The Flawed Case of Charles Erickson
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- čas přidán 18. 05. 2020
- In 2001 what happened to journalist Kent Heitholt remained unsolved. However, Charles Erickson couldn’t remember what he did that night, and two years later Charles Erickson had a dream, which would incriminate both him and his friend Ryan Ferguson who were out that night.
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Now I’d like to give a friendly reminder - DO. NOT. TALK. TO. POLICE. WITHOUT. A. LAWYER!!! There is no law compelling you to talk.
Amen brother! Amen!
@Seymour Cox ok captian hyperbole. obviously you can talk to the cops for the majority of cases and not get fucked in the ass for it. but if you are being accused of something you didn't do or even something you are not sure if you did, DO NOT TALK LAWYER LAWYER LAWYER. especially if it's a murder charge
This is true but they don't exactly make it real obvious that it's totally fine for you to keep your mouth shut. And if you don't talk they tell at you. They use intimidation on kids like these who don't really understand the laws so they think they have to talk to them even when they are read their rights. Those Mirandas are always just breezed right thru without much of an explanation as to what it really means when it says you have the right to remain silent. People don't get it until it's too late even if they did nothing wrong. I both love and hate the police honestly.
yep, I learned this the hard way and I'll never forget it.
I don’t understand how people do.
"He strangled him with his hands?"
"No try again"
"A shirt?"
"No try again"
"A bungie cord or a rope?"
"No try again"
"I don't know then..."
"Could it have been a belt?"
"Oh, I guess so?"
"We got him boys!"
-Great detective work.
Multiple choice next time?
That officer should serve some time in jail IMO.
It’s literally Ned Flanders conducting the interrogation. I lost it at “hind end”.
I can just imagine him going home and talking to his wife that night:
“Golly, Beth… I had to be a bad man today. The gee-diddley-Jesus surely didn’t look down on this sorry servant today with a smile.”
His wife- in a Minnesota accent:
“I like when you’re bad. Why don’t ya get my hind-end in trouble.”
Speaks volumes doesn’t it?
Haha even police chief Wiggum could have done a better job that that incompetent moron.
Unbelievable and scary that such incompetence exists in the police force.
I am so thrilled to report that Charles Erickson was released from prison in January 2023! His attorney kept filing those writs and he was freed. It took 20 years but he's finally home.
wow, thank you for this update!
Darwinism wise, he kind of belongs there. His retarded behavior started this all
That's amazing. I've seen cases where DAs blame mentally ill people, but it gets really bizarre when they take out their friend too. Any word on the real killer?
That's great to hear. I knew all about Ryan being release back in 2011. I'm glad that they released Charles.
@@kristengottula9337 Charles Boyd more than likely.
Great News!!!!!!!!!!!!! On january 9 2023 Charles Erickson was released from prison after nearly 20 years! Now lets hope that they can bring the real killer to justice!!
The detective who was questioning that kid needs to be prosecuted
@chris kibodeaux yep
@chris kibodeaux That detective was a shit bag
yeah he sucked
@chris kibodeaux yes
Everyone saying yes, I would love to hear the reason and charges that could be filed
I’m a retired police officer. I was in law enforcement for 25 years. That investigator is a huge liability to his dept. people like him are part of the reason we are so divided in this country.
My step dad was a police officer , but he resigned.. i never knew why, but i imagine being a police officer you deal with a lot of evil, and honestly as good as you are, evil reigns till God gets his ass down here
I almost always support the police. But that investigator should lose his job, and get life in prison, because he is obviously so stupid that he is a danger to society.
@@geminisagherian1874, true.
Respect to you, thank you for your service! We all want bad civilians off the streets, and bad cops off the force.
Thank you for your 25 year service to our country and helping keeping people safe
I don't know how that cop is living knowing he forced an innocent boy to confess to a murder by giving him all of the answers! he literally used him in the worst way.
I hate cases like these it boils my blood.
he is a cop, he is living just fine
he beat the hell
out of his wife and slept like a baby the past 20 years bet that lmao
Some people have Zero empathy for others. He just wanted to be credited for getting a Confession, even though he fed him info til he got it "right" with the officer
"I had a dream!",police:"you're going to jail!".
Making someone believe they committed a crime and stealing decades of his life should be as much as a crime and give you years in prison and fees, dirty cops need to suffer consequences
ACAB!!
cops always use the your buddy is in the other room telling us everything bullshit its up to you to deny/no comment your way out guilty or not the cops will paint you into a corner and they dont care about anything other than getting someone
Back the Blue! Murica
@@theultimaterental you keep doing that, backing up the organization with all the power and authority. You lick them boots…
but they don’t back you.
They should get TWICE the time.
Me watching the interview:
STOP TALKING
STOP TALKING
STOP TALKING
STOP TALKING
STOP TALKING
STOP TALKING
STOP TALKING
STOP TALKING
STOP TALKING
STOP TALKING
STOP TALKING
STOP TALKING
STOP TALKING
STOP TALKING
STOP TALKING
I have to fast forward through them
@Chris Hayes Yes, stop talking but the kid obviously has psychiatric problems and whoever the judge was shouldn't have allowed the trial to go on. Woe to those who say good is evil and evil is good. Good luck judge and prosecutor in, especially, Ryan's case.
Exactly.
Totally. He was all over the place because he was MESSED UP that night. Those are some extremely hard core drugs, and mixing it with alcohol?! Forget it! He's not going to black out murdering someone but he will black out what the hell he was doing. Poor kid. Damn.
More like...Dude, shut the f*"* up.
Hey Mike! I am from Missouri and have family in Columbia and surrounding areas. This case was heartbreaking (and still is honestly) unfortunately, the corruption and lies by the authorities as well as their infringement on our Constitutional rights is all too common. Thanks for telling this truth! (And for all that you share! ❤️
As soon as i heard the first minute of that interrogation Í knew where this story was going. A more perfect example of a cop caring more about conviction then getting the right person (i.e getting paid over stopping crime). Essentially you just witnessed why people "from the street" never talk to the police
Imagine going to prison because your friend had a bad dream
Right? In all of the stories covered on this channel I think that part is the most baffling and rage-inducing, can't even imagine being in Ryan's position after the sentencing there. His entire life gone over literally nothing other than being friends with a moron, sure he got released later but in that moment it must have taken an insane amount of control not to rip Chuck's arm off and beat him with it.
Ikr! Reminds me of a crazy girlfriend I once had who was mad at me because she had a dream that I banged her sister and her best friend. Like, WTF? Lol
that dream cost him 10 years of his life only to come out with 11 million dollars..
It sounds like something out of a Dumb and Dumber movie. More like one friend is dumb, and the other is not. The not dumb guy gets screwed because of one crazy dream. Wtf man.
@@damionmurray1765 I literally came to the comment section to write the exact same thing.
So basically the police convinced him that he killed somebody because they couldn’t solve the case.
And the wild thing is that there is more evidence against Boyd, including motive.
Police fed Charles all the secret evidence they had. Then suddenly Charles remembered. The belt and the scene of the crime Charles didnt know at all. What shitty police "detectives". That's like rule 1 of truth finding.
*wouldn't solve the case. FTFY.
Exactly!!!
@@Werrf1, interesting, so they have since solved the case?
came back to this after seeing Ryan on the amazing race. Was astonished at how calm cool and collected he was after hearing his story. eventually connected the dots and realized I was already familiar with his case. Hits home a little more considering I went to college in columbia at Mizzou. Happy for Ryan, heartbroken for Charles, sad for mr. Heitholt who deserves so much justice.
Oh my goodness! The smile on Ryan's face when he was set free🤗
I would be so mad if my friend went wack and made us go to jail over a dream.
😄😄😄😄😄
lol, the point is he shouldn't be able to do that. It demonstrates the ineptitude of the cops.
He was probably really angry but now that he's free he's trying to help his buddy
Sheriden haha i know right! Thats what I was thinking I was getting pissed just listening to this story
Lol wat a dummy
The minute the interrogator says "I'm going to start talking and you're going t start listening", time to call our attorney, WTF!!!
The minute an interrogator opens his mouth you ask for a lawyer before any sound even escapes it.
You saw how scared that kid got when the cop said that though, it looked like he froze.
So unprofessional. Detectives’ job is to listen not to talk. Rubbish
hes guilty of being an idiot and thats a life sentence
Brown Recluse Bear they will use the fact that you’re hiding your face against you too... there’s little we can do beside getting a lawyer.
As a mother of 3 teenage boys this is horrifying!!!!!!!
SHAME on all the adults that ruined these boys lives. Kids are stupid and depend on adults to HELP them. This hurt my heart so much I just googled the kid (now adult) to see if there was a defense fund and found out he was paroled 1/9/2023. My gosh. 20 years lost. 💔
NEVER, *EVER* TALK TO THE POLICE! No matter what the case is, ask for a lawyer and remain silent. The police interviewing you NEVER have your interests at heart - they will nail you to the wall whether you are guilty or not, just to get a conviction. Despicable.
One of the worst things about this is that someone got away with murder.
well not for long, you see the 7yrs that Ryan spent in prison he actually did some searching for the real killer and know exactly who it was that did the murder..
dunhillsupramk3 is there any link or update about that somewhere? thanks
@@CR-ou2oc dude watch the whole vid, its to the end of this very vid... there is even a motive for the killing..
@@dunhillsupramk3 yeah but the dude still got away with murder
I’m from Columbia... this is still unsolved. There’s reason to suspect the guy at the tribune, but he’s never been charged.
Again, this is why you NEVER sit through an interrogation without an attorney present.
I agree with you but… some people think that it shows a guilty conscience. Or they are just ignorant of their rights. But yeah definitely if you think there is any chance you might be guilty. Lawyer up.
Even if you ARE innocent, you still don't talk without a lawyer
@@thepsychonaut6395 💯 agree though it never ceases to amaze me that detectives aren't aware of the fact that innocent people hear of wrongful convictions, & well, watch stories like this one, to know that even though they're innocent, it's best to cover their *ss & ask for an attorney. Therefore, in the eye of the detective, that just makes the person look more guilty, & in cases like this, can make a bad cop get tunnel vision, essentially stop any legitimate investigation, & merely make the evidence fit their assumed conclusion that the person is guilty. Only adding to the case log of The Innocent Project.
I commend a prosecutor or cop when they are man/woman enough to not only recognize a mistake in convicting an innocent person, but taking the rightful & necessary steps to correct the injustice. Unfortunately though, this is rare. & more often then not, prosecutors & cops, DA's, what have you, double down on their mistake, furthering the injustice through illegal, or at the very least, immoral actions to cover up their error & actively work to keep a knowingly innocent person locked up.
Incomprehensible, though tragically too common.
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Exactly. Be aware if LAZY Cops. None will go the extra mile......scary!!!!
I really hope Charles gets out. I can not imagine this whole scenario. I have some very very vivid dreams, especially when I'm in the middle of writing a book so I know the type of dreams that seem too real to be unreal. For the cops to take any of his info when he obviously didn't know the most important details is freaking ridiculous. And then they compact that travesty by twisting his other words to fit the crime and also to convince this man of his guilt is almost more horrible than an actual murder. RIH Kent! Positive vibes and great karma to Charles and Ryan!
Oh my goodness! This is so fucked up! I'm in shock that the cops actually have a clue that is so messed up!!!
Is your book about a retarded Basset Hound puppy with a heart of gold? If so I'd like to purchase one copy.
Ryan’s father is the hero in this story. The love in that man’s eyes is next level💕
So he told a friend that he had a dream, the friend told police and they used the dream as evidence? Good police work guys
Yeah makes the hole "birds of a feather flock together" seem to fit. What was that other friend thinking!?! Aparently his friend group never had dreams before.
Knew
Km mk mm mm.
Oh....
Ooi
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Bad apple extraordinaire
Onemightsay I will only say... I’m sorry to the Ham burglar... I know I killed him. But my dream was telling me he had my mother held captive...
Charles: "I don't remember anything"
Detective: "lets fill in the blanks then"
That certainly isn't a fucked up interrogation tactic!
wow
This detective should be fired, and the attorney and the fat guy charged with surgery😡😤😤
If you already know what happened, what do you need me for?
@@robertapreston4200 surgery?
48Hours had an episode about this a few years ago. It's definitely a brain bender. It's such an unbelievable sequence of events and yet simultaneously completely plausible. If you let your mind contemplate this, it's more terrifying than any Stephen King novel.
I think that it is so sad and unjust that detectives have the “close the case” mentality. Close it at any cost, even if it means arresting and convicting innocent people. Shame on them and the government that lets them do it!
Not only that, but the prosecutors whose zeal for "winning" trumps everything else.
Literally nothing terrifies me more than what a dirty cop can do to the lives of human beings.
8 years of Obama and now the constant hate of antifa/BLM doesn't scare you more? Nothing scares me more than ignorant assholes.
@@USMCasper calm down, dont make this about politics. Hence why they said "DIRTY" cops. Getting triggered isn't gonna convince anyone of your point of view. They never said they supported or were against anything
@@USMCasper 🤡
@@USMCasper Exactly, You scare me.
@Amanda Ohrstrom Well you're just dumb and too far gone in to your diluted mind.
They didn’t want justice, they wanted a conviction by any means necessary.
There’s a big difference between the justice system and the legal system..
They wanted to meet their quota
😭😭😭
So many innocent people in prison for that very reason.
It’s disturbing as hell… stuff of nightmares, that is..
This detective is so awful I'm a combination shocked, angry and in total disbelief.
And bullying. His body language and position of power are intimidating.
It is TERRIBLY UNFORTUNATE how often this kind of thing happens. Taking advantage of a obviously scared person is abhorrent.
I had a dream that I had $100 million and someone stole it. I'd really like my money back.
Freddy Krueger took it, go back to sleep and kick his butt.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Get Detective Plaid Shirt & Sweater Vest to find your money
That holds up in court
IKR⁉️⁉️
The real murderer is like "whattt!? I cant beieve im getting away this easy! Who are Those guys?"
Lol he did really commit the perfect crime when some jackass admits to it 😂
This comment is severely underrated
Totally
I think Michael did it the guy who said saw him last
In all my 57 years of serial killing, this HAS GOT TO BE the stupidest case of self snitching EVER! EVER!!!!! 😠😡👿🤬
Always. ALWAYS have an attorney present when talking to the Police. Guilt or innocence is irrelevant. Investigators are always like water down a hill,the path of least resistance. A twisted cop and/or bent prosecutor and you are screwed.
Repeat after me: "I will not answer any questions without a lawyer present".
No, don't even say that. It may not be counted as a request. You need to verbally say "I am requesting a lawyer" or something very similar. A man once said "give me a lawyer, dawg" and it was ruled as him having not asked for a lawyer. You need to be as clear as possible
@@sea269 Thanks for the tip. I'll rephrase to "I want to have a lawyer present and I'm not answering any questions until I do". Would that work?
MsMaryPatricia my advice would be to yes say you won’t say anything without a lawyer but also specifically say you are invoking your right to an attorney. That’s an undeniable request made in specific legal terms and would be extremely hard for them to get around
@@happydays6570 Take the can with you so you don't leave your dna.
I've actually heard that you have to state that "I am invoking my right to a lawyer and invoking my right to remain silent." After that say NOTHING until the lawyer comes! They can try to talk to you and have conversations but they can take it as, well they said they weren't going to talk, must mean that they want to.
OMFG- the people who recanted “aren’t credible” enough for a retrial- but WERE credible enough to prosecute?!?!?!?
W T F???!!?????
I had a trial, long story. But, I was told my witness wouldn't be believed, because she would lie or that eye witnesses aren't reliable. But that lying cop was plenty reliable.
LMFAO because they wanted a conviction!! being involved with the law is a very dirty and cruel game which is why you never want to be mixed up in anything. the police, judges, da's, etc they are connected and will retaliate against anyone they want and get away with it. it genuinely made no sense that they recanted their stories yet it was found not credible..... not credible by someone who is friends with the prosecutor?? at the end of the day convictions being overturned due to lack of evidence looks bad on the prosecutor because then they could be out of a job.
Exactly what I was thinking.
Nonsensical!
@@jeffcampbell2710 *I did not have a trial. I was told by cops/prosecution I would do 20 years. The cops then offered me 3 years, which I eventually took. Back then I REALLY believed cops wouldn't lie on the stand (they did during grand jury hearing) I though Judges were honest (mine wasn't and was later "relieved" of his position 5 yrs later) and believed no innocent person would ever go to prison (I sure did) Sending you much love and respect. Peace
This case drives me nuts. I'm so glad you covered it. I'm glad one of them is free now.
Ryan Ferguson's trial was going on when I was at grad school at Mizzou. Jeez, Mike, every traumatic thing I've ever rubbed up against, you're right there! How do you even scout these amazing cases from wee small places???? What a mess this ended up being. My roommate was a Tribune reporter, and she was STILL a complete jittering mess over what happened to Kent. Columbia may be a big flagship university town, but it's a small and close-knit journalistic community. This was a nightmare. There was a LOT of pressure to put this case to bed.
"I want a lawyer." This is the only thing you tell a cop.
Always get /ask for a lawyer
The myth that asking for a lawyer is some sort of admission of guilt, has fucked over a lot of people I’m sure.
@@sinkvenice4438 You can tell the cop: I'm stupid and get confused easily. Please get me a lawyer so they may help properly express myself.
Boom. What guilt, copper?
Sound advice Pipi.
Cop: Sir, I stopped you..
Driver: I want a lawyer
Cop: Sir calm down, I just stopped...
Driver: Lawyer I want a lawyer
Cop: Sir your car dropped a wheel, I just want to..
Driver: I'm not saying anything, I want a lawyer
OMG, can you imagine being sentenced to life in prison for a crime you had nothing to do with just because your friend had a dream? What a nightmare!
Facts 💯
Hes damaged
WELCOME TO BEING BLACK.
his stpid friend
Man they are deff coaching the poor guy into a confession , just feeding him bits of info and making him latch onto the new info
You stand up in the morning, you don’t remember what you did in the last night, so you begin to tell your friends you might have killed somebody (“you know, it could be I have done this, I just don’t remember anything”). You go to talk to a cop, don’t demand a lawyer…Is there something else he could have done to incriminate himself , I mean, beside killing the guy? Probably not.
Settlements aren't enough. The detective and prosecutor need to be charged and thrown in prison themselves.
They continue to get away with it, it's sickening. How can these people sleep at night, knowing they send innocent men to prison? Lying through their rotten teeth, yet get away with it.
Mental gymnastics, Stephen Alex. I imagine it’s something like, “I put more bad guys in prison than innocent ones, so I make a positive difference.”
@@brianjamds6617 Absolutely mate. These two were sent to prison, for committing the perfect murder, after consuming alcohol. This wouldn't even go to trial here in the UK. This case is a tragedy, yet we see it time and time again.
With their right to practice stripped in such egregious cases.
He’s still owed over 3/4 of the money
I’ve never seen someone so hell-bent on going to prison.
Really painful. Hard to feel bad for him when he did it to himself
sadly “leading” happen in interviews more often than you’d think and false confessions happen far too often because of interrogators hellbent on getting convictions.
@@BryanAz92 actually I do feel bad, even more so in this case, as this guy was ready to go to prison without even being sure that he was guilty. It takes a strong sense of morals to be so shaken up by the possibility that you're guilty that you end up talking yourself into prison. Most people would've kept their mouths shut.
@@BryanAz92 I feel way worse for Ryan...Imagine being sent to prison by your friend's hallucination.
@born2xlr8 yep what did he shoot?
Exactly why you don't walk into an interrogation room without a lawyer present. Poor guy got railroaded and didn't even realize what was going on.
I've watched every video on That Chapter and I've learned to never, EVER speak without a lawyer. Especially in regards to an effing dream
Wow. The officer who extracted that "confession" should be fired, have his pension taken, be criminally charged, and sent to prison.
It's a cop, he'll probably get a raise and never have justice served to him. They don't care about the law, let alone justice
Nope! The worst that could happen to him is he'll be moved to a different police dept🤦🏽♀️ seen it time and time again 🤬
I agree! That is disgusting! Cops like that have no business on the force and scare the living hell out of me! Can you even imagine how terrifying it would be to be sentenced for something you had nothing to do with!? It gives me chills…
Nobody lies more than a cop.
The prosecutor is now a local judge. 😫
This is disgusting. This cop should be in jail instead of the kid. Along with the prosecutor. This is so sad they must have had terrible lawyers
They may have had Public Pretenders.
Depends if you spilled the beans before seeing a lawyer you’re kind of still screwed.
The prosecutor witheld evidence from their legal defence. There’s more evidence in this video than there was in their trial.
I don't really get this. This is just normal interrogation technic, right? If a lawyer would have been there to advise him that just wouldn't have worked
@Get Offended Thank you for the explanation, I honestly don't know what is allowed and what not in the USA. That's why I asked.
What's so so sad... is the ONE TIME someone comes in and TRIES to do the right thing, even though they didn't do it!!, they didn't even LOOK INTO it. They didn't even try. That dude tried so hard to be accountable for something he never did... THATS when you REALLY lose faith in justice
You see how subjective you can be while being, bullied, intimidated, pressured, manipulated, encouraged and or have faith in the justice system, media and government.. why so many sheep out there. Stay alert, stay educated and critical brothers and sisters.
He basically went to prison because he was suffering from anxiety and intrusive thoughts.
The OCD subset where you think you might be a criminal/pedo or might commit a crime was my FIRST thought. I watched a documentary about a guy who was so scared he'd commit a crime he was afraid to leave his house, use pens... Etc. He got some help. This poor kid not only didn't get help he had a possible disorder used to incriminate him.
This is why we need mental health to be better understood and treated. Better understanding and treatment will also better sus out the liars or those who use mental illness as a scapegoat.
Just like statistics say: the mentally ill are more likely to be victims than criminals. So sad
@@Lady_Phoenix Everything you said is correct, but I don’t think mental illness is the real issue in this case. No matter how much someone says they committed a crime, if there is no evidence linking them (and evidence proving their innocence), they shouldn’t be convicted.
This case makes me so sad and angry.
He basically went to prison because cop's lie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! never trust a COP !
@@cai0409 I think we are saying the same thing. I elaborated on one type of illness that might give the appearance of being criminal. Someone like that would easily become a victim in this circumstance (to bad/lazy police work) and that's just one example of why we require actual evidence.
@@Lady_Phoenix Like I said, I do agree with you. 100%. I just think that mental illness awareness doesn’t matter here if the cops just knew what they were doing. This is a case of cops arresting the easy person.
never allow an officer to interrogate you without a lawyer present and remaining silent is best
And also don't let your imagination get the better of you. He had no business involving himself.
If nothing else, think of this way. Police have their own way of saying things, like a language. Doctors and other occupations are like this, too. Lawyers are interrupters of the lingo and also know what police are really allowed to do. I know a lot of us can't afford attorneys, but its a good thing to have one. You also won't be by yourself and having cops scoot right up in your face to intimidate you.
Nothing you say to the police will benefit you in any way. Remain silent! Or answer with random numbers or colors using a mixture of emotions and facial expressions.. You don't tell them what questions to ask, so they can't tell you how to answer. Remember, they are allowed to lie to you, but it's a crime to lie to them.
kobolddark - a public defender at least
_Especially_ if you're innocent.
They're feeding him details, for his false confession, by driving him there & telling him facts about the case. Wow.
My husband was in law enforcement for 30 years. He always says. Don’t talk to the po po without a lawyer. Ever
Kent Heitholt would regularly feed a stray cat in the car park of his work. After his murder his family adopted the cat.
If this happened to me ~ my family would be stuck adopting the massive pack of “stray” raccoons I feed 😳
@@RaccoonNation you feed raccoons ?!???? Well that’s different 😂😂😂
@@RaccoonNation my kids' great grandmother would hand feed raccoons and squirrels. My boys loved going to visit her in the mountains and watch her feed the animals, it is a beautiful memory that they still hold dear in the heart.
I lived in Columbia when this happened and it’s always stuck with me. A nice man doing a good deed brutally murdered. Bad things do happen to good people. I can’t believe Mike is covering this case! He’s the best.
Who cares
So they had mountains of evidence, and they jailed the dude who had a dream....
Ffs...
Some cops are more worried about closing a case than actually solving them. It makes me sad that they feel that their closed rates matter more than actual justice. It's like the one case where the guy was arrested and sentenced to prison for perjury when he said people should check the Cemetery for the girls body and was either falsely accused of the rape and murder of the girl and the cop refused to apologize to him because he wasn't in prison for murder he was in prison for perjury.. It's like bro you didn't do a service to anyone but yourself and closed case average. Instead you sent innocent people to prison and are letting a murderer run free where they can possibly commit another murder. I don't like how when there is evidence the person is innocent the Judges can block the person from another trial. I know trial are expensive and that lot's of people who don't deserve retrials constantly try to exploit the system to get one. But when one of the people is found innocent as a friggin precaution just maybe check and see if the other guy is too.
Hey, that’s cops for ya! 🤷♂️
Yep. Basically
everybody on the internet is an expert at anything
@@theoretic7856 It shouldn't make you sad....It should infuriate you that someone is sent to prison for something they didn't do.
Imagine how different this "Detectives" attitude and behaviour would have been if there was a lawyer present in the room 🤷♂️💀
I just found this channel 2 weeks ago and I love it. It's wonderful!
I would love to see JCS break this case down. A case study in how not to perform an interrogation.
Yeah bro, me too, I’m waiting on him, he takes weeks to make one content though as he spends a lot of time studying the case 🤦♂️
@@trendingbuzz7489 Yeah, it's worth the wait. I've been watching Matt Orchard in the meantime. Very similar to JCS, but with his own flair.
@@18booma thanks for sharing I’ll check him out
@@trendingbuzz7489 Hes sadly stopped making videos. Check out his spiritual successor Matt Orchard for similar vids (i have a suspicion that they may be one and the same though!)
@@tombicknell5868 Thank you for that, loved JCS 👍🏻
WTF were the jury thinking ? If there’s no proof to back the state’s case - you are instructed to vote not guilty.
Isn't down to a team vote, regardless?
Only in America
It's compliance with authority
It was a plea deal, dumbass.
PIEMEL FRIEMEL “dumbass” lol what grade are you in??? you do know that Ryan Ferguson spent years in prison because he went to trial and Erickson testified against him. The jury convicted Ryan based on his testimony which is what I was referring to.
😳🤯🤬 The courts should be there to find the TRUTH!!! 😳🤯🤬 It should NOT be about which lawyer wins the most!!! 🤬 Prosecutors who blatantly lie, withhold proof of innocence or convince witnesses to give false testimony (which is the same as “intimidating a witness”) should face their own trial & prison time if found guilty!!!
Love you Mike. Your vlogs are always so well researched and presented.
The moment the guy said "im gonna start talking and you're gonna start listening" I'd have stopped the interview.
Your right, I would have said "Oh yeah? Well I'm going to stop talking and want a lawyer".
I would never say a word besides maybe just saying "I'm listening"
esp after the "detective" had already been talking for 90% of the interaction that we saw in this video.
Yep
@Benjamin Saragosa some big words there. they would then have to charge you or let you go.
and if they charge you and you need a public then you can be there for weeks for nothing. these were teens where the f were his parents ?
TEACH YOUR CHILDREN, IF YOU GET ARRESTED YOU REQUEST A LAWYER INSTANTLY AND ONLY EVER SAY NO COMMENT.
Yep.
Dad & probably Mom told me the Criminal Lawyer from the Church :) as I got older I knew it was a Fair assessment he was Very Good.
He is Passed now 😭
1 time in court? I believe a client had been assigned to him Indignant
I have nothing he says.
Julio said my son would like that Leather jacket.
He had to give it to him :)
@@stephaniehowe0973 lol wut
@@stephaniehowe0973??
My wife is not from the US and i taught her if you ever get in trouble for anything just say " i want a lawyer" They ask if you want a drink you reply with "i want a Lawyer" and you dam well sure i'm going to teach my son that also.
You should even get a lawyer before talking to pigs, arrested or not.
This episode was tough to watch! And Ryan, you are an incredible human being! As for the corrupt "detective", you will answer for what you've done.
This is the first That Chapter video I couldn't watch until the end. Just heartbreaking to see two people lose years and years of their lives over a scumbag detective's actions and a lazy justice system.
A tutorial on how to talk to cops:
Don't. Get a lawyer and have him do the talking.
And have the lawyer do a facepalm, sigh, and mutter *"This is the easiest, but stupidest paycheck I have ever earned"*
If you don’t have money...
@@chazchillings3019 Somebody pays them. You have a right to an attorney. Someone is paying that dude to represent you.
If he’d gotten a lawyer before talking to that cop, neither of them would’ve gone to prison. Why whyyy whyyyyyyy do so many not do it?
@@amazingsupergirl7125 they are pussies and don't know how to defend themselves.
When someone’s DNA, fingerprints and shoes size doesn’t match anything at the crime scene then they’re innocent until something else proves otherwise.
BigRooster agreed. This sounds like bad TV writing, not real life.
Exactly but where they made him confess it doesn't matter. That's enough
What about the jury that helped put these kids away without any evidence?
In the US, all it takes is for someone to say ya did it! Good enough for our juries!
Ive been on jury duty and the people there are too damn dumb to be judging anything. 100 year ago when juries actually gave the presumption of innocence, the system might have worked. But today, its a guilty-churning factory in courthouses unless you have some solid evidence you are innocent. And thats now how its supposed to work.
Im glad Ryan got 11 million. He deserves every penny for missing his entire 20s.
WOW this brings up memories i remember well about this big time but back then Ryan had said he knew who did it and i knew instantly who he was referring to and seeing this vid its just confirmation , great job covering this story
NEVER talk to the police without a lawyer. Ever.
"at one point the police have to take charles to where it happened, because he doesn't know where it happened" rofl
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Says everything that there is to be said about this case. What a travesty. Poor boys.
Ryan is a real G for trying to set his friend free, most people would've washed their hands of the entire situation, but he's gone out of his way to help despite everything that happened.
he's honestly better than me!!!! I would've told him to rot in hell!
Also Ryan's father, who convinced the attorney to also represent Erickson.
He's a dude who would confess to a crime he most likely didn't even do so yeah he would probably be the same kind of person who would feel guilty as hell for dragging someone else down with him nothing G about it he just an idiot.
He seems like a nice person. Still cares about and wants to help the dude who pretty much ruined his life.
@@charaznable8072 Why is Ryan an idiot? He didn't confess to anything Charles did.
I was in a police interrogation room many times as a young man and if any cop had me pinned in a corner talking at me like that I would have assaulted them to get them to back off (and taken the beating and extra charge that would result. I've had beatings from them for less) that is nothing but intimidation and bullying. Thankfully I mended my ways after a couple of shortish prison terms and got on with life. This poor bloke should never have even been in that room.
I found a story I missed...or so I thought. What the heck, Mike's so entertaining..worth a watch once again. Cheers Mike!
It’s strange that a police man would tell a suspect how someone was murdered when the crime was still under investigation. It’s like the suspect was spoon-feed the details so the case could be closed.
Yep because that's what happened. He spoon fed the boy the details so he could close the case.
And he wouldn't be the first.
Literally the exact opposite of protocol.. usually they hold back the evidence, let you lock yourself into a story, then reveal that you're lying. And at that point you are screwed.
This seems to be the opposite. They tell you the evidence, let you meander through your story, then correct what you got wrong. And at THAT point your friend is screwed! Weird PD.
@@TrineDaely Nor the last.
same thing that happened in the steven avery case. but UPDATE Charles Erickson was paroles January 2023!! but needs this erased and needs to get paid for all the time he has lost. n9body gets paroles this soon convicted of murder but ppl know he is innocent.
OJ: plenty of evidence against him, not convicted
This guy: evidence all points elsewhere, convicted.
Same with Casey Anthony, remember? Supposedly only circumstantial evidence , then yet she was not guilty when she lied over and over
Thank the idiot lawyers who let a former Black Panther who held his fist in the air and said "for Rodney" after the verdict was read sit on the jury for that one.
Perfect match to your actual President!
@@franzhose2388 trump 2020
money'money'money can buy you anything.
Poor guy he is really too honest. Shame on the authorities and their boys’ network and career ambitions.
Lawyer!!! as soon as he said, "I'm talking, you're gonna listen "
It's apalling how all the forensic evidence at the crime scene was ignored, thus jailing two innocent men and letting the guilty one go free.
Thank you both! I've seen it firsthand, and have networked with people who've been falsely accused of crimes. What really sucks is that it's so shocking how far the system goes to lie.and ignore exculpatory evidence, that you often have to see it to believe it. It's a mind screw to witness, but it's always refreshing to see folks who share your knowledge and opinions.
The problem is the investigation isn't conducted by scientists. Scientists collect the information, present it all into a nice document but in the end it all boils down to some cop with all his biases, agendas and inclinations just following his gut instinct and will only use all the scientific evidence if it happens to agree with their hunch.
@Lil Heinz94 I'm not sure where you live, but in the US there is not. Prosecutors are insulated from being prosecuted or punished. Same for police, but SOME things can cause repercussions of a sort (suspension, demotion) like fabricating evidence. But for manipulating and coercing confessions they are simply rewarded. It is SO f-ed up! It would be wonderful if they changed that one little detail and made them completely responsible for any behavior that results in a false conviction. Let them lie and manipulate but they'd better be absolutely certain they're right. As it is now, it's sport.
Love Bubble they should face life in prison for miscarriage of justice. Any law suits should come directly from police pension funds.
@@omgitsjoetime Not a bad idea. I don't know about a life sentence, but it feels like you're on the right track.
This is a shame. I cannot believe that interrogation, that cop was shady as hell. I felt so bad for that boy sitting in there being lied to and manipulated like that. Hopefully Charles will be released soon, he is clearly innocent. Ryan is a good person to help with the fight to release him.
Moral of story LAWYER UP better call Saul
Interrogations are a strange thing because the investigator(s) are allowed to lie and manipulate yo to get a "confession".
Thats why you dont talk at all untill a layer is present.
They can lie to you, but you can't lie to them. Funny how that works.
They use so many unfair ways to "get information" not caring if it's fact or not, some just want to solve a case. Idk how tf they live with themselves. Being in prison would be hard enough, but to be innocent? omg, no amount of money could bring that time/life back.
I have been going back to re watch eps that I had forgotten... Mike! This was 3 years ago and you hadn't changed a tad mate!
By far my most fav channel for years!.... New murder case solved in Australia, only 120 ks from where I live. Google Ballarat murder... I am sure you will be covering it soon. A son of a ex Aussie Rules player... WEIRD!
Thanks for telling this story
One of your biggest fans from Columbia Missouri
You did a great job telling this story
What an absolute legend Ryan is. Good on him for still trying to help out his friend.
If I were him I'd only try to free Charles so I could beat the crap put of him
Id kill someone for putting me in prison that long not legit. Kill them.
Secretly lol
I agree, he’s a much better man than I e we oils be in that situation.
Ryan was on the amazing race after he got out btw
he might feel sorry for him...charles isn't all there...lights are on but no one is home
Ryan is trying to get his friend out of prison when that 'friend' is the one who sent him. There for almost 6 years.
Ryan deserves everything in the world because that is incredible. He holds no grudges for the man who sent him to prison.
Not a wise move. One can argue that he didn't actually know what Mr. Erickson did after he dropped him off that night? Maybe he didnt go to/couldn't sleep? Maybe the drugs took him over during the night? These & more can be used to argue against him cuz the undue feelings of guilt that overcame him for a crime seemingly completely disconnected from him is certainly bizarre.
Whatever the case, the way I see this guy, he will continue to drag Ryan down if the latter doesn't wise up soon enough.
Re: 6years
Ryan got $1million for every year of his incarceration & was awarded $11million.
@@roseaduke8835 Have you actually watched the video? There was no evidence to back that up. Fingerprints, shoe prints, hair did not match. Nothing puts him in the crime scene. The guy tripped balls is all. You somehow believe he became super villain in the short time frame that he managed to kill the guy, cleared every bit of evidence against him and framed somebody else?
Dude, stay away from this case. You sound like the kind of dumb ass that will put himself in prison for a crime he had nothing to do with.
@@sonayyalim
I always find it's the dumb folks that are quick to call others "dumb".
State your opinion & make your case without the insults. Grow up.
I said "One could argue..." & not that I believed he did it or not.
If a case could have been made & believed possible, without reasonable doubt against tnose two then I must say that the argument I posited up there is also plausible.
Looks like you definitely missed the point from the totality of my comment.
Dumb on!
@Sturm
I THINK the time spent in holding for the duration between his arrest & actual sentencing was added too.
@@roseaduke8835 I was being kind when I called you dumb. You are so behind you can't even see that, not surprisingly. I didn't present an opinion, you are fighting "facts".
That was tough to watch...thank you Mike for your thoughtful empathetic presentation of this sad and difficult case.
I couldn't watch; I'm just horrified about those being persecuted for crimes they didn't commit. When the young man is "positively identified" by a witness you can just see his face fall.
I’m not one to diagnose over the internet, but it sounds like Charles was possibly suffering from harm OCD. When OCD has you convinced that you have harmed, or will harm someone accidentally. I know because I have suffered from this and it’s truly a curse.
I was just going to comment this! I also suffer from it and that’s all I could think about the entire time.
That police man is practically sitting on his lap, that kid must be able to smell that policeman's breath, yuk, sheer intimidation, that's bullying not interviewing.
That's standard police interrogation technique. They're trained to move closer and closer to ramp up the pressure.
@@cdeford this... but if they done that to me it’s at that point I’d just shut up and not talk to them until they moved back (if I was gonna talk to them at all)
@@cdeford , I'd tell him to back out of my personal space....then lawyer up!
Hes not intervewing. The military knife hands and "YOU", "WALK THROUGH THIS STEP BY STEP", the cops trying to get him to extract from his memory. Its shock extraction. "YOU BETTER START THINKING VERY CLEARLY"..."CLEAR"
But Boyd doing it doesn't make sense because the witness on the 9-11 call said two younger males in the 9-11 call didn't he???
And dude thought he was strangled with a shirt or bungee cord or something simmilar before anyone was told of the belt, a similar object. Unless dude is one of those psychics who dreams of stuff they see on the news.
Ryan may be the bad one all along but never talked. Ans other guy may have a super blurred recollection of doing it
This case is *infuriating*-you can see Ryan shaking his head while the witness identifies him.
Thanks for another terrific video, Mike-o.
If you have a case overturned thats this bad, the prosecutor and judge should be at least forced out of their positions.
Scary knowing there's many, many more cops with no business in that profession. Oh, GED, 18 yrs old, ego, testosterone overload, aggressive attitude, no record? You're hired! Take this gun & viewpoint you're above everyone & everything & don't forget, have fun out there
Truly one of the most frustrating stories to watch. Charles. That forceful interrogation. Ryan knowing he's innocent. Charles!!....WTF?! Was that police officer reprimanded, or hopefully, fired?
Once I heard that none of the evidence at the crime scene was linked to either one of the young men. I knew this was going to be a bad case. This type of shit is beyond disturbing.
And that’s what GOOD cops are supposed to do. These assholes needed to close the case (not always the same as solving it), and railroaded the boys so they would be the ones to get the “collar”. The real travesty is that the prosecutors bought into it further and then made it worse by suborning perjured testimony to do it. Disgusting.
_"I'm tryin' to help you, son."_ *_THEN CALL MY F*CKING LAWYER!_*
I know right! Maybe this video will help get the right people involved. Because no man should even spend one day behind bars for a crime he didn't commit. And it would take a total moron to look at this information and not see he didn't do it. Sad man😔
Should have !
But... That lil boy at the beginning! Damn, I laughed and laughed! 😅
Hey Mike thanks for bringing this case to the publics attention, maybe you will have a part in freeing Ryan, Can’t think of a better deed, Howdy from Australia👍🏝
Cases like this are the biggest argument against death penalty
I guess since we don't burn people at the stake anymore they think they're improving.
Brian Warner but consider the fact that any case that warrants the death penalty has a small percent chance of putting an innocent person to death. There is no way we can fully assure that there isn’t an innocent person being put on death row, which means the death penalty will always potentially violate human rights, and, more poignantly, threaten INNOCENT people. Plenty of people on death row have been proven innocent, and it’s estimated that there are more wrongfully convicted. That makes the death penalty inherently flawed.
Brian Warner the death penalty is bias. And only benefits the living. What makes a jury choose the life or death of a man? What are their qualifications? And it’s inconsistent as hell.
Facts
@Brian Warner No, in "real cases" there's a nearly 4% innocent murder by the state rate..... So your premise is flawed at best, idiotic at worst. You're just justifying state murder no matter how you split it or excuse it in your own head.
The cop conducting the interview isn't concerned with the truth rather he's blatantly coercing, even flatly telling Erickson to say what he needs to arrest and charge him with murder. The police detective and prosecutor Crane should be fired and charged with fabricating a false case among other things.
All about closing the case.
I love ur channel,and love ur sence of humor xo😘
Hey Mike!! I really love your channel…it’s by far my favorite and I really appreciate the time and effort you put in! Ryan Ferguson is now on The Amazing Race! Just thought you might like to know if you didn’t already.