RockShox’s New Charger 3 Damper Will Revolutionize Your Riding Experience
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- čas přidán 9. 07. 2024
- For 2023, RockShox has completely revamped their line of mountain bike forks and shocks in a massive way. From the Pike to the Lyrik and the Zeb, and including the Super Deluxe Air and Coil, it's all been updated. They’ve pared down the range of travel that each fork accommodates, allowing them to be better suited for a specific use and lighter across the line. They dived into the internals of the forks and shocks, creating an entirely new damper that is positioned to revolutionize how the end user tunes their suspension, making the entire process significantly easier and more meaningful, and they’ve added clever features and improvements across the board.
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Intro 0:00
Forks: 0:27
Stanchion Length: 0:43
Intended Use - Pike: 0:53
Intended Use - Lyrik: 0:57
Intended Use - ZEB: 1:00
New Bushings - 1:14
Maxima Plush - 1:30
Pressure Release Valves - 1:59
Torque Cap Adapters - 2:27
Bolt-On Fender - 3:24
Charger3 Damper - 3:46
Similarities to GRIP2 - 5:59
The Rebound "Silencer" - 9:17
Buttercups Vibration Dampers - 10:01
DebonAir+ Air Shafts - 11:30
Super Deluxe Ultimate Shocks - 12:49
New RC2T Damper - 13:14
Hydraulic Bottom Out - 14:57
Linear and Progressive Air Cans - 17:11
Compatibility with Yolks (like Stumpjumper EVO) - 18:34
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Amazing new forks, great to see the tech progress in these new forks.
RIP to the Boxxer red Lyrik Ultimate forks, green is really nice but won't contrast as well as the red did.
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Spray paint and decal kit 👀
Are the boxxers going to be green? I figured the are keeping the boxxer red and moving the lyric to its own color so each fork in the lineup has unique colors
That green is hideous
@@stevenjam7119 looks like it’s made for the US Army
Great work, guys. Nice breakdown!
Thank you! Glad you found it informative!!
- Dan at Fanatik
Great run thru!
It's awesome how a complete redesign of the entire fork lineup results in not stiffening up the CSU. It still is one of the major long term issues with a singlecrown fork, resulting in creaking and it has not been adressed at this point. I've had it on RS, DVO and seen and heared it on many Fox forks. The connection between the steerer tube and the crown is the main pivitpoint of a singlecrown fork. 2cm of crown depth and only a pressfit will start to creak sooner or later. Fork manufacturers, listen to me, this happens so often and is not acceptable. Get that connection redesigned. Look at EXT an Intend. They have managed to get rid of it.
Yes exactly. A longer press fit connection with a thicker cross section steered tube is probably the best solution. It’s embarrassing to see these manufacturers continue to market larger stanchions with virtually unchanged crowns and steerers.
You are 100% correct. It's almost as if they want the product to fail right after it's outside the warranty period? And then claim it's not a manufacturing issue. So you either put up with it or spend more money. The only fork to address this to date is EXT.
Just go dual crown
Well if they fixed it they wouldn't get so many new forks sold. Manufacturers no longer take pride in their products lasting a long time, there's less profit in that.
Awwawwwwa2w
Did you take them apart yet, we did. Charger damper is am impressive little thing. Our ride test rally showed how the lower pressure DebonAir works with getting the most of available travel. Still think rhe Zebs are too heavy.
I'm wonder if it's compatible with revelation 35mm stanchions
That new Lyrik colorway is spicy.
Still can't help but miss the old Red colourway :(
Hope they offer it as well
@@nebnollock5198 They are keeping "Boxxer Red" on the Boxxer for the time being, hence replacing it with this new colorway. Sorry!
- Dan at Fanatik
Fire 🔥🔥
I can see the red coming back by popular demand or for limited time for the Lyrik.
What happened to old simple word of COLOR? WTF with Colorways??? More marketing BS!
Masterchief Green killing it on the Lyrik! And, with these new features, its gonna be a 36 Factory killer.
Definitely right there on the same playing field, for sure!
- Dan at Fanatik
I can attest to that, they look great on a forest green haibike allmtn 7.
And the new charger 3 damper is fantastic. With awesome small bump compliance with the new 'buttercup' tech.
@@mikee8244 how do you feel with the new lyrik now? Better than 36 factory?
Heavy meadow green? Nah, more like Masterchief green
Damper Spree...
I just want good ol black like my current Lyrik Ultimate is!!
They have the green or black color in the Lyik, silver or black for the Pike and the grey or black for the Zeb. So you have options!
That heavy meadow green is a lot darker a shade of green than I thought, fitted a set to my green haibike allmtn 7 today. Looks amazing. And feels great, compared to the performance fox 36s I had on it. I've owned the bike for 2 months and the fox's had a ridiculously harsh top out when just boosting a small kirb stone, or just lifting the front wheel for a wheelie. In that time they've been sent to 'silverfish' the fox repair/ service center twice, once because when i bought the bike, as soon as I got it home they leaked hydraulic fluid everywhere. They replaced a sketchy o-ring. Second time because they just felt shitty with the harsh top out. They found nothing wrong with them but put on a new top cap assembly anyway. They felt exactly the same, bad. I can't believe Fox released them like this. Could the luftkappe be causing this? I'm asking anyone and everyone in the comments if they have had a similar thing, particularly the newer 36s with the arch at the top of the lowers rather than the flat topped older version??
I have to admit, the fox's were silky as possible while being compressed, but that damn top out feels ugly. not confidence inspiring at all.
wow!! next damper deft
But I love that suction sound on my fork!!!!!
Why did they have to cancel that noise!?
Finally a silencer i hat having a loud fork
what is the difference between charger3 grip2 and HLR damper?
for aftermarket in the coil is tune just "standard " and may need to be tuned to specific bikes, or is new adjustability supposed to cover it like a double barrel?
There is a "medium" tune, but getting a specific tune may benefit. Shoot us an email at sales@fanatikbike.com and we can help you out!
- Dan at Fanatik
I need to pick a fork for revel rascal , I am in san diego and this would be my 2nd year on MTB. I used a hardtail Chameleon last year . I am 185lb, I like to corner and ride fast in corners, not so much of a jumper . I need help deciding on the 140mm PIKE vs LYRIK or even 150mm LYRIK . I really like the purple frame with silver pike but fear the i cannot do 150mm if I find 140mm not enough. I also donno if I would ever need 150mm travel for my style of riding.
Go for the Lyrik then! They aren't significantly more expensive, and, like you said, no reason to skimp on the travel if you don't need to. It's not going to be overkill.
You can find them here:
www.fanatikbike.com/products/rockshox-lyrik-ultimate-29-charger-3-rc2-44mm-offset?variant=39825533403182
Cheers,
Dan P.
Rock Shox is not the only shock manufacturer to provide hydraulic bottom out.
I own an E- Storia by Ext that has the feature.
True!
Yea and Vorsprung Smash pot coil conversion has it too. I had tha ton fox 36, but think I had a too firm spring so had no need for it. But I have Ext Era now, it has two seperately adjustable chambers so it's super easy and fast to adjust it.
Dude on the right looks like the Parktool guy! xD
Or does Calvin from Park Tools look like the Fanatik guy?
I feel like Dan has a side gig as a lead singer in a screamo death metal band in the evenings...
I feel like I oughta 😂
- Dan at Fanatik
Are the new dampers,air spring and buttercup backwards compatible to old ultimate forks?
They are compatible with the previous Zeb Ultimate only. Unfortunulty you can't upgrade your old Lyrik or Pike Ultimate. You'll have to get the new fork to get the damper, airspring and buttercups upgrades.
I know you'll be seeing me riding with the new super deluxe rc2t and the new zeb.
Hey Handsome Dan.
On your guys’ Bike Builder, can I build a partial bike for purchase? Or needs to be an absolute complete build?
Hi Tim,
With the bike builder itself, you can only do a complete bike (there's a few parts you can omit, like pedals and saddle). We can absolutely sell you the components for a partial build though. What I'd do is get a list together of everything you need, and then send it to our customer service team at sales@fanatikbike.com, who can get a quote together for you!
Cheers - Dan at Fanatik
Dam I like that noise!
Do you mean that you like the complete lack of noise thanks to the silencer in the forks ha ha
I like the mechanic sounds of the shock working! But thank you rockshox I’m sure some people don’t like it!
My 2017 Stumpjuper came with a 150mm Pike so if I relace it I'd go with a Lyric? I only have 135mm in the Rear
Why are you wanting to replace it?
Dan at Fanatik
@@FanatikBikeCo it's old & a OEM with out much adjustment
hi. what's that brown saddle in this video? ty 😊
www.fanatikbike.com/products/chromag-trailmaster-ltd-saddle-1?variant=13659376320558
Cheers!
- Dan at Fanatik
It is the Chromag Trailmaster LTD in chocolate color. Right now we only have the Black and the Pine colors of that saddle in stock but its a great saddle if you are in the market!
www.fanatikbike.com/products/chromag-trailmaster-ltd-saddle-1
That new lyrik is so fire I want to swap it out for my perfectly good factory 36
I know a place where you could order one 😉
www.fanatikbike.com/products/rockshox-lyrik-ultimate-29-charger-3-rc2-44mm-offset
Thinking I might do the same.
#metoo
Tough decision. All I can say is i love my new charger 3 lyriks.
What’s the recommended spring rate for body weight?
Rock Shox conveniently has a chart with suggested air pressues printed on the back of the fork legs for each fork!
RockShox Trailhead app is also a great tool for getting suggested pressures on their forks and shocks
trailhead.rockshox.com/en/
Can the 2022 Zeb ultimate be converted from the 2.1 to the 3 damper?
Yes it it possible to use the new damper and the new airshafts in the 22 Zeb. Lyrik and Pike are not compatible with the new damper and airshaft but the Zeb is.
I’m confused on the air cans. Wasn’t the point of the MegNeg to make it more linear by increasing midstroke support and NOT increase bottom out?
Meg neg made it more progressive. Falls into travel easier, but had more midstroke and end stroke ramp up.
Good question, it is a little confusing. My first thought when the MegNeg came out was that if the negative spring is larger, which functions to pull the suspension into its travel, wouldn't that result in easier bottom outs?
I was neglecting a few things though. Increasing the size of the negative air chamber while keeping the positive one the same means that relative to the negative spring, the positive spring is now smaller (again, relatively). You'll end up running a bit higher pressure in the positive can to counteract that larger negative force, which will result in more mid-stroke support and more bottom out resistance.
Also (and I don't know objectively how much this affects it), but because the negative spring becomes de-compressed through the stroke, there will be a point where it flips from being a positive pressure situation to a negative pressure situation (or suction? not sure what the correct term is). So I believe it'll actually pull the shock back *out* after a certain point in the stroke, and moreso if it's a larger volume of air. I think. I haven't confirmed that last point.
Anywho, if anyone has a more thorough understanding of that, feel free to chime in.
- Dan at Fanatik
@@FanatikBikeCoI've tried with a few comments, but there's so many variables that all make slight to significant differences. Offset, trail, head angle, fork length etc.
I just recommend anyone just about to throw nearly a grand at some new forks, does their homework/due diligence before buying. Once that new fork has been cut to the correct stack height there's no return/refund.
When you switch to MegNeg, you need to increase the main chamber pressure (20%), so you get more bottom out resistance because you're running higher overall air pressure, but the MegNeg makes it softer off the top.
Thinking of putting the 160 ZEB of my 2021 Trek Rail on my 2023 Trek Fuel EXe, but would like to keep the charger 3 of the new 150 Lyrik which is currentlyon the EXe. Can I swap dampers or is it better/easier to bump up the travel of the Lyrik to 160? Thanks!
No the damper in a Lyrik is not the same as the damper in a Zeb. You can get a charger3 Damper assembly for a Zeb though.
@@FanatikBikeCo thanks for your fast reply, was afraid this would be the case. What's your thoughts on the best 160 fork for a 40lbs Fuel EXe? Bumping up the current Lyrik with the charger 3 damper to a 160 or install the 160 ZEB with the 2.1 damper? How much stiffer is the new Lyrik in comparison to the previous model? Thanks again!
Can i upgrade my older zeb R to the new ultimate internals (damper).
Would like to know that too. Also is it possible to upgrade a domain RC to charger 3 and buttercups?
Good question - yes! The Zeb is the only fork model that can be upgraded to the new damper and air spring (including buttercups). Previous year model Pikes and Lyriks cannot be upgraded.
- Dan at Fanatik
Unfortunately the Domain cannot be upgraded with these features.
- Dan at Fanatik
@@FanatikBikeCo when can I order it or get on the list
Hi guys, i’m riding my current Canyon Stoic4 with a 140mm pike select from ‘21 51mm offset. I’m orientating for a proper upgrade and i’m wondering if you guys would recommend it’s worth upgrading it to a pike ultimate ‘23 or even a lyrik ultimate ‘23 .I can buy a 140mm pike for €749,- and 160mm lyrik €799,- they both have 44mm offset. Would a Lyrik 160mm with 44mm offset alter the whole handling feeling of the bike in comparance to a 140mm 51mm offset pike? I like to take the Stoic out in bikeparks (GreenHill/winterberg and local xc trails), and i’m a fairly heavy rider around 95kg.. i’m doubting between a new pike or lyrik..
Id go for the lyriks, it's a slightly burlier fork, shorter offset will bring the axle a bit closer to you on the longer fork. Head angle and longer amount of trail because of the shorter offset will all play a factor. Do you know anyone else with a stoic with longer forks? If so, pick their brains, and have a go if possible. There's a fair amount of variables at play.
Happy riding deefs.
Do you know if the Charger 3 damper fits in the 2021 Yari?
Nope
@@rickymarumade Thank you
Unfortunately, no, it doesn't.
Can I use the Zeb on my e-bike or do I need different internals?
You can use the new Zeb on your E bike no problem
What if I told you, that you can use any fork on e-bikes🤯
What's with the tape on the IFP port?
Just to keep the damper oil from dribbling out.
- Dan at Fanatik
22 Stumpy EVO owner here, did you guys get approval from Specialized to run the Super Deluxe Coil? Thanks
RockShox says with their design the shock is compatible with yoke's so the new Super Deluxe should work on your Stumpy EVO. You may want to ask Specialized what their stance is, but RS claims these have enough bushing overlap to work on a yoke shock mount.
Fork looks amazing but those "Torque craps" never seen on shops, never seen one...
жалко ребята субтитры не подвезли, катался на xc30, неплохая вилка, потом обновил вел, на нем xce была, лютый хлам 2800 весил, заменил на рекон, минус кило, неплохая вилка, моушн контроль нормально работает, меня устраивает, страшно представить на что способны вилки из видео
Will those Lyrik's be available in any other colors? Not diggin that Green color...
Lyrik is available in Black and that Heavy Meadow green you see in the video. So you have two options!
@@FanatikBikeCo Thanks for the reply…..I’m b glad they make Black! When will they be available? Thanks again!
@@FanatikBikeCo I want a 2023 Black Lyrik in 27.5" with 37mm extension When will they be available?
Nice but sucks that the upgrades aren't compatible with the current gen lyric and pike... I'm not able to drop big coin on a brand new fork
It is a bummer but with an entirely new chassis for the Pike and Lyrik that backwards compatibility was just not possible
that lack of compatibility was probably the main purpose of the redesign@@FanatikBikeCo
With the new compression adjustments, should you measure sag in the middle position or should you remove all the compression?
sag is not affected by damping
@@jamie-kd9tx it absolutely is related to the damper. A firmer compression setting will affect it directly.
Your supposed the set sag with the fork in its open setting
@@Adam-vm8kp how is it related to the damper? what force does the damper provide at 0 shaft speed?
@@jamie-kd9tx are you still pushing oil through the shims when you move the fork? If you want sag at 30% then the fork is moving 30% into its travel. 30% sag would require more weight to achieve on a firmer compression setting on your damper. I think you’ll also find every suspension manufacturer tells you to set sag with everything fully open, aka with no. added. damping…
Which one is more comfortable, 2023 Zeb due to butter cups (but stiffer) vs 2021 Lyric Ultimate (less stiff but no buttercups). Concern is hand/arm fatigue.
How much do you weigh and what are your most-ridden trails like?
Is the 2023 Lyrik an option?
- Dan at Fanatik
@@FanatikBikeCo 155lbs. I ride a variety of trails but want to optimize my bike for steep chunky DH trails like those in Whistler. I have a 2021 Lyrik Select + at the moment and thinking of either upgrading internals to 180mm air spring and upgrading the damper vs 2023 Zeb. I want at least 180mm so 2023 Lyrik isn't an option. I'm an advanced beginner to intermediate rider I'd say.
@@corismsyn If you're set on going 180mm, I would sell your current fork and get the ZEB. It kind of pushes the Lyrik pretty far to run it at that travel, that's why they nixed that option this year.
- Dan at Fanatik
@@FanatikBikeCo when you say pushes it far, what do you mean? I'm worried that the Zeb will be too stiff for me. I'm not heavy nor that aggressive and I'm susceptible to hand and arm fatigue.
@@corismsyn Gotcha. At that length that fork gets a bit flexy, wears out the bushings faster, stuff like that. What bike is this for?
- Dan
How about the rockshox boxxer ?
No Boxxer update at this point. Hopefully soon!
Best thing about this video is Dan’s sick haircut!
He did it just for the video
Hahahah I did not do it just for the video Rich! I did it because I'm joining our enduro athlete Eric Olsen on his bike touring trip to compete in three EWS races in Europe, and it's going to be friggin hot over there!
Check it out here if you're curious! jankcomponents.com/blogs/tour-de-ews
And thanks for watching!
- Dan at Fanatik
Super supportive on new Lyrik, only struggle with small bump, done heaps of tuning and basically given up, super chattery on small rocks
Did you figure out the issue?
If the charger damper 3 fits in the older Zeb fork, does that mean it'll fit in the newer Domain fork?🤔
As far as we've been told no it will not.
@@FanatikBikeCo So I can upgrade my 2022 Zeb damper and air shaft to the latest, yeah? I got told I couldn’t because of the buttercup. Would love some clarity around this. Great job guys!
@@enricobettesworth251i believe it's not backwards compatible with pikes and lyriks, but I think it is with the Zebs, please don't quote me on this. Do a bit of due diligence and have a good ol' google search for answers.
When will they be available?
Depends on the specific fork you are looking at. You can always reach us at sales@fanatikbike.com for ETA questions and our customer service team can help get you an answer!
Anyone had experience with a dvo jade x rear coil shock. I'm thinking of switching from a fox dps. I know it's heavier, but it will be going on a haibike EMTB. I just fancy the small bump compliance of a springer on the rear? I know this is a video about forks but there's got to be someone in this comment section with experience of this. Maybe?
I have the dvo jade x coil on my trek rail and I love it. Just get the correct progressive spring for your weight and you’re set. It tracks really well and I feel planted on it.
@@thidoan6789 thx for the reply. I'm a pretty light rider, 63kg say 65kg with my gear on. Any idea on what spring weight i should choose, also, who's spring do you use, it's not linear its progressive, I get that. I know cane creek make a good progressive. And I know DVO make a lightweight spring but I'm not sure if it is linear, or whether there's a choice.
So any companies you think i should check out?, it doesn't have to be lightweight, it's for an EMTB. Would be good to shed a little weight but it wouldn't be that noticable.
Motorex 3d is best oil you can use in forks
when are these shipping?
Orders are in with SRAM but no solid ETA right now. Hoping in the next month or so but with lingering supply chain issues it could potentially be longer. When we do have good ETA's we'll have that posted on the website so make sure to check them on Fanatikbike.com.
That's a big ass hyperbolic clip title....
Grip 2, Charger 3 marketing mumbojumbo with lots of $$$ behind it... I doubt either will beat out a properly setup Manitou Mezzer Pro.
How much is it ?
Is it a competitor to fox? Or did they simply, finally catch up? 🤔
Both!
Man why don't they make the lyrik In that green
That's the one that they make in green!
www.fanatikbike.com/products/rockshox-lyrik-ultimate-29-charger-3-rc2-44mm-offset?variant=39825533435950
- Dan at Fanatik
will that damper work in a judy?
No you can not use the new Charger 3 in a Judy
Good info but you seem to try to discourage people from tinkering themselves.
I'd disagree. The Charger3 makes it much less intimidating to tinker! You have the easily identifiable starting point so if you do tinker too far you can get right back to the stock settings without having to remember where you started!
@@FanatikBikeCo I meant service at home. IMO charger 2 wasn't too bad to service, not much worse than bleeding a brake. The main problem was that SRAM didn't have parts available like for example the bladder if it ruptured, or the quad seal that caused leaks out the top on 2.0 of the damper. If the charger 3 is even easier, I don't see any reason why people shouldn't service it at home if they feel like trying.
CoMpLetEly REdeSiGnED FrOm thE GrOUnd Up
Is Rich Calvin’s son? 😉
Rich is actually Calvin's father. Time in the YouTubiverse is kinda weird.
- Dan at Fanatik
You’re right, looks exactly like Mr Park Tool. Wow!
Guys, the lack of adjustments such as high speed rebound is NOT an advantage. Even if you (or me) or everyone doesn't like to play with these, this should not be the standard...
On the other hand i could easily assume that the lack of adjustments shows the inability from SRAM to deliver reliable and accurate controls. And till now this was the case , wasn't it?
The best part is we can sell you the fork for $1,1000. That will revolutionary your wallet.
They're actually only $1,107 (Lyrik), ten times less than you feared!
Cheers,
- Dan at Fanatik
@@FanatikBikeCo Ha ha. The old fork shall do. Good video.
@@jayswavely6371 😆cheers. Run what you brung, as they say.
- Dan at Fanatik
nobody is really doin it? => EXT started wiht hydraulic bottom out control on their shocks!
Yes EXT is doing it. Mainly referring to the big dawgs and not the boutique shocks like EXT.
They basically copied the mezzer pro.
How so?
- Dan at Fanatik
I very much doubt these will be as nice as a Mezzer.
No, it will ruin it. Tried it for over a year now, I‘m tired of this fork. Marketing is not everything, it‘s nothing. Hate this stupid fork, never again rock shox
LETS JUST IGNORE THE CREAKY CSU PROBLEM THEN SHALL WE 🤡🌎
At least in our experience, it's not a massively prevalent problem. It seems to get a lot of attention, but we have very very few forks (from any brand) coming back to us with that issue. Dampers and air springs seem to fail just as frequently.
- Dan at Fanatik
@@FanatikBikeCo with Fox 36 it was horrible, but not tried high end enduro Rockshox forks like the Zeb, but I am on Ext Era now 👌no complaints.