Did Civilisation Begin At Karahan Tepe? - Humanity before Göbekli Tepe // Prehistory Documentary
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Chapters-
11:30 - I - In The Beginning
28:36 - II - Dancing At The Dawn
59:23 - III - The Older Brothers of Adam
1:28:15 - IV - Of Sorcerers & Stone Circles
Research -
- Books -
René Girard, Violence & The Sacred (1972)
Klaus Schmidt, Gobekli Tepe (2012)
Steven Mithen , After The Ice (2003)
V. Gordon Childe - Man Makes Himself (1939)
Robin Dunbar, Human Evolution (2014)
Robin Dunbar, How Religion Evolved (2022)
David Wengrow & David Graeber, The Dawn of Everything (2021)
Mircea Eliade, A History of Religious Ideas (1988)
Mircea Eliade, Shamanism (1951)
Jaques Cauvin, The Birth Of The Gods & The Dawn of Agriculture (1994)
Clifford Geertz, The Interpretation of Cultures (1973)
Claude Levi Strauss, The Savage Mind (1966)
Dancing at the Dawn, Yosef Garfinkel (2003)
Brian Hayden, The Power of Feasts: From Prehistory To The Present (2014)
Dacher Keltner, Awe - The Transformative Power of Everyday Wonder (2023)
- Academic Journals -
The Archaeology of Ritual, Edward Swenson (2015)
Becoming Farmers: The Inside Story, Anna Belfer-Cohen (2011)
The Earliest Dancing Scenes In The Near East - Yosef Garfinkel (2003)
On Scorpions, Birds & Snakes - Benz & Bauer (2015)
Farewell to the ‘Childhood of Man’ - Wengrow & Graeber (2015)
So Fair A House, Göbekli Tepe - E. B. Banning (2011)
Göbekli Tepe Preliminary Report, Klaus Schmidt (2000)
Gods & Monsters - David Wengrow (2011)
Jaques Cauvin: The right man for the reason - Anna Belfer Cohen (2011)
The Legacy of Jaques Cauvin, Melinda Zeder (2011)
Klaus Schmidt, Hans Georg K Gebel (2014)
The Natufians In The Levant, Anna Belfer-Cohen (1991)
To be not to be, Olivier Aurenche (2013)
The Neolithic Transformation, Willie Thompson
The Origins of Agriculture, Price & Bar-Yousef (2011)
Rational Choice In The Neolithic?, Kim Sterelny (2015)
The Origins of Agriculture In The Near East, Melinda Zeder (2011)
On The Nature of Transitions and Revolutions in Prehistory, Ofer Bar-Yosef (2005)
The World’s First Temple, Sandra Scham (2008)
Thanks to @dakotawint for the drone footage
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Thank you for not resorting to AI narration. Your documentaries are basically the gold standard on CZcams.
@Andy_Babb
Lets put it into perspective. The believed duration of the settlements was 1400 years, at Karahan Tepe they have discovered so far with only 5% of the site being excavated 10,000 grinding bowls for grinding grains. Thats 7 stone grinding bowls being created everyday for 1400 years, isnt this way over the top for any settlement. The effort it takes to make a grinding bowl, how long a grinding bowl lasts until its no longer any use, why would they need so many grinding bowls if they where only harvesting wild grains that are much smaller. After watching Graham Hancock on JRE and his lack of evidence it got me thinking about the explanation of the bowls and if there is an anomaly that isnt yet explained its why would they need all those bowls when they arent supposedly needed for at least another 2000 to 3000 years in the future of the area.
@@dreddykrugernew You know a grinding bowl could be used for paints and pigments as well, right?
@@Andy_Babb they would be detected like they are on objects that have been buried, when we are looking at the statues from Karahan Tepe what we are not seeing is them painted in all their glory. The bowls are for grinding grains and some for pigments maybe but again you wouldnt need on average 7 a day being made if one will last a substantial amount of time.
Beer in the fridge. A Karahan tepe special at 18.30. Perfect Friday night.
Yes, I am old.
😂😂😂😂
I'll see your beer and raise you a Manhattan on ice.
BlackBerry brandy drizzled over vanilla ice cream will suit me just fine.
Right there with you with some Weihenstephaner.
Cheers, dude.
it's safe to say a culture began way before any of it's construction projects. there was a sophistication already present.
Archeology will cancel you
There must have been a wooden age before the stone age, no? It's probably just all lost. I'm sure people did amazing stuff out of wood before they made tools that could shape stone so well.
I think you're confusing culture and civilization.. you might want to look up the definition for both
Gotta agree with the other comment here, civilisation is definitely more rigidly defined than culture. Any group of humans living with one another is going to create a culture of some sort, it's just a natural way of relating to other beings you live around.
What did they shape the wood with...@@Quakez0r
Yours is the only channel that films professionally to give us TIME TO SEE each item or landscape. Thankyou for your literate narration and excellent film-making
The Gobekli and Karahan stuff makes me feel confident that we will keep finding older sites like this. Maybe just off the coasts or just deeply buried like these were.
Why do you say that when the Tepes prove the oldest cultures were inland?
@@mrbaab5932 not necessarily saying in that region. Just submerged coasts worldwide
Yamaguchi monument is underwater and was last above water over 10k years ago. It has not been excavated yet. @@mrbaab5932
@@mrbaab5932They are found inland because dryer climates are more common inland and preserve stone construction. Also people are more likely to build with stone when there are fewer trees. Wet climates destroy artifacts rapidly, but like today, wet climates would of had larger populations. Thus we are only seeing that which was preserved and not the vastness that actually existed.
I find them all over Google Earth. I save all my screenshots. I should make video of them all. Only one had evidence of looting.
When I see something like Karahan and Gobekli Tepe it occurs to me that these were not their 1st attempts so to speak. It looks to me that whoever built them already had the design and methods needed perfected... which would mean that there are even older sites yet to be found.
Maybe even right below these more successful attempts
@@Dusty_Den I can't help but wonder who would find who stranger. Those people if they somehow encountered modern people,or vice versa? It's interesting (for me anyway) to wonder about. With no real knowledge of them and no way of knowing if they wondered about far in the future humans, we'll never know. Forget any aliens, I'd rather encounter those humans lost in the mist of time.
Look up Boncuklu Tarla, Mureybet, and Tell Qaramel for some sites in the region that are slightly older than Karahan Tepe and Gobekli Tepe. If you want something that is a lot older, you can look up Ohalo 2 for a settlement that is twice as old as Gobekli Tepe.
The problem is that if you get much older than Gobekli Tepe and Karahan Tepe they were using wood as the main building material rather than stone. Unless there were some exceptional circumstances (like what happened at Ohalo 2), wood isn't going to stay preserved for 12,000+ years and has long since rotted away.
@@toddkloos3965 Thank you for the recommendation(s). I'm always looking to learn about places that are little known,at least little known to myself. 95% of CZcams is truly a cesspool, but the remaining 5% consists of things worth the time. Whether about ancient times or deep space, I'm all in. Enough of my blathering, thanks again for pointing me in the right direction.
There will always be places found older than those already known. In history, there is always something older than what is consideret the oldest.
This is as incredible as the Gobekle Tepe doc! Every time I learn something new about the history of our civilization, I feel closer to humanity. Your narration gives life to a long lifeless people in our ancient past. It’s like meeting the ancestors of our ancestors. If only we all as the flame bearers of the past could put our differences aside for but a moment, we might hear what our history is trying to tell us. We wouldn’t keep each other from learning the truth of our beginnings. It is adventurers and investigators such as yourself that will keep our link to the past strong and available to all mankind. Your efforts and your incredibly hard work do not go unappreciated or unnoticed!
Great comment! Had to screenshot 😊😊
It's a tragedy that every time humans find some new religion, they feel like they have to utterly destroy all the accumulated wisdom that came before them. The whole "conquering" mentality has probably kept humanity from evolving more than anything else. In the end you don't conquer anything - you just throw humanity back into the dark ages again. And again, and again.
And we're getting ready to do it again over the next 50 years or so.
For all of our conceited intelligence, we still don't get it.
We're still going to cause our own downfall.
Hi. I'm from Mexico and have been really interested on these recently investigated places. Last year my favorite museum in the country, the National Museum of the World Cultures opened a permanent exposition about Turkiye and includes réplicas of Gobekli Tepe and other sites. I was very excited when I heard the news
Our ancestors are inspiring. I hope one day we can also explore our imagination and embrace nature instead of looking at spreadsheets all day
Nope. We will build giant megalithic spreadsheets so our descendants will know the score.
If you are looking at spread sheets all day that's a choice you make daily. You must have other talents, just look for them.
Thats up to you, as long as you eat meat, you cant embrace nature.
@@davidnewland2461this. You only see spreadsheets because that's what you choose to see
You put an unbelievable amount of effort into your videos.
They are created at an extremely high level.
Glad you like them. Thanks very much. Plenty more on the way!
Pete, you make the most thoughtful and inspiring videos. I've been subscribed for a long time but this one gets a patreon subscription for as long as I can. Keep us thinking; keep moving us to look at these things from different perspectives and compare them, not only to others of that time but to our own times. Thank you for your hard work and dedication; it is very important work and very much appreciated.
Thanks very much. I appreciate the comment
Funny how none of these supposed "experts" ever think of the obvious. It's a if they never read a book that wasn't funded by a university or been part of a community outside of elitism. Half man half beast, scary a joke. More likely hunters dressing like that which they want to get closer to so they can kill it. Or wearing a leopard skin while gathering berries so a leopard wouldn't attack its own. Just like hikers today wear hats with cat eyes on the back so big cats won't attack from behind.
It could also represent the leaders of certain things. A man being seen as being a strong as a bear. Another as fast as a leopard. Another jumpy like a heron. I still go with men dressing to imitate the heron to attack animals for hunting.
check out fall of civilizations!
@@m00nmanners Oh, I love that channel too! I have watched some episodes over and over. My favorite one is The Sumerians.
@@ellen4956 So refreshing having these well thought out long form episodes rather than the same old 12 minutes episodes that touches on what most archeologically inclined people already know.
Hancock vs flint and now this 😍 best weekend ever.
Hancock is a lunatic.
Flintdibbler
@@Shutupandsquatnow cool story.
Fuck Handcock and Joe Rogan - they are both one of the reasons why our society has so much misinformation on our history - and of course that stupid show Ancient Civilizations (Lost Technology bullshit).
@@gregpenismith1248 cool penis.
It would be amazing to be a fly on the wall during the shamanic journeys of these ancient people. These discoveries are mind expanding in many ways.
Absolutely !
Me too brother, me too.
Well done. We visited Karahan Tepe & Göbekli 2 yrs ago and will be returning in June to see a few of the surrounding sites, Harbetsuvan Tepesi, Kurt Tepe, Sefer Tepe, Tashitepe, and further East to Boncuklu Tarla. Any other sites you would recommend?
Looking forward to more of your videos
I’m jealous! That will be amazing :) you could add Cayonu to the list
@@HistoryTime Thank you, added
At least some content on CZcams doesn't make your brain all mushy 😅 Thanks for the great job! Well done! 🎉🎉
Some truly fine writing here. Bringing in the shamanic theme really makes Karahan Tepe come alive. "A temple of memory." Great.
I’m reminded of Indigenous Australians who integrate their totem creature with their identity, ritual, law, and culture. While Indigenous people have varying and fluid ways of identifying themselves into several groups at once, it is very common for different groups to be identified by different species in the environment.
Thank you and as An Australian we have a 50 thousand year old civilisation .All mankind is great and all civilisations worthy of study but why do we keep looking to Europe for ‘the oldest’ when we know the two oldest are in Africa and Australia? I’m not a fan by the way on the hunt for “ the oldest “ implying oldest gives some superiority value. But just wonder why we do not recognise one that is oldest and continuous
Yeah but in a very simple and primitive way and they stoped, basically at that!
You and Fall of Civilizations are my two favorite history podcasts. Cannot pay you high enough compliments for the work you do. Bravo. 🙏
History Time and Fall of Civs are the best history channels on YT! You guys are awesome
Your background music choices have always been great, but I think this time you nailed it beautifully! The music around the Stonehenge introduction was just perfect
YAAAYYYYEEESSSS!!!!! An hour and 45 minutes on KARAHAN Tepe!!!! Thank You, Good Sir. ❤️
One could spend 3 lifetimes exploring and excavating and still never really know what took place on and in these amazing places. I would give almost anything to be able to poke around for a bit. Great video! I enjoy all of them and appreciate all your hard work in bringing them to us.
Thanks!
Love, and look forward to your work, every time. I especially love how you do list all of your references in the info section, show the books/historians you are referencing, and give multiple points of view.
Glad you like it! Much more to come
I have to watch Pete’s videos several times because they relax me so much that at some point I nod off.
I leave them on quite often in the evening to drift off to
I wish he’d do versions without the background music just for this purpose…though this one is kind of relaxing.
Happy 420 ladies and gentlemen. Enjoy the day! What a fabulous time for Pete to drop another masterpiece.
I found this channel a while ago, obviously one of the millions-of-views videos, and I went on a dive of basically everything. Love the content
For a long time we were told that Gobekli was an anomaly. Now it’s obvious this was a HUGE civilization/culture.
parents or teachers seeing the drawing of phalluses: GROW UP
archeologists seeing the drawing of phalluses: MUST BE RELATED TO RITUAL
Hi Pete thanks for yet again another brilliant documentary. Can't express my gratitude for your work enough I really enjoy watching your documentaries over and over 😊
Incredible production. Thank you for this
i love ancient history it such a fascinating ear, so i love channels like this, you guys also go super in depth about it as well
This spanned three thousand years. It is like expecting continuity from the bronze age to the present. Succeeding cultures would have had only the ruins of previous cultures to build on with possibly only a vague inherited tradition from the past.
It's possible that they had an unbroken line of knowledge passed from one generation of priests to the next.
@@slappy8941It's noted on old Greek letters and philosophy that the earliest ancient Egypt Priests they interacted with would make note of Civilizations that were so old as to have been forgotten.
History Time, This is fantastic! I subscribed because I love it!
It’s wild to think it’s humanly possibly to invest so much time in construction living a hunter gatherer lifestyle.
This is, hands down, one of the most beautiful presentations I've seen in a minute.
Thank you.
Yours is one of 3 channels on which I've activated the "bell notification". I don't want to miss any of your uploads. Thank you so much!
Thank you for this!
Absolutely astonishing! Such a great video, the best i have ever seen on the subject. Where did you get these remarkable videos and pictures? Keep up the great work!😉
Pete, you are simply put; Brilliant. I don't have an accurate count on how often I've watched your 'sea peoples' documentary, since it's just so much more in depth than anything remotely close, even by official channels.
Keep up the good work, and hope you're getting enough to scrape by from patrons, because you do top actual, respected, TV channels like bbc in fact checking and deep dive analysis. Love this video, first real video I've found on youtube on Karahan Tepe. Just... Brilliant. Wish you all the best, regards from Iceland, Addi.
Always excited for a new video. Thanks Pete 😊
Thank you again, Pete.
I lived in Istanbul. Turkey is a beautiful vast and culturally rich Country. Beautiful People, beautiful Country. I wish I could visit one more time in My life. I would love to see all of these places.
You couldn’t pay me to go back to Turkey. I have been there six times.
Just a shame that 1,000 years ago the inhibators of then Anatolia were brutally killed in the name of Islam.
@garyfrancis6193 I love Turkey, it has some of the most beautiful places I've ever seen. I'm not sure how Anyone can not like Turkey.
What happened the last time you went? @@garyfrancis6193
Easily my favourite content creator across all platforms!
Thanks again as ALWAYS Pete for another fantastic fascinating video!
Your hard work towards history is so inspiring 😮
Mystery laden images, voicing and music. What a day to be alive!
Thank you. Great presentation.
New subscriber .
Thank you for this
What an incredible video. So damn fascinating, thank you for bringing it to light!
What you have created here, this video, is the greatest thing to come out of the internet and you tube era. If I were 10 years old today and had access to works of creative brilliance like this... I was 15 minutes into this video when I realized it was going to go on for almost two HOURS!!! just incredible. I feel like if this were a high budget BBC or PBS production, you would not have gotten to see the road approaching the site, and gotten that sense of personal connection with the discussion of the people who recently lived nearby. And so much meaning comes from seeing these things and knowing more completely about such an amazing place. Anyhow - I say thank you so much for bringing this to us - and again, this piece of creative work is truly the greatest example of what we have done as a culture with the technology of the internet.
Absolutely fantastic content and narration
Nothing can pull me out a slump like a fantastic video from the goat. THANK YOU PETE
@HistoryTime Jeez the dedication you have, what an in-depth and engaging commentary of our misunderstood and mostly undiscovered past. Truly inspiring ❤️🔥
Incredible documentary. So we’ll researched, thank you 👍
Fascinating! I have always been interested in archeology.
Watching this while substitute teaching High School Art. My day absolutely cannot get any cooler!
The best documentary, by far, on this topic. Extremely well written with some remarkable new ideas and fantastic footage of the whole region. 👍
Wow, I really admire your dedication to this fascinating subject. Thank you for the excellent work!
Very well done documentary, you won't get this level of quality from a cable corporate history channel that's for sure. Thank you dude!
You are a great storyteller and documentarian. Thanks!
I love this channel and commend the excellent research done and the way the narrative is expressed. Keeps someone like myself who has a tough time staying focused, engaged from start to finish.
This is really fascinating, thanks for making great videos
Damn this is good. About 10 minutes in and Im amazed. Been watching alot about Gobekli and Ive been wanting to get to this. Excellent vidoe with so much to think and study on. AWESOME
Glad you like it. More on the way!
Keep up the quality and duration. We are watching everything you produce.
Thanks for watching. appreciate it !
Wonderful content! Thanks for all of your hard work!!
Thanks so much!! Brilliant job you did
Fascinating!
Great video.
very inspiring video, thank you for your work!
I am always amazed by the amount of work you put into these videos. This is the best history content available today. Thank you
Great video Pete! I never understood why when I worked construction, people would draw phallis's in the port a potties on the job site, I guess people have been fascinated by them for thousands of years!
But were they bow hunting elk with massive erections on both sides, lol those guys were tripping!
Such a fan for all your vids! But bruh I absolutely love the long ones more than any other channel
I cannot thank you enough for your videos… absolutely fascinating content ❤
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I'd like to suggest:
To keep going with the ""Hajj to Mecca" concept, Mecca was also a very important trade center.
It seems to me like those meeting places, the Taş Tepeler, may have been dedicated to trade as well.
Congratulations on the content you are putting out. Excellent work
I'm 5 mins in and already this is my favourite film about this area...thank you!
Thanks❤🎉👍
I feel like I’ve been waiting so long for this! 😂
Yep, 40'000-10'000 years!
@@dannydetonator well played lol
We truly have no idea how many civilisations were built Advanced, destroyed only to have to start all over again and repeat.
You're hands down the best history (in this case pre-history) documentarian I've come across. Your presentations are top-notch, polished, and thorough.
Of all that is known, "perhaps" is the only answer to be offered.
THERE WILL ALWAYS BE ANOTHER CIVILISATION OLDER !!!
Well done once again. Outstanding presentation.
I was at the museum in Sanliurfa last week ,I'm in midyat this week ,love that you brought this out when I'm on holiday.
"trois" being pronounced as "troy" has a certain nails-on-chalkboard quality to it.
For Americans: try 'trwah'... meaning: 'three'.
Sorry about my butchering of French words. As a Brit it is physiologically impossible to reproduce the language of France
I wouldn’t worry about it - the French disapprove of 90% of how other French pronounce French! If you’re from Quebec or Haiti or the ‘provinces’ you know what I mean!!!
Quite the documentary. Master Kelly, you've surpassed yourself. We may now be able to acclaim how civilizations began.
Once again a very interesting video. Thank you
This was a fun ride! Can't wait to see what else is found
Cool video. Thanks for putting it together.
thanks for watching !
I think we lack the necessary context to understand the ambitions of whoever made this place.
Fantastic video, with so much indepth analysis. Living in Istanbul for a number of years, we managed to visit Göbekli Tepe a couple of years ago, also visiting the fantastic Șanliurfa and Gaziantep museums, plus the famous beehive houses at Harran, near the Syrian border. It was a fantastic experience and now Karahan Tepe is next on the list.
Thank you for sharing your work
Im so sack deep into Pete Kelly right now! The guy does a great job
Sack deep?
Man is getting too excited about the penis idols
Sack deep?
CZcams premium is width every penny for me. This is just absolutely superb
Watching without premium (and it has no ads )
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Thank you for sharing this amazing place.
Well done. This takes SO much work. 👏👏👏
It seems logical from the evidence that permanent habitat was the prerequisite for agriculture. Not the other way around as often assumed
Although it wouldn't surprise me if hunter gatherers planted for new fruit trees before moving on. Whether this counts as agriculture I don't know.
Realize that before permanent agriculture there was part time agriculture, from 23,000 to 10,000 years ago. They planted left over seeds from their winter storage. Thwy did hunting gathering in the summer and then harvested planted and wild plants in the fall. Finally going back to hunting gathering and stored seed along with grain eating in the winter.
you can't just turn a switch to go from mobile hunter gatherers to agriculturalists. Pre-Agricultural sedentary cultures relied on what was available. Domestication was gradual so it only be somewhat of a mix of both.
Maybe and, hear me out, “civilization” started in different places at different points in time.
True
I don't think that point is in dispute here, it's more a question of when it first arose.
There are no indigenous people. We all came from other places.
A hard edge beginning of civ seems like a wrong headed idea. There was complexity in society and culture before sedentism.
@cherylkonopasuek9582 yeah Africa
Thanks great video bud
Awesome video ! Thank you for sharing . Happy week to you !