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NEW 2023 RockShox Pike, Lyrik & Zeb Forks, AND Super Deluxe Air & Coil Shocks | Flow's First Ride
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- The 2023 RockShox Pike, Lyrik & Zeb have arrived, ushering in the next generation Charger 3 damper and DebonAir+ spring. There's also a new Super Deluxe air and coil shock, plus a new Hydraulic Bottom Out feature.
So how does it all perform on the trail? Read on for our 2023 RockShox first ride review; flowmountainbike.com/tests/20...
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Video Contents
0:00 - Intro
1:26 - Charger 3 Damper
2:34 - DebonAir+ Spring
3:00 - Buttercups
3:38 - 2023 RockShox Pike
4:44 - 2023 RockShox Lyrik
5:43 - 2023 RockShox Zeb
6:31 - 2023 RockShox Super Deluxe Shocks
7:24 - Hydraulic Bottom Out
7:57 - Deluxe Air & Coil Shocks
8:13 - Testing The 2023 RockShox Range
11:05 - The Wrap Up
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Put the 140 Lyrik Ultimate on my 22 Stumpy. Started with the suggested pressure and immediately opened the HSC and LSC wide open. High speed control and support is great, but pretty harsh at low speeds. Going to have to lower air pressure quite a bit I think. Seems the be the theme.
Great content!!
Ya mann.. nice...
Today I bought the Santa Cruz 5010 mtb..
Love from India ❣️❣️
Gooday knackers!! Excellent work here as usual. This new stuff is the bollox, had 22' Zeb Ultimate with a Luftkappe and the new Zeb blows it away. Living the dream on the Insurgent MX with the new forks and the Super Deluxe Ultimate coil 🤘
Great to hear Sam! Sounds like a mint setup on the Insurgent MX - how are you finding the new Charger 3 damper on the Zeb and the RC2 damper on the shock? What sort of settings are you running? [Wil]
@@FlowMountainBikeCZcams hey Wil 👋
It's really levelled up a bike that was already the best thing I've ever swung a leg over. Right out of the box I set the fork up with - Zero tokens, 63psi (77kg), HSC - Middle, LSC - Middle, Rebound - 8 out (counting the first click from stop as 1). The fork is outstanding, so good I've not touched the settings yet. I'm shocked at how much better it is. General ride comfort is a huge improvement mainly down to the buttercups I guess taking away most of the shite hand feedback. Drops / landings / big and little hits all feel way better. I'd been hammering a local track as it was bone dry and then the new forks went on. I went back for more of the same conditions and had a realisation that you can go much faster! On the limit, instead of being told whoaaaaa we're out of control...the new forks talk to your hands at the same pace in a very different way. Without all that sensory overload feedback chatter and sharpness you can feel the tyre on the ground, if it has grip and feel where you placing the wheel. I instantly went quicker on a track I've been riding for years!
I've been running the rear shock a little longer and took a little longer to dial in, now at - 400lb spring, that gives 30% sag, HSC +1, LSC +1, HBO MIDDLE, Rebound - 8. The compression tune is so much more supple over the previous generation I thought I had a rear flat first time out! Since Evil made the current shape bikes I've been searching for a slightly more supple feel from the backend like my previous Wreckoning had. I tried an X2 on my V3 Wrecker but couldn't get it. This new RC2 coil has it, if fact you can dial it from too soft to too firm! The hydraulic bottom oit works a treat without any negative effect on the rest of the stroke. I feel like front to rear balance and feel is next level now. When I had the shock with the old forks it was obviously a bit of a miss match of capabilities. The shock came with HBO at -2, I found I had some harsh bottom outs went to -1 had the odd bottom out so now on Middle. The trailhead app recommends a Rebound setting which I felt was way to fast. I started at 9 but went slower again to settle the rear more as it felt a touch busy. High and Low speed compression where adjusted to +1 just to hold her up more. Racing at Llangollen it just felt like it was wallowing out in the high-speed direction changes. This was all that was needed to provide the extra support without loosing the supple feel in the feet 👌
The levo on a coil ? Seen many coils break on a turbo levo , is the new coil e bike ready ?
Cheers
Will the new versions be compatible with a bolt on fender such as the RRP? It looks like there is some screw holes at the back of the bridge? Great walkthrough of the lineup but it’s sad to see that the red version of the Lyrik is gone.
The new Zeb uses the same bolt-on fender as the first generation. There's also a new bolt-on fender for the new Pike & Lyrik. I'm not too on RRP's offerings, but if they make a mudguard for the existing Zeb, it'll be compatible with the new fork. Hope that helps! [Wil]
@flow mountain bike, When you set the initial sag and pressure, do you need to turn the HSC and LSC fully anti-clockwise (zero compression) or still keep it in the middle?
As I understand, RockShox suggests that riders should start with the HSC & LSC dials in the neutral position, which is how I would measure sag. [Wil]
I am Japanese. It looks like fun in that country as well.
Rock Shox has so many different products with so many different versions, it is confusing to keep track of them.
I agree. Thats why i go for dvo
I agree
Could anybody give the shoulder width of the 2023 pike fork, please? I'm planning to use this fork on my custom frame and I want to make sure it will fit.
4mm travel with the buttercup? Doesn't that pale into insignificance compared to the give in the tyres, especially when using inserts or tubeless when pressures can be reduced?
That's a great question! I think when you're looking at the front of the bike, there are lots of factors that can affect compliance and how much vibration is passed up to the rider.
In addition to the tyre, there's also the rim and wheel itself - some carbon rims with a deep section profile can be super stiff, and you can really feel that compared to a low-profile rim like a Zipp 3Zero Moto. Even changing spoke tensions on the same wheelset can be felt by the rider.
The type of handlebars and grips you use can also make a noticeable difference to comfort. That's why you'll find products like RevGrips, Spank's foam-filled Spike bars, and the Fasst Flexx handlebars.
I believe it was Keith Bontrager who (in reference to bicycles) said that 'everything is a spring'. So while a tyre and a fork may make up most of the vertical travel, there is compliance to be found everywhere. And in theory, if you can improve compliance elsewhere, you might not have to run such low tyre pressures in the first place, or you might be able to run more compression damping to keep the fork riding higher in its travel.
Hope that helps explain!
[Wil]
Yes perhaps you are right. I changes from soft wall Bontrager tire on the front (ZEB 170) and fitted the new EXO+ and found the ride to be a lot more harsh. Perhaps the buttercups will bring back that softness
New lyrik feels great , compare to F36 2022
Is the megneg still compatible with the new super deluxe's and deluxe's?
No .they have new megneg 2023 and up
I don't believe so Ross. As far as I understand, the DebonAir+ air cans on the new Super Deluxe shocks utilise a different size and shape relative to the old shocks, so the air cans aren't interchangeable. However, the progressive air can on the new shock is supposed to be quite close in terms of its spring curve to the MegNeg can. [Wil]
Hi Team,
I'm considering to upgrade my 2022 stumpy comp from the 34 Rythm firk to the pike ultimate.
Is it worth the upgrade? And how about the small bump sensitivity?
Cheers
Hey mate!
I spent a lot of time riding the Pike Ultimate and the 34 GRIP2 on the front of the Stumpjumper. We did a comparative review, which you might find useful: flowmountainbike.com/tests/2023-rockshox-pike-vs-fox-34-grip2-review/
You'd drop a little bit of weight upgrading from the stock 34 Rhythm fork, but the main benefit would be the improved control. The Pike Ultimate gives you separately adjustable low and high-speed compression damping, and I found it to offer a load more mid-stroke support and better composure on bigger hits. That's the sort of thing that will be more important if you're riding harder and faster trails.
Hope that helps, but just shout out if you've got any more questions!
[Wil]
Thanks for the quick reply, much appreciated!
Did you feel the pike ultimate had any disadwantages compared to the stock rythm, such as sensitivity?
hello Is it possible to put a new charger 3 into an older model? lyrik ultimate 170mm travel 2021/22
Unfortunately not. Only the previous generation Zeb can be upgraded with the new Charger 3 damper. [Wil]
The Charger 3 on the ultimate forks is a game changer, just bought the Lyrik Ultimate and it might be the best for I have ever ridden hands down.
So the top of the line forks don't have HS&LS rebound? only LS?
That's correct - there's just a single rebound adjuster on all RockShox forks. [Wil]
Why do you even need high speed rebound exactly?
@@cyclefactoryuk You technically don't - the spring that returns the fork from a compression is the same regardless of the bump. Some folks use the LSR to try to slow the fork even further to gain a little more traction when on slow roller trails - they are just chasing their tail (oh and they think they know what they are doing)
Bit disappointed they removed the sag indicators on the forks
Made adjusting sag so easy
Information, options and adjustment overload.
Still trying to catch up to Manitou.
Needing a Zeb for 170 is a bummer.
It's a similar move to Fox, with each fork narrowing its range slightly. The two brands now match up pretty closely, so both the 36 and Lyrik offer 140-160mm travel, while the 38 & Zeb are 160mm+. It likely helps to simplify things for the consumer, so that there's less crossover between forks and a more defined purpose for each model. [Wil]
Is the lyrik red gone??
Looks like it. Only saw the black and green.
Yup - the new signature colour for the Lyrik is the 'Alpine Meadow' green. Only the Boxxer will be offered in red. [Wil]
Small bump sensitivity is worse again (last version was worse than the version before that) and rebound damping is heavy. Sounds to me like they just changed their philosophy from lively and springy to calm and damped.
Not interested in the forks yet. If the next ones are more lively again, let me know ;).
The coil shock is interesting though
Guykes said this as well. Not initially plush and sPIKEd
I don't believe anything you are saying . I think a sample Pike ultimate sent to my house is in order .