What Are the All-NBA Teams Right Now? | The Bill Simmons Podcast
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- čas přidán 17. 03. 2024
- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo to talk about the players that would make the All-NBA teams right now.
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Probably the most pushback I’ve seen between Bill and Ryen. Lovin it.
You're doin the Lord's work Russillo
“Whose your cable provider” killed me
Rusillo absolutely destroys me. I'm dying here.
I was going to make this comment if I didn't see it. Lol.
*who's
nahh he went in a lil bit💀 3:27
Just a reminder that Bill got talked into voting against Jokic for MVP last year
Totally appropriate. There had never been a 3 in a row MVP who had not won at the highest level. Besides, they have always spread that award around to honor guys. THink about it. David Robinson. Karl Malone. If the REALLY chose the best player each year LeBron and Jordan would each have like 10 each.
That's true, but also bs to be honest. Like kinda makes the award a little pointless
Embiid deserved it last year.
The point for me is, Bill is extremely narrative driven when it comes to these things. He considers himself a historian, and really his premise against voting for Jokic was that in history only 3 people had back to back to back MVPs (one was Larry Bird, the other was Bill Russell) and Simmons said he didn't feel Jokic deserved to be in that echelon.
@@David-iv6je False Durant, Curry, Harden and Westbrook all won theres
Love the 65 game rule
This season has been so much better than last season, and I give the credit to that rule. AD and Kawhi have played more than they have in years. Stars are actually trying.
Mehhh in the case of Haliburton you got a young guard who isn’t manipulating the rest. He is legit hurt and must okay so he doesn’t lose 60+ million
@@sergeynazaro1768 on the whole it's a great rule. Haliburton is unfortunate but the league is better
@@user-wt3pw1jv6iexactly… it’s unfortunate for guys like Halliburton and Mitchell but at the same time the rule does FAR more good than bad.
If you can’t play atleast 79% (65/82*100) of the season idk how anyone can justify you making an all NBA team or winning award when they DIRECTLY impact how much money these guys can make
@@sergeynazaro1768 So u want them to take rule away for one semi star player. We always cater to the fringe minority.
"Okay, we're talking about something else here now. Is this turning into a 2 Lakers vs 1 Celtic thing?" -- Ryen Rusillo
Absolutely no way that would make sense
Bill needs Ryen on these pods...
He needs someone to check him on silly takes like his Wemby one.
He's the only who keeps him in check. I think he's the only person who he really respects opinion wise
Everyone else is scared to call him out but he respects people who do. House, ryen, sal etc
It’s a great combo - smart but not boring, disagree but not every time, discussion without shouting.
@@slightexagI agree with his Wemby take. Gobert and Wemby have similar defensive numbers, but the T-Wolves are the no.1 ranked defense. And have what the 4th best record in the league. While the Spurs suck.
Ryan was cooking this pod. This is what peak podcasting looks/sounds like lol
I don’t know who these guys are but I just found them on my way home from a night out on the bus. What a refreshing take. Feels like two guys that just enjoy the game, shooting shit, calling each other out on their bad takes and them owning it. A legitimate discussion, Sick podcast.
My take on all of these awards is that winning is the tie breaker. You cant leap frog someone purely off record but if its close record starts to matter.
Look at Wemby’s defensive on/off numbers… easily a DPOY candidate
Yeah, Bill was COMPLETELY off here. Its okay to not vote him for DPOY, but pretending he isn't a a candidate when his team is the worst defense on the League with him off and above average when he is on is ludicrous.
If it wasn't for all the hype Bill would be saying Wembanyama is an empty calories player, he loves the talk of "if youre not winning the fault is entirely on you"
Candidate yes, bit it should be Gobert. His defensive presence alone has made the Wolves the #1 defense in the NBA.
@@brianfitzsimmons6074 Entirely fair. Wemby is very clearly going to be the best defensive player in the league very soon, but Gobert right now is slightly ahead. Wemby shouldn't get discounted when he has a blatant tank roster around him, though.
They just prove those numbers are bullshit. There’s no way they’re a bottom seven defensive team for the 18 he’s not on the floor, then a top five team for the 30 minutes he is. If that was true, they would have a hell of a lot more than 18 wins.
@@SDesWriterthe Cavs lost a game where Lebron played 46 minutes and was +7 in those 46 minutes in 2015. In the 3 point era, you can absolutely be the best defense in the league for 30 minutes and still being so bad in the other 18 that you end up with 23rd overall rating.
love when these two go at it😂😂
Can I just say that I wish there was an hour of content from these two guys a couple times a week. Hands down my favorite duo of basketball podcasters.
5:20 russillo knew exactly wtf he was doing and thats what makes it all the better
Ryen standin' on Bidness!!! lolol
I think the award for winning should be the wins. I think the award for the best player on the best team should be finals MVP. I think MVP & DPotY ought to acknowledge great play even when those first two metrics may not be telling the whole story.
Well said
Russillo is just great TV.
Bill has been such a Celtics Homer lately, more than usual
Hard not to be when the team is as good as the Celtics have been this year.
@@emilem12in the context of this video he’s talking like brown and Tatum are solely responsible for their success, not like they have two other former all stars and Derrick white
great job... thanks for this one
Great topic and conversation. Bill and Ryen both have good points.
y’all bring out the best in each other
I love when they disagree >>>> … 2 informative perspectives!! My guys. RR sarcasm is top tier too lmao
3:32-3:44 Bill, hounded by Russillo's suffocating defense (think Lu Dort but more muscle mass), goes through his whole package here (*different guy* *swagger* *figured it out*) to disarm him. Russillo unmoved. Shot clock violation.
"Shoulda used the herky jerky", Bill mumbles under his breath, 3 minutes later.
This comment is insanely underrated.
tatum thing is funny bc yea the team is +12.4 with him on the court, he's got a net rating of +3.8, meaning the team is still a +8.6 without him on the court, so it's not like nuggets being a +10.5 with jokic on the court and jokic also having a net rating of +18.9, which means they're a -8.4 with him off the court.
basically, celtics are killing with tatum on the court, but they're also really fucking good with him off the court
So with the Tatum thing is he also anchors the bench unit. Bos subs him out early and leaves 4 starters plus Houser then they put Tatum back in later with the bench so all the starters can rest. But your right it’s not like years before when the team would crater without him and it shouldn’t cuz it’s still jrue d white brown and Porzingis on the floor together without him.
@@callico4044So in other words Tatum’s having a pretty darn good season, but doesn’t have the impact on his team that Joker and perhaps other candidates have on theirs?
@@fortynights1513 yes and no. Jokic is the best player in the game and the nuggets bench is notoriously bad that’s y his on off splits look so crazy while the Celtics basically use JT to anchor the bench units so the on off splits aren’t that crazy but yea Tatum doesn’t have the same impact as the best player in the league since prime
Lebron
Nuggets be stat padding Jokic net rating. It wouldn’t be that high if they actually had a competent bench big
Can you guys argue more? You two arguing about Wemby was awesome to watch!
If you want cheap, artificially constructed drama in arguments, watch First Take or Undisputed.
@@Smido83 they sounded exactly like what they are. Old friends who argue.
If your best skill is defense and your on a minutes restriction but when you are on the court your team becomes one of the best defenses vs the worst is all the proof you need plus using the a rookie got screwed by the team that picked him applies directly to Wemby's DPOY argument
Looked forward to this one. That guard spot is thick
Gobert is a defensive menace. Teams don’t even attempt to shoot in the paint against him. If u actually watch Wolves games, there’s a reason they are the #1 defensive team. Gobert statistically has the best defensive rating for a reason.
With all due respect to Wemby, who I think could get like 5-6 DPOYs in the future 😂
Yes but Wemby also is taking a historically bad defense and has taken them to the 23rd ranked defense in the league, which may not sound great, but when you factor in this team would be miles below even the wizards defensively without him, and the fact he’s having to keep all 5 offensive players in site at all times bc he can’t rely on his teammates for stops, and so often being able to make the play when he shouldn’t be able to, the close outs, it’s undeniable imo. Plus, Rudy can play that way bc of the excellent perimeter defense that the wolves have that allows him to roam the paint and not have to worry about the perimeter. Wemby doesn’t have that luxury and is still getting stops both in the paint and on the perimeter that Gobert couldn’t dream of
people don't even try to score a layup in transition cuz wemby is behind them.... + Rudy has the highest def RTG this season cuz the whole team has lol... t-wolves w/o Rudy have the same defensive rating..... you can check that up ... when wemby gets off the court sa def rating goes from top 6 in the Nba to bottom 2 + i didnt even mention stats where there Is not even an argument fir how mutch better wemby Is stat wise
Paolo Banchero needs to be on a ALL NBA TEAM 3rd minimum 💯💯💯💯💯
I’m not saying Wemby is DPOY, but to say he can’t be because of the defensive rating seems like not a great argument when you realize their defensive rating when he’s off the court is one of the worst ever. If you want to argue against him, you have to mention that he’s only playing 29 minutes a game, which is part of why their defense is only 23rd. So it’s really just an incomplete argument. Still, he deserves some votes with what he’s doing out there.
Talking about Braintree and whatnot makes me miss home. I haven’t been home to Boston in 3 years. It’s time to visit.
I get that Bill is a Celtics guy, but his point about the Lakers having 2 All-NBA guys and being a 10 seed is not wrong. Why are they in the play-in every year if the Lakers have 2 Top 15 guys?
Who do you think the two best players in the league are? Now imagine they were on the same team and you and your friends were the rest of the roster. That team would be terrible. There ya go, bud.
@@NicolasAlcalde hmmmm interesting. One question, if they're so bad, how did they (the Lakers) manage to heat the Celtics IN BOSTON without LeBron or AD? Also, remember Tatum, Brown, Tingus Pingus, Jrue, and Derrick White were all healthy and playing for Boston that day
Mind you, they played Boston in LA with LeBron and AD healthy AND LOST Christmas Day
@@NicolasAlcaldeummm yeah...but it's not me and my buddies these areNBA guys
Because Lebron’s stats are manufactured, if you watch games you know his stats are mostly garbage. The team plays better without him for sure.
They’ve won a championship and made the wcf with ad and lebron and the reason they’ve been in the play in is because of injuries and poor roster construction outside of lebron and ad
The balls to put Zion over Lebron when Zion only finally got into playing shape like a month ago, while LeBron, a dude who entered the league when Zion was 2, is putting up nearly 26/7/8 and has been Uber consistent all year long at basically 40 years old is maybe the most Celtics homer take I’ve ever seen from Bill, take that meds back to Boston. That’s a joke.
If you DPOY Wemby, boy, Luka needs 10 MVPs this season
Sabonis should be 2nd Team Center
No mention of Hali?!?
Love that Ants getting his
Bill being a homer is valid this time. 2 lakers absolutely can’t make it and that would be a disgusting bias
I loved Ryan’s take on wemby
to Ryen's point about statistical achievements mattering more than winning, Westbrooks historic 2017 season
One of the only things I agree with Bill on is that the position-less teams is bad. That is a solution in search of a problem.
Sabonis has to be 2nd or 3rd team.
He’s the MVP of the Kings. Fox has missed a number of games, Barnes and Huerter have been terrible, Murray hasn’t had a big jump, he’s focused more on defence, the other scorer is Monk.
Sabonis is driving that team. He has to be all-nba. No question
The mental gymnastics people go through to try and find reasons to not vote for him is reaching a new peak.
funny thing is every team/lineup stat says fox is why the kings win games, not sabonis
What a tangent that was
Bill was reaching as hard as he could not to give Wemby any DPOY consideration.
his logic is so bad.
My personal list as of now:
1st team Luka SGA Tatum Giannis & Jokic
2nd team Brunson Edwards Kawhi KD Sabonis
3rd team Steph Booker Jaylen Brown Bron AD
Tough to leave Zion out but the start of the season I believe affects his case.
Never agreed more with anyone than Russillo with Wemby being Dpoy
The case against Tatum would be Porzingis is top 5 in WS/48 & Tatum is out of the top 10 & Boston has 7 in the Top 50...So, theyre winning & you'd think his winning would place him in the top 10 if hes so good
The great argument would be theres no clear #5 so why not Tatum, its just weird that you have a clear 4, almost need 6 2nd teams
Glad we all agree that Ryen was 10000% right.
their record and D rating isnt up to him much with number of games/mins hes played. with him on court they re ranked 1st!
If arod hit 100 he and 1000 RBI I'm pretty sure they would have won over 120 games
Gobert is dpoy. Wemby is more exciting
For sure
Standing on business..think Alonzo mourning always serious about the job at hand on a professional(bizness) level
“LeBron, Zion, or Jaylen Brown” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 My god… Bill has grown on me in recent years, but his Celtics bias will never not be hysterical
1st: Luka, SGA, Tatum, Giannis, Jokic
2nd: Brunson, Haliburton, Leonard, Durant, AD
3rd: Maxey, Edwards, JB, LeBron, Sabonis
huge haliburton fan here but he has been garbage since his injury, no way can you put him ahead of Ant. Maxey is singlehandedly keeping a joke roster afloat, and without Curry the Warriors would be worse than the Wizards. I'd put Booker and Mitchell ahead of him as well. Maybe All NBA 5th team, but it's a tight fit with Dame and De'Aaron having great seasons (and all this is if you dont call JB a guard)
Hali blew it by not resting more after pulling his hammy. he has been trash since then, outplayed by TJ McConnell in nearly every game. He rushed back so he could be eligible for the awards, and the irony is he's not even good enough to be considered anymore
Sabonis definitely 2nd team and switch Maxey for Curry.
4:01 bill did NOT have tha same energy in 2022 for ROTY OMG
Not saying Haliburton should make it but he deserves to be mentioned. Especially with the drama behind him playing through injury for it
So many counting stats are because of coach's decisions.
If the offense isn't set up to get a player touches, that player's probably not getting too many points or assists.
Same with rebounding, that depends a lot on team rebounding strategy.
Having a big role (big numbers) on a losing NBA team doesn't help an MVP case that much.
If someone's getting 50 a game on the last place team, that's really up to the coach.
Maybe that player's an amazing NBA scorer, but I don't think MVP goes to that kind of stunt.
Them talking about standing on business is hilarious
I read the title wrong, for a second there i thought it said all nba of "where are they now guys" lol Anthony Bennet #1 pick for sure
When did a player award based on team effort.
The prob with Wemby at the beginning of the year was pop was playing him at the 4
I LOVE how much Russillo is calling Bill out for his horrible takes and Celtics homerism in this segment.
Finally Russillo stood up a little bit to Bill’s stupidity and bias.
Why is bill so afraid of Sacramento??
Sabonis > AD
I usually side with Bills opinions most times but the wemby thing is crazy, I mean stop over thinking, it’s DPOY. Just vote for the best defender, it’s not the players fault for the team their on most times, wemby defense is head and shoulders above even gobert, take a poll on who nba players would rather go at to the rim
No Bam mention is criminal. But what can I expect from The Boston Ringer
There is no world in which bam makes it on the 7 seed heat over Jaylen brown, Lebron James or Sabonis
@@silkysmoothsav you coulda just said “I don’t watch the Heat” and you would’ve saved a few characters
@@jac23mj who would he make it over please tell me
Bill had some good points though, if the team sucks in most scenarios a player shouldn't get an award
Hoping dame goes on a run. 24 and 7 on a 44-24 team. 3-1 when Giannis is out. Not even a mention of his name but you bring up maxey? On a way worse team. Couple more points but less rebounds and assists. Dame just dropped 31 and 16 without Giannis in a win.
DPOY is the DPOY regardless what his team does. I understand the argument, but disagree. Who's better defensively Gobert or Wemby? It's at the very least debatable. A deer on ice? He was 19. Superstars were in awe of him. At 19!
If we're saying record doesnt count then neither does age. He WASNT DPOY level for the first 1/3 of the season, and that matters.
KD is nothing but a stretch four nowadays with occasional rim pressure. He's an absolutely elite one, don't get me wrong, but that archetype doesn't warrant first team All-NBA.
Bill is gonna be seething if LeBron and AD make All NBA
1st team has to be: Luka, Giannis, Jokić, Shai, Tatum
2nd team has to be: Durant, Kawhi, Brunson, Sabonis, Edwards
3rd team has to be: Davis, LeBron, Steph, Maxey, Booker
VW is hands down DPOTY. He should get ROTY, first because of all the records he has set. Second has played well against any of the other ROTY candidates. Unfortunately Chet is not a “Rookie”. Last VW stats are untouchable!
1:40 Russillo's got D.A.D. Devils Advocate Disorder. Take it to him, Ryen. (But I'm with Simmons on this. Wemby was not DPOY for the first two months, and I want my "mosts" to be so all year long.)
It’s 2024, we should be perfectly capable of judging a player without looking at how many wins their team has…
Yeah, Tatum in other spot with SGA, Luka, Joker, and Giannis.
How about you isolate the Spurs defense with and without Wemby. Look at those net ratings. The Twolves would trade Goberts defense for Wembys 7 days a week and twice in a primetime game
Sabonis should make it. 20/14/8/60% on a team that's 41-29.
😂Russillo so funny
To Rusillo’s hypothetical about the guy who has 100 HRs and 1,000 RBIs, the whole point is if somebody is that dominant it’s almost impossible to not also be winning. Cos that dude has 1,000 RBIs which equates to a lot of team wins…
Correct. I get his point about "at some point everyone caves on winning if the stats are absurd." And I don't agree that stats are the only thing that matter when it comes to Mvp, all pro/nba/nhl/mlb teams.
Statistical greatness regardless of context (aka does the team suck or not) is what the all stars are for.
Could a player win MVP with 100 HRs / 100 RBIs tho? Like literally his team is trash but they smash homeruns with no one on baseball every other at bat before just getting walked? They could bat 1.000 but never score if the rest all strikes out etc. Obvisously hypothetical lol
5th spot should go to Sabonis or Strus.
Kawhi should get the 5th spot on All NBA 1st team by stats, but I like the idea of just making the regular season matter more and giving it to Tatum. Anything to get top players and teams to care more and try more in the regular season, I'm about it.
I would argue that Tatum’s superior raw statistics (PPG, RPG, APG), the fact that he initiates the offense more than Leonard, and yes, the fact that he’s the best player on the best team in the NBA should allow him to edge out Kawhi and his superior efficiency and clutch play.
yearly bill “idk about lebron”
all nba
So for rookie of the year doesn't matter if your team is good but if you're the best defensive player but the rest of your team is terrible.... Bill argues in circles
Not sure how you can give Wemby DPOY over Rudy. Rudy has the numbers AND he is basically responsible for the Wolves being #1 in defense.
The T Wolves actually have good to decent defenders who give a shit. The spurs have absolute dickheads who care only about scoring points.
If Rudy doesn't win DOPY this year he'll do the money sign to the cameras. But we all know that Wembenyama is a better defender. It's not his fault that Pop is tanking the team this year to get another good rookie to pair with him.
Jalen Williams 60/40/80.... One of the best players in the league
1000% just not all NBA. Next year he will be an all-star guaranteed
Winnings matters in all-nba proceeded to put Ad in All-NBA over Sabonis.
came to hear some lebron hate, i know bill won't let me down
why does winning matter for defensive player of the year? especially in Wemby's case since he's only playing like 28 mins per game. the Spurs defense isn't great but the differential when he's on the court vs off the court is like 8 points per 100 possessions. he's clearly the best defender in the league. so just being like "oh well he'll win it every year after this" is such a cop out. especially since he has to play on both ends of the floor and Gobert can just chill and anchor the defense behind Ant and KAT. sometimes Bill is just so stubborn and oblivious.
Should team defensive performance matter for DPOY? In particular with and without the player in question.
@@fortynights1513 i don't think team performance should matter. i was just mentioning it to highlight how impactful his defense has been.
Whether you agree or not but Defensive player awards is always associated with the defensive ranking of the team
I can respect Ryen’s view, but I think the main factor of an MVP is wins. Otherwise, they’re not valuable despite the stats, there’s no results. Like, I was against Jokic’s MVP two years ago when the Nuggets finished 6th and left first round. MVP’s should be 1-3 seeds. But DPOY and Rookie can be more stat-reliant. You can have a top defense and shit offense.
VALUE to a team should matter most. The award isnt called "Most Winning Player - aka MWP" If not, just allways give it to the best player on the team with the most wins... why even vote. 2 years ago the Nuggets wouldve been last in the entire NBA without Jokic (maybe 15-20 wins if they were lucky), with him they won 48. Lets say Tatum is out this season, the Celtics would still be fighting for Homecourt, means maybe 10-15 less wins.
Yes, winning matters to a degree. Right now (as a lifelong Mavs fan) I wouldnt give it to Luka. If they finish strong and reach 50+ wins and the 5th seed, he deserves it! Cause he carried this team through the injury riddled months (November-January) with a constantly changing roster around him. Since they are mostly healthy the team is 15-7 since February 1st... thats a 56 win pace if you scale it up to 82 games... Not to mention that Dallas was 8-2 to start the season before all the injury problems hit the roster. OKC on the other hand had basically no injury problems all season. The starting lineup played 58 out of 69 games together (7 starting lineups overall)... Dallas had 33 different starting lineups this season (not one that played more then 10 games). So is the better record that SGA has more important without context?
@@Smido83 I see what you mean, but take Embiid or Giannis off of their teams and they finish just as bad. 6th place is basically last place, especially when you have other stars finishing higher in the standings. The goal is a better record, and by virtue in theory, a championship, not avoiding finishing last. I’d say Jokic did a disservice by staying in and ruining their draft chances to improve their odds. But hey, just my opinion. Take Luka off this team and they’re total shit, I agree he should be up there. Same with Shai, his teammates aren’t offensively gifted to keep them in the race.
@@chadams7753 A championship has nothing to do with the MVP...
And I would never take any star player seriously that just sits out a season cause his co star is injured. If you think thats a valid suggestion, we dont have to talk anymore, cause we have nothing in common if it comes to values in sport. I respect anyone who tries everything to win, no matter if he succeeds or not.
@@Smido83 You don’t play to not suck, you play to win. And there were more valuable players because they finished better than 6th and wouldn’t have if they weren’t there. Not finishing last is not a flex.
@@Smido83 So you would vote Baker Mayfield MVP over a Lamar Jackson? Baker did just as much to keep Bucs out of last place and a decent draft position and get them in the playoffs. Lamar is Embiid living at the top of the standings the entire season being the sole reason they’re there as well.
MVP. Jokic. ROTY. Wemby. DPOY. Gobert. Most improved. Maxey.
Sengun for MIP.
Wemby easily DPOY. Stats and on/off court metrics are league leading plus he doing it all on a minute’s restriction.
what about Steph?
The irony of listening to the pod on Spotify at the exact moment of the All-NBA discussion when I got this notification is wild
Wemby DPOY is MENTAL
They didn’t mention the best argument, which is his team’s defensive rating with him on the court vs off it (it’s massive).
@@iguacu3517 Look. I LOVE Wemby. And if the Spurs didnt tank the first 30 games of the season he couldve been an all nba player.
But they did. He sucked quite a bit for a huge stretch, and off and on numbers say that Jokic is a very good defender. He isnt. So thats not enough.
@@iguacu3517what’s the wolves defensive rating with Gobert on the court?
@@Edd-zd5wb "sucked quite a bit" is a severe overstatement. Sure, Wemby was worse than he is now. But he was already quite good.
@@nazcraz11 Well. I watched around 10 games of those first 30 (not the entire thing because they were unwatchable)... and he kind of sucked (not Sochan level of sucking of course. I already said it probably wasnt his fault)
Winning should be considered for the mvp . All nba shouldn’t mean as much tbh .
Sabonis definitely deserves a spot.
Sabonis hate on this pod really questions whether they've watched a Kings game, looked at the standings or looked at basically any stat. The Sabonis discussion should be whether he's in the first team in that 5th spot, not whether he's in at all! He's at worst the 6th man picked for an All-NBA spot for anyone who isn't biased and is watching the games.
@@lesbo37 exactly right.
How about Scoot!?😂😂
I don't understand the logic of ignoring eye-test when judging defensive player of the year. Wemby should clearly get it, thinking that he should not be rewarded right now because he will win a lot more in the future is stupid because judging by his frame it is entirely possible that he is very injured for the rest of his career. His current performance should be rewarded in this season.
Voter fatigue effects every narrative except for the one time it seems most valid with Rudy Gobert
Fully agreed. It's defensive PLAYER of the year, not defensive player on the best defensive team of the year
FACTS! 👏🏻
It's Defensive Player of the WHOLE Year. That's why Wemby won't win it this year.
Think about it. We discard MVP candidates all the time because they had a shooting slump or something. Simmons' "like a deer on ice" was unfair but it's true Wemby was completely lost at times early on.
Eye test is Anthony Davis
Booker over curry is crazy