Mysterious Fossil Discovery in Southern Africa

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  • čas přidán 18. 05. 2024
  • The subject of paleo-anthropology is notorious for its contentious arguments, one of which has raged for years is the evolutionary genesis of modern humans. We frequently forget how huge Africa is. The distance from the 'Cradle of Humankind' in South Africa to the 'Cradle of Humanity' in Ethiopia is over 3000 miles, or almost 5000 kilometers. This is around the same distance as from Ethiopia to Spain or from Ethiopia to China. Only the southern part of Africa is in the southern hemisphere, whereas the vast northern part of Africa is in the northern hemisphere. Because this region differs from the northern section of Africa, the south is sometimes referred to as the African Subcontinent. This location is located about parallel to Australia, hence it is exceptionally far south.
    What's more, Several studies from the Southern Hemisphere report that the Origin of Anatomically Modern Humans can be Traced to Southern Africa. The Kabwe Cranium, also known as the Broken Hill Skull or Rhodesian Man, is a story that spans thousands of hundreds of years in southern Africa's heartland. The Kabwe Cranium, estimated to be 300,000 years old, was an early human ancestor from the Middle Pleistocene period. This preserved skull from a previously unknown species sheds light on the lifestyles of our distant predecessors and the environment they lived in. The skull was discovered in what was then known as Rhodesia, and is now known as Zambia in southern Africa. A new procedure used on the skull allowed for the removal of some quarter-millimeter thick shards, allowing the skull to be directly dated, with the age range being 324,000 to 274,000 years ago.
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    www.sci.news/genetics/origin-...

Komentáře • 82

  • @TheTamriel
    @TheTamriel Před 23 dny +16

    The Broken Hill skull (Kabwe 1) found 1921 near Kabwe in Western Zambia in the south of the East African Rift is a late _Homo heidelbergensis_ in the transition phase towards _Homo sapiens_ - a _proto sapiens,_ still slightly more primitive in its morphology compared to the younger Omo 2 skull from the Omo-Turkana Basin in the north of the Rift.

    • @togodamnus
      @togodamnus Před 23 dny

      --
      Note the robusticity and anchor points.. the sinus and nose bridge is also unusual. Remarkable specimen.

    • @HighlyCompelling
      @HighlyCompelling  Před 22 dny +5

      It's very primitive compared to Omo skulls. I don't like to use Homo heidelbergensis. It is a very Eurocentric species

    • @togodamnus
      @togodamnus Před 22 dny

      @@HighlyCompelling
      I agree that Kabwe skull may or may not be accurately assigned to H Heidelbergensis, it's equally impressive for it's archaic basal robusticity but there are some possibly significant differences and time table gaps; 50-100 million years difference in dating is large gap.
      Heidelbergensis was recovered and described by a European person, it was located near Heidelberg, and Europeans pioneered and established the field of study we all enjoy and seek to improve upon.
      Some individuals dislike the name Heidelbergensis because it's not just European, but it's 'German' sounding...
      I don't approve of such disapproval or cancelation motives.
      Similar debates exist regarding H bodoensis which is remarkably different from Kabwe or other fossil skulls.
      It's very interesting. 🖖

    • @erichwentz2866
      @erichwentz2866 Před 22 dny

      ​@@HighlyCompellingHomo Erectus down to Homo Sapien Sapiens all traced to Africa not Europe.

  • @tractorhead971
    @tractorhead971 Před 22 dny +19

    Rhodesia became Zimbabwe not Zambia.

    • @stephenbrand5661
      @stephenbrand5661 Před 22 dny +6

      Northern Rhodesia became Zambia, Southern Rhodesia became Zimbabwe.

    • @douglashall4573
      @douglashall4573 Před 22 dny

      Southern Rhodesia became Zimbabwe, Northern Rhodesia became Zambia

    • @FloridaManMatty
      @FloridaManMatty Před 22 dny +1

      Rhodesians Never Die. MZRA!

  • @humansubspecies
    @humansubspecies Před 22 dny +6

    That's a good thumbnail. Very attractive, compelling.

  • @DorchesterMom
    @DorchesterMom Před 22 dny +5

    Curiouser and curiouser…
    The truth will win out eventually. In the meantime, I have my popcorn ready.
    Thank you. This is highly compelling, enlightening, and ENTERTAINING content ❤

  • @TADJ369
    @TADJ369 Před 23 dny +6

    Great video!

  • @jerrycornelius5986
    @jerrycornelius5986 Před 22 dny +2

    Very interesting.

  • @EricMerkel-rj9hs
    @EricMerkel-rj9hs Před 22 dny +1

    I've looked at that beautiful skull for years and still cannot envision a human-like nose in that nasal cavity.

  • @OntarioRimrunner
    @OntarioRimrunner Před 22 dny

    What is the origin of the map "Africa at the Present Time?"
    It does not correspond to any time in history, so I assume it's fictional?

    • @Wyo2Wis
      @Wyo2Wis Před 21 dnem

      Pre 1960 when European colonies existed.

    • @HighlyCompelling
      @HighlyCompelling  Před 21 dnem

      Around 1930

    • @OntarioRimrunner
      @OntarioRimrunner Před 21 dnem

      Any other facts about the source of the map?

    • @dukeon
      @dukeon Před 18 dny

      It’s from Deviant Art and posted on Pinterest. Representing an alternate history, not Africa in the early 20th century. Google “Map of Africa 1940” and you should be able to find it.

  • @markshearer1831
    @markshearer1831 Před 22 dny

    Wow what are these people thinking. That map in the thumb nail? How old is that

  • @susanbello8089
    @susanbello8089 Před 22 dny +1

    ChatGPT says Rhodesia became Zimbabwe AND Zambia.

  • @billsmith6397
    @billsmith6397 Před 20 dny +1

    Zimbabwe

  • @tankmeister8131
    @tankmeister8131 Před 22 dny +2

    Rhodesia, I think you mean Zimbabwe .

    • @douglashall4573
      @douglashall4573 Před 22 dny +1

      Southern Rhodesia became Zimbabwe, Northern Rhodesia became Zambia.

  • @Satfenfilms
    @Satfenfilms Před 22 dny +1

    The African counterpart of the Neanderthal? Looks identical

    • @jerrycornelius5986
      @jerrycornelius5986 Před 22 dny

      I expect there would have been considerable diversity within the different branches of homo, especially during periods of rapid evolution or expansion of range. Maybe some populations of one species had heavy brow ridges and other populations of the same species didn’t. To this novice, there doesn’t seem to be enough datapoints to get a handle on the variability much less to join the dots and make a clear picture of the evolutionary relationships.

  • @420thebestdayever
    @420thebestdayever Před 23 dny +5

    Based

  • @comfortablynumb9342
    @comfortablynumb9342 Před 23 dny +2

    I'm surprised to hear about a lake in Africa bigger than the one that was in the Sahara. That one was supposedly massive.

    • @TheTamriel
      @TheTamriel Před 23 dny +2

      The vanished Lake Makgadikgadi in the today Kalahari desert, of which the famous Okavango delta was a part of.

    • @erichwentz2866
      @erichwentz2866 Před 22 dny +1

      Sahara is in Africa. Your comment doesn't make sense.

    • @comfortablynumb9342
      @comfortablynumb9342 Před 22 dny

      @@erichwentz2866 It makes sense. The Sahara had an enormous lake long ago. Look into it.

  • @doop6769
    @doop6769 Před 3 dny

    I'm not a scientist, so excuse my ignorance, but im still homo curious. 😅 Why do scientists always assume it's a different species of human and not just a different race? If we took a modern day Swede, someone from sub suharan Africa and a person from a tribe in the Amazon rainforest and buried them today, in 10,000 years, would we say they were different species? It seems pretty clear we can identify someone's race today from their bones , why is the past different? People all over the world today have distinct cultures, physical characteristics and customs, yet we'd never classify any of them as a different species?

  • @ultrakoolyvibes7505
    @ultrakoolyvibes7505 Před 9 dny

    NEANDERTHAL were dark skinned

  • @leojanuszewski1019
    @leojanuszewski1019 Před 22 dny +3

    Polish people represent the apex of human evolution.

    • @tankmeister8131
      @tankmeister8131 Před 22 dny +4

      😂😂😂

    • @MrZriael
      @MrZriael Před 22 dny +1

      The women or the men? Two different species I’m certain of it. 😂

    • @MichaelWinter-ss6lx
      @MichaelWinter-ss6lx Před 22 dny +2

      Polish? I thought that's a profession!

    • @leojanuszewski1019
      @leojanuszewski1019 Před 21 dnem

      @MrZriael Funny you mention that. I've always been perplexed at how the same nationality produces such lovely ladies while also producing such...well...homely men (like myself 😆).

    • @doop6769
      @doop6769 Před 3 dny

      ​@leojanuszewtbski1019 that seems true for most of Eastern Europeans.

  • @CETGale
    @CETGale Před 23 dny +1

    If OOA is true explain the Iwo Eleru skulls dated to only 12 thousand yrs ago..... DNA has matched LIVING relatives to Iwo Eleru skulls to modern Cameroon in Sub Saharan Africa....... Please anyone have any ideas?? Or is it just to complex.....;)

    • @TonyMishima92
      @TonyMishima92 Před 23 dny +2

      I don't see how Iho Eleru refutes OOA.

    • @jasonborn867
      @jasonborn867 Před 23 dny +2

      There is significant morphological variation in modern human skulls and even for late survivng archaics, so predicting relatedness is subject to a high degree of error. The most accurate predictor of relatedness is genetics having repeatedly demonstrated the oldest living haplogroup is A00 which nests in Africa.
      All present-day lineages connect in an unbroken line of descent beginning with the most ancient haplogroup (A00). In fact, all male Eurasian lineages are descended from a single African haplogroup resulting in far less genetic diversity for Eurasian populations.
      Now a person could argue that A00 did not originate in Africa, but rather evolved in the Middle East and migrated into Africa establishing the modern human species. However, the oldest modern skulls such as Jebel Irhoud and Omo 1 predate any Eurasian sapiens so even fossil evidence points to modern humans evolving in Africa.
      If you are interested in scientific literature on this topic an excellent paper is "A Rare Deep-Rooting D0 African Y-Chromosomal Haplogroup and Its Implications for the Expansion of Modern Humans Out of Africa" published by Haber et al 2019. If you search by the title a full version of the paper is available on the Oxford Academic link.

    • @AfricanMaverick
      @AfricanMaverick Před 23 dny

      Since different populations of any species can change more rapidly than other populations within the same species, this may explain the late presence of this somewhat archaic-looking human. That’s to say the population the Iwo-Eleru individual was part of was more conservative than other contemporaneous populations.
      Assuming that the Iwo-Eleru find is actually just a divergent modern human/maybe a subspecies of Homo sapiens, and not the result of interbreeding between two human species, considering its relatively young age, I think it might be a representative of this Basal West African population. Also, with this especially divergent lineage, I think an especially divergent Y-DNA haplogroup comes part of that package.
      I think that this Basal West African population, or at least a genetically similar population, was the source of haplogroup A00. Also, I think this population may have been somewhat similar in looks and/or genetics to the people from Jebel Irhoud.
      Also, with the Basal West African divergence age, which is quite early, and presuming it coincides somewhat with the presence of the Jebel Irhoud individuals, there may have been some issues with producing successful offspring. A recent study also seems to suggest that the perceived archaic human genetic presence in the Yoruba has decreased by way of negative selection pressure, thus suggesting some issues with the interbreeding, but maybe not to the same degree as with, say, Neanderthals due to a more recent divergence from other Homo sapiens, and thus a reasonably heightened genetic similarity with modern humans. Now, whereas Neanderthal haplogroups went extinct in modern humans, some of the ones of this Basal West African population survived, because, while being fairly genetically different, Basal West Africans were still somewhat similar enough to pass on at least some, or in this case, one haplogroup: A00.

    • @CETGale
      @CETGale Před 22 dny

      @@jasonborn867 Both specimens are from N Africa not Sub Saharan Africa.. Interesting the Jebel skulls similarity with Iwo skulls, just the time differential.. Also the Jebel skulls are close to Gibraltar and Spain just as Omo 1 is close to Mid East.. Another interesting fact is the Canary Islands (also close to Jebel) native Guanches people who are related to the Berbers of N Africa seem to be the closest match for the Cro-Magnon man... As Cro-Magnon was the first fully modern human with prominent chin and no prognathism.. Seems to me the Guanches people before colonization were the typical phenotype human in North Africa before the Younger Dryas / last Ice Age and were most likely trapped on the Canary Islands after the ice sheets melted.. This theory of Sub Saharan people bursting out of Africa 70,000 yrs ago and replacing all before them, then mutating into all the different people we see today is not very convincing to me to say the least...

    • @AnthropoTube
      @AnthropoTube Před 22 dny

      All evidence points to the contrary. The oldest fossils of Homo sapiens are found in Africa: the _Jebel Irhoud_ fossils, which are ~286,000 years old; the _Florisbad_ skull, which is ~259,000 years old; the _Omo_ fossils, which are ~233,000 years old; the _Singa_ cranium, which is ~135,000 years old, etc. Additionally, only Aboriginal Africans (or people who recently descend from them) carry the haplogroup that's as old as these fossils, namely A00, as well as haplogroups that are younger than A00 but still older than Non-African haplogroups (e.g. A1a, A1b, A1b1, L0, L1, etc). Oh, and finally, Aboriginal Africans have more genetic diversity than Non-Africans combined, which indicates that Non-African genetic diversity is a subset of Africans' genetic diversity.
      There's no evidence whatsoever that Modern Humans evolved in Eurasia; that's a pipe dream.
      Also, people move around. Some so-called sub-Saharan Africans descend from peoples who migrated from North Africa.

  • @TheLeonhamm
    @TheLeonhamm Před 22 dny

    And the key term to keep in mind is this 'its brain case is typically human .. its capacity still unknown'. Not quite measuring a man's humanity by his hat size, Sherlock Holmes style, as categorising humanity by the shape of a man's head. Humankind, humanity and man (including women, naturally) are more or less synonymous, minor distinctions without a major difference - rather than a difference in kind without any typical distinction = sapient man, for instance, is as much of humankind as primitive humanity.
    Science is a wonder! Thank you for all these little treasures. ;o)

  • @vesuvandoppelganger
    @vesuvandoppelganger Před 22 dny +1

    Humans were created in various locations around the world.

  • @poksnee
    @poksnee Před 23 dny +4

    Highly unlikely. This does not take into account current theories and discoveries. SOS.

  • @robinwolstenholme6377
    @robinwolstenholme6377 Před 17 dny

    how can a denisevan diverge from a homosapian 400k ago if there were no homosapians 400k ago????? or are we back to the into afrika theore ????

  • @mrzredbadger7848
    @mrzredbadger7848 Před 23 dny

    Nonsense

    • @DonRubinjo
      @DonRubinjo Před 23 dny +2

      Why? Do you think this chanel is bogus?

  • @grantnorthcott5112
    @grantnorthcott5112 Před 23 dny +1

    Rhodesia is now Zimbabwe not Zambia. At time index, 1:29 you referred to Rhodesia as Zambia.

    • @TheTamriel
      @TheTamriel Před 23 dny +6

      Zimbabwe is the former South Rhodesia, whereas Zambia is the former North Rhodesia

    • @HighlyCompelling
      @HighlyCompelling  Před 22 dny +1

      I believe Rhodesia was a single colony in 1921 and then it was split in North and South in the 1950s before coming independent countries in the 1960s

    • @erichwentz2866
      @erichwentz2866 Před 22 dny

      ​@@HighlyCompellingZimbabwe won it's independence in 1980.