Just How Bad is the 2024 NBA Draft? And What Should the Hawks Do? | The Bill Simmons Podcast
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- čas přidán 13. 05. 2024
- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Ryen Russillo discuss the 2024 NBA draft lottery.
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Hawks will draft a QB
Ha- great post
That's actually a great move.
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Edey
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“I don’t know that that happens, because I’ve only been a man” was delivered so perfectly 😂 thanks for the good laugh
I love this whole side conversation about headline titles 😂😂😂
Nikola Jokic was 41st. The scouts know nothing.
ok but zion ja ant paolo chet wemby brandon all went 1 and 2 so
@@razkable Jokic is leaps and bounds better than every single one of those players
It doesn’t mean they don’t know anything. It means they aren’t perfect.
Lol what jokic wasn't the player he was now not they fault they didn't know he would turn into the player he is today lottery picks are normally people who's playing very well in college going and now nee trend overseas ppl with potential
Did you see Jokic play in his draft year? There's a reason he went 41st... He was fat, lazy, played much like he does now but in Serbia. 99 times out a 100 those guys are busts.
I never understood this rush to trash a bunch of young players before they've even played a minute of professional basketball. This year's MVP was a second round pick and so were the players who finished 3rd and 5th.
These so called "elite basketball minds" passed on Nikola Jokic 40 times and Jalen Brunson 32 times. Not saying these guys will be that good but its insane to call all of them trash when they haven't played a single minute in the league.
They usually are wrong about these young men because they raved about anthony bennit and he didn't last 2 yrs
They weren’t trashing players, they were commenting on the overall projected strength of the draft.
@@estabenfew2600I love how y'all make sh!t up out of thin air. No one thought that about Anthony Bennett stop lying.
It's called projections.
I love how Russillo sneaks in the self deprecating jab at himself getting arrested, and it took Bill a second to get it
These two are great together
My favorite part of the clip lol
when Russillo says "seriously Bill..." he means business
I have 0 clue who's is this draft but I hope they can turn into hidden gems, we love those stories i.e. Giannis draft class
I never understood the point of saying a draft is weak...there is always talent available if teams know how to scout and develop properly
Tbh the draft isnt necessarily bad like theres quality role players from top to bottom later draft picks might be more valuable though
@@kingsofthenerds3695Because having the #1-3 picks is meaningless if you’re not getting a perennial allstar. 2000 is widely considered the worst draft in NBA history, but it had Kenyan Martin, Michael Redd, and Jamal Crawford. If you got one of them at #1, even in retrospect, they aren’t changing your franchise.
@@kevinc8955They mentioned how this draft is projected to have a fourth overall pick caliber player taken first overall.
Where would Kenyan Martin be taken in an average NBA draft?
@@fortynights1513 It's always a crap shoot. Besides, Michael Redd was better than Kenyon Martin.
Sarr is gonna be a good player. Not generational, just good
This podcast has a trend of undervaluing European prospects trust me this draft is not gonna be the worst of all time it might be the worst since 2020 but people also said that draft would suck and now it has tons of good players stars and role players.
Only one thing certain in any draft. Almost none of the guys in the lottery are as good as they are hyped up to be. And there will be one or two all-star talents to be found among the later picks. A good front office LOVES these kind of drafts. It is the dregs that don't know what to do with them. And yes. Odds are there is talent overseas that nobody in the USA is even aware of.
Trust this random guy instead of the well informed analysts. Okay
Some drafts really are terrible with very few players remaining in the nba. For example, Kenyon Martin was arguably the best player in his draft class.
@@tylito4764 There are no "well-informed analysts" in a crapshoot. I trust the analytics, but these only apply when you know the level of the competition.
@@illDefine1 Famous bad draft and deservedly so. But unlike this one, Martin was a highly hyped prospect.
I remember before the 2020 draft, people also said the draft class was weak and yet it still produced Anthony Edwards and Haliburton. Even the 2013 draft had Giannis and Gobert. I like how the "insiders" Russillo contacted just deflected the responsibilities to the draft class, they're obviously saving their own behinds.
Everyone also thought the 2020 draft class was weak. Now we have some of the brightest young stars from that class...ANTMAN, MAXEY, BALL, Haliburton, Bane, Vassell, Jaden McDaniels.....fringe stars like Deni Avdija, and some great role players like Isiah Joe, Payton Pritchard, Cole Anthony, Obi Toppin, Okoro, Nesmith, Josh Green, Saddiq Bey, Quickley
yep. talking heads and draft "experts" are wrong every year
@@robitaillecopeland1996 @slow_Jo Obviously there is no way for anyone to know the exact future outcomes of all these players. They are simply speaking to how weak the top of this draft is as compared to other years. This group does not project to have any players with an elite ceiling like most drafts do. They literally commented at this top of this segment about actual NBA GM's stating the they would not trade someone the level of Derrick White for the #1 pick. I'm a Celtics fan so I love White but he's at best the 3rd best player on a title team. That's crazy low value for the #1 pick especially considering the #1 pick will be on a rookie contract and D White on a pricey contract extension allowing for more cap flexibility
If we saw the college season normally, could some of those players have been drafted higher?
FACTS I POSTED SOMETHING SIMILAR
Exactly. Maxey was what, 22nd?
That Dejounte Murray trade looks terrible now. 2025 1st and a 2026 swap not to mention a 2027 1st.. That 2025 and 2026 drafts are really good as well... Looks like Wemby will have a great team to play with in the future thanks to ATL.
Don't know yet yes Cooper Flagg looks like a star bro hasn't even played a single game in College.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622fits right next to Wemby defensively already at the least
Flagg and Wemby with Pop would be ridiculous 😭
The DJ trade also allowed San Antonio to be bad enough to draft Wemby in the first place. They gave up Murray for Wemby and all those Atlanta picks. Go, Spurs, go!
The Hawks aren’t tanking, they’re adding the #1 pick to a play-in team. If the top of this draft was better, they’d be competing for a championship in 3 years.
Many of the top players in the NBA were never remotely considered for the #1 pick. Jokic, Giannis, Brunson, Shai, Sabonis, Sengun, Kawhi, Paul George, Donovan Mitchell, Jimmy Butler.
Sarr is being underrated because he’s a tall French center following directly after Wemby.
So according to the pundits, this will be a NBA draft 'recession year'. However, I've always been a believer, that in every NBA draft there's a future All Star level player that nobody can see coming.
Nobody can see coming is relevant.
I think they're using the weak narrative as an excuse for Bronny to go higher, also, Caitlin Clark took away from alot of the hype
@@nicholaschristodoulou3821makes me excited for my heat picking 15th
It's gonna be a bad draft but they're just guessing at this point.
People said 2014 would be great and was bad, and said 2020 will be bad but ended up good
@@Sam................ I don't think it's primarily because of Caitlin Clark. It's more so because of the 2023 draft class and Wemby.
Saying it’s a bad draft is a cop out for talent evaluators because they don’t wanna admit it’s a crapshoot of certain players determination and skill
Just do your research
Bill claims Trae and Murray clearly hated playing together. Those guys just did a podcast telling everyone that they enjoy playing together.
These so-called analyst don’t know shit. They prove themselves wrong every year.
Also who are the people that say they don't like playing with Trae and why? We clearly see now with all the "new media" that more than half of NBA players are kind of dumb and of low character and don't actually know ball, the NBA history or both. These backhanded comments from "nba scout" or "front office guy" are so asinine, how about names and actual reasons on the record so people could decide for themselves. And i don't even like Trae's game. lol
@@peterruskov Russillo is only saying that because of those “anonymous” players polls that come out & Trae not getting high enough votes/negative attention for his defense
@@peterruskov100% truth
Does bill have season tickets to the clippers ?
Yes he does. He's had them for a long time. I remember him talking about them in the book of basketball which is probably 15.years.old at this point
And is he a Celtics fan?
But what about Boston???? Ehhjh???
If he does he definitely doesn’t talk about it enough
He’s mentioned being a Clippers season ticket holder for about 2 decades.
Many Americans were low on Doncic, we Europeans told them they were wrong, it took a few months for them to realize.
Many Americans thought Wembanyama was comparable to Holmgren or even Bol Bol (!) and was not a sure thing, thought it was possible Scoot Anderson got picked over him. Some doubted him at the start of the season.
Many Americans still think "Euros are soft" and Jokic, Doncic, Giannis, Gobert are overrated in some way or some other.
Many Americans think their team lost several times recently on the world's stage (FIBA but also Olympic Games) because they did not send an absolute top team, not because others made progress.
Now they're doing it again. There are no US top prospects, so they say the draft will be one of the worst ever. OK, Risacher is not going to be a MVP candidate but he is a well-rounded professional guy who would make a perfect lieutenant next to a great player. I hope he's not taken first but goes to San Antonio alongside Victor, they would be perfect together. Sarr has the tools to be a great talent. Topic could also be a all-star faster than you think.
Do not think this is the 2000 NBA draft... you guys are annoying doing that.
Maybe the reason these teams that are drafting in lottery every year is bc their player evaluation is this bad lmao ,” cam johnson for number 1 pick” might be the worst eval ive ever heard in the history of basketball
Thank you!!!! No matter how "bad" the draft is no way the #1 pick gets traded for a role player.
Also Russilo is known to hate Trae. He even said the magic who are in need of a good pg, would be worse with Trae on the roster😮💨
SA isn’t giving those picks back. No way, no day.
The east is wide open, so the Hawks can easily be better than SA in the next 3 years, thus devaluing those picks
As long as wemby aint injured spurs are good @@commenton1
@@commenton1 they'll be okay but let's be honest they aren't a championship caliber team and they are also in cap space hell so they are going to be stuck with this roster and any trades they can make (not involving Trae/Murray) will be lateral moves at best. That's why those Hawks' picks are so valuable, the Spurs still having their own picks on top of those picks, they can still use all of them for trades to land better talent. I guarantee you that even now the Hawks regret making that Dejounte trade
@@Sunking210 statistically speaking, they were an above .500 team w/ one of Trae or Dejounte. DJ & Bogi ended the year well, so Hawks can trade them for better fits, keep Trae & Sarr, and be a top 8 seed in the weaker East. Those picks will be late teens at best.
@@commenton1 that's why those picks would've came in handy, what players can the Hawks get for Capela, Bogi, Hunter, etc straight up? If they still had their picks then they could've attached them to those players to upgrade their roster but as of now it's kind of hard to see how they upgrade from those players alone. And the Spurs are in a good spot cause I don't think they're gonna be that great next season so they can have their own top pick and the Hawks 1st rd pick in a very deep draft.
In a similar terrible draft, Giannis went no 15. The Spurs will draft Nikola Topic and in two years every scout watching only the NCAA for americans will look like an idiot again.
Whomever the spurs pick will make the NBA look like idiots.
Can’t shoot from 3 though. That’s a big problem
Topic has no bag. Comparing him to Jerry West is not the compliment people think it is. He wouldn't score in the NBA. I'm really confused why everyone is in love with him.
Giannis was developed. Jokic was developed. They didn't come in the league with talent but with a work ethic. The truth is, no one really knows.
@@aja3longhorn375Because he's a Balkan who can pass so everyone just sees Doncic or Jokic
The idea that there will be ZERO all stars in a draft of 60 players just doesn't make sense to me
There will be a talent that everyone misses. Maybe not as good as Giannis, Jokic etc but there is always someone!
They aren’t saying that. They are saying there are no OBVIOUS all stars. So all the pick hold less value since no one knows
@@Shortballa11 Alex Sarr is an obvious all star imo so is Dillingham and Sheppard.
@@emilfrederiksen.1622 ima trust the expert over you no offense. This is a role player draft and some random will become the star
@@emilfrederiksen.1622 Guy who averages 10 ppg in a low tier league like australia is an obvo all star? Right
This type of draft is when organization’s know whether or not their scouts deserve their jobs. This is now about scouting for raw talent, potential, and character. Other than probably the Nuggets, OKC, and few other teams, a majority of the leagues scouting departments are lazy with regard to scouting or highlight watching.
you are saying that with no evidence whatsoever. How do you know what each team's scouting department is like? You're just making stuff up now
Well probably because almost every drafted player of those organizations turns out to be at worst a solid nba player. Look at the okc roster, multiple 2nd round picks logging playoff minutes and major steals like JDub and Wallace. Nuggets got Jokic, MPJ as steals, developed Murray the right way and they have 2nd rounder rotation players.
Its also about developing, trusting and putting your young players in the right postion, that is where a lot of the NBA teams fail. I would throw in the heat, grizzlies, spurs and pelicans for excellent scouting and developing teams.
As opposed to all then rest of the drafts?
Just find guys who can help you win. Even in good drafts that’s hard to do.
Never judge the draft this early.
Ehh true but at the same time it’s very glaring from the media coverage alone that they don’t have a generational talent to overhype and compare to Lebron or Jordan lmao
I believe there will be two or three surprises in this draft as far as star players down the road. Risacher will be incredible! More players will be better than most people think.
If anything this is the most interesting draft to make comp's, it's actually interesting to get perspective on these guys
Sarr reminds me a lot of Evan Mobley. Similar size, defense first prospect that has intriguing skills on offense.
what are these intriguing skills you see? lol
@fabfreebird1 he's not Wemby or Chet obviously, but he's shown upside flashes. At worst, he's an elite lob threat and rim runner. His shot doesn't look broken by any means, and he's comfortable handling it in the open court. He's also shown some flashes hitting cutters.
@@knep24 Yeah Sarr is easily the no.1 pick in this draft, the only way I could see him not be no.1 was if the Pistons or Spurs went first
Pistons would probably draft Risacher, Spurs have a chance to draft either Topic or Dillingham instead
Love it guys great show wish it was longer
I think the entire podcast is available. At the ringer or at Spotify or antenna pod, Apple podcast or whatever
There are all-stars in every draft. Let's be serious, here. One of the last times someone called a draft terrible Giannis came out of it. Is it bad because there is no one guy everyone presumes will be a star? Maybe. But odds are there will be some VERY good players from this draft, there always are.
The #1 pick was traded in 2014 which was andre wiggins to timbs.. where does bill get his stats?
He was drafted first to the Cavs then got traded. he was still selected by the Cavs not the Timberwolves and it’s Andrew Wiggins
Hawks won't have the choice of elite #1 prospects such as Zion, Andrew Wiggins, Ben Simmons, Markelle Fultz, Ayton, etc.
A very good point
They're taking Sarr no matter what
Well those would be better than anything they've had in recent memory. A top five guy, a guy who for 4 weeks was the 2nd best player in the league when it mattered, an elite 2way force, elite prospect, and a versatile big; problem is they're all headcases of varying type. Meanwhile Hawks have Trae when they should have Luca.
is zion supposed to be a bust? lmao and nobody thought ben simmons’ career was gonna go like this after his 3rd year (all nba 3rd team, 1st team all defense, allstar, etc)
And none of the above have done squat.
Hawks, Lakers, Suns or Lakers, Suns, Hornets work though you are trading stars to suit the situation that either suits the players or the team. They are wild though they work thanks to trade machines.
Brunson - Divencenzo - Bridges - Anunoby - Hartenstein would be a sick lineup.
Never liked players having to be interviewed after getting drafted, agree with Bill
Oh, I can already hear the question.
Interviewer: What does this mean to you?
Player: Means a lot.
Repeat 30 times.
As a Lakers fan it's frustrating that the clueless front office thinks the 17th pick in THIS draft is worth something. They are so clueless.
How do you know the 17th pick is worthless? So you honestly think that every pick in this draft is going to amount to nothing? These youngsters are like 18, 19 and maybe 22. So you are 100% certain that they won't improve?
Lakers don't care about draft picks because all stars and role players play for them anyway
as much as i hate the lakers - drafting is the only thing they got right in the last years
@@denigster the problem is they trade away all the promising draft picks
The monthly every small market team should trade it's best player to a large market conversation.
My team gets the #1 picking in an upset but gets a trash draft
Imagine making hundreds of thousands of dollars per year to cover sports and you can't take a few minutes to watch some videos online to get an idea of the prospects in the NBA draft. Alexander Sarr is a 7-1 guy with a 7-5 wingspan who can move. He's a good defender now and is projected as a bigger Jaren Jackson Jr. That guy is going top 3 in most drafts.
The Hawks should keep the pick, keep Young and DJ, and trade Capella. They just need a little defense to get a top 6 seed. If Sarr develops offensively then you have a superstar.
Sarr isn't Wemby but he's a #1 overall guy on potential.
Truly, an upside down world
Just fat cats being fat and lazy, and doing fat cat things...
The media called the 2020 nba draft bad also
True
yep
This draft is like picking randomly from a deck of cards where Aces are future all-stars and Kings and Queens are solid role players. It's better to be in a position like the Spurs and Blazers who each have two lottery picks than to have a pick in the top three. It increases their odds of finding someone who turns out to be good in the future.
I was thinking same. Blazer fan here. 7 and 14 might pan out.
3 years from now there will be a few studs from this class that everyone thought was sooo weak just like the 2013 class and how everyone said the 2020 class was weak
Russillo landing the plane on the Julie Ertz story had me clapping in my car
the ringer headlines change constantly.
They don’t really need Sheppard but they should trade the pick to another team that really needs a PG
Poeltl trade was batsht crazy
So this draft is all-time bad and next year's draft has potential to be great but the Raptors made out WORSE by conveying the 8th pick THIS DRAFT and now controlling all their future picks, including next hears 1st. Odd take Bill
NBA analysts also said that the Anthony Edwards draft was a weak draft and the Anthony Davis draft was a weak draft..... You can check the old youtube videos in 2020
To be fair other than Anthony Edwards, can't think of anyone else from that draft that is a superstar material
@@karlanthonymargate7362 A great draft doesn’t require multiple superstars. Those are few and far in between. Maxey, Haliburton, Bane, McDaniels, Quickley, Toppin, Avdija, LaMelo Ball. That draft class is crazy.
@The0Gene that would depend though on where you are picking. If your at the top 5, top heavy draft with a few great players is considered a good draft...if you're drafting at 13, a draft with congress player but a lot of good players is a good draft.
What about Andrew Wiggins & Jonathan Kuminga (Golden State Warriors) for the #1 Pick in the Draft from Atlanta Hawks?
This is good. I think both gm's take the call on this one.
Ryen and his tangents 🤣🤣🤣
All these GM who texted you back should be fired. There's no clear consensus on the draft order so they're scared like sheeps. They actually have to do their homeworks and they don't know how. "How can I choose my pick if I can't trust ESPN ?" they thought.
Alex Sarr would be a top 5 in any draft from past 10 years. The Thompson's twins went 4th and 5th and they can't shoot. Anthony Black is no where to seen and went 6th.
There's no top 3 potential franchise player, yes, but that draft doesn't start at 8th or 10th. They're incompetent. And they're cowards.
that's a bingo
I wouldn’t put it past him lying about it and only being motivated to day it because the Hawks got it.
There are all stars in every draft multiple they just have to trust there scouting and get the right guy
Scouts actually have to do there job .. ? Wow tuff draft
I don't think this is a weak draft, I also don't think it's going to have a superstar especially maybe possibility Alex Sarr who I believe will go to the hawks with the 1st pick, and I think there will be a hidden gem or two in this draft, that hardly anyone is talking about Tidjuane Salaun possibility, or I like Tristan Da Silva out of Colorado , who I think the Bulls should select at 11, over what mock drafts have them taking Isaiah Collier when they've already have got Coby White, Ayo Dosumnu, Lonzo Ball if he's ready to play again, Alex Caruso possibility, they need a forward to me, or a backup big. I think Sarr with Trae and Murray would be interesting, I think the Hawks will go from 25th to around 15th defensively within the first year,
Sheppard looks like the real deal. Scouting reports reading “not that athletic” when he had a top 5 very is hilarious. “He does have sneaky athleticism though” 😂😂😂
The only players the hawks should consider trading is CC Bogdan or AJ, CC and Bogdan definitely
Trae and Dejounte literally did an interview a day ago talking about how much they enjoy playing together. John Collins and Kevin Heurter have been mid since leaving Trae and both were in trade rumors last season. These two idiots need better sources.
Absolutely NO to Young in Orlando!
Every front office person down-plays the draft, obviously.
Why would anyone reveal their true thoughts ahead of any potential negotiations? The narrative put out there about this draft being weak started months ago - it's exactly what teams outside of top 3-4 picks wants you to believe.
I've seen recent stories about Durant trade scenarios that didn't use his name in the headline..referred to him as an all-star or by his contract amount
It’s so tough to have you guys comment on the draft when you don’t watch a minute of college basketball. Lots of these guys can help NBA teams right now. A few of them are going to be All Stars.
In a game that featured carmelo and lebron’s 2025 sons a kid (brayden burries) who is a 6’5 4 star guard just like bryce had 40 points and wasnt mentioned but bryce ( 8 points ) and kiyan (17 points ) were because of the name attached.
Great way to end the clip lol
Sarr, Topic and Knecht look interesting. For sure there will be all stars coming from this draft
That's great news for Blazers trading with the Hawks though!
They got a whole bunch of 4th/5th guys to unload for Sarr.
Maybe if media pundits start talking and showing us who in draft instead of talking about Bronny every two seconds,oh I get it since Bronny stinks every body else does too🤷🏾♂️
Bill morphing into nick dipaolo 😂
Haha yeah those press headlines !!!! Haha that’s crazy. The stars they talk about you never heard of. It’s crazy.
As an Atlanta fan, the Hawks will just run it back with Trae and Sarr
I believe the other reason with the headline titles is to bring traffic to the site.
Hey Ryen with an E has all the info!
There'll be very good players in this draft. All stars. History..
Nobody can predict the future. That alone should be more concerning. I’d be looking to buy low here
The whole "250 mln player doesn't go to Lakers" headline is written like this because the writers of the piece knew they had exactly enough content for a headline and nobody would click on the article if they put it all there.
“We wouldn’t have been able to go 29-53 without him” 😂😂
Thats what everyone said about the 2013 draft.... and they were kinda right. Anthony Bennett was a bust. But lurking in the middle of the draft was Giannis. Who's gonna be this year's Giannis and who's gonna be this year's Antony Bennett?
Bizarro Mt Rushmore! :)
“Bad Drafts” are good. Do some scouting find a Diamond in the rough. This draft will have more players that end up better later in the draft than earlier.
A rare hawks fan here! Bill giving us a segment is a highlight for our season
We don’t need these 2 losers talking about us
Same
We don't give a fuck about what bill has to say, and he's wrong 95% percent of the time about us. it's cool to have the Hawks name in the national spotlight, but If you're a Hawks fan consistently listening to him for Hawks info your not in the right places.
@@Yuri_The_Eurothese are facts. Their mind is already made up that the hawks will fail no matter what they do.
"I heard this draft will be bad"..yet no work done on your part is a joke.
There have been no less then 3 Allstars in every draft since the 70s.
A couple of these teams are going to get lucky. A few of these players are going to be impactful. Just my opinion
What year is cooper flag coming out
Magic Johnson was kinda traded.
I don't understand the old free agency situation but new Orleans had to give up some firsts to sign gail Goodrich and one of those picks was magic Johnson (according to bball ref)
Media personality Ryen Russiello learns marketing 101
Media says this every year when there isn’t a clear number 1
Also 1986 Sixers Cavs
Masai Ujiri bidding against himself with that Poeltl for top 6 protected 1st rounder...what a disaster of a trade
Bill saying Bridges to Knocks just because the Villanova connection
Sarr is the obvious pick at #1
Have you seen his numbers? Compare them to clingon's numbers
Guys grow. If the Hawks keep the guards and current team in place the number one pick could succeed
100k Automotive painter likely to watch and comment on @BillSimmons podfather cast!
Is it possible to trade this years #1 for the lakers future first and one of this years? They got that trade exception and would probably be ok without Murray or young. There is a way for them to avoid this pick and get one for next years draft.
I’ve come up with a 3 team trade idea that I love for this draft, mostly because I’d love to see Wemby paired up with Sarr for a hyper athletic, twin towers defense. The trade is:
Spurs get:
Trae Young
#1 pick
Hawks get:
#2 pick
#8 pick
‘25 ATL pick
‘27 ATL pick
Zack Collins
Devonte Graham
Wizards get:
#4 pick
‘30 DAL pick or ‘25 CHI pick
Sidy Cissoko
Might be up there with the 2000 draft.
Who are some of the names?
Jokic, Giannis, Steph Curry, Brunson, Butler, Kawhi, SGA, Maxey.......... .... All 7th and above...
Won't be happening this year
@@Shawnpimpin601you never know.
Bill should make a draft to draft the worst drafts in the past 20 years of drafts.
I honestly remember when they brought up Mia Hamm, Nomar garciaparra names same level. Which this is fair.
To Russilos point about fame and headline. When there was a shooting at Drakes house the headline was “Shooting at Drakes mansion. Victim: Not Drake”
This is the kinda of draft a future all star will probably be drafted late