Karolina: *eloquent, long-winded explanation on how people used fashion trends to fit in socially back in the day* Also Karolina: "you were basicalLY *a hOe"*
The Victorians loved vintage clothes...for costume parties. Apparently it is really difficult to find unaltered 18th century gowns, because the Victorians had a habit of making historically inaccurate Marie Antoinette costumes out of them.
The thing that i hate about me being "fashionable" is that every time my family asks me the same things, "where are you going?" Or "why are you dressed like that?" "Is there a party somewhere?" Or "dressing up like that, what are trying to do? Look rich or something??" And I'm like?? maybe because i just simply want to??
This has the same energy as “why are you wearing a dress and why is your hair made up? Are you trying to impress some man?” ??no?? I just feel nice doing it?
This is why I hate when people (who usually have no historical knowledge) start complaining about how people today don’t “respect themselves” or “take care of themselves”. People historically did not dress the way they did because they just loved setting their hair for hours. They literally had to dress like everyone else or they would be social outcasts. Who cares if someone today is wearing jeans? We have the ability to dress the way we want to now and can choose if we want to look more “glamorous” some days and not others. Sure I’d like to wear authentic Victorian gowns daily without getting weird looks, but nothing is stopping me from actually doing so if I wanted to
@@ahhh4117 lol I’m not trying to sound like I’m calling it out (I literally spend hours and hundreds of dollars on my hair). I’m just saying not everyone wants to, and people deserve to dress themselves how they want to without being shamed because of it. I think it’s just another way to hate on “kids these days”
When I think about the way people take care of/respect themselves today, I'm usually comparing it to 40-80 years ago. In the last 100 years there has been an extremely rapid degeneration in people's self-respect. I'm not talking about jeans or t-shirts either, I'm taking about walking around without pants on, in stained clothing. I believe fast fashion and predatory marketing has a lot to do with it. Clothing is not geared towards utility or durability anymore, it's all about how cheap the slaves can make it, and how they can trick people into buying it. Even hoboes in the 30s wore suits. People now seem to believe that being comfortable walking around naked is the pinnacle of self respect, and caring nothing for their health is self-love.
@@farkleberry867 Fast fashion has definitely impacted the quality of clothes. But if you are actively seeing people walk around without pants and in stained clothes, it is more of a mental health and socioeconomic concern than "self respect". Only influencers and celebrities are into being naked in the public eye - everyday people do not unless there is a bigger issue at hand. Homeless men in the 30s wore suits because that was all they had, and the only reason why they were homeless was because of the Depression. I think people care more about their health today than in the past. Yes obesity is on the rise (looking at socioeconomic patterns again), but on the other side, exercise and healthy eating is definitely more popular today than it has been in the past (especially when you look at women's exercise - historically women's exercise has been a joke).
My daughter has started 7th grade and has started caring about what her "style"is. She is a legging and spiderman tshirt girl moving toward some 80's vibe (thanks Stranger Things). Being away from in-person school and the judgements has been freeing in a way. I hope she is brave enough to dress how she wants and not feel she has to blend in.
I'm in 8th grade as well (Started in September) and she has nothing to worry about. I'm English and we wear uniform at school, but outside school no one really seems to mind what you wear, not even the 'popular' kids you're not friends with. My parents don't really get any new clothes for me, I still wear old clothes which are all basically just block colour t shirts and jumpers, but I've ever got any negative reactions or judgements for not wearing 'uncool' clothing. Best of luck to her. xx
My daughter is also 13 and now caring about “her style”. But it’s easy enough for me, given that her style is early 90s grunge. So basically boots with ripped jeans, and oversized shirts, hoodies and flannels. Sometimes a sort of fitted T-shirt, but only if she can put an oversized flannel on top of it. So I have her some of my shirts, hoodies and flannels, and she was very happy with that. The only issue is that she will steal my brother’s shirts (he’s my carer and lives with us), even though she is a five foot nothing teen girl (if that, I’d be surprised if she’s hit five foot yet), and he’s a 6 foot 2 adult man, who is built pretty large - he wears a 3X in adult men’s sizes. And yet, she still steals his band shirts, because they’re big AND they’re band shirts, which makes them the best thing ever. At least she’s well educated on the music of the band shirts that she steals? We’re a big rock family, and she’s grown up with Led Zeppelin and Queen and AC/DC. So at least she isn’t that teen girl wearing a band shirt because it looks cool, without being able to name a single song.
She may start to roll her eyes when you compliment her new looks, but definitely still do it. (: I remember being a very funky middle schooler and always secretly loved that my mom thought I looked cool (though you’d never dig that out of 13 year old me)
An example of how fashion used to be viewed can be found in "A Girl of the Limberlost" by Gene Stratton Porter. It was written in the late Edwardian era. In the book, the protagonist Elnora goes to high school for the first time, and suffers severe social rejection because of how she is dressed. Her uncle then sets out to make sure she has the proper clothes, which then allows her to challenge the assumptions everyone made about her. Later, Elnora ponders on whether or not getting the new clothes was really a good idea, because she would rather be judged for the content of her character than for how she dresses. Her new friend says that the other students would have seen her for who she was eventually, but that this slow process wouldn't have been worth the mental and emotional stress. Elnora agrees with her assessment, and decides not to worry about it. Another example is from "The Women in White" by Wilkie Collins. It was published in 1859. In the beginning of the book, a young women is on the run and gets lost. She hears someone on the road, and decides to hide and see how they are dressed in order to get some idea of their character. Apparently her test was a good one because the guy she decides to approach is an all round wholesome fellow. I think it's hard for us modern folks to realize how different the culture was back then. Modern culture tends to focus on the idea that there's no such thing as the "right" kind of person. Victorians, on the other hand, had a very definite idea of what the "right" kind of person was like. Both ideologies have their draw backs, but that's not really the point of my comment. I agree Karolina. We too often apply modern judgement on people who lived in a very different cultural environment.
very interesting references. this made me thing of the expression “a wolf in sheep’s clothing”. though not necessarily a reflection of someone’s social status, it does show that there was the realization that clothing didn’t always reflect a person’s character.
Which is immediately followed by the modern mind rationalizing why our society could still somehow be "progressive" in comparison, usually by pretending we are somehow morally superior to them because *"They were racist/sexist/homophobic etc."* Failing that there is always the technological argument. *"They didn't even have internet porn back then!"*
You aren't being fashionable by Karolina's description of old fashion, and I would argue what still is fashion. You aren't fitting in, so you get called out. I would also argue that we are more progressive because all that gets you are annoying comments by family and not ostracization as in ye old times.
@@tiamatmichellehart6821 Yes, I hate that! Not all the people from the past were racist/homophobic/sexist if they all were then our world today would be WAY LESS progressive and those issues would still be as bad as they once were. There existed a lot of noble and good people back then too and it's because of them that our world is slowly trying to leave behind those dark ages, because back then there were also people who fought for the rights and wellbeing of others.
My husbands grandpa likes westerns and they're always surprised how I can guess the year it was made pretty accurately even without knowing the movies. Its easy, by that dress and that hair that lady is very obviously from the late 50s just pretending to be old west haha! Period dramas almost always are drawn on what is popular now and how that can work with how things kind of looked back then. Same thing with other fashion, until recently people didn't generally try to exactly mimic the past in daily dress. I blame the internet, makes research accessible to everyone
Me, coming from Hamburg and arriving in Paris: hi My friend from Paris: bro, you can't wear this. You literally can not wear this here, people will think I'm walking around with a peasant oh my god
Tbf that kinda applies today. People in Hamburg (or any other ‚bigger‘ German city for that matter) dress differently than someone deine a more rural area even within the same country.
It's nice to hear someone other than my group of American friends and family use the term "boobage". I suddenly feel so much classier. I can say "it's a European term" now if asked. 😘
I would love to hear more of your opinions on “recycled” trends post 70s. Like the 70s does prairie, 80’s does 40’s, 90s does 70s.. I’ve heard a few different theories on why this happens with such strong influence but I would love to hear your thoughts.
And currently its a really weird mash up of 70s, 90s, and the leg of mutton sleeves from the late 1890s for some reason. Not quite sure why that is back in, but it is. Its making me wish that shirts worked with my boobage because they'd work really well for a historically inspired outfit.
@@AlexaFaie I see the 60s a lot too in fashion today also but totally agree with you. I personally like to pick the silhouettes here and there throughout the decades that are most flattering to my proportions/body type, and there are some things from the past that are so timeless
@@AlexaFaie i think today's fashion is a mix of everything from the last 50 years! god help us all but y2k is coming back (i don't mind, i just want access to high-waisted jeans)
I think the main thing is that our relationship to what being fashionable means changed. It used to mean being proper and well put together, being acceptable. Since the 60s that view of being fashionable has been changing. It's not completely gone yet, we as a society still consider certain styles more acceptable than others and there is still a similar kind of pressure to look acceptable, especially as a woman, but it's a little different. In many ways it's less strict, but it's also more complicated. Instead of following a set of instructions on how to dress, there is both a pressure to fit in and to stand out. As a society we seem to value people showing their personality and individuality in the way they dress, but only to a certain point where it still partly conforms to societal norms. You don't want to be perceived as boring, but you don't want to seem weird either. We have more freedoms in how we dress today and cultural views on the importance of dressing "well", whatever that means in any given time and place, have shifted, but how people perceive you based on how you look sadly still has a huge influence on how well they treat you. I went off on a little tangent there... So, yeah.
Great observation. "Being yourself" is ok, as long as that doesn't upset the "establishment". Many historical fashion CZcamsrs I follow mention how they get weird looks in public. Not so different from previous times!
I find it so intresting how for HUNDREDS of years we basically had the same silhouette in Europe Chemise, structured undergarment, petticoat, floor length skirt / blouse or floor length dress, And now we just have sooooooo many styles yet they are all basically one layer compared to multiple layers of the past
There was a great variety of silhouettes throughout a European history (and there was a great number of different cuts), it's just the structure (by "structure" mean a defined number of layers) that was nearly the same for a really long time (though there always were some exceptions, that were mainly caused by geographical position).
Anastasia Ludwika yup you are right I wasn’t sure of the word but it’s the construction / structure of the garments that relatively the same but the silhouette changed :)
I think air conditioning had something to do with it. Before it was invented and put everywhere, people sweat a TON and needed somewhere to put it all without being smelly so wearing 4+ layers of clothing no matter the temperature made sense. After air-conditioning and deodorant became more widespread you can see that fashions quickly went thinner and into one layer more easily.
@@6thgraderfriends but people had perfumes to hide the odours for centuries, and there always were linen fabrics, fine linen for summer (saw a video on yt, a lady wore a yellow 19th c. dress in a sunny day and said it wasn't any more hot than modern clothes). if I remember it correctly women's clothes changed significantly after ww1 by ditching corset for something less restricting. so chemise+corset+corset cover were replased with 1 layer
Cavewomen Poland 200000 BCE: Ugh can you believe she is wearing those Sabertooth Tiger skins with that set of bear claws? Why can't her tribe be fashionable and wear Mammoth like the rest of us. I may have been in quarantine too long.
@@jacobjacquin yeah but that was nothing compared to louise telling jebediah that she saw mary at the devil's meeting, like louise, what were YOU doing at the devil's meeting? mary was just having some cider with the devil's wife and you were trying to talk him up, like how disrespectful.
idk why but i REALLY like this new type of color scheme, it's very yellowy and warm and honestly, with winter coming up, that's really nice to see edit: wow i just said "idk why i ______ " _and then explained exactly why_ i _____
"Be fashionable, but not TOO fashionable. Don't care too much about how you look, but look like you care a LOT" - someone somewhere probably Some things never change.
I watched a french short documentary from the late 1960s and those two teenagers were saying they liked to dress mid-1920s during the weekend. I found that so interesting!
I love that she made one random throwaway comment and suddenly everyone is a stan for Deborah, ready to watch a mini-series about her on Netflix and totally here to fight for Deborah's rights to be fashionable in other countries without being shamed for it lmao.
I lived with my grandma for 2 years while I went to school near her and she taught me a lot on how to care for clothes, she did call me wrinkle queen bc she ironed everything and I didn't. Also one time I worse blue and green and she rhymed " blue and green should never be seen unless there is another colour inbetween." aparently it was a common rhyme for pairing clothing once.
"Blue and green should never be seen" is something I've heard time and again :) That and not to pair white with red. This applies to clothing, flowers, etc and means "Blood & Bandages". Interesting how we have these rituals, isn't it? Xx
😍 omg, I love your grandma. I try to follow all those colour rules too (if I can afford it). I think one of the biggest reasons why the "there are no rules" mindset is so prevalent nowadays is because people just can't afford to dress "properly"/for each occasion anymore.
Speaking of derogatory terms, in Spain there used to be one for young men who were excessively into fashion: "lechuguino" (literally means "little lettuce" 😂😂😂😂). But certainly there were many more for women-and way more offensive. Sad.
There are a whole bunch of colorful (and slightly derogatory) names in English for an “overly fashionable” man, 😅 most of which are from the 1800s or earlier. These include: Fop, Coxcomb, Gussie, Tulip, Macaroni, Peacock, clotheshorse, Fribble, and popinjay. I’m sure there are more. 😂
Y yo que pensaba que un lechuguino era... no sé, un idiota sinsangre. De esos burros que viven con la cabeza en las nubes. Bueno es aprender lo que significa en realidad.
I have a question, how much 'historical' is a straight cut bangs (or fringe, grzywka, whatever)? Becouse film makers like to give that hairstyle to actresses a lot, but isn't it a more modern thing (khe khe, Elizabeth Bennet)? Edit: Yeah I guess I should phrased my question more like 'why do they give european characters those bangs and is it somewhat historically possible'
That's a good question, I wondered that too. In Japan if I remember correctly, straight cut bangs with long hair is called 'hime (princess) cut', so it probably depends on many factors like the country whether it's historically accurate.
@@nekochadechu I've seen older photos of Japanese children with blunt bangs so maybe it was a childish hairstyle that was adopted by adults? In the West I think it was a thing for men in the middle ages and then wasn't a thing for women until the 1920s.
Fashionable people Regency people n general cut their hair short with fringes, bangs , because they were emulating the french aristocracy who had their hair cut short prior to have their heads lopped off.
I recall reading somewhere that old-money young ladies of the late 19th-century would purchase their trousseaus in Paris and then wait one year to wear the clothes because it was considered vulgar to be "too" au courant. Only the nouveau riche wore the very "latest" fashions.
"If a wardrobe malfunction could ruin your life-" I mean, let's not pretend this still doesn't happen. Janet Jackson's career was never the same after the wardrobe malfunction at the Superbowl.
@@CarrotConsumer If a person walks down the street and their skirt drops down revealing panties (or no panties!) you can still be sure everybody and their mother knows about it.
Did Karolina talk about Kirsten's bangs being inaccurate but it was probably because they used the same template with all the dolls? (The three original dolls all had bangs.) Or did I just think Karolina mentioned this but I actually think my own thoughts in Karolina's voice?
The rules back then seemed pretty close to today's. Look good, but make it look effortless. Wear what everyone else is wearing, but make it look unique. Like everyone who wears Nike and Adidas
Spending so much time in lockdown, I've been re-thinking my look. I recently lost nearly 100 pounds and have been trying to consider what my look should be now that I no longer feel the need to conceal everything. I kind of like the 1950's - 60's feel. It just seems so feminine and classy. Anyone else thinking about considering other fashion eras as their every day look?
I feel that silhouette is very flattering on many. I bet you'd look amazing in it. A nice midi skirt with a simple top, maybe a colorful neck ribbon and a hair accessory. Go for it! History bounding is always a good starting point when experimenting style. (*•̀ᴗ•́*)و ̑̑がんばれー
I read a novel set in the 17th c- the grandma dressed like the rest of the female characters, but she stubbornly kept to her later 16th c hairstyle - I assume that was a strong possibility throughout history. Like in ‘Death on the Nile’ had Bette Davis in more Edwardian-esq styles, in contrast to the more modern younger characters. I imagine the reality of one’s financial state would be a strong influence on their ability to ‘keep up’ with fashion. Several years ago- I think it was a small online museum- & there was one image I was drawn to- I clicked on it for a better view, it was clearly an Edwardian-looking teadress; it had long sleeves & a high collar... but the sleeves looked somewhat narrower than I expected- the skirt, too was narrow- & looked to be waay too short... & the belt looked too late for it... But... when I read the info with it; the dress was indeed Edwardian- but it was altered in the Depression... hence the 20’s-looking rhinestone decorated belt - I guess even well-to-do wouldn’t want to be spending too much money on clothes, at that time...
In the 1970s, my mother tried to get me to wear slacks and blouses to school when the other girls were wearing jeans, bell bottom Dittos with Lacoste polos or strappy tops. Mom told me I should make my own fashion. It took me decades to understand that, and I finally get it. You got it early and explained it wonderfully. ❤️
I appreciate you talking about the historical connotations of "fashionable." It is enlightening to look at the history of fashion with this context! I myself strive to be thoroughly and completely unfashionable in any sense of the term: I'll wear what I want when I want!
So I guess today we see fashion as an expression of who we are as individuals, how we are separate from the crowd, but in history it was the opposite. People are people and might have had certain things they preferred, but overall they wanted to show they were worthy of society.
Could you imagine being back in a time where your sleeves could point out how fashionable you were😂 I am happy if I can find comfy yet flattering clothes! 😍❤️
I do feel there is the same devide nowadays in certain circles. Many rich people want to look and feel different than the rest and to destinguish among themselves as well to a degree. The richer you are, the more exclusive fashion you can afford to buy. It exists
I think it goes further than that. To get a good job you have to dress the part, but to be able to afford to dress the part you need the kind of money that you would make in that job, so the process is already geared towards hiring people who could afford better clothes (and better schools) without thinking about the price.
I live in one of the three wealthiest counties in the US. What the rich wear: super-casual athletic clothes and jeans, they try to disappear, not stand out.
My mother remembers cutting and inlaying fabric in her jeans as trends changed, so when trumpet pants became modern, she had flower print triangles in her jeans, of which she had few.
me: why would I want to hear a rant about fashionability, this seems boring me, eleven minutes later: wait the video's over already? dammit i wanted more
I think the “proper fashion” still exists very heavily: there are dress codes for work, gym or even swimming hall. I know what kind of clothes I’m expected to wear but they are usually very dull and uncomfortable. I like bright colors and technical fabrics. What I hate is: the white cotton collared shirt, black or navy strait pants, black or navy blazer, leather jacket, blue jeans, white t-shirt, handbags... you see all the “essentials”.
I'm curious to know where you live. In Anglophone North America (ANA) my experience seems to be the exact opposite: people are expected/allowed to wear athleisure (I include leggings and skinny pants in that) everywhere. There is no dress code anymore. You can wear athleisure to work, to the gym, to go grocery shopping, etc. It keeps getting harder and harder for me to even find straight leg pants (to buy) anywhere. Additionally, there is a plethora of influencers promoting the "wear what you want" and "down with the fashion rules". So I honestly don't see any dress codes present in ANA culture.
@@MairaBay I live in Europe. While one can go as a customer to a shop in gym clothes, one would not be allowed to work in them (unless working in IT). Especially in the traditional business areas like e.g. law, banking or government job you would still have to follow the code.
@@MairaBay I would disagree to an extent. Maybe it depends on the city, but when I worked in an office job a couple years ago there was definitely a dress code (business casual - no athleisure except when using the office gym, no shorts except on Fridays if you paid the shorts fee, no flip flops or 'distracting' hair.) Even the non-office jobs I've worked that don't technically have a dress code aside from uniform shirts still have recommendations including "don't wear leggings as pants." Outside of work, though, you can definitely do whatever you want as long as you're wearing all the bits that qualify you as legally decent.
Karolina: People were trying to fit in. Me: screw that why shouldn't they be allowed to wear the kind of clothes they liked best even if it didn't fit in with the "look". Karolina: the tiniest spot on your reputation could ruin you and not wearing the clothes that were accepted at the time would make everyone else think all this bad stuff about you. Me: wow fitting in is so cool, it's my new favourite thing!
It's interesting because it seems like people have always thought that their own times were unprecedented. In the Dutch late 16th century, peasant dress was thought of as being true to the locale while the fashions of urban dwellers were criticized for changing so fast, as they always chased the latest trends from France. Renaissance Florentine men, the sons of patriarchs and wealthy merchants, were also criticized for being obsessed with the new French fashions and were even accused of undermining their own masculinity with these new frills. Moralists in every age seemed to believe that the trends and consumerism of their own age were the most ultimately destructive. One of my favourite Renaissance fashion stories tho is that of Galeazzo Maria Sforza (like most Milanese men of his time, obsessed w fashion and appearances) who was told repeatedly that there were threats against his life (there were a bunch of bad omens too) but he refused to wear his armour into the church because he thought it made him look too fat. Men of course, have insecurities too. Anyways he promptly got stabbed and now we call him a fashion martyr. (I'm not a fashion historian but I study Renaissance art and have come across a fair bit of writing on the fashion of the time) This was a really cool video! Per usual!
This reminds me of this pair of paintings of father and son, from Amsterdam 1642. art-in-space.blogspot.com/2016/08/bartholomeus-van-der-helst-portrait-of.html The son's clothes are so different from the fathers. The dad looks stern, conservative, a proper starched protestant successful businessman. The son is wearing colorful, new-fashion, effeminate clothes and has that pouty look of a wastrel. Someone born wealthy who didn't want to work hard but just wanted to party and gamble and eat pastries. I can imagine the father seeing the son going out and just shaking his head. "You going out dressed like that? Your mother spoiled you!"
You have such interesting topics. I never thought before how fashion was for the older ladies and worked its way down the scale. Now younger people have the trends older ladies want to join in with.
oh yes. Alot of the regalias you see at pow wows or pictures of pow wows of the traditional dancers of Native American pow wows were/are everyday clothing. Women wore those regalias everyday, most had different regalias. Plus, alot of the old, curtis photos you see of the Natives at the time, they actually had their own style. Its written that during raids of other tribes or of a settlement a person from the raid would find something they liked and bring it back, decorated it however they like it and it was theirs. Im my tribe, we dont have a specific style like plateau indians do or great plains (Our thing was having the whitest buckskin there is and having fringe... long and lots of fringe) Our thought on designs, style was whatever your spirit told you (I believe our 'spirit' is your subconscious, your gut feeling) If you found a certain color pattern beautiful it was yours. I think its cool that my tribe (not sure if others did the same) taught that whatever your dreams, spiritual guardian told you or showed you, even what you liked, that became yours and you could have that style.
This was extremely fascinating! I never thought about where the concept of being "fashionable" came from and it makes the critiques I've seen of period movies/tv shows make so much more sense. I don't know much about fashion history, as I've only recently gained interest in it, but I didn't know that about the 60s but that makes a lot of sense too! Thanks for the entertaining history lesson Karolina! I love adding to my knowledge library.
Teddy girls and Teddy boys wearing Edwardian clothes in the 1950's would probably be one of the first vintage clothing movements. But it was a subculture, not happening across mainstream fashion.
You’re reading Edith Wharton’s Age of Innocence!! One of my favorite books heckkk yeah :D Re: history of vintage clothing. There was a counterculture trend in the 1950s in England where poor young men dressed in Edwardian style - they were called Teddy Boys and if I recall correctly, there were some establishments that completely prevented boys wearing Edwardian costume from entering! Definitely backs up your point about wearing “weird” clothes being looked down upon prior to the 1960s/70s. Also thank you for pointing out that in the Victorian Era, fashion was about fitting in and conformity, and that working class folks wore clothes of a similar silhouette to the rich! With all the changing silhouettes of the 19th century, it always irks me a little when I see a poor person dressed in anachronistic clothes because “that’s what poor people looked like.” Not that hard to change a silhouette with a little sewing skill and creativity. In fact, I change the silhouette of my long mid 2010s blouses when I tuck them into my vintage 80s high-waisted jeans to get that 2020 look :) Enlightening and entertaining video as always!
Have you read Anne of Green Gables? How do you think Marilla's attitude, about being against the latest fashion fads and wanting Anne to wear plain simple clothes, fits in with what you said about being fashionable being considered the proper thing to do?
Regional fashions and trends have always been fascinating and the idea of keeping regional fashion seems to be making a resurgence like the rise in “street” fashion becoming more and more trendy
This is super helpful for me as an author/illustrator! I definitely didn’t understand the different meaning of fashion and wrote inaccurate character choices based on that. Thanks for explaining this clearly!
Thank you for your videos. I have greatly enjoyed learning so much!! Not only are you so informative, but you deliver the information in such a relatable, personable clear style. Thank you!!
“And your hot fit wouldn’t be that hot anymore” me the minute I step out of my house
Me when I step outside in a Justacorp.
@@semi-useful5178 relatable must say
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It’s a pretty recent concept because Karolina invented fashionable
I’ve never heard a truer statement
Exactly
That's true
True
LAFAYETTE!!
Please tell us more about Deborah, the richest, fanciest lady in 16th century Switzerland and about how she was bullied in Paris
I'd watch that miniseries (*ơᴗơ)
Deborah in Paris
i need this badly
Deborah Downer... “I don’t care about fashion...” WHAHH WAHH
Hahahahahahahaha
So you're telling me the "fashion police" were a real thing back in Midieval times?
PFFFFFF
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“I’m Joan Molinsky de Rivers and your witnessing the fashion police”
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Karolina: *eloquent, long-winded explanation on how people used fashion trends to fit in socially back in the day*
Also Karolina: "you were basicalLY *a hOe"*
I’m gonna leave this here for you to see how many likes you got :)
@@anne4696 Lol thank you
I screamed
Also her: sO mAnY PiGeOnS
Baby got backstory.
I want “Deborah what are you wearing?” On a T-shirt
Agreed
Yesss
I second that
I want it in a tank top kkkk
Ahh yess
The Victorians loved vintage clothes...for costume parties. Apparently it is really difficult to find unaltered 18th century gowns, because the Victorians had a habit of making historically inaccurate Marie Antoinette costumes out of them.
The audacity ( º言º)
Yes, but natural fibers do rot after a while, and wool moths were a problem.
*cough cough * something borrowed *corona cough *
I mean to be fair, it is much cheaper to take some scissors to an existing gown than to buy some old fashioned fabric to make a new one
*Maui Voice* It's nice to see that humans never change. Lol still to this day people are pulling out inaccurate Marie Antoinette costumes.
The thing that i hate about me being "fashionable" is that every time my family asks me the same things, "where are you going?" Or "why are you dressed like that?" "Is there a party somewhere?" Or "dressing up like that, what are trying to do? Look rich or something??" And I'm like?? maybe because i just simply want to??
I feel you
There is no such thing as overdressing, it's just other people that got no taste ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I know exactly how you feel.
This has the same energy as “why are you wearing a dress and why is your hair made up? Are you trying to impress some man?” ??no?? I just feel nice doing it?
@@miahan8988 +1
"No matter what women do there will always be someone criticizing it."
So. Damn. True.
One of the first commenters (the one dude)
Yeah true. Basically no matter what you do someone will complain about it. If you're a man or a woman. You need to understand that and move on.
Came here to post this exact quote. It’s so fucking true it hurts. And what’s worse - it’s never going away.
Unfortunately, the person criticizing it will more than likely be another woman.
*Anyone will get criticized by anyone, as long as you have an internet profile and/or a social life.
Video: starts
Karolina: *aggressive eye rub*
Video: stops
Karolina: *mlem*
"deBORaH wHatRE yOU wEARinG?!"
Deborah: "i may _LOOK_ like a _BURNT CHICKEN NUGGET_ but i still love myself."
Fuck i laughed so hard i yeeted my bagle with cream cheese side down on my keyboard
@@gogo_crunchy8926 i respect you for that, sir or ma'am.
i wanna be like deborah
@@gogo_crunchy8926 rip
I'm a Deborah and I can confirm that this is very much true!
I came here so fast, I almost tripped on my evening gown
Are you okay?? Xd
@@cheerioooo7865 better than ever lol
@@okay.3170 of course, when meme mom uploads nothing else matters :) :)
🥂 as long as you didn't drop your champagne
Hope your shoulders didn't slip out, it'd be horribly inconvenient ( ´･ω ก` )
This is why I hate when people (who usually have no historical knowledge) start complaining about how people today don’t “respect themselves” or “take care of themselves”. People historically did not dress the way they did because they just loved setting their hair for hours. They literally had to dress like everyone else or they would be social outcasts. Who cares if someone today is wearing jeans? We have the ability to dress the way we want to now and can choose if we want to look more “glamorous” some days and not others. Sure I’d like to wear authentic Victorian gowns daily without getting weird looks, but nothing is stopping me from actually doing so if I wanted to
I feel called out, I liked setting my hair when I had it :(
@@ahhh4117 lol I’m not trying to sound like I’m calling it out (I literally spend hours and hundreds of dollars on my hair). I’m just saying not everyone wants to, and people deserve to dress themselves how they want to without being shamed because of it. I think it’s just another way to hate on “kids these days”
But many people are following fast fashion trends :/
When I think about the way people take care of/respect themselves today, I'm usually comparing it to 40-80 years ago. In the last 100 years there has been an extremely rapid degeneration in people's self-respect. I'm not talking about jeans or t-shirts either, I'm taking about walking around without pants on, in stained clothing. I believe fast fashion and predatory marketing has a lot to do with it. Clothing is not geared towards utility or durability anymore, it's all about how cheap the slaves can make it, and how they can trick people into buying it. Even hoboes in the 30s wore suits.
People now seem to believe that being comfortable walking around naked is the pinnacle of self respect, and caring nothing for their health is self-love.
@@farkleberry867 Fast fashion has definitely impacted the quality of clothes. But if you are actively seeing people walk around without pants and in stained clothes, it is more of a mental health and socioeconomic concern than "self respect". Only influencers and celebrities are into being naked in the public eye - everyday people do not unless there is a bigger issue at hand. Homeless men in the 30s wore suits because that was all they had, and the only reason why they were homeless was because of the Depression.
I think people care more about their health today than in the past. Yes obesity is on the rise (looking at socioeconomic patterns again), but on the other side, exercise and healthy eating is definitely more popular today than it has been in the past (especially when you look at women's exercise - historically women's exercise has been a joke).
"It wasn't that difficult to be honest." Karolina admitting she's a time traveler.
you mean immortal. she just popped in existence, when the first human started using a needle
My daughter has started 7th grade and has started caring about what her "style"is. She is a legging and spiderman tshirt girl moving toward some 80's vibe (thanks Stranger Things). Being away from in-person school and the judgements has been freeing in a way. I hope she is brave enough to dress how she wants and not feel she has to blend in.
leggings and spiderman tshirt girl club is something i want to be part of
I'm in 8th grade as well (Started in September) and she has nothing to worry about. I'm English and we wear uniform at school, but outside school no one really seems to mind what you wear, not even the 'popular' kids you're not friends with.
My parents don't really get any new clothes for me, I still wear old clothes which are all basically just block colour t shirts and jumpers, but I've ever got any negative reactions or judgements for not wearing 'uncool' clothing.
Best of luck to her. xx
@@fjmh3933 thank you. i wish you the best!
My daughter is also 13 and now caring about “her style”. But it’s easy enough for me, given that her style is early 90s grunge. So basically boots with ripped jeans, and oversized shirts, hoodies and flannels. Sometimes a sort of fitted T-shirt, but only if she can put an oversized flannel on top of it.
So I have her some of my shirts, hoodies and flannels, and she was very happy with that. The only issue is that she will steal my brother’s shirts (he’s my carer and lives with us), even though she is a five foot nothing teen girl (if that, I’d be surprised if she’s hit five foot yet), and he’s a 6 foot 2 adult man, who is built pretty large - he wears a 3X in adult men’s sizes. And yet, she still steals his band shirts, because they’re big AND they’re band shirts, which makes them the best thing ever. At least she’s well educated on the music of the band shirts that she steals? We’re a big rock family, and she’s grown up with Led Zeppelin and Queen and AC/DC. So at least she isn’t that teen girl wearing a band shirt because it looks cool, without being able to name a single song.
She may start to roll her eyes when you compliment her new looks, but definitely still do it. (: I remember being a very funky middle schooler and always secretly loved that my mom thought I looked cool (though you’d never dig that out of 13 year old me)
An example of how fashion used to be viewed can be found in "A Girl of the Limberlost" by Gene Stratton Porter. It was written in the late Edwardian era. In the book, the protagonist Elnora goes to high school for the first time, and suffers severe social rejection because of how she is dressed. Her uncle then sets out to make sure she has the proper clothes, which then allows her to challenge the assumptions everyone made about her. Later, Elnora ponders on whether or not getting the new clothes was really a good idea, because she would rather be judged for the content of her character than for how she dresses. Her new friend says that the other students would have seen her for who she was eventually, but that this slow process wouldn't have been worth the mental and emotional stress. Elnora agrees with her assessment, and decides not to worry about it.
Another example is from "The Women in White" by Wilkie Collins. It was published in 1859. In the beginning of the book, a young women is on the run and gets lost. She hears someone on the road, and decides to hide and see how they are dressed in order to get some idea of their character. Apparently her test was a good one because the guy she decides to approach is an all round wholesome fellow.
I think it's hard for us modern folks to realize how different the culture was back then. Modern culture tends to focus on the idea that there's no such thing as the "right" kind of person. Victorians, on the other hand, had a very definite idea of what the "right" kind of person was like. Both ideologies have their draw backs, but that's not really the point of my comment. I agree Karolina. We too often apply modern judgement on people who lived in a very different cultural environment.
very interesting references. this made me thing of the expression “a wolf in sheep’s clothing”. though not necessarily a reflection of someone’s social status, it does show that there was the realization that clothing didn’t always reflect a person’s character.
I need to save this comment so I read these later 👀
@@YedidahMVO lol was thinking the same
Interesting op
Girl of Limberlost is a good book too.
I don't have anything clever to say, I'm just happy to be here.
Me too.
Same.
Same. And I like to wear my undershirts inside-out. It's more comfortable that way :)
being fashionable then: I see you are a modest lady
being fashionable now: why are dressing up so much today are yOu GoInG sOmEwHeRe????
_'why don't you dress like other girls?'_
Yep, that's why when we see old photos or movies etc. we are like "Oh people were so elegant and proper back in the day".
Which is immediately followed by the modern mind rationalizing why our society could still somehow be "progressive" in comparison, usually by pretending we are somehow morally superior to them because *"They were racist/sexist/homophobic etc."*
Failing that there is always the technological argument. *"They didn't even have internet porn back then!"*
You aren't being fashionable by Karolina's description of old fashion, and I would argue what still is fashion. You aren't fitting in, so you get called out.
I would also argue that we are more progressive because all that gets you are annoying comments by family and not ostracization as in ye old times.
@@tiamatmichellehart6821 Yes, I hate that! Not all the people from the past were racist/homophobic/sexist if they all were then our world today would be WAY LESS progressive and those issues would still be as bad as they once were. There existed a lot of noble and good people back then too and it's because of them that our world is slowly trying to leave behind those dark ages, because back then there were also people who fought for the rights and wellbeing of others.
My husbands grandpa likes westerns and they're always surprised how I can guess the year it was made pretty accurately even without knowing the movies. Its easy, by that dress and that hair that lady is very obviously from the late 50s just pretending to be old west haha! Period dramas almost always are drawn on what is popular now and how that can work with how things kind of looked back then.
Same thing with other fashion, until recently people didn't generally try to exactly mimic the past in daily dress. I blame the internet, makes research accessible to everyone
I do this, too. The bouffant hairstyles and eye makeup on some of those old westerns was very telling.
Me, coming from Hamburg and arriving in Paris: hi
My friend from Paris: bro, you can't wear this. You literally can not wear this here, people will think I'm walking around with a peasant oh my god
Happy I wasn't chewing when I read that lmao
Congartulations, you did it again, visting Rome looking as protestant as possible.
Tbf that kinda applies today. People in Hamburg (or any other ‚bigger‘ German city for that matter) dress differently than someone deine a more rural area even within the same country.
I will start to use "boobage".
It's nice to hear someone other than my group of American friends and family use the term "boobage". I suddenly feel so much classier. I can say "it's a European term" now if asked. 😘
When my daughter was little, they were “boobles.”
Boobage sounds more mature. ☺️
@@llamasugar5478 what about breastage
ninette I like it, especially with a posh accent!
Don’t forget, it’s “boobãge”.
I would love to hear more of your opinions on “recycled” trends post 70s. Like the 70s does prairie, 80’s does 40’s, 90s does 70s.. I’ve heard a few different theories on why this happens with such strong influence but I would love to hear your thoughts.
And currently its a really weird mash up of 70s, 90s, and the leg of mutton sleeves from the late 1890s for some reason. Not quite sure why that is back in, but it is. Its making me wish that shirts worked with my boobage because they'd work really well for a historically inspired outfit.
@@AlexaFaie I see the 60s a lot too in fashion today also but totally agree with you. I personally like to pick the silhouettes here and there throughout the decades that are most flattering to my proportions/body type, and there are some things from the past that are so timeless
@@AlexaFaie i think today's fashion is a mix of everything from the last 50 years! god help us all but y2k is coming back (i don't mind, i just want access to high-waisted jeans)
I feel a lot of 50s influence too
@@AlexaFaie the leg o mutton had a late 70s/ early 80s comeback already, so it's a recursive recycle.
the background music in karolina's videos is always so tasteful
It's to balance the chaotic nature of mother.
Debussy's Arabesque :)
I was proud of myself when I recognized Debussy!
@@SaccharineCHNOS me too! I heard the first few notes and I immediately knew it was debussy.
@@texaspoontappa2088 I actually thought it was Clair de lune at first because I thought that was the only Debussy I knew!
I think the main thing is that our relationship to what being fashionable means changed. It used to mean being proper and well put together, being acceptable. Since the 60s that view of being fashionable has been changing. It's not completely gone yet, we as a society still consider certain styles more acceptable than others and there is still a similar kind of pressure to look acceptable, especially as a woman, but it's a little different. In many ways it's less strict, but it's also more complicated. Instead of following a set of instructions on how to dress, there is both a pressure to fit in and to stand out. As a society we seem to value people showing their personality and individuality in the way they dress, but only to a certain point where it still partly conforms to societal norms. You don't want to be perceived as boring, but you don't want to seem weird either. We have more freedoms in how we dress today and cultural views on the importance of dressing "well", whatever that means in any given time and place, have shifted, but how people perceive you based on how you look sadly still has a huge influence on how well they treat you. I went off on a little tangent there... So, yeah.
True
The way you ended that reminded me of overly sarcastic productions trope talks.
@@erinyes3943 You're right XD I didn't even notice when I wrote it!
The internet told me that "formal" literally means "of the proper form". These days it just means "ridiculously fake"
Great observation. "Being yourself" is ok, as long as that doesn't upset the "establishment". Many historical fashion CZcamsrs I follow mention how they get weird looks in public. Not so different from previous times!
"no matter what women do there will always be someone criticising them for it" isn't too salty, it's just accurate.
I find it so intresting how for HUNDREDS of years we basically had the same silhouette in Europe
Chemise, structured undergarment, petticoat, floor length skirt / blouse or floor length dress,
And now we just have sooooooo many styles yet they are all basically one layer compared to multiple layers of the past
There was a great variety of silhouettes throughout a European history (and there was a great number of different cuts), it's just the structure (by "structure" mean a defined number of layers) that was nearly the same for a really long time (though there always were some exceptions, that were mainly caused by geographical position).
Anastasia Ludwika yup you are right I wasn’t sure of the word but it’s the construction / structure of the garments that relatively the same but the silhouette changed :)
I think air conditioning had something to do with it. Before it was invented and put everywhere, people sweat a TON and needed somewhere to put it all without being smelly so wearing 4+ layers of clothing no matter the temperature made sense. After air-conditioning and deodorant became more widespread you can see that fashions quickly went thinner and into one layer more easily.
Two layers: underwear.
@@6thgraderfriends but people had perfumes to hide the odours for centuries, and there always were linen fabrics, fine linen for summer (saw a video on yt, a lady wore a yellow 19th c. dress in a sunny day and said it wasn't any more hot than modern clothes). if I remember it correctly women's clothes changed significantly after ww1 by ditching corset for something less restricting. so chemise+corset+corset cover were replased with 1 layer
Cavewomen Poland 200000 BCE: Ugh can you believe she is wearing those Sabertooth Tiger skins with that set of bear claws? Why can't her tribe be fashionable and wear Mammoth like the rest of us.
I may have been in quarantine too long.
you're fine, my friend and i made up gossip about a fake townswoman in Salem during the witch hunts.
@@nora-ky1yh ugh think about this, this woman in marie antoinettes court was so underdressed, i couldn’t take it
@@jacobjacquin Omg yeah I saw that! I felt SO bad for her, like she clearly must have missed the memo.
200000 Before Christian Era?
@@jacobjacquin yeah but that was nothing compared to louise telling jebediah that she saw mary at the devil's meeting, like louise, what were YOU doing at the devil's meeting? mary was just having some cider with the devil's wife and you were trying to talk him up, like how disrespectful.
idk why but i REALLY like this new type of color scheme, it's very yellowy and warm and honestly, with winter coming up, that's really nice to see
edit: wow i just said "idk why i ______ " _and then explained exactly why_ i _____
Very relatable.
Warm colours gang!
damn you do be making me realize the amount of times ive done that 🤧💀
"Be fashionable, but not TOO fashionable. Don't care too much about how you look, but look like you care a LOT" - someone somewhere probably
Some things never change.
Sometimes I wish I lived in the 60s cos I love the fashion of that time, then I remember I'm black
@Randall Paquet your decisions might've been different.
Depends where you lived but I'm guessing we wouldn't have been as comfortable as today
@Randall Paquet hmmm funny seeing as the civil rights movement happened in the 60s
@Randall Paquet hmmm funny seeing as the civil rights movement happened in the 60s
@@coffintears5821 And racism was solved yay! Lol that's not how things worked out, you know
I watched a french short documentary from the late 1960s and those two teenagers were saying they liked to dress mid-1920s during the weekend. I found that so interesting!
do you have a link to that? it sounds super interesting
@@swain-Ix1tv czcams.com/video/4m2M8_DWT1A/video.html here it is quite short tho
I love that she made one random throwaway comment and suddenly everyone is a stan for Deborah, ready to watch a mini-series about her on Netflix and totally here to fight for Deborah's rights to be fashionable in other countries without being shamed for it lmao.
I lived with my grandma for 2 years while I went to school near her and she taught me a lot on how to care for clothes, she did call me wrinkle queen bc she ironed everything and I didn't. Also one time I worse blue and green and she rhymed " blue and green should never be seen unless there is another colour inbetween." aparently it was a common rhyme for pairing clothing once.
"Blue and green should never be seen" is something I've heard time and again :) That and not to pair white with red. This applies to clothing, flowers, etc and means "Blood & Bandages". Interesting how we have these rituals, isn't it? Xx
@@kaelaleedaley Yeah, it is interesting. I am sure there are more and I want to know them too.
odd, never heard those, but my mum told me never to pair black and brown, or black and dark blue
😍 omg, I love your grandma. I try to follow all those colour rules too (if I can afford it). I think one of the biggest reasons why the "there are no rules" mindset is so prevalent nowadays is because people just can't afford to dress "properly"/for each occasion anymore.
@@janeodee1677 Not to match white and red?! (cries in Polish)
*this video is sponsored by yo mama* won everything
Speaking of derogatory terms, in Spain there used to be one for young men who were excessively into fashion: "lechuguino" (literally means "little lettuce" 😂😂😂😂). But certainly there were many more for women-and way more offensive. Sad.
There are a whole bunch of colorful (and slightly derogatory) names in English for an “overly fashionable” man, 😅 most of which are from the 1800s or earlier. These include: Fop, Coxcomb, Gussie, Tulip, Macaroni, Peacock, clotheshorse, Fribble, and popinjay. I’m sure there are more. 😂
omg little lettuce
Nooooo ‘little lettuce’ sounds so cute lol
"little lettuce" when I tell you I laughed
Y yo que pensaba que un lechuguino era... no sé, un idiota sinsangre. De esos burros que viven con la cabeza en las nubes. Bueno es aprender lo que significa en realidad.
I have a question, how much 'historical' is a straight cut bangs (or fringe, grzywka, whatever)? Becouse film makers like to give that hairstyle to actresses a lot, but isn't it a more modern thing (khe khe, Elizabeth Bennet)?
Edit: Yeah I guess I should phrased my question more like 'why do they give european characters those bangs and is it somewhat historically possible'
That's a good question, I wondered that too. In Japan if I remember correctly, straight cut bangs with long hair is called 'hime (princess) cut', so it probably depends on many factors like the country whether it's historically accurate.
That's a very interesting question and it would be cool if our meme mom did a video on that!!
@@makeda6530 In historical paintings in Japan rich women always have long hair with no bangs so i wonder where that hime cut came from
@@nekochadechu I've seen older photos of Japanese children with blunt bangs so maybe it was a childish hairstyle that was adopted by adults? In the West I think it was a thing for men in the middle ages and then wasn't a thing for women until the 1920s.
Fashionable people Regency people n general cut their hair short with fringes, bangs , because they were emulating the french aristocracy who had their hair cut short prior to have their heads lopped off.
I recall reading somewhere that old-money young ladies of the late 19th-century would purchase their trousseaus in Paris and then wait one year to wear the clothes because it was considered vulgar to be "too" au courant. Only the nouveau riche wore the very "latest" fashions.
For some of us that is still the case 😉
"If a wardrobe malfunction could ruin your life-"
I mean, let's not pretend this still doesn't happen. Janet Jackson's career was never the same after the wardrobe malfunction at the Superbowl.
I think she's referring to normal folks.
Yesss I thought the same thing! I just commented that too
@@CarrotConsumer If a person walks down the street and their skirt drops down revealing panties (or no panties!) you can still be sure everybody and their mother knows about it.
@@YarrowNjune oh hell no! You know damn well that I'm keeping my mouth SHUT.
@@YarrowNjune why tho
Rich medieval merchant: *tries to be fashionable*
Medieval nobles: APPROPRIATION!!
PLEASE review the American Girl doll history outfits
Yesssssss 😍😍😍👏🏻
Yessssss, and hairstyles.
The doll outfits have changed so much since American Girl was owned by Pleasant Company.
Did Karolina talk about Kirsten's bangs being inaccurate but it was probably because they used the same template with all the dolls? (The three original dolls all had bangs.) Or did I just think Karolina mentioned this but I actually think my own thoughts in Karolina's voice?
Don't forget their nightgowns!
The rules back then seemed pretty close to today's. Look good, but make it look effortless. Wear what everyone else is wearing, but make it look unique. Like everyone who wears Nike and Adidas
So true! 👏👏👏👏 My favourite (not) rule is "wear any kind of pants you want as long as they are skinny".
“Deborah! What are you doing?”
Spending so much time in lockdown, I've been re-thinking my look. I recently lost nearly 100 pounds and have been trying to consider what my look should be now that I no longer feel the need to conceal everything. I kind of like the 1950's - 60's feel. It just seems so feminine and classy. Anyone else thinking about considering other fashion eras as their every day look?
I feel that silhouette is very flattering on many. I bet you'd look amazing in it. A nice midi skirt with a simple top, maybe a colorful neck ribbon and a hair accessory. Go for it! History bounding is always a good starting point when experimenting style. (*•̀ᴗ•́*)و ̑̑がんばれー
I want to were 1890 fashion in winter so yes
I'm doing edwardian meets 1950 :)
Omg how did you lose 100 pounds tell me ur routine damn
@@lala-4458 weight loss surgery and a LOT of exercise sometimes twice a day.
Last time I was this early being fashionable wasn’t a concept 😳
I read a novel set in the 17th c- the grandma dressed like the rest of the female characters, but she stubbornly kept to her later 16th c hairstyle - I assume that was a strong possibility throughout history. Like in ‘Death on the Nile’ had Bette Davis in more Edwardian-esq styles, in contrast to the more modern younger characters.
I imagine the reality of one’s financial state would be a strong influence on their ability to ‘keep up’ with fashion. Several years ago- I think it was a small online museum- & there was one image I was drawn to- I clicked on it for a better view, it was clearly an Edwardian-looking teadress; it had long sleeves & a high collar... but the sleeves looked somewhat narrower than I expected- the skirt, too was narrow- & looked to be waay too short... & the belt looked too late for it...
But... when I read the info with it; the dress was indeed Edwardian- but it was altered in the Depression... hence the 20’s-looking rhinestone decorated belt - I guess even well-to-do wouldn’t want to be spending too much money on clothes, at that time...
In the 1970s, my mother tried to get me to wear slacks and blouses to school when the other girls were wearing jeans, bell bottom Dittos with Lacoste polos or strappy tops. Mom told me I should make my own fashion. It took me decades to understand that, and I finally get it. You got it early and explained it wonderfully. ❤️
Isn't it funny that the whole concept of choosing old clothes was created just after modern fashion rejected elegance?
I know it has something to do with fast fashion, but I can’t pinpoint the exact time when it happened
I appreciate you talking about the historical connotations of "fashionable." It is enlightening to look at the history of fashion with this context!
I myself strive to be thoroughly and completely unfashionable in any sense of the term: I'll wear what I want when I want!
So I guess today we see fashion as an expression of who we are as individuals, how we are separate from the crowd, but in history it was the opposite. People are people and might have had certain things they preferred, but overall they wanted to show they were worthy of society.
"being fashionable meant perfectly blending in"
So that's kind of like being a teenager through your whole life. Or was when I was a teenager lol
Could you imagine being back in a time where your sleeves could point out how fashionable you were😂 I am happy if I can find comfy yet flattering clothes! 😍❤️
I do feel there is the same devide nowadays in certain circles. Many rich people want to look and feel different than the rest and to destinguish among themselves as well to a degree. The richer you are, the more exclusive fashion you can afford to buy. It exists
I think it goes further than that. To get a good job you have to dress the part, but to be able to afford to dress the part you need the kind of money that you would make in that job, so the process is already geared towards hiring people who could afford better clothes (and better schools) without thinking about the price.
I live in one of the three wealthiest counties in the US. What the rich wear: super-casual athletic clothes and jeans, they try to disappear, not stand out.
My mother remembers cutting and inlaying fabric in her jeans as trends changed, so when trumpet pants became modern, she had flower print triangles in her jeans, of which she had few.
me: why would I want to hear a rant about fashionability, this seems boring
me, eleven minutes later: wait the video's over already? dammit i wanted more
I love your type of beauty. No matter what make up or clothes you wear, you always look beautiful. I really envy you..
She's comfortable in her skin which makes you look good in everything.
i love your yellow ✨ earrings ✨💛💛
Same
I don't know what it is, but you look especially pretty in this video.
Edit: After reading others' comments, I realize it is the color yellow.
Kinda timeless eclectic look, from my dilettante point of view.
I think the “proper fashion” still exists very heavily: there are dress codes for work, gym or even swimming hall. I know what kind of clothes I’m expected to wear but they are usually very dull and uncomfortable. I like bright colors and technical fabrics. What I hate is: the white cotton collared shirt, black or navy strait pants, black or navy blazer, leather jacket, blue jeans, white t-shirt, handbags... you see all the “essentials”.
I'm curious to know where you live. In Anglophone North America (ANA) my experience seems to be the exact opposite: people are expected/allowed to wear athleisure (I include leggings and skinny pants in that) everywhere. There is no dress code anymore. You can wear athleisure to work, to the gym, to go grocery shopping, etc. It keeps getting harder and harder for me to even find straight leg pants (to buy) anywhere. Additionally, there is a plethora of influencers promoting the "wear what you want" and "down with the fashion rules". So I honestly don't see any dress codes present in ANA culture.
@@MairaBay I live in Europe. While one can go as a customer to a shop in gym clothes, one would not be allowed to work in them (unless working in IT). Especially in the traditional business areas like e.g. law, banking or government job you would still have to follow the code.
@@MairaBay I would disagree to an extent. Maybe it depends on the city, but when I worked in an office job a couple years ago there was definitely a dress code (business casual - no athleisure except when using the office gym, no shorts except on Fridays if you paid the shorts fee, no flip flops or 'distracting' hair.) Even the non-office jobs I've worked that don't technically have a dress code aside from uniform shirts still have recommendations including "don't wear leggings as pants." Outside of work, though, you can definitely do whatever you want as long as you're wearing all the bits that qualify you as legally decent.
Seems like fashion might be the most fun and playful it’s ever been 💜
I absolutely love her voice, it's so relaxing and soft
Karolina: People were trying to fit in.
Me: screw that why shouldn't they be allowed to wear the kind of clothes they liked best even if it didn't fit in with the "look".
Karolina: the tiniest spot on your reputation could ruin you and not wearing the clothes that were accepted at the time would make everyone else think all this bad stuff about you.
Me: wow fitting in is so cool, it's my new favourite thing!
Well in some way, isnt that still happening. You use something and ppl start to think all the bad things about you.
@@TheZenytram *cough cough J.K.Rowilng....
When people mostly made their own clothes they were more careful about adopting new fashions too.
Yes! During 1670 Louis XIV made this law that only nobility could wear heels, since they were quite fashionable on those times specially with men.
Louis XIV was the Kardashian of that time 😂
It's interesting because it seems like people have always thought that their own times were unprecedented. In the Dutch late 16th century, peasant dress was thought of as being true to the locale while the fashions of urban dwellers were criticized for changing so fast, as they always chased the latest trends from France. Renaissance Florentine men, the sons of patriarchs and wealthy merchants, were also criticized for being obsessed with the new French fashions and were even accused of undermining their own masculinity with these new frills. Moralists in every age seemed to believe that the trends and consumerism of their own age were the most ultimately destructive.
One of my favourite Renaissance fashion stories tho is that of Galeazzo Maria Sforza (like most Milanese men of his time, obsessed w fashion and appearances) who was told repeatedly that there were threats against his life (there were a bunch of bad omens too) but he refused to wear his armour into the church because he thought it made him look too fat. Men of course, have insecurities too. Anyways he promptly got stabbed and now we call him a fashion martyr.
(I'm not a fashion historian but I study Renaissance art and have come across a fair bit of writing on the fashion of the time)
This was a really cool video! Per usual!
This reminds me of this pair of paintings of father and son, from Amsterdam 1642. art-in-space.blogspot.com/2016/08/bartholomeus-van-der-helst-portrait-of.html The son's clothes are so different from the fathers. The dad looks stern, conservative, a proper starched protestant successful businessman. The son is wearing colorful, new-fashion, effeminate clothes and has that pouty look of a wastrel. Someone born wealthy who didn't want to work hard but just wanted to party and gamble and eat pastries. I can imagine the father seeing the son going out and just shaking his head. "You going out dressed like that? Your mother spoiled you!"
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Girl I appreciate that you just jumped RIGHT into it! No unneccessary 5 min intro, just facts! Queen ❤️
You have such interesting topics. I never thought before how fashion was for the older ladies and worked its way down the scale. Now younger people have the trends older ladies want to join in with.
I wonder what it's like to be so pretty...Karolina should write a book on what it feels like to not avoid mirrors XD
bc she can't see herself in them, no mortal is that confident
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oh yes. Alot of the regalias you see at pow wows or pictures of pow wows of the traditional dancers of Native American pow wows were/are everyday clothing. Women wore those regalias everyday, most had different regalias. Plus, alot of the old, curtis photos you see of the Natives at the time, they actually had their own style. Its written that during raids of other tribes or of a settlement a person from the raid would find something they liked and bring it back, decorated it however they like it and it was theirs. Im my tribe, we dont have a specific style like plateau indians do or great plains (Our thing was having the whitest buckskin there is and having fringe... long and lots of fringe) Our thought on designs, style was whatever your spirit told you (I believe our 'spirit' is your subconscious, your gut feeling) If you found a certain color pattern beautiful it was yours. I think its cool that my tribe (not sure if others did the same) taught that whatever your dreams, spiritual guardian told you or showed you, even what you liked, that became yours and you could have that style.
That’s fascinating, thanks for sharing!
This was extremely fascinating! I never thought about where the concept of being "fashionable" came from and it makes the critiques I've seen of period movies/tv shows make so much more sense. I don't know much about fashion history, as I've only recently gained interest in it, but I didn't know that about the 60s but that makes a lot of sense too! Thanks for the entertaining history lesson Karolina! I love adding to my knowledge library.
"Deborah what are you wearing?!" I DIED😂
Jesus, I loved the colour palette of your outfit and the wool with the delicate fabric of the shirt. SO SOOTHING TO WATCH
It is so amazing to look back at the trends of fashion through the ages. Thank you for this.
Teddy girls and Teddy boys wearing Edwardian clothes in the 1950's would probably be one of the first vintage clothing movements. But it was a subculture, not happening across mainstream fashion.
Random comment but you always look so elegant
I am just living for your hair lately. This is my favorite hairstyle you've had.
I really like how your hair looks this way, the length and style suit your face shape so well!
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And then we have the "teddy boys" in 1950s England recalling Edwardian fashion which I always find fascinating.
Teddy boys is an adorable term I had never heard before.
I love your take on this. Thank you for trying to smoothly break down a complicated topic.
yellow fits you so well!! you look stunning 💛✨
If I dress on victorian fashion would I be considered an old fashionista?
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its called being fashionable
I’m so early!!!! I’ve been waiting for Karolina content 💞
You have no idea how much I love your videos, I feel like I´m actually learning. You´ve make me realize the love I have for this kind of stuff
Thank you for educating us! Also... the warm toned palette of this video... Impeccable!
Very interesting. You are the only person I know who can wear that beautiful shade of yellow. Bravo!
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You’re reading Edith Wharton’s Age of Innocence!! One of my favorite books heckkk yeah :D
Re: history of vintage clothing. There was a counterculture trend in the 1950s in England where poor young men dressed in Edwardian style - they were called Teddy Boys and if I recall correctly, there were some establishments that completely prevented boys wearing Edwardian costume from entering! Definitely backs up your point about wearing “weird” clothes being looked down upon prior to the 1960s/70s.
Also thank you for pointing out that in the Victorian Era, fashion was about fitting in and conformity, and that working class folks wore clothes of a similar silhouette to the rich! With all the changing silhouettes of the 19th century, it always irks me a little when I see a poor person dressed in anachronistic clothes because “that’s what poor people looked like.” Not that hard to change a silhouette with a little sewing skill and creativity. In fact, I change the silhouette of my long mid 2010s blouses when I tuck them into my vintage 80s high-waisted jeans to get that 2020 look :)
Enlightening and entertaining video as always!
it's wonderful hearing the perspectives and opinions! Seeing slides is common but hearing the why is amazing
can you do a series of videos on folks that were pivot points for fashion in there time/would have been seen as controversial? (6:20)
Have you read Anne of Green Gables? How do you think Marilla's attitude, about being against the latest fashion fads and wanting Anne to wear plain simple clothes, fits in with what you said about being fashionable being considered the proper thing to do?
I love your videos so much! They're legit complete lectures for me and i listen to them not batting an eye.
Regional fashions and trends have always been fascinating and the idea of keeping regional fashion seems to be making a resurgence like the rise in “street” fashion becoming more and more trendy
Modern ideas of fashion are crazy
I'm dressing neither fashionable, nor vintage. Long sleeve shirt, jeans sometimes jacket. I love it.
A while ago they were calling that "normcore" because apparently everything needs a -core suffix now.
This ties so well into one off my classes. Thank you so much for sharing this video.
This is super helpful for me as an author/illustrator! I definitely didn’t understand the different meaning of fashion and wrote inaccurate character choices based on that. Thanks for explaining this clearly!
I might not know my fashion very well but I consider vintage fashionable
parisians: omg omg what are you wearing
deborah, in 1D merch: gucci
Thank you for your videos. I have greatly enjoyed learning so much!! Not only are you so informative, but you deliver the information in such a relatable, personable clear style. Thank you!!