BBK Shorty Headers! Insta-LEAK! Ram 1500 5.7
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I'm going to bookmark this video so that whenever I think about putting headers on my F body Camaro I can watch it until the feeling passes. Look at how much work you saved me, thanks Ray!
Almost easier to take the motor out.
Lol AJ. That's a good idea.
Engine / Motor. I know how people are.
@@danssmokintreasures Enginecycle vs motorcycle
@@danssmokintreasures Hell, on those LT1's it might be easier to drop the motor when doing plugs and wires.
Watching Ray fight with the open end wrench in the tight spaces is a little painful. Been there often. It makes me crazy doing a 1/6 turn, flip the wrench, 1/6 turn, flip the wrench, and repeat for 60 minutes.
Alden wrench makes standard and metric sets of ratcheting open end wrenches made of high grade stainless steel! Use them all the time !
Or even a 1/12 turn. Sometimes a brake-union spanner comes in handy; (like a ring-spanner with a slot cut in it.)
Yea cause hes spoiled with power tools..
It SUCKS! I felt his pain and frustration!
@@jefferybye2169 the battery impact driver is the main thing that makes ray's content possible. Its absence makes that all the more clear.
Header flanges are never truly flat, always run them on a table sander to knock down the high spots and make them true. And always tighten from center out in a pattern for even placement.
I always wanted Headers for a couple of my old Hot Rods that were actually my Dailies. Between Ray, Jeff Bradshaw and the machine shop I follow on here I'm kinda glad I didn't. They have given me more than one "Duh" moment such as squaring up the flange with a belt sander. An exhaust leak annoys the p-hockey out of me. I have a small one now on my Trailblazer with the 4.2 but you can really only hear it when you pass a guardrail or something solid on the right side of the road.
The Liabilities that this fix could create would keep many shops from attemping it. Not to mention the incredible labor charges.
Kudos to the Bob Ross quote
My question is about that Left Side Header, it looks like the return line from the heater, is right up against the #8 Exhaust line, and to me it ;ooks like it;ll be back for some serious water line replacement.....
Feelings of wanting to reach out in the screen and help. That's definitely loving the work. Thanks Ray
That customer should have supplied locking header bolts. Once they are tightened, they won't back off. Love watching your videos.
This was an excellent job, Ray.
A little known finishing touch for stainless headers/collectors-
After installation, spray & wipe with acetone (not BPC) then a
liberal spray of WD-40 without wiping. After a few heat & WD-40
cycles- they will develop that beautiful rainbow, that also protects.
Unlike the rest of the world that wakes up to Ray in the morning, i get to listen to his soothing bedtime stories down under
Here too in Sydney we get the updates usually pretty late at night .
I'm in WA. At least it's still a reasonable hour
Yes Ben it's ideal for you two hours or so earlier..same deal with Ivan at Pine hollow automotive he usually uoads about 100am here.
Afternoon tea for me lol 🤘
Ray would fit in with us Aussies he's easy going has a sense of humour and is abit quirky but very cool.
It'll be back with another exhaust leak without locking header bolts... Absolutely love your content dude!!!
We used to use brass nuts on the exhaust manifold flange and we put a couple extra ones on just a cover-up the threads makes it a lot easier to get them off later
Watching your video's is therapeutic to me,it relieves stress because I would have blown a head gasket with a slurry of trucker/sailor talk.thank you Ray.
Years ago the inner fenders were metal and when the headers wouldn’t fit you just take the hammer put a concave dent in in it . Everything you needed was always in the JC Whitney catalog except for the right headers
Watching this mini-series of torment has made me realise the main reason I like your channel Ray. You struggle, so I don't have to!! I've done plenty of jobs like this in my time and have to say, it's way better watching someone else do them :)
I was thinking about putting shorty headers on my 2004 Tundra... This got that idea right out of my head.
I work in a restoration shop and we hate headers, don't get them! It's all downhill with them
Not all vehicles are a pain in the ass. I have short tube headers from Banks on my 08 Silverado 1500 and the most trouble I had was a bolt I had to superheat on the original connecting bolt at the flange to the cat on the driver side. The shorty headers with polished and ported heads, high flow intake and a custom tune from EFI live has made a nice difference.
@@CSXtrackworker oh, agreed.... But pretty sure my Tundra would be PITA territory.
@@johntetreault but it would be worth it.
If it’s a 2uz, do it!! I’m planning on putting headers on my 96 Lexus with a 1uz the big (little) brother to the 2uz,3uz,3ur. They sound great but are a pain to get in
I remember putting BBK shorty headers on my 1987 F-150 back in 2003. It was very easy and straight forward with no leaks or rerouting other components. I'm glad I didn't have the headache involved with putting them on a Dodge PU.
My wife was in the room when you talked about the two finger treatment. She just looked at me and we both burst into laughter. Thanks Ray! Love your commentary, especialy when it gets a little off topic. :)
Two temporary studs upon which to pre-position the gasket, heat shield and the header would make this an easier job. Love your vids.
Excellent advice! We're like a hive mind. 👍
Only if there is enough room to position the header over the stud before sliding it on. Your loosing a couple inches of space
Hey!!!! I was gonna say that !!! lol
Hi Jay,
Normally with the BBK headers you have for the driver's side a short bolt and a long bolt : small for the bottom side and long for the top side.
If you don't be careful with that you can't screw the bottom bolt enough to make a good seal (you'll be stopped by the header tube).😁 It happened to me just like you.
Ray another great video. So tough of workspace to do this job and yet you made it look seamless.
Thank you! I have same truck, same headers and same leak. the graphite donut wore out from 10 years of service..I never thought the bolt was too long. Thank You!! You have a top 10 channel.
When I put long tube headers on my 5th gen Camaro, I was lucky that there was a lot more clearance than that, nicely done Ray.
I channeled Rainman Ray last night and discovered that the lower plastic agitator on my 2013 washing machine had stripped out splines, where it mates to the steel splined drive sticking out of the basin. The safety-mandated lid lock system makes diagnosis much more difficult, one has to unscrew the latch and duct-tape it in place to run with lid up to actually see what's happening and not happening. New lower agitator on the way....parts house had 16 in stock, so this does happen to others....
Same thing happened on our washer except it was from the late 90s. Finding that part and attempting tear down and install would have been 1/3 the price of a brand new washer. Ended up replacing with a Samsung, was shocked to see it’s assembled in USA
Must be a whirlpool.
That also depends on how corrosive the laundry detergent that you use, also is.
I ripped apart my whirlpool, because the transmission splines were rounded off due to rust eating, weakening, and breaking off the splines, until the machine just wouldn’t turn. The machine was in a million pieces for a few months, until my neighbor, tossed out his old Whirlpool model (compatible chassis and parts) in their front yard. Very similar to mine. I ended up hand trucking the neighbor’s reject to the house, and fixed it with the parts from my busted up Whirlpool, and made another good washer.
Ray, bought a set of the wrenches about a month ago. Needed them and have really enjoyed your videos so happy to purchase them thru your link. Keep the content coming! Eric from Spokane WA.
My brother passed 9 years ago today and the song playing at like 8:25 was played in his memorial video
Enjoyed the videos Bro and the test drive sounds beastly now very entertaining @Rainman Ray's Repairs
Love your videos as it is one of the first things I do in the morning looking at your channel first for new ones. Don't worry about being long or multi-part. Never too much for me. I find that I have mimicked a couple of things you do. When running nuts/bolts on I start the power tool before engaging and I say "click" to myself in my head or out lout when tight. LOL
I started doing this at work and my boss said is that the new auditable torque wrench
Thank you. I asked about dropping boots and you said not often. I wad impressed. Then in this job you actually filmed dropping a bolt. Thanks for the education you provide in you videos.
I really enjoy watching this channel, thanks Ray for all the challenges you capture and edit up so we can all follow along.
I quite often wonder if any of the owners of the vehicles you work on ever watch your videos? Personally I'd love to watch footage of a great technician working on my vehicle.
Keep up the excellent work and content Ray, its so appreciated by so many 🤩
I put a sliver of sidewall rubber from an old tire in my U-joint adapter. It helps keep the floppiness to a minimum so I can get it on those hard to reach nuts.
Yet another great video Ray but most importantly have yourself a great day
This brought back memories of one of my first car repairs, I was about 13, the exhaust manifold on our 69 Ford F250 had cracked, my dad and I replaced it. I thought I was pretty big stuff getting to turn wrenches on a real repair!
So happy to see the end part of yesterday's video! It left me hanging. So much fun to watch a master at work. Much Doge, Many Power.
Zip Ties, one of man's greatest inventions. Right up there with the wheel.
And the pry bar
@@beavis1513 Amen, brother.
This is the reason I prefer OEM parts instead of aftermarket. Sometimes simple bolt on installations is not that simple. OEM stuff you just know it's going to work when time is of the essence.
No need to apologies, we love long and multi part videos.. Keep them coming .. 😃
I opted for JBA ceramic coated for my 04 ram 1500. I dispensed with the kit gaskets and bolts and used oem gaskets and 4.6-5.4L Ford stainless steel stud and flange nut set. The flange nuts are serrated, one time use. The serrations keep the nuts from loosening. I did use aluminum anti seize on the studs. I may have used one 40mm steel stud and one 10mm copper nut in the hole very close to one of the runners, I can't remember. It's been 4 years, no problems.
Metal zip tie would also be a good choice, they work well
That was my first thought. HD and Lowe's carry them in the HVAC area.
Ray has the patience of a Saint and the calmness of a monk. I would have lost my shit at the first broken bolt.
I would have been screaming at the truck for having something mundane like that break at 50k miles. That would have really chapped my ass. It's not like it's the 70's anymore where that was just expected. Especially since it looks like this fella takes pretty good care of his truck. But...Chrysler...you know...they saved 17 cents per truck by going cheap on the manifold bolts.
Thanks Ray for a fantastic video 😁 keep fixing vehicles and keep smiling 😜
I want to "Thank You!" for teachin me about these sensors on the newer atuomobiles. I had a code po172 come up on my 2011 Chevy Impala. The auto parts store took me that it was a mass air sensor but I know it's not right because it's running rich on bank 1. It's goin to the garage Monday mornin to have it scanned again and repaired. Hace a awesome sunshine state of a day! We're watch y'all all the time.
As a long time header user, I have found the gray muffler sealer extends life of gaskets tremendously, also, a heat cycle and retighten is mandatory. I also cut flanges between tubes with hack saw to get them to not warp so badly.
Wow, does that really work?
Does flange thickness matter in this technique?
I was going to mention, watching Edd China, he's always use a paste when putting exhaust pieces together.
@@tonyincs yes to all your questions. A company named appliance headers back in the 70s had 3/8 thick flanges and separate for each tube or group of tubes. I never had them leak
Once you know something works, it is a whole lot easier to just do it up front. Rather than spend another whole day getting that damn headers out and back in again to try to fix a problem you knew was going to arise every time. On my 454’s, even with the best technique, if I get 6 months of hard towing duty between having to change gaskets I feel like I have won.
I think one issue is that Ray does not own these parts and has been hired to install them, not modify them. It happens that sometimes modification is necessary to fit such parts, but if the part fits without modification we can expect that is how it will be done. In any event it seems like a nightmare.
here you are.....I was waiting all morning, RAY! lol
SRY had some personal things for the past couple of days
@@RainmanRaysRepairs i was just messing with ya man. I understand, I usually listen to your videos in the morning when I’m getting ready for work so I figured something came up. I still need to send this package I’ve had for you. It has a lot of tools in it!
@@tjbrower yea dude it’s been a bad week so far. We had our Ridgeback put down yesterday. Had her for 11yrs 😭🦮 That was a hard hole to dig
@@RainmanRaysRepairs that's tough to hear. I'm sure your dog had an amazing life because of you! They are beautiful animals, how big did yours get?
@@RainmanRaysRepairs
My sincere condolences, Ray and family.
Sometimes you just want the owner to be right there to see what you have to do! These videos clearly show why labor is costly! Appreciate your honesty on these!
Longer videos are nice Ray! Too funny how you saved the Bew for the very end!!!
If ever there was a job to hire out to a professional shop, this is it. OTOH, it looks like they fit well.
Nice job Ray.
Manifolds are like the one thing I don't want to do either, I'm bitting the bullet and letting a shop deal with that, lol.
Should be fun going forward.....header bolts tend to back off at first. I used locking header bolts when I had my Camaro.
wow that was fast the second part was waiting for it THANKS RAY
Don’t forget to take it for a ride before you connect to exhaust pipes ride around with an open header see how loud it is that’s what we always did when I was younger
After ten to twenty heat cycles the customer needs to check the torque on those header bolts.
Very tedious, but finally success!! Great video as usual 😊 Everyone don't forget to remember to have a great day!! Greetings from Lake City 🇺🇸🌴😎
Ray, you've become how I spend my lunch breaks now. My problem solving horizons are constantly growing through your content as I fan the flames of a home shop.
i always watch your videos i love the content and i love the honest work you do all the time thank you sir for being a honest mechanic and such a real person
Let us see how this works out after a few weeks of install. Those shorty kits are usually more of a pain in the ass with very minimal if any gains at all.
Come on. It's obvious that the owner of this truck knows more about this engine than the people who designed it.
I work in a restoration shop and we hate headers,it's all downhill with them on
Headers are a decent gain on a 5.7 hemi.
@@mraycgz show me your before and after dyno sheets then I will believe you
@UCxjklUT7SIspVX-GWXQUzLA ahh the ass dyno no printout available 😆
Looks like a pain to go back and recheck manifold bolts
So glad you took us along on the test drive.
Welcome to my world! I have a 2014 Ram 2500 5.7 hemi that like ALL of them had an exhaust manifold leak and broken bolts on the right side first... now the left side is starting to make noise! I wish I had a machine shop nearby that could resurface the cast iron manifold and solve the problem forever! Those shorty headers are a waste of $$ in my opinion.
Stainless steel tie-wraps might be helpful for manifold insulation alternative to wire.
I don't know about you Ray,but I miss the old days when you could LITERALLY crawl inside the engine bay and work on an engine with all kinds of room! So much for those days,aye?
There are no mistakes, just opportunities
This takes me back to when I had my 2010 Dogde Avenger. A peice of crap to work on, but drove like a Cadillac after, lol. The smallest problems always stalled my progress, like having to remove the whole knuckle for a ball joint replacement, because the press tool was a mm too big. Big fan dude, it's good watching a pro do it and not have grease up his nose after.
As the owner of a '14 Ram with a hemi I've thought about replacing my stock manifolds with headers when and if the studs break. That ain't happening after watching you struggle! Stock manifolds forever! Thanks for sharing your misery so the rest of us can make life-improving decisions.
"And if"... haha, you were fine with just "when", it will happen. Don't be afraid of the headers, this was a fairly trouble free install. If it doesn't develop a leak in the next few years, it's a win. That driver's side leak issue is just as likely with the stock manifold replacement. If you do get the broken studs on stock manifolds, replace the gaskets, bolts/studs, and have the manifolds decked/planed. Don't use new manifolds or you'll rinse and repeat.
Pro tip - a lil dab of JB Weld on the 4 corners of the gasket will hold the gasket in place, allowing you to locate the bolt holes on the headers. Aquarium silicone works in a pinch also. Lastly I should mention that I’m a investment banker at my day job.
Duke, when I have to hold a gasket in place I like to use Elmers rubber cement. You can put it on both surfaces and let it dry and it will stick or just put it on one surface and hold it there for a couple seconds and it will stay, also cleanup is simple, just rub any excess and it balls up and is gone.
I use it on my riding mower’s decals, when I power wash it the decals will sometimes come off and I use the rubber cement to put them back on. Works good!
@@Hoaxer51 you’re a true man of innovation! I appreciate the tip.
I have done so many engine swaps and rebuilds?
Laying on a sheet of ice stabbing a transmission in held up by a 2x4 sitting on paint cans…
Can’t believe I enjoy watching your videos?
Very entertaining, thank you.
You do some great work there ray. You are awesome love your channel keep up with the great videos.
I seriously thought being a garage mechanic that I was the only one that turned bolts like this in super hard to reach places and that “the pro’s” had better tools for this… guess not. 😆
With headers I believe you have to drive it to fully heat saturate the heads and headers, then retighten the bolts.
That was a really tough job and you did it keeping your cool. You are the man of the hour. Sure hope he doesn't ever want them taken off.
Good job staying positive Ray, on a tough job like this it makes all the difference in the world.
Yeah, I would have rolled that thing outside and left the keys in, especially if it were mine...
Ray, I hope you were paid for the actual time it took you to do the job! If I were the customer, I'd have also thrown in a case of your favorite bottled brew after doing that job for me! I just recently went through job on a cracked rear manifold replacement on a old 3.0 V6 Camry, so I was feeling some of your pain as on top of the struggles I also live in the rust belt!
Manifold/header removal/replacement equals busted knuckles aplenty! LOL
Damn ray that was a special kind of hell. Good work getting it done
They sell heat shielding with a fiber glass with external foil insulation sleeving in rolls that you could slide over the heater hoses after disconnecting one end on each hose. Plus they sell heater hose by the foot at the part store if you wanted to totally run the hose away from the exhaust.
Wrenching be hard. Go Rainman!
wouldnt have been easier to cut that long bolt down instead of a spacer it would have also given more room for the socket ps great job
If I paid someone to install my headers and saw that nut on a bolt mess I would ask for a discount on the labor. That is OK on your personal car but never should be done to a customer's vehicle.
It's what I would have done. . . . . . .
Should have either cut the bolt to size or gotten another bolt of the correct length. If I had paid to have headers like this installed, I would not be happy with a nut as a spacer, where a spacer should not be.
Or a few washers
No, that was not the problem.. Listen: 35:04 The shank is the smooth part of the bolt that has no threads. In other words, he did it because he ran out of threads to properly seal the leak. Cutting the bolt shorter would have solved nothing,
Great job Ray. Your patience is amazing Especially with those stupid flangey bolts and header bolts
Anothah!! great video Ray. I work in HVAC and just today was replacing a gas valve in a fireplace and had the same space issues. Part-turn, flip wrench, part turn, repeat until madness sets in! All the while thinking "Don't let the engineers win!" Oh and just an idea, I would totally use a Ray "Doodly doo de doo" ringtone on my phone! Keep killing it brother!
Hey Ray thanks for the second part of the header install. You do excellent work. Your universals AKA floppy sockets really take a beating for sure obviously top quality tools must be made in the USA 🇺🇸. THANKS AGAIN FOR THE VIDEO BROTHER. Stay safe and be well. Be looking forward to tomorrow's video!!
Meticulous work and attention to detail.
Hard work - I could watch it all day!
One question. Why use bolts and not studs with copper nuts?
I'm not even halfway through this video and it is already very painful I'll feel for you Rainman. I FEEL YOUR PAIN
This reminds me a lot of my experiments with custom PC watercooling with dual radiators, one of which is crossflow. Always fun to try to fit things that screw into place in places where it is darn near impossible to get fingers or tools to them.
I've done the same.
I enjoy watching your videos, they're very entertaining. I enjoy watching a lot of these shade tree, backyard and independent mechanics.. I've actually picked up a few small things here and there. Even though technology has increased a lot and the automotive field has gotten a lot more complex you can still learn from these back yard or farm type mechanics.. they know how to make things work
Job security. Alot of work for 2.7649 hp gain
That’s it?!
@@standhd Maybe not even that especially if he didn't upgrade the downstream part of the exhaust system and do a tune on the computer. The other problem is that quite often with headers and exhausts both on cars and bikes is that what power gain there is is in an RPM range that you will almost never used on the street.
Friend of mine in Dallas does dyno tuning and he said that all too often people want headers installed but don't want to do a full tune and then come to find that their 800 to a $1500 parts and labor header system gaveless than 5 horsepower. It was always amazing to me the folks that would go through the effort to do the hardware but not the software.Back in the olden days everyone knew that header work also included carburetor work :)
He would advise them to do the whole job but if they chose not to he was a great believer in it was their money and they could spend it however they wanted.
@@stevewhite3424 Thank you for the response!
I love how the algorithm plays Ray directly after watching Just Rolled In every time. From gawd awful even dangerous to the complete opposite side of the spectrum on how it should be done. Loving it Ray, still learning.
The word you were trying to say Ray is in fact anecdote. Keep up the great work, thanks Ray!
Another great and informative video, timing couldn't be better. I'm about to do this on my Ram with the 5.7.
Did it make monster power after the upgrade? Yea, yea it was a leak repair but the shiny manifold looks faster.
Next he's going to have Ray put some 'speed holes' in the hood.
Those headers do look nice, probably not worth the hassle though.
Long tube headers add torque. Not sure about shorties.
Put the same bbk shortys on my ram for the exact same reason, had broken exhaust manifold bolts on both sides. Had to weld nuts to extract the studs also. I have gone through 3 gaskets on the driver side tried grade 8 locking bolts, stacking gaskets. Did the correct torque pattern and retorqued. Nothing gets rid of the exhaust leak.
It is always a pleasure to see you fighting with those bolts and studs because I feel less alone when fightings with mines :-)
I watched Ray this morning to give me motivation to change my transfercase fluid. Now I don't even want to touch a wrench.
You got lucky with removing those bolts. Mine broke off in the head enough where my mechanic had to remove the head. It’s such a tight area to work because they mounted the motor so low and far back behind the front axle between the frame rail. Good for weight distribution/center of gravity but not for working on it. We cut the dipstick tube and added a piece to make it longer to clear everything. The add and full line on the dipstick are in a different spot now 😂. We zip tied the two coolant lines to the ignition coil packs so they wouldn’t get burned. Sorta wish I went with long tube headers on mine instead of the shorties. It gained torque/hp, but nothing crazy. It’s a truck not a challenger scatpack so I didn’t want to throw a lot of money at it.
Ray didn’t get lucky with those broken bolts. It was all skill. 🥰❤️
Excellent pair of videos. I'll be doing this soon, thanks to this video 👌
2:45, you and I said “oh, no” at the same time. JYNX!
The flange bolts were getting hard to turn because of the heat from the running engine. Remember! All exhaust work cool and lubricated!
Couldn't you put the hardware in the freezer till you were ready for it? I'm definitely not a mechanic, but I am a thinkin man.
What a mistake. Will regret down the road if he keeps it . Will have many leaks down the road. Enjoyed the video. Keep it up . I went through those days many years ago
Generally speak this kind of engine mod is a waste of time/money. Yes, they look interesting when you open the hood, but the cons outweigh the pros by a long shot.
Hey thanks rainman for my winning prize 😁
Kind of brings me back to the first time I replaced broken exhaust manifolds/ cat converters with siezed and broken studs in the heads of an early ford escape 3.0l.
Ahh.. the memories!
I dont see the point of mods like this on a street truck
Yes, just a waste of time and money for the illusion of doing something better than what others have when the stock ones are good enough.
You gain a little bit of horse power and toque plus it sounds nicer than stock...you might spend your money on beer and cigarettes and other like doing this stuff....not your place to criticize what other do with their money.....and others won't criticize what you do....
Save the OEM headers it will be back in six months with Leaks and melted things
Why is that? Please explain.
@@standhd factory manifolds are already shorty headers + they don't rattle off and leak.
@@standhd millions of dollars has been spent on the engineering of this car. Putting in some thing that doesn’t belong Upsets everything working together. Something you only know when you’re older and you’ve owned a car with headers
@@KingSobieski those where a manifold not a header...a good header has individual tubes that are of equal length that are welded into a collector. A manifold just has a tube running down to each cylinder that has a mount for each exhaust port....
There are some cars like corvettes that had stock headers and were sought after by car enthusiast because of the performance and looks
@@standhd The BBK's are the low of the low end shorty headers for these Hemi's. Just do a search and you will see.
Excellent job Ray: The last time I installed exhaust headers it was a real bear. In my shop any custom work is performed on an hourly basis with no exceptions. I pray you didn't quote that job at 2hrs labor. TMP from N.J.
Hard job . It's running smoothly 👍👍
Come on Ray- cut 1/4" off the end of the bolt. Also that heater hose clamp could have been reversed to lift up the hoses.