Your "Icks" are Just the PATRIARCHY
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Ep 184 | The boys get into:
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2:20 Wife wants to fuck her ex one last time @tahirmoore @PatrickCloudChannel @DamInternetYouScary
6:40 where do you really rank in her DICK ROSTER?
19:20 who is the hottest male in the game
26:43 Is 72 VIRGINS even enough??
32:14 gifts on the first date is a LOVEBOMBING red flag?
43:46 Are men SASSY now?
52:48 50/50 dating is a scam
54:50 Icks are just the patriarchy coming from WOMEN
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so AJ is just gonna sit there with that fresh fade and thinks we're not gonna notice??
What Alvin doesn’t seem to understand is that you being secure enough in your masculinity to not care if your girl as an “ick” is not even remotely the point, with all this red pill bs that these young men are being fed, the last thing we need to be telling them is that women want them to show toxic masculinity.
Understanding that Women also play into patriarchy helps make the bigger problem of it more noticeable. Everyone is affected.
red pill isnt “bs” its merely information. understanding the world for what it actually is. what people _do_ with that information is an entirely separate discussion. like, its not bs to tell men that most marriages end in divorce and that roughly 80% of all divorces are initiated by women. thats just facts. what you decide to do after knowing that is on you. the problem in this space is that you have PUA selling people on red pill flavoring so they can sell dating courses, but just because PUAs are a piece of the scene, they do not define the entire spectrum.
also nobody has to “tell” men that women want “toxic masculinity,” because WOMEN are showing that thru their actions and selection of men.
many men are on social media saying “hey im a good guy, a gentlemen, i got flowers, etc why did she blow me off to go back to her good for nothing ex who cheats on her? what am i doing wrong?”
and the answer to those men is not “keep being nice to women, and one day itll work” because its BS advice.
the fact of the matter is that woman need good guy qualities, but they _desire_ bad boy qualities, _too._ it just so happens that the only spaces in the internet that tell men that being “nice” wont attract women is the redpill spaces.
But some do? That's literally how a patriarchy works.
@@angelolagussa1312 I was gonna say this. We're all raised up in the same society, and what men are told to be woem nare told to desire, and so some women (#notall) will inevitably have a toxic, rigid standard for what a man should be and what men they're attracted to. The lesson being not that men should thus just conform to toxic masculinity, but rather drill home that those women are also toxic and the men should embody a healthy masculinity and the women who want it toxic can change their preferences and get onboard or gtfo.
As a dude I aim to deny patriarchy in myself as often as possible. If a woman gets an ick thats a her problem. I am trying to move through life without my life focusing around the idea of being with a woman romantically.
Eddie made a great point about not needing to communicate every single thought and being conscientious about how our expressions affect others.
Not sure if you guys have been told this, but i feel like the pod's been leveling up. Everyone's contributing a lot more evenly, and it feels like everyone's growing together. I'm also coming away with more as well. Keep going!
So, speaking for myself only. I don’t really have a hierarchal list of best to worst lovers. How much I enjoy sex depends heavily on how I feel about the person and where I am personally/emotionally. I’ve spent the block on my “best” lovers and it’s never as good as remembered.
"You're dying so I'm already winning " by far is the craziest take Naw "that's dark but fair" is maybe crazier
Most women in relationships don't compare who they're with to an ex. If she's doing that, she's not that into you.
Regarding sex, I COMPLETELY agree that generally the partner that we are in a relationship with is generally not the person who was best in bed. Women accept trade-offs, and sex is often lower on the list of requirements.
Honestly though, men will claim they want to be the best without being like Alvin and specifically asking where they can improve. Every woman is different, so ego has no place in creating a great sex life for both parties.
I learned about icks from love island UK and most of the time their icks were the guys making a girl cry or just a guy overall being an ass by yelling or kissing / dating / or flirting with all of the girls on the show. It feels like it was hijacked to just nitpick at men's masculinity from the way it's being described for this trend. But to be fair this could also be the impact of some of those women being affected by the whole manosphere trends on tiktok as well. And as Josh said, patriarchy has no gender.
See, when Eddie said "in an average, healthy conventional relationship, lets live in the lie about it a little" thats exactly why i cant get behind monogamy for myself. Like if those words left my mouth i would be rethinking my entire life. "Healthy" and "living in the lie" are not two things that are compatible in my mind. I dont think insecurity is a moral failing tbh, but i would never choose to Live in a situation built on insecurity that i felt so strongly like that. The idea that i would rather play pretend about something i know is a lie than admit my partner has had other good love outside of me? How afraid would I have to be of myself and how I stack up to be more afraid of my partner having had a good life (romance or sex wise) before or after me than of living my life constantly in a lie?
I would rather feel joy for my partners other connections in life- and if that wasnt a feeling i could muster for whatever reason, and i felt myself approaching that kind of fear and insecurity that is so consuming that i would prefer her to be lying to me while she fucking died?? I would rather be single than live like that. It would be much better to be on my own than to live an actual admitted lie all the time.
Maybe im sensitive to that shit bc im queer, maybe there's other reasons to be monogamous (there must be bc if all of you are doing that shit?? Be free be single why are you doing that), but that reasoning Eddie specifically had right there is sooo haunting to me. The idea that people would rather live a lie than work on that feeling of insecurity and be vulnerable and truthful with each other... It feels like all my parents relationships and older family members went wrong specifically bc of that problem at the core
Edit: I also think its absurd to assume that your partner would hear you say no to this hall pass situation and then like. Not respect that. Like the dedication you guys have here to lies and secrecy being more ideal is baffling. If I was that afraid of a partners honesty, then I couldn't have any kind of relationship with them. The image presented here of ideal relationships and monogamy is "lying cheating and keeping everything bottled up and secret is better than just asking and seeing if its okay" and if I genuinely felt the way you guys feel I would never be with anyone. The world you are presenting of ideal conventional dynamics to me would be completely dystopian if I felt the feelings you guys felt
Well said.
exactly. so well said
Agreed
I don't think it's as much as living in a lie and more so just not really thinking about it. You'll never like everything about a person, but the good traits have to outweigh the bad. and even then it's under the assumption that there are either good or bad things about someone, never middle ground.
I’m queer too and I couldn’t agree with you more. Also I have had open relationships in the past and really enjoyed them. Rather than sneaking around or not being honest; I prefer for both parties to be upfront and communicate our wants & needs, before possibly working slowly towards opening up a healthy monogamous relationship and working thru whatever jealousy/insecurity issues that may arise. I feel like it is much more honest (and enjoyable tbh). Communication, security and trust are key components in any relationship but ESPECIALLY in safe/healthy open or poly relationships.
Did Alvin get an expensive skin treatment, because he is GLOWING!!! Okay masculine makeover, we see you! 😅
This episode was hilarious. Almost turned it into a drinking game and took a shot every time someone said something outta pocket and someone else responded with "That's crazy" 😂
Also, Alvin looking clean af 🫡
I partially disagree with Eddie when he says that top tier dudes with me too cases is evidence that women have wider access. I feel like the me too cases are more of men wanting to flex their patriarchal/toxic power and take whatever they want, regardless of the other person's desires.
This is conjecture, but I think there's something to it.
No youre totally right. Sexual violence isn't about attraction, its about power entitlement and control
Sassy just mean, she dont agree with you and you proved her wrong so your sassy. Or she feel rejected and her ego cant handle it so your sassy
More or less. It's just weaponized homophobia. They and we know exactly what they're doing when they employ that term. Same as when Fox News uses their dog whistles for Black and brown, folk.
In the terminally ill case, if you choose to cheat to avoid hurting your partner's feelings, would it not be worse for them to find out after you've passed and can't justify your actions? I feel like the wound that'd open up would be far worse and more ambiguous than any kind of insecurity y'all could work through while both people are alive 🤔
If she fucks some one now; I’m not waiting until you are dead, Imma fuck someone else too. The day you fuck your ex. All bets are off. Have your ex take care of you, after that
You said it better than my run on sentence of a paragraph
That's assuming they find out though. If my wife/gf tells me she's gonna do it and does, then I'm left with:
1. Knowing/thinking she probably thought about him while we had sex
2. His sex was so much better than mine that instead of asking to travel, have a certain experience, etc, she wanted to die with his dick in mind
So not only am I struggling with grieving you while you're alive, I now have to grapple with feeling betrayed and disrespected while still caring for and loving you to the best of my ability. It's very human and understandable on her side but it leaves the partner with so much baggage that they will not be able to work through within that last 9 months or maybe even ever. To be clear, I'm not advocating cheating or have a strong opinion either way. I'm just expanding on a point
@@RiccoVanWilder interesting point. i do wanna push back a little
that’s definitely placing the responsibility for your feelings on another person. and that’s where the powerlessness is; you are fully capable of processing your feelings and honestly you’re the only one that can
in this scenario she was mature and caring enough to come to her partner with this request, her partner can be just as mature in figuring out how to sit with their emotions and process them.
your boundaries stop once you’re trying to control someone’s else behavior.
i think you could ask yourself why your partner wanting to have sex with someone else (in this hypothetical scenario) feels disrespectful to start unpacking those feelings. and if that’s a boundary for you, then you can decide how you’ll move forward
so if she makes the choice to go through with it, what can you control? just how you respond. do you stay or do you leave? your feelings are just little messages from your body, if you take the time to listen to them, you can figure out what you need to feel safe
@@RiccoVanWilderI’m not seeing where the betrayal or disrespect is? Is it part of your relationship contract that your gf never desires sex with or think about sex with another man, ever, regardless of her actions? If your gf chose you over their ex despite the ex being better in bed, are you turning down that relationship? These are questions you need to answer early on. And if the answer to either question is yes, you are gonna need to drastically reduce your pool of potential partners, plus you won’t be able to trust most people anyway because they don’t admit these things easily.
I love listening to you all, because it helps me understand how men are processing the current "feminist revolution." Plus you all are funny and have soothing voices.
I can’t believe the first takes. Like, this is the same mentality cheaters have with living people. Instead of having a convo about maybe opening up the relationship, they just cheat. That’s crazy
sometimes the "best" version of a sexual activity is less dependent on technique and more about the context. Like, was my first sexual relationship in high school actually amazing, or was it just that everything was new and exciting?
I think that saying your partner should cheat without telling the significant other first just because their ill is a bad idea. I think its bad because not only are you being unfaithful to the person you're already in a relationship with, but you're also taking away that person's autonomy to make a decision about whether or not they want to remain in the relationship knowing that you want to be unfaithful to them. I dont think you get a free pass just because you wont be around much longer. Besides you never know if your partner would be open to allowing you to cheat in that certain circumstance, communication when it comes to cheating is always a must because it gives both people the chance to get their needs met or the chance to find a way outside of the relationship to get their needs met.
Agreed.
I thought icks were just things people were slightly weirded or grossed out by. Like the first time I saw an ick video it was, "when he gets out the car and his but crack shows😖" I didn't know the girlies were calling men sassy🙄
I don't think the distinction between gift-giving and love-bombing is about price point so much. It's more about... can they throw it in your face later, accuse you of being ungrateful etc. Are they trying to make you financially dependent?
Like cigar girl just seems thoughtful and maybe observant. (I say maybe bc for all we know dude was wearing a shirt saying 'I LOVE CIGARS!' and every other sentence in his conversation was about the taste, smell and feel of different cigars and how the country of origin affects them etc)
I'm partial to the final point that Eddy makes at 24:40. Of course, in my mind I would love for my partner to be honest with me about what they want, but when it comes to emotional damage I would be grappling with from having the person who I've dedicated years of my life to I can't really see myself happy either way.
I don't really feel like there's a way to make that situation kinder to the person whom this favor is being asked of if the initial relationship was monogamous to begin with and has stayed monogamous for some important length of time. Tit for tat does not mean all parties end the transaction satisfied, let alone happy. Especially when one of them is made to live with the reality that at the end of it all, your S.O. chose someone else
By far y’all goofiest episode 🤣🤣 28:52
Eddy making a profit on dates is wild!!!!
Cracked me up
This is the funniest episode so far my god
I like ya cut, gee!
No further explanation needed 😂
Spend the last 9 months of your life with THAT nigga, ma'am.
✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿✌🏿
31:48 He said the Heirlooms too 🤣🤣
Am I the only one that thought about Half Baked when Eddy said he makes a profit on some dates?
"I made a profit" was crazy 😅😂
49:05 this makes sense, I see masculinity as the shape left behind when you carve away everything deemed "feminine." The moment a man takes a shape that doesn't match that, these women get that "ick." It's hard to experience the same in women when femininity is really just the leftovers of whatever's been carved off of "masculinity" this decade, until it changes in another 5-10 years as beauty standards and culture wars shift.
This is the first time I've ever heard the term 'pre-date'
27:55 they give them to you in a pacc of 72 🤣
Eddy is cracking me up
Josh's high voice 4:47 😂😂😂
When Eddy said Lee Pace, I had to rewind because THE TASTE 😙👌
Preach!
I do like Alvin, but dude will always jump through hoops to diminish any type of negative behavior women do. It always gets back to patriarchy and structural analysis. Bro do not have the same type of leeway for niggas. Let's call it an ick.
Its negative behavior brought on by patriarchy so its harder to blame women for the reaction in some cases.
@FireTrainer92 right I don't disagree, but patriarchy can't be the answer all the time. You can suffer in a patriarchal society but still exhibit shitty behavior collectively as women.
@@FireTrainer92 but the patriarchy is applicable to men too so there shouldn’t be a difference in critique to either gender
@PinocchioDread the following argument will probably be women suffer more in a patriarchal society than men do thus...
@@FireTrainer92true but women are willfully refusing to acknowledge how ridiculous their Icks are and don’t want to unlearn it because they think it’s not that serious
Is the discord only for Patrons? Great discussion, either way.
Hey, yes it's a community exclusive. Come through!!
I don’t know man. If a woman bought me a PS5 with an extra controller and a couple of games after the first date. I’m proposing to her 😂.
I wouldn’t marry, actually I’d either be good friends with you or just get nervous and leave
Eddy said sometimes I make a profit… bro 😭
That first topic just threw me for a fucking loop man wtf.
I feel like as the woman /terminally ill person you'd have to ask yourself "is this dick more important than maintaining a happy relationship with the person that was by my side this whole time."
Personally that feels like a spit in the face to me and I'm not going for it.
What if the ex says no... Now you extra hurt on top of me leaving you.
right what get's me is that out of everything you could possibly want before you die that's what she asked for?
Tons of chicks are obssessed with their exes that they "hate". Guys too but I don't date men. Those ones are for smashing then dashing, you gotta have self-respect.
29:45 olive oil
I’m not straight, I rarely comment, but straight up these dudes are funny asf luv the content, interesting and fascinating at the same time!
“I made a profit…” hahahahaha
Women absolutely have "icks" and all you gotta do is flip it. If mens icks are not performing to masculinity, women's icks are any time men have said the woman isn't wife material/motherly. Things like having guy friends, coming across overtly sexual/flirty, not being good with children. I think guys are more willing to overlook these things when there's a chance at getting laid, but these are def the critiques thrown at women who "aren't ready to be serious"
^^^^^^ youre totally totally right. One of those times where the podcast could have used, bare minimum, texting a woman to see what she thinks
Thats no where near as specific and stupid as treading water or chasing a ping pong ball.
@@whipthecamrylikeahellcat I don't know how you get more specific and stupider than "she talks to people"
Some other icks they have for women:
1. The color nail polish she wears- "if she got red nails she a hoe"
2. Short hair, dyed hair
3. Body hair
4. Saying "bro" a lot
5. Being into astrology
@@lucariojetwhich people? is it someone she's has relations with? compare someone's girlfriend still talking to their ex compared to someone treading water, be serious.
I will say, about the cancer woman...I really wonder if they'd have just opened the relationship (probably unsuccessfully) if she'd been healthy.
Sex with an ex isn't the same as a bucket list thing: bucket lists things are things you already planned to do but now have to rush doing because you see your end coming.
Plus like, entering a monogamous relationship you think will be successful is essentially going "I am only gonna have sex with this person til I die". What is it about dying sooner than you expect that changes the situation?
Shawty would’ve died single..or with that nigga either way she gotta go
1:06:00 Good outro today
50:57 I don't dream of servitude. 🤷🏿♂🤷🏿♀
37:00 I deadass don't do 'gifts' in general anymore until I know 100% the relationship is a lock-in. Even then, maybe not even till six months in if you're really something life-changing, the first year's anniversary otherwise. We don't do gifts when it's just playing around at dating and seeing if we click. Don't need the frankly, armchair DSM allegations that kind of thing can rustle up, and _especially_ don't need the person if they think I'm gonna risk that kind of thing for them; whether it's a misconstruing of my intentions in the moment, or if it's one of those diabolical-assed 'this is going to come back two years later in an argument or a tweetstorm'.
Alright hear me out... Whos feelings and experience is more important here? The dying woman, or her partner?
Im still not sure which tbh 😂
The woman because she’s on borrowed time. The man has his entire life ahead of him
Part of me is like, her destroying the pedestal is kinda nice cause when she does pass he can channel his grief into rage
I would say the women but the fact that she’s putting getting some dick over the feelings of her husband says a lot about her
@@soulsynthesissubjectNOOOO 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mental gymnastics to justify cheating and how she only settled for you cause her ex wouldn't take her back. Surprisingly common unfortunately.
Homeboy said he can't date a woman that benches more than him in a future podcast
The amygdalae bit was so funny lmao
29:00 maybe it's like a subscription plan and you get virgins restocked at the end of the month
Idk yall got me kinda paranoid now. I can't imagine marrying someone and not having ultimate sexual chemistry to the point they're thinking about an ex regularly. I rather be alone forever 😭
Don't be scared. That is a biased view point with no evidence to back it up. If you are madly in love with some and have a healthy relationship that is the best sex you have ever had. The love part of a relationship cancels out all this BS about rating the best you ever had. Relationships are about love and that's what makes the sex good.
Woman say "icks" when they previously found you attractive. But she now sees you on a complete different light, after seeing this "Ick"
Someone can do something or have a physical characteristic that will turn you off. Happens all the time, like Eddie Murphy seeing his ONS's gnarled feet the morning after in the film "Boomerang" and hot footing it out the door!
I'd say women also do the pre-date idea. They'll just want to do something fast, instead of cheap being the goal. So coffee or or one drink somewhere. It's also shooting themselves in foot before they've even met the person.
What people call "sassy" really is pettiness and passive aggressiveness. The women mocking men for being "sassy" first of all, that's just homophobia and it's their part in uplifting the patriarchy, but we have to consider that a lot of men operate on "unga unga" emotional levels. We've been demanding that men grow emotionally please please, and turns out, "unga unga" is kindergarten for emotions and the next level is "sassy." The next level is, emotionally, a mean ass 10th grader who spreads rumors that the girl she can't stand has "mouth AIDS" (that's not a thing) as payback for liking her boyfriend's pics on instagram. Women mocking sassy men are really mocking them for acting like women-which really means they're acting HUMAN, and both groups, in this context, are emotionally still teenagers who can't communicate in a way that isn't barbed. Pettiness and passive-aggressiveness require a person to be aware of how they feel, how exactly you did them wrong, and how exactly to respond in a way to illicit a similarly negative emotion in you out of revenge. A lot of men are getting sassy because the collective wish for men to become emotionally aware was actually granted-they're just as aware as these petty, passive-aggressive, immature, mean women. Maybe the next level of emotional maturity is some "as per my last email" shit where the passive-aggressiveness is wrapped up in Corporate Therapy Speak, and the final level is some Buddha shit where you can be honest and expressive, an active listener, and use proactive language to resolve conflict and meet needs in a way that's overall harm-reductive.
But really calling men sassy for every damn thing is just homophobia and licking the patriarchy's boots.
The Importance of (Eddy) Being Earnest :)
I might be a bit too non-monogamous to be impartial, but I feel like the dying woman probably was thinking about the ex already and built it up in her head. It wasn't something that seemed "possible", so it builds the taboo and the heat.
Suddenly, she's got a time limit and the perspective shifts rapidly without much consideration.
This, to me, would be a sign that not every aspect of monogamy was working for her all the time. That doesnt mean the relationship has to open up or she has to build up guilt around the attraction.
It's really just the tragedy of her dying that makes all that discussion between the couple feel pointless, and why she mightve just said, "fuck it, lets go out with a bang"
I say work through any ego issues healthily and then see if she also wants a threesome with the ex 🤷 Go on that journey with her. It might seem crude, but I feel like that's one potentially beautiful way to celebrate her life and your time together
I feel like she could have gave that husband the choice earlier. Husband now have to flip the whole script to not feel guilty about his honest feelings. I’ve done both monogamy and polyamory. Transparency is key on both and holding it to the very end is selfish. Being now in a monogamous relationship I’ve already built a perspective of the territory our of relationship. While with other partners I’ve had I would not care who they sleep with. because we already conditioned it to be that way.
why is there an ego issue on his part bc she chose contentment over what she might’ve actually wanted ? y’all always put the onus of being understanding in the monogamous person.
Not y'all only naming white men lol
Man, I would much much rather be told I’m not the best lover my partner ever had than be lied to and cheated on. Y’all are entitled to your fragile egos, don’t put this on all men.
Loving someone means wanting what’s best for them and their happiness. It’s not about elevating the well-being of your relationship over the individuals in the relationship. If a relationship isn’t working for you, fix it or leave it. Don’t prop up the relationship in the hopes that one day it won’t bother you anymore. Relationships aren’t people.
Self-respect. Sex is stll an important aspect of relationships... You're only fucking that one person unless you're poly which is out the door for most people.
Out of curiosity, why are women contributing to the patriarchy considered misogyny and not misandry.
I was gonna comment that earlier but felt like I must missed something lmfao
Patriarchy is a predominantly misogynist structure by its nature. We all suffer under it, but it's built to oppress specifically non-men the most. By trying to keep men in line with the definitions of masculinity, they help build more oppressors. It's the system "keeping itself in line".
I think it's probably also because the sassy behaviors are "female coded" and the behavior alone is enough to taint the man. Being even similar to a woman is enough to devalue a man under patriarchy
Its things that directly still harm them at the end of the day. If it was Misandrist they would have to mostly benefit.
@@PinocchioDread we gotta let this tired narrative go, women are depicted in a negative light all the time. idk where this idea of “women can do no wrong” “and that they get away with everything” came from but it’s not true in the slightest.
I believe that the phrase "women contributing to the patriarchy" usually refers to situations where women are critiquing/attacking men who are not performing a particular brand of masculinity rather than generally hating men. I haven't seen the referenced TikTok, but the waiter example is only an ick because, in this hypothetical person's eyes, you're not a real man if you're soft-spoken, have social anxiety, you're not the leader of the dinner table, or whatever reason the waiter didn't respond.
Does Eddy have pretty privilege?
Scream.ing🤣🤣🤣🤣LMFAOOOO
Where are people going to a movie, getting burgers, fries and possibly popcorn and NOT spending $100 on a date? I need to move to that city. Shit is expensive. Ladies have it easy when it comes to finances and dating. $100 is a minimum that most men are going to spend on a first date in the city.
I usually try to go for cheaper dates, hardly ever movies unless we’ve been dating a while.. I would never do a movie for a first date. I enjoy going to small cafes, unique boutique restaurants, museums, art galleries/installations, open mics, guitar shops, cool/old bookstores, unique shops, the lake, nature trails, rock climbing, small concerts, karaoke, wine tasting, arcades, go karts, golf driving range, salsa dancing, a cool class for couples- like pottery, painting, drawing, baking, cooking etc… there’s a lot of interesting cheap options that are way more fun than dinner and a movie, especially if you live in a big city or near a major university. But I guess it also depends on what kind of person that you go for.
Btw I have gone on these dates with both women and men, the vast majority of them were very enjoyable for both parties involved, regardless of gender.
14:47 Eddie is correct. Do your thing but don’t impose that information on your partner. However when death is on the table, something as trivial as sex should not matter.
How is it trivial if it's something you considered during your last moments?
@@ikhnatonosiris7166 compared to losing your life it’s not a big deal
@@ikhnatonosiris7166 I mean, in the grand scheme of imminently losing your life, a lot of thing seem smaller by comparison. If I wanted to do a ton of her0ln, my friends, family, etc., would be rightfully very concerned and try to ward me away from that. if I had two months to live and I wanted to try her0ln, well what's the worst that'll happen I die? In that context I think more people would be willing to say "You know what f*** it let the man try her0ln."
Like Eddy said, the ick stuff is the kinds of things just running through your head as things don't come off smoothly, and I'm the type to beat myself up for those. However, to think someone else is gonna judge me for it now I'm more mad and wanna be more awkward on purpose.
Has that worked for you?
@@rejectionisprotection4448 the recharacrerization of my inner judgemental voice to someone else judging me for random shit helps when I need to tell that voice to fuck off. Positive impact overall
yall monogamous people are insane
What is this patriarchy you’re on about men or physically superior by logically they would be the dominant. It’s like saying fish participate in Water yeah cause they can’t go anywhere without it.😂
It is nice to hear you all talk about "toxic femininity," because you all often sound like some male pick me's. People need to talk about the toxicity that women are currently pushing.