. Now after the changes they're much closer, but the Vb is a notch above now. It actually climbs to 5k about as fast as a 109 F4, which is insane, considering that it can beat an F4 at the same altitude. Plus it has better ammo (air target) than the IIb, even if it's just a slight upgrade.
I always lose control of it due to the g but i can normally keep it in control just enough to get the kill
You sound like a clone trooper in Star Wars Battlefront 2
as a german fighter, this spitfire is one of my first nightmare
+улиточка диктатор
as a german fighter things do not become better with Griffon Spitfires on Tier IV
Frank Peter Neugebauer yep I know.. I'm flying the G10 in tier 4 and the griffon is kinda better in almost every way.. but anyway .. we face nice challenges
Hey Longshot, did you up tiered this IIB in the last game? Comparison between the best turner of the game, I'll wait that with impatience :p Cheers
+Leaver pool I had the Vb in the lineup, which made it a T3 3.7 lineup rather than the 3.3 T2 it would have been if I hadn't included the Vb. So its very slightly uptiered, not a whole lot though. The Spit 2B tends to suffer if its pushed too high, as it loses its climbing advantage, its lack of speed becomes really obvious, and its reduced to a "matador" role like a Zero - except it can't perform that role nearly as well as a Zero.
long5hot ok that's why i noticed p63 ;)
+Leaver pool P-63 is only Tier 3. BR 4.0, so you can see them anytime even if you're flying the Spit 2b in a T2 3.3 lineup. You can also see the Ki-43-III as well without having to uptier the Spit.
What you won't see unless you uptier are any T4 planes such as P-51Ds, P-47Ms, Ki-84s, A6M5s (I shot one down in the BnZ examples), Spit XVIs & several Griffon Spits, La-7s, FW190 D-9s (be afraid, very afraid), Yak-9Ps, F8F-1s ... all of these become planes you'll potentially see as soon as you add the Vb to your lineup.
3:25 I think the altitude may have something to do with that. Being at low altitude seems to make the plane a lot more maneuverable
9:55 How new does one have to be to dogfight with someone in a bomber??
+Muddy Fudger Lots of people seem to believe that B-25s and PBJs are fighters. I regard it as my duty to show them the error of their ways ;)
+long5hot Agreed. Many B-25 and PBJ pilots are very aggressive in these bombers, actually initiating head-ons and turn fights, and pursuits, even. They don't usually last long in any turn fight but they are pretty good at sniping an unaware pilot, which I'm ashamed to say has been me on too many occasions... lol
+Muddy Fudger
Not really. If a Spitfire is too low and too slow a He-112 suddenly can outclass it in turnfighting. I recommend to watch Grmlz older AB/RB videos about it.
Frank Peter Neugebauer >older AB/RB videos
The Spitfire used to be one of the best turnfighters in the game after the Zero. I doubt this video would represent any valid tactics in War Thunder today.
+Muddy Fudger True, his AB vids must date from early 2013.
What you said about altitude is correct - at 1000m the Spit IIb can overlap its smoke trail in an elevator turn, which it can't at 3500m. It'd still be out-turned by a He112 though, provided it was a V-5 or A-0. The B series have improved turning in this patch, but not enough to tangle with a Spit.
also, ki-43-III has a tendency to make spitfire pilots cry like little girls, so long as it can survive an initial head-on that is.
+harald s Indeed it does. There's pretty much nothing a Merlin Spitfire can do that a Ki-43-III can't do better - the only exception being speed in a dive.
+long5hot Your right I do cry like a little girl in my spitfires when a Ki 43 kills me. It's like where the hell did you come from kind of feeling. Then it hits you like a bus with you saying : Oh hell its you, leave me alone I'm having fun. Then he kills you, sigh. The day war thunder lets b 17s outturn spitfire is the day I quit war thunder.
+EagleKnife4321
Actually I know of no plane on Tier III, where the pilot should not cry, if he meets a well flown Ki-43-III
you use vertical targitting yes or no anwer me
No, I found it distracting rather than helpful.
I always get chased when im zooming out and killed. what can I do
Try to keep your movement smooth & subtle - hard turns cost a lot of speed. Also unless you know your opponents are low on energy, continue your dive after the attack and only gradually transition to a climb once out of range. The most common mistake people make is pulling up quickly into a climb while still in guns range of the enemy.
Thanks man really helpful Ive been just climing right after I got shots off. suprising you reply so fast on a video that came out 2 years ago
I get email alerts to new comments - can't always reply, but I try to when someone asks a good question :)
long5hot I was playing a game a few hours ago and I climed to about 4k hight. I was always looking around to see I was not flanked or being engaged and all of the sudden a plane came out of nowhere 1k from me and shit me down quickly, what can I do to avoid thus kind of situation next time? (That was on realistic battle)
In RB planes have larger blind spots, which means you might not see a plane (either on the overhead or marked with red text) if they're below & behind you or dropping from above. You therefore have to really keep your eyes peeled, as you need to spot moving dots which is rarely needed in AB (only in cloud thunder battles).
I'd suggest looking at the replay, switching to the enemy's plane and watching to see how he managed to sneak up on you.
I swear bnz dont work in spitfires cos the engines cut out in a dive?
Engines cut out with negative Gs, otherwise they shouldn't. And only in RB/Sim as well - for some reason they decided not to include that feature in AB.
long5hot well.... thats shows y so many other games have false physics. thx!
long5hot i just used bnz in mk2b it works great! Until i met a p51 right b4 the match ended......
everyone should just fly around really fast and lurk in the clouds, then the matches could last days, maybe never end.
Sounds good to me :)
Can i do it in rb
No different flight model
XP-50 vid coming?
+zdronexx Its next after the Spit vs Cannonbusa vid :)
+long5hot
I am eagerly looking forward to your findings about the XP-50s optimal climb speed. Not that I ever had an issue to climb to space with this thing. But I am afraid, I could had done even better than 270 km/h.
+Frank Peter Neugebauer I can tell you that right now - keep as close to 245km/h as you can, use the Assaulter Spawn point ... and be amazed as it climbs like a space shuttle.
hahaha, why make a spitfire video? it is so easy to use these turnfighting sealclubbers, and any person who watches your channel has probably figured out how to use it already.
have you tried your american premium canard plane this patch?
because my J7W1 has become a lot mor fun to fly, having lost the jerky elevators and the terrible urge to do a 180 degree roll when making minor course corrections.
it has since become one of my favorite planes in WT, though it Does require quite a few upgrades to become competitive:
without engine injection it can not climb enough to claim altitude and the Type 5 cannons are absolute garbage if when stock.
+harald s The Spit 2B has been on my list for quite some time & indeed was requested not long ago.
I flew the XP-55 not long after 1.53 was released, and found it a little improved. As you said, the jerkiness has gone - and it had a little more elevator authority too - but it still locks up big-time in a dive and would struggle to out-turn the Titanic. In RB apparently its able to dance with Spitfires and win, but that's certainly not the case in AB.
+long5hot well, at least the J7W1 has gotten better this patch, it ised to be nearly impossible to get kills because of how terribly it followed the mouse, now I have already had a 13 kill match with it.
those 4 Type 5 guns are really devastating with the tracer belt, I have been consistently getting kills at 750 metres, and in head-ons I very often kill my opponent at 1.3km
i am really starting to hate this game,if its not russian its slow with rubbish guns,ammo,amour.
tier 1 planes russian first plane is a 20mm,other nations you have to grind thru 3-4 rows of planes to get anywhere close to 20mm.its pathetic really.cant play morethan 3 games without exiting now.
+russell lowe Well, its not for me to tell you to love or hate the game, that's your call entirely. However, I disagree with the reasons you've given. Russia gets 20mm armed planes at a battle rating of 2.3. So does Germany, and its 2.3 planes are as good as the Russians in my opinion. Japan also gets them early in the form of the Ki-45s, with an agile turnfighter appearing at 2.7 with the float zero. USA doesn't need 20mm, as it has its flame-throwing .50 cals and its early fighters are quite good. Its only Britain that has to wait, and that's not the game's fault - its due to Britain's obsession with banks of light machineguns at a time when other nations had already adopted the cannon.
ahh, arcade..the gamemode that doesn't require any skill to be good