The TWO SIDES of Amanda Seales
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Ep 220 | While Alvin is away doing the IPO for his locally sourced human sacrifice subscription service Josh and Eddy discuss:
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1:56 Biohazard Babies
5:45 the beauty of bringing children into the world
10:35 some babies are not good people
14:36 The TWO SIDES of Amanda Seales
25:50 is JERROD CARMICHAEL an asshole or living his truth?
46:19 is it a red flag if they're religious? - Komedie
"i wouldve failed a breakfast club interview" 😭😭😭 eddys too much omg
Actual Smart people don’t advertise it. People who constantly say that are just egotistical and insecure😏.. so they constantly put other people down to feel better than
Time stamp 23:20 Imma be real, as a Black woman, if I didnt bite my tongue on a daily basis I would have so many people who hate me and feel "conflict" with me. But at the same time, what's the cost? It just becomes built up anger and frustration. In that sense, I feel Amanda. We need to do better about giving Black women + NB folks a safe space to air their grievances without being considered hostile.
Having three kids has been the most demanding job I've ever had. That being said, it's also been the least thankful. But I love them.
If you do it right, all the thanks comes later when they’re fully grown adults with developed brains, or when the tables turn and they’re taking care of you
I'll be back later. The algo brought me while I was doing Jamaican stuff🌝🍿
Agreed. But only have one and I’m done
There's no such thing as "born evil." We are all born with vulnerabilities, whether those are genetic predispositions, neurodivergence, poverty, poor fetal development due to health and exposures in utero, etc. Babies develop personality and psychological response systems through environmental input - their caretaker. Their literal brains, synopses, are structured by their experiences in infancy, early childhood and through their "impressionable years" so that when you meet someone, a child, with behavioral problems, more times than not, that child did not have their needs met through those important stages of their development. Calling them inherently or innately "evil" is a very wrong way to respond to children who have been failed.
Exactly this. "Misbehavior is communicating an unmet need" -Supernova Momma
I see where you’re coming from, but, technically, “born evil” is what antisocial personality disorder is.
@@jessea.3883 my objection is largely the moral implications of the term "evil." It dismisses our responsibility as a society to protect children from the manifestations of poverty and to try to help vulnerable children to work within their ability, to feel loved and welcomed and to be proud of whatever contributions they provide. It's about identity and self-perception. "You're just evil" vs "let's work with these limitations and improve all of our lives."
Neurodivergence is genetic
The Bernie Mac show episode “Now you got it” is a perfect example of how kids make everybody around them sick.
😂
I remember that episode. I’m still uncomfortable with eating cake after someone blows out the candles to this day 😂
I'm an educator. I've met many a child that raises deep concerns. At least 4, 5 a year and I've been doing this for over a decade.
On the 'some babies are demons' topic, watch 'We need to talk about Kevin'. I don't know anyone who wants kids after watching that movie
I thought yall had a curt measured response on Amanda. I've seen a lot of people in the discourse who identify with her who want people to shut up listen and not disagree but I truly believe these are narcissistic "speak my truth" personalities. I especially feel for the black women or anyone who find themselves in situations like these because the world isn't made up of just allies or haters, and letting down your defenses and attitudes can make you whole. It's not often, but I feel bad when I meet someone like this in person, because I know they're just surrounded by dark, chaotic, egotistical energy that draining to be around lol
Alvin got goofy rap takes, but he's 100% necessary to keep the show moving and on topic.
That said, I can completely relate to Josh's comments about talking to his stepfather. My father and I had to have a similar convo in my early 20s. There was A LOT of awkward silence that would not have made for good media.
Literally not everything needs to/ should be content
You guys should watch the entirety of Jerods reality show. Each episode is different and speaks of different aspects of his life. Like the episode with his father…….
-They were on a road-trip to South Carolina Jerod and his fathers birth place.
-His father cheated on his mother and created another family of 4, and said nothing.
-jerod and his sibling (his fathers second family) went to school together and didn’t even know about eachother.
-Jerods childhood bestfriend told him that his father was cheating, because he saw him at his aunties house.
-As young adults jerod and his siblings made their father confess to their mother about his infidelity and they stayed married.
Now in present time Jerod came out as gay. He financially supports his parents and they don’t really speak to him. The entire episode is interesting. Should Jerod have “cornered” his father and “exploit family secret”? Probably not, but this is his show and he wants to give the “raw” truth. I think his comedy and show is “healing” to him, it’s his way of speaking his “unadulterated” truth. Does the show show him in the best light? Most definitely not, but this is the portrayal of him that he his happy with the world seeing.
Sorry for the long comment 😭
Also I love the podcast I’ve seen almost every episode. 😭❤️❤️
I totally agree with, very well said
My 9 mon son is eating yogurt while ya talk about babies 😂 it’s everywhere !!
I wish Amanda would just lean into the "mean girl" image. I think theres space where she can cultivate that and still prosper.
"How can I be the mean girl when it's your set? You can just fire me."
*No* logic in that sentence.
Chevy Chase was a dick on Community and he didn't own it. You can absolutely be a mean cast member on set.
And sure, she CAN just fire you, but how does that look to the higher-ups? Switching cast members mid/between-seasons? The fans will talk, rumors spread. Instability is bad for business. Is that a good look for Issa? Does Issa want to rock the boat that hard? There's a big gap in this story, and it's "what type of things was Amanda saying to get people to call her a mean girl on set in the first place?"
Depending on what was said, maayyybe you can chalk it up to Autism, but just rattling off a history of times people were mean to you as a kid doesn't excuse any mean shit you do as an adult.
That being said, Issa thinking of Amanda as the character Issa wrote is wild.
Chevy Chase is a white man, let's not pretend like that doesn't dictate how much people will allow him to get away with versus what they would allow from someone like Amanda. Even her simply being a woman means society expects her to always be agreeable and in a pleasant mood, or be deemed a diva or difficult.Meanwhile, we let men get away with anything and say "ohh boys will be boys" 😑
And Amanda ain't dumb, she's not about to be a mean girl at her workplace or to Issa. She knows who signed her checks.
Based on Amanda’s pattern, we don’t even know if Issa actually said that to her…🤥
Comparing Chevy to Amanda is crazy. He was the most famous person on that set lmao
@@creshiell that's still not relevant because again it's not his show. It's not centered around him nor we're decisions made through him or to cater to him.
@@moballardful clearly decisions were made to cater to him. Because he was a dick. And didn't get fired. You're buggin if you can't understand that it was his star power that protected him, not just oh people can act however they want and they're not usually fired lmao
“A baby is like a DAWG” 😂
I can't agree that only religious influence can cause certain evil actions. Won't say they haven't been used, but to say it could only happen is a bit arrogant on that person's part. Cause they are also saying the humanity has a natural goodness and nobility that simply is corrupted.
I think that's why America is generally and historically has been pro-Israel. Being anti-Israel is typically more of an Islamic/Radical Islam belief. At least in the religious competitive field. One hand washes the other. Everybody I know brings up Jesus more times than not even in the lack thereof a belief system. People are shook by Jesus, period.
I think the movie yall were talking about with Ving Rhames is Animal 🤔
Idk what the context is for the Jerrod convo with his dad, but filming it is kinda wild lol.
“Diversity, Inclusion and Some Shit”
DISS - I like this version better! 😂
I haven’t watched any episodes of the Jerrod charmical show but I feel like he’s risking / hurting a lot of his relationships by filming such intimate and vulnerable moments…
He has explained that cameras make him feel accountable
49:00 LOVE the Hitchens shoutout and breakdown, I'm a big fan. (Nazis were explicitly not atheist, fyi. Under the Gleichschaltung (Nazification) process, Hitler attempted to create a unified Protestant Reich Church from Germany's 28 existing Protestant churches. The plan failed. Persecution of the Catholic Church in Germany followed the Nazi takeover, and Hilter was very hostile to the Catholic leadership and the Vatican, but Germany was far too overwhelmingly Protestant of a country for the Nazis to ever be openly atheistic.)
They were Nationalists.A mix of Christian and Nordic cult beliefs. The national religion of Germany is totally different. That's where people misinterpret what Christianity is supposed to be. In any event gotta hold your nuts and have that same energy for Islam😂
@@ReshonBryant Agree with you, they were something funky, just not atheist. As for Islam, I live in the US and have got a ton of crap from Christian friends for being an atheist and no crap (thus far) from my Muslim friends. My best friend is a practicing Muslim and they are the most chill 'live and let live' person I've ever met.
@@FishareFriendsNotFood972 yeah, they definitely weren't atheist. Not pure Christians by any stretch either. There are some decent Muslims out there too. I'm German btw. I don't think the general public realizes it's an arm's race between Christianity and Islam. That's more or less what is left of religion in these modern times.
@@ReshonBryant Fight the power, convert to Satanism 🤡
First of all, y’all petty for using Amanda’s picture as a thumbnail and only discussing her for 10 minutes. lol. 😂
On a serious note, I watched the interview and thought to myself that I’m sure there’s validity in what she’s experienced with people. One major theme I’ve picked up on with her is that she’s very intelligent and aware of the world, but she lacks self awareness-big time. Something I believe that people struggle with is being able to hold two truths at once. Most of us are extremely complicated, but are also reluctant to see others as complex and nuanced individuals. That said, Amanda is an example of what a lack of self awareness looks like. She has rehearsed a narrative about how she is perceived so much that she looks for instances to affirm that narrative. I am inclined to provide grace, however, because I would imagine that she arrived at that station because she is misunderstood.
I noticed before the 2nd think piece, Amanda discussed reflecting on how she contributed to certain dynamics and was reflective. But by the 3rd think piece they backed her into a corner and she went into protection mode. I cannot IMAGINE having your community spend weeks talking about how much they don’t like you on a public forum. We know not everyone will be for you but damn, my mental health would be in shambles at this point. She didn’t unalive or slap someone’s momma, she just happens to be an easy target for reasons I don’t think we’re ready to talk about here…
Like niggas will welcome the worst of the worst but Amanda seales is irremediable smh
But she didn't just out of the blue become a target for those articles. She invited the criticism by going live and complaining about being "uninvited" into black spaces. They simply responded to her and they weren't exactly hit pieces like she is portraying. They were constructive criticisms. She completely ignored the his things about her that they also highlighted. IJS
Jerrod’s show seems self destructive. And many moments feel exploitative and unethical. I think maybe that’s what Josh was pointing out despite Eddy’s dismissiveness. It’s hard to understand if you haven’t seen the show. The shit is a dumpster fire and people are lowkey watching in horror.
I gotta check it out. And damn, you fine widdit!!!
1:34 This should be a clip. Also I would have loved to hear all three of your takes on this topic☹️
Its crazy how the first minute of yall talking about Amanda is simply... "Her problem is she's autistic" Cuz like yall what you're describing is literally the disability. Social deficit. Do we want to live in a society where we criticize ppl for being disabled or accommodate them? Its a simple choice.
It's funny cuz everyone is basically saying that about her but don't even know how to talk about autism. Don't even know about nor care about the adverse experiences black autistic people experience. It's honestly so hard to watch.
Granted, yall have been THEE most generous with her that I've seen, cuz I've seen nasty stuff about her fr. But like saying "everything's not black and white" yall that's literally in the dsm5 criteria for autism 😂 And that's not to say binary thinking is always useful, but it can be extremely necessary defense mechanism when you've experienced alienation from people for just being yourself. It's important as an autistic person to be able to completely disengage from someone when you understand that they just don't like you lmao. Like Shannon got defensive Amanda because he put her defense up. It can help you protect yourself from being friends with people who don't really like you (Issa Rae), or being in relationships with people who want to take advantage of you (that bf she had that she was bankrolling)
I also appreciate yall not getting into the self-dx convo cuz alot of ppl are speaking out of their ass around that 😒
Olurinatti with Olay and friends made a video about it a month ago that is my definitive take on Amanda's situation, if you haven't seen it, you should, they're lovely
@@creshiell Love them too! Thanks!!
I'm not understanding why Jerrod filming this interaction is a bad thing? If it's my trauma I'm allowed to capitalize off of it
20:00 Can someone explain what he means here
21:07 yep!!!
Okay maybe I’m misremembering things but didn’t Amanda lie on that black surgeon? What happened with that again I’m getting old
I think Josh was coming from a HEAVILY Abrahamic religion standpoint. But I would love for y'all to dive deeper into that convo. Particularly, the vile acts that religion spurs on. I've been reading the Dune series by Frank Herbert and the second book really dives into the points that Eddy raised about atrocities needing a religious (or political) sanction to get otherwise normal, stable humans to commit.
I mean there's no football team called the Buddhists. We do got two professional viking teams. Historically, connected to Nordic gods, White supremacy, and believe it or not, Nazis.
Idk if it's just me but it feels like Eddie's been weirdly condescending in some of the latest episodes and it sometimes ruins the vibe for a moment.
No but Josh's weird takes and demeanor has been unsettling to me for a while. Him saying some babies are evil, and then saying he's never actually met any evil babies 😑 dude is strange. It's like he just says anything and then backpeddles when he realizes what he said was ridiculous, in real time.
He's being condescending because Josh says dumb shit o f t e n lmao It's not easy to be gentle 24/7, sometimes you just gotta be real and move on. Josh is strong, and he knows he's wrong when he's wrong, he handles it
Completely agree
I think people don’t like Amanda because she’s right most of the time and not humble about it. (I’m not saying she should be). People don’t like being around a person who always has the answers. A very broad oversimplification of this is sending memes to a friend who has already seen them and also saw the original context and then proceeds to explain it all to you. You can’t have that spontaneous moment of discovery or hilarity with a person who has already been there and done that. The only way around this when you’re highly intelligent and well read is limiting your interactions to people who are much smarter than you, or just learning that not everything needs to be said all the time and sometimes social politeness requires you to minimize yourself to allow other people to be able to take up space. Because what was she wrong about? People are literally disagreeing with her personal experiences that they weren’t a witness to and disagreeing with her feelings/perception.
And last thing about that is Alvin does the social grace thing ALL the time on this pod. You can tell he knows things but he won’t say anything or if he’s prodded to he will give a quick high level spiel and then move on. On the other hand when Eddy, who is more like Amanda, knows something he seems to ALWAYS say it or correct someone even if it diverts the conversation. Just my humble observation.
This is a good perspective that I haven’t considered. 🤔
She also lacks to ability to admit fault, it’s always someone else
>"I think people don’t like Amanda because she’s right most of the time and not humble about it. "
I think people are picking up on her narcissistic traits. 1) She frequently said to be difficult to work with by practically all of her coworkers, but never says she's plays a role in why 2) She self-aggrandizes regularly throughout the interview (and elsewhere), and the reason she basically gives for why people don't like her is because of her positive traits (e.g. I'm always right) and their low self esteem.
What seems more likely that from school to 42 years old, in practically every single environment she's in multiple people strongly dislike her because they have low self esteem or "she's always right", or she has a toxic personality and lacks self awareness?
Josh and Eddy diplomatically discuss that perhaps she's engaging in rationalization.
Now, I don't claim to be as intelligent as Amanda Seals lol. However, I've always been a smart girl, and my super power has always been logical and critical thinking. I am an analytical person and I also stand for what is right. I've been known to be a good friend who doesn't do things to ppl I wouldn't want done to me. I'm also, unfortunately, usually right a lot of times. The younger me was more direct and "militant" about my opinions. Now, these things about myself, I know to be my "quirks" that can annoy people. We all have traits that are not "likeable" and those are mine. Even still, at the same time, I am extremely empathetic, and my intuition is strong. I am an extroverted person that is generally well liked...always. Being a young self-righteous vocal person never left me in a position where folk just didn't get me. Though, I have had some levels of issues with "insecure" ppl. I can recognize a few things I have in common with Amanda. Asside from not being g as smart or artistically dynamic as she is, the biggest difference that we have that makes me instantly likeable and seems to make her instantly unlikeable is that she seems to lack emotional intellect... the ability to read the room and the ability to not take up all the space in the room. She said she feels she has to make herself "small" in order to be liked by others. That's a problem. Because that is her reality but the TRUE reality is that she may treat the room like they aren't as smart as she is and because she is so smart, she can't leave room for the thoughts and opinions of others. She is also very wordy and it leads me to believe that she doesn't often sit back to allow others to shine. She accepts no responsibility for her part in any situation...sometimes we are pure victims for sure but most situations, even when we are a victim, we have a part we play. When we are able to recognize those things we are better equipped for future similar situations... anyhow...im going on and on, but all of this to say that she strikes me as problematic for many reasons. (Excuse typos)
34:00 Josh I'm with you. Eddie was playing devil's advocate too hard on Jerrod's dad's conversation and reaction.
She’s exhausting. I would pay to watch her in a reality show with JLo as a roommate
I can't wait for Alvin's take on Euphoria. Kendricks delivery wasn't it, but the actual lyrics were nice
Soon as I head it I immediately thought of Alvin. I still listen to like that but this one had to be a warning shot before the real banger.
What’s the time stamp for the hip hop talk?
I also think this is a terrible take! Completely dismissing her autism diagnosis and just piling on the Amanda hate train 😢
She diagnosed herself
Well, on that note I'm not one of those to just believe all the bad things said about her. Did she do something's people don't like? Probably. Does it mean she always doing things people don't like? Not at all. It's the classic case of you effed up in said area and now everything you did gets scrutinized with a side eye. #NoDiddy🌝
As a dad, it’s probably not a good thing to have the real conversation with your kid. I’m not gone tell you your mama said she was on birth control or that I gave her money for an abortion and she said f me. She came up to my job acting crazy trying to get me fired. Mad things could have happened and the child will only know the mom’s POV. It’s so many dynamics in relationships and I’m not sure it makes sense to fully explain your perspective to a child, even after they are an adult. Everybody does things for a reason, good or not.
Terrible commentary y'all should throw in the red flag for real..don't quit your day job boys