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- ‘It was clear on several occasions that Liz Truss didn't know what she was talking about... particularly on economic matters'.
Andrew Neil gives a brutal analysis of Liz Truss' performance in the run-up to her short but turbulent time as PM.
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Jonathan Pie said about Truss: "She killed the Queen, Crashed the economy and then "F&@ked off." That's the most accurate statement so far.🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jonathan Pie was also very happy to accept Putin's money until recently... 🐸☕
I'm no truss fan btw
@@tzvi7989 your evidence?
She never gave interviews because she had nothing to say
Alternatively, party management dared not unleash her diatribe on the nation.
She did have one thing to say that became a mantra: I'm for a high growth economy. That was her only reply to any question and everybody worked out very quickly that she had nothing else to offer.
The problem was she only had one thing to say we have delivered on the energy price guarantee due to Putin's diabolical war in Ukraine. However not all questions corresponded with that.
That's because she's a " wooden personality" with no emotional intelligence, ( She is married to a Chief Accountant that should say everything) has no idea of the hardships, and struggles of regular people, but those in poverty!
It's better to be silent than talk nonsense about Peppa Pig
FFS.We have turned ourselves into a basket case country.
Johnson never gave interviews, but the media gave him a free pass.
Correct. Media preferred the surface, not what was actually beneath it
I think they were just relieved not to have to talk to him. Uphill battle, that.
"bread and circuses" = media corporate profits
media liked that johnson was easy bank: "OH HEY, he's wacky so ... here's a clip w/o commentary besides 'oh SO bojo!' (He'sEtonSoIt'sAllJustFunnySoDon'tQuestionItDontchaknow)"
True but but he was grilled and humiliated by Andrew Neil a few years ago.
Yes, he didn't, but he was criticised in the media for doing so. Andrew Neil especially criticised him. However, the 'media', which is a very broad term, were considered to biased against him. Therefore it worked out for him - and he won a 80 seat majority.
So how could Conservative Association members still vote for her? It seems to illustrate just how removed from the rest of us these people are. Accepting the possibility of media bias, in most of the interviews of Tory voters I've seen/heard they seem to come across as completely out of touch with modern thinking and/or what most of us 'proles' would consider reality...
Many of them (the tory members) said that they didn't understand why Boris was sacked in the first place.
This is beyond parody now, if Boris comes back there will be riots demanding a general election.
Spot on, perhaps these journalists should disclose who they voted for so their opinion can be mire accurately assessed.
@@alanpattinson6211 But they would lie, and you would not know.
52% voted for Brexit and that is a complete disaster. It shouldn't be a popularity vote. It should be a vote on abilities and policies. 99% of economists said her policies would be disasterous (just like they said Brexit would be bad for the country), guess what the experts have been right both times...
Absolutely Agree
We need a general election sooner rather than later 🤦🏼♀️
Like he'll we do labour would be worse
At least rishi is sticking up fir the country keir doesnt
I was in a restaurant when the news of Truss broke & the whole place erupted in joy.
It says all we need to know.
When Andrew Marr mentioned the candidates who fancy their chances I was reminded of Robert Burns poem ‘Such a Parcel of Rogues in a Nation’.
😅😅😅
Great song by Steeleye span
Lasted about as long as Neil did at gbnews
Underrated
😂well said.
The Tories can't fix the damage they have caused over the past 12 years. This didn't start with Truss. And every single Tory has allowed this to go on for the sake of their job. Not for the sake of the country. Sick of it. Get them out.
It was caused by L dWn and helping Germany take ukrain.
Didn't labour support those policies too?
@@resistancefighter9009 it was caused by what??
@@resistancefighter9009 Yes! For God's sake L dWn should be behind bars
@@resistancefighter9009 My brain has just deleted its own cookies reading your reply.
I know less ‘things’ as a result
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT...i'm sick to death with them potecting their
" Derrieres"
Let’s not forgot Boris famously avoided interviews (unless completely soft boiled) or scrutiny of any kind
And BoZo is up again. There are no grown ups left in the party. 😐
Ahh yes Hunt and Sunak - a match made in heaven - prepare for small state, selling of the NHS and austerity on steroids
Hunt is compromised by the CCP.
And further erosion of our rights.
Appalling vista for sure.
While I hold Marr and Neil in some regard, I balk at the suggestion that they or the media would have ‘uncovered’ the flaws in Trussonomics if only they had been allowed to interview her. The issues were there to see. Indeed, Sunak (of whom I am no supporter) laid them bare. Marr, Neil and the media failed to report them. They should show greater humility for their failings, not attribute blame to others.
To be fair even if they had reported the concerns right wing tories would have cried bias reporting as they are always accusing the BBC of and would have voted truss anyway
These 2 are certainly full of themselves.
Antony the are both like the tories just in it for the money they would sell their souls, if the had one, for money. Don’t forget how Marr behaved whil on the BBC tories treated with kid gloves while, for example, Nicola Sturgeon ?
Eh - yea! - What Planet did you fall from. We are talking about Politicians.
Andrew Neil, from Tory Central Orifice and Rupert Murdoch to his lips.
Although his personal views may not be great you cannot refute his skills as a journalist when interviewing these sorts of people making sure they're held to account regardless of his personal beliefs
Yes.
@@tzvi7989 Delusional
I love the way that the interview with Laura K is not classed as “serious” interrogation.
yeah well Andrew is not at the BBC anymore😂
that would be because it's not....LK is no more than a tory stooge.
LK’s interview was fluff. It was all about testing Truss’s public persona. Did she look and sound like a leader. But that wasn’t the issue- the issue was one of policy and competence.
Do we know what the ratings are for her show? Can see it really tanking.
I haven’t seen the rating, but the show is pretty dire. LK is just not suited to that format.
Come on, we all knew how bad she was, she couldn't do interviews of any kind, let alone robust ones! It was obvious, and it was obvious the tory party knew as well. Just look at the way they coordinated all the 6 weeks of the televised leadership talks. Audience filled with clapping seals, no hard questions from the host. The tory party did this. Remember that in a weeks time.
I'd say there were definitely some difficult questions asked, for example the Sky news anchor Kate Burley asking Liz about all her flip flops over the years.
It needs to be out to the country now, not 80,000 Conservative cronies who pay to be associated with this shower. They had a choice, made it, and are as culpable as Lizzie. Nor does it sit right that Tory MP's or 1922 Committee get to foist a new Patsy on us. The Country should decide who has a mandate moving forward.
That would be democracy - you're insane!
Brilliant summary
@@jonathanwalker8730 we can only live in hope.
I think its time for the King to step in, dissolve parliament and call a general election. Won't hurt his popularity if anything cement it.
well he's not going to do that...
@@zerolubin why not? we usually have a GE when a monarch dies. or do the history ignorant right wingers not know that?
He cant do that
The last monarch who attempted that lost his head
He should be asking for some re-assurance...a little chat is all.
The only thing Johnson knows how to do well is lie through his teeth
could be argued that he didn't do that very well either
boris is actually a master at waffling
What the country needs, Mr Neil, is a General Election.
I vote for the "Lettuce".
@@Kernovia
Well, it’s a FPTP system.
Either vote Tory. Continue the nightmare.
Tactically vote- and consider that a dead dog might do better than our current government. Couldn’t do any worse.
Or vote for some independent and waste your vote.
We won’t get PR so those are the choices.
Exciting times.
@@lisasweeney9676 What are you on about? What specifically have Labour done that makes them a "dead dog" considering that they currently have the biggest lead any party has had since the 1990s? Either give some specifics or GTF out of here with the dishonest "BoTh sIDeS!!1!" rhetoric you're parroting from the Daily Mail.
What for, Boris won a massive majority to lead the country but was confounded by dark forces 😕
@@lisasweeney9676 Revolution first!! and then independent party, or well balanced coalition.... But we're mainly 🐑 🐏 🐑 🐏
BTW......Andrew muppet Neil...💩
She is no more as useless as most in Parliament. We have a distinct lack of a decent number of parliamentarians who could command the respect of those from times past. A general election might be the chance the country needs to clear out the dead wood, hopefully, better people replace them.
No Truss is totally useless.
Drain the swamp as one guy put it....
Absolutely!
"im a fighter not a quitter"
*24 hours later Lizz Truss retires as Prime Minister*
Yes. Shown to be just another self seeking Tory lier.
Lol
My own observation is that the UK is already engaged in coalition politics. The Conservative party is itself a coalition of differing and hostile factions
Anyone who voted Brexit didn't know anything about economics .
Hey. That I don’t know. But you don’t know politics. EU will sink fast soon.
correct
Who were the biggest cheerleaders for THAT mini budget? The folks at GB News. The channel you started mr Neil. Pretty shameful And embarrassing legacy to leave behind
One of the problems with Boris Johnson was he didn't know anything about anything.
General election Now kick the Tories out
Amen
What a tragic state of affairs to have to rely on Hunt and Sunak for the economic stability of the country.
Sunak warned us though.
To be fair Sunak definitely knew what he was talking about as the events have shown. Guess his packaging is not to the liking of dime who love package more than the contents.
no .. the way we get back is to pressure the backbenchers to trigger a General Election .. this country is in a bad place .. and who ever is in next has a mere 18 months before yet another change of gov
Best of a bad bunch.
How much was the framework d n covid loans again?
Andrew Neil sounds like he's in a dressing gown stumbling around an expensive hotel suite drinking champagne from the bottle.
Blue Nun, surely.
She struggled reading the script, let alone firing off her own neurons...
I mean that cheese comment a few years ago was very compelling
😂😂👍
THERE SHOULD ONLY BE ONE OPTION AND THAT IS A GENERAL ELECTION SHOULD BE HELD.
Capital letters, what an angry man you are😅😂🤣
Need an election ASAP
Her resignation speech demonstrated what a deeply strange person she is. No emotion and delusional.
Theresa May broke down(almost in tears) during her exit - Truss was SMIRKING.
Probably smirking because of the £18,000 severance pay and the £115,000 a year pension. Not one of these charlatans have the country at heart. The focus on the country is the tax payers money that they can wrongly be entitled to and more often for their failures during their tenures. Cameron,May, Johnson and now this narcissist Truss
I found the entire statement was a twisted reflection of the country. Her smirk, her delusional lies, the protestor on the megaphone at the end of the street. Such a bizarre world.
She's very robotic and "spectrum-ish" I think
I think she was smirking because she had to go out and embarrass herself in front of the whole world as shortest ever PM so she is trying to not laugh at the situation
@@theophrastusbombastus1359 I’m autistic. Please don’t confuse a complete lack of empathy with being on the spectrum.
It's funny that all these people who knew that she didn't know what she talking about at the time, but didn't really say anything.
Rishi did, but unfortunately the Tory membership weren't listening 🙁
Sumak said her economic plan was fantasy.
rishi did but the white tories were'nt going to listen to advice from an aisian.
@@trinihammer yup, that's what I thought and that's why he won't be PM either.
Odds are they'll pick Johnson, who'd fire Hunt, and replace him with someone eager to lower the top rate at the earliest opportunity. Their contempt for everyone outside the Party is palpable.
That there are Conservative who would seriously think of bringing back Boris, after all that has happened, is sheer lunacy and set to cause more problems. It comes from a deluded disconnected bubble that puts factions within a party above the country and reality. It was those factions and their maneuverings that led to Truss and much else before. As Neil says its time for grown up centrist objective people to steady and unite things.
If he does come back then the real show would be just starting & we should all prepare to grow even thiker skin as the laughing stock of all nations. I shudder to imagine 😮😮😮
It's very true that whoever the new PM is, they must come equipped with a very strong personality, be able to prove a clear understanding of high-level fiscal matters and demonstrate greater leadership qualities than Jeremy Hunt, whilst having no 'hidden skeletons' in their cupboard. Is there any Tory MP that can deliver that? I honestly doubt it, myself.
No one I can see on the Labour benches either, to be fair...
@@si_w8201 You probably couldn't name 5 Labour MPs without Googling them, so I'm not sure your opinion is worth much here.
@@johnmartinez7440 and then there's this type of comment. How quickly it goes low, spinning out the personal attacks. How on earth do you know if someone can or can't name 5 Labour MPs, and why is that relevant to a proper debate? How can you say an individual's opinion is worth less than yours? Stick to the issues, not ad hominem.
@@johnmartinez7440 very true
You just made every Tory illegitimate
I have to give it to Boris when it comes to his impeccable consistent lying 🤥
They all lie , might as well have the best 🙂
She tried and failed to deliver the hard Brexit Neil and others wanted so much.
Suella tried to but Truss wouldn't let her.
In an Old Folks' Homes,doctors would often ask elderly patients " Do you know who the Prime Minister is ? " They can't ask that now, as no one knows.
these people talk like this crisis of incompetence happened 6 weeks ago, it's been going on for 6 years
It was touch and go, between her having a psychotic break or resigning.
And thinking about it, I think the psychotic break won. 😐
Towards the end she often looked she was on the brink of a panic attack. That habit she developed of scarpering off the stage ASAP was very disconcerting.
First there was U-Trun Lizzy, now there is U-Turn party. They sacked Bojo, now want him back - U-TURN!!!
What does this party stand for? What can you trust them to stand for?
never trust a tory
There have been so many U-turns (and seem to be more in the pipeline) that I no longer have any idea what direction we're pointing in.
You can trust the tories for one thing - taking care of their own - the super rich
THEMSELVES
Conservatism is a joke, it’s liberalism in lower-gear. They stand for nothing except saying “hey guys let’s just try and slightly slow down the moral and social collapse of the nation”
Andrew is not in a position to judge other peoples disastrous career moves.
He didn't run the country..
Fair point on GB news.
But on the other hand you are dead wrong. … it is his job. 🤷♂️
Andrew Niel is one of the guilty ones for Brexit and its inevitable consequences batting for his ex-boss.
I would like to see him admit to his mistakes.
How come he has left GM news?
If Truss didn't know what she was talkng about on economics, what does it say about the economic literacy of Conservative Party members who voted for her?
it was nothing to do about economics, it was about the colour of your skin. they would rather have a dumb white girl run the country than a bright intelligent business minded brown man.
@@trinihammer I was addressing a specific point made in the piece. The final short list of five for the Tory leadership included only one white male and he got voted out first. All of them had previously passed constituency membership committees composed of the same electorate of party members. It therefore appears that the colour of your skin is not necessarily the determinative factor here. Had Rishi Sumak not left Johnson's cabinet at the last moment, he might well have won last time. He was certainly making ground during the leadership campaign and within the week hew may yet be PM..
@@markaxworthy2508 there is no way on earth them white tory members are going to vote for rishi to be PM. if johnson can muster 100 members to get him over the line the white tory faithful in a one on one contest between rishi and johnson will choose johnson.
@@trinihammer You are pushing a purely racial agenda here. Johnson would quite possibly defeat ANY other contender, white or not, if it were put to the Tory party membership, I would remind you of the point I made earlier about the last leadership contest: "The final short list of five for the Tory leadership included only one white male and he got voted out first. All of them had previously passed constituency membership committees composed of the same electorate of party members. It therefore appears that the colour of your skin is not necessarily the determinative factor here."
I don't know whether you support Labour, but I would ask you when can we expect the first Black or Asian Labour Chancellor, or woman leader? If race is an issue, it doesn't seem to be a particularly Conservative one!
@@markaxworthy2508 you hit the nail on the head its not a conservative one or a labour one for that matter. Race is an issue however its a white english people one.
If Johnson is brought back - and Lord knows the Tories are cracked enough to do it - I honestly believe there'll be unrest on the streets and even riots. Should that happen the King (first time in my life I've ever referred to the Monarch that way) should consider dissolving parliament and calling for an election. Let's get this charade over with.
Well said. I don't believe in unevessary violence but i do feel the King has to get involved. After all its his government.
Having the monarch step in does set a very dangerous precedent (especially when everyone's always been worried about Charles doing that). I think the best way to get a GE would be for the public to protest, and for the strikes to step up a notch to force the Tory MPs to call for one. Maybe the King could give a televised address where he hinted that an election was needed, that might be enough to sway some of the more stubborn traditionalists in the conservatives.
I knew it the moment the debate presenter fainted and that debate was never rescheduled.
After she made such a song and dance about cheese, I recently saw that five-minute interview guy ask her just as a final light-hearted question, "What's your favourite cheese?" She even tried to avoid answering that, eventually reluctantly mumbling that she liked Stilton.
The country needs adults in all of the great offices of state, not just the PM and Chancellor.
Can anyone remember the last Home Secretary who was not chosen because they would be monstrous, or the last Foreign Secretary who didn't believe that Brexit would bring back the glory days of the British Empire?
The mortgage rate increase doesn’t just impact the home owners, my rent has just gone up because my landlord’s mortgage has gone up.
With all of the other increased expenses and because I’m self employed, I’m on the verge of real financial hardship if this trend continues.
This country is a mess and instead of doing the Nobel thing of taking pay cuts/ bonus cuts while the country is in crisis, our decision makers are expecting the constituents to bail them out, once more.
As the saying goes ‘every little helps’ but it seems to apply only to the working and middle classes, and how much money they can squeeze out of us.
Since 2020 this country and it’s inhabitants have had to carry the heavy burden of consequences brought around by the actions of a clueless party.
We are strained, we cannot keep bailing you out.
The reason you are having a hart time is because people are not working they are on benefits 😉
Liz Trust did not know what she was talking about and so was Boris Johnson and jet there is a big change that Boris will be back as PM and that says something about the incompetence of the Tory Party as a whole who are far to fixated by their rightwing ideology and Brexit is a stark reminder of that which is still not solved after 6 years because it was a totally impossible idea to go it alone and has also till now completely failed and this is a big set back for this country. So there should be now a general election and these Tory's must be voted out now.
Mr Neil : Why is it more important to reassure the markets than to reassure the voters?
Because governments serve the markets, voters are incidental?
@@Kavala76 Got it in one!
what exactly goes on at Oxford?
Really Andrew? Does democracy really work within a CASTE and CLASS system ?
Not when the rule of law is not followed.
9 million stealing my country.
17.2 commiting 🌳 son in the referendum.
Democracy is a failed system.
I agree with Rishi Sunak but not with Jeremy Hunt. Austerity measures are not the way forward.
We are shocked really
It's people like Andrew Neil who discredited 'big interviews'. Yes, the tories did their bit - but Neil's dishonesty, self-centered motivations & loyalties, partisan aggression and lack of any self-awareness whatsoever combined with craven attacks on anyone who tried to hold the tories to account... he sought to shape political journalism in his image, and he succeeded. James has the details on where that got us.
Hi, BoJo. Call yourself Simon now?
Great to listen to these fantastic interviewers talking together. More, please.
Both Andrew Marr and Andrew Neil called this wrong at first. They are in revisionary mode.
Didn’t Hunt campaign for leadership on a corporation tax cut to 15p? Now Neil hails him as a fiscal conservative. It’s incredible how forgetful / selective the media’s memory is.
Andrew Marr great addition to LBC. Please get Andrew Neil on LBC too. Great radio station
If you remember that we're " Leveling up" then things aren't really that bad!
Andrew Neil was singing the praises of the mini-budget two weeks ago.
Was he? missed that but sounds about right,Neil is full of himself thats for sure.
Gentlemen, you could do a sterling job... Both of you... 👏👏👏
I would like to point out something Andrew Neil said in his column in the Daily Mail on Saturday September 24th.- " Anyway there's a chance the markets will soon be pleasantly surprised by how little extra borrowing the Truss-Kwarteng package entails " . {This was the day after the mini-budget }. He got that one right didn't he ???. How credible are these "expert's really ". 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Thanks for posting.
Don't get me wrong I don't like her but how is someone meant to make change in just over a month. Also Jeremy Hunt is the worst out of the lot
where are the brexitters screaming democracy undermined with her being got rid of despite the members mandate no and the same should happen with brexxit they had no mandate
Andrew Neil seem really knowledgeable ✌️Credibility once lost is hard to regain👍
Imagine a Prime Minister, Truss, and a Chancellor, Kwarteng, who were so arrogant as not to consult the Office of Budget Responsibility and the Bank of England for advice on their budget! Sociopaths! We could see it coming a mile away!
But also fired Tom Scholar, the only credible economist in their government who disagreed with thier fiasco mini budget. 😅😅geniuses 😅
Lets have an amusing moment and think how she can spin it as a success in any future biography 😄😄
Under her leadership she never lost a by election!🙂
I'll definitely be looking out for that in my local charity shops 12 months from now. I loved Jeffrey Archer's 'Prison Diaries' in which he not only described his philanthropic helping of illiterate prisoners to write to their families but also compared his plight to that of Oscar Wilde.
@@jonathanwalker8730 he likely did that so they didnt beat him up.
Or make him drop soap in the showers
@@EnjoySynthSounds No, he regularly dropped soap in the showers but there were no takers. Even criminals have some standards.
There is a way the Conservative party can make the next leadership selection a bit more diverse, maybe involve people who are impacted by the new leader’s mandate and change in direction. Have a general election.
"Boris" was (as I remember) the only main party leader who ducked an interview with Andrew Neil before the 2019 election. Probably a wise decision....
Sunak is a rich boy, totally detached from the people. Mr. Austerity 2.0. Hunt, on the other hand, is a crook.
Nice pair.
Need to stop involving the membership in appointing the leader, that’s why we keep getting crazy candidates in both parties. MPs have a democratic mandate, paying a few £ and getting the right to appoint the PM is ridiculous.
Most of the MPs don’t know much about the matters they are supposed to look after.
Either of these two could have interviewed her before she was elected. Why didn’t they if they think it was in the public interests?
The tories would not have let truss anywhere near those 2
Are you sure Truss would have agree to interview with them?
I’m sure either would have jumped at the chance.
The great political interview was lost a long time ago in this country!
Remember... lizzy trussy is not a quitter... oh wait...
And I used to think that my country (Australia) has a revolving door Prime Ministership. In comparison to the UK, we have some of the most stable governments in the world. The UK has become a laughing stock.
the full tory party is trashed,they were done years ago
I said at the time "why have they made the cleaning lady Prime Minister after pants on fire Johnson ? "
All I head from conservatives is “THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION” and this self preserving ego driven idiocy is ultimately why the conservatives will crumble as party. How about who is best placed to HELP THE COUNTRY
She said loud and clear....'I am a fighter, not a quitter'...much earlier she had said in her PM campaign...' ..will help Ukraine win the war'
Her resigned is jz the right metaphor that Ukraine has lost the war without her around.
Earthshaking, enlightening, deep, wow.
I think the Tories should be put into 'special measures' and have civil servants make decisons until the next election, at least on the economy.
Jeez, did Andrew have a liquid breakfast?! x
If she didnt know what she was talking about as far as the economy was concerned then why was she put in charge of the economy ? ? ???
This country has gone effing Nuts !!!!
Andrew Neil still cogent and insightful of course, but he does sound a touch 'tired and emotional' here ,,,
I think he sounds like that most of the time but it’s accentuated when audio only. I don’t mean he’s “tired and emotional” all the time, btw!
Neil facilitated the entire Tory regime since Cameron. Can’t stand him
he sounds like he had a bit of wine
Both 'cogent' and 'insightful' are doing a LOT of work there...
Shell shocked from his own bad working holiday.
How is Andrew Neil working for Channel 4
Perhaps a compromise candidate would work?
Someone call Jim Hacker!
Or Nigel Farage?
Sunak has enough ‘baggage’ in the form of his wife’s financial affairs plus his quote about not knowing any working class people.
Tunbridge Wells video is going to take some living down too … no spotless but who else?
Why should it be about re-assuring the markets? It should be about who the PEOPLE want.
We need Anti Brexit prime minister immediately to prevent Bankruptcy in Britain.
Johnson was the first to avoid scrutiny like this. He won’t be the last.
Boris must never return
Brief but somehow reassuring exchange.
I wish commentators would stop saying 'we' did this or that when it is 'them', in this case a minority of Tory Party members and MPs, who 'did' it. My vote has only counted in one election nationally or locally since I started voting after 1974. So a lot of us feel totally excluded from politics; but not its effects, unfortunately. we cannot evade what 'they' keep on doing to us. If I had had my way, North Sea Oil revenues would have been reinvested in the country, not frittered away in tax handouts and the like. A lot of property-price inflation must be a consequence of this, for instance. And I would have made sure that house prices stayed at an affordable level by replacing sold-off social housing with new build social housing. Rent rises should have been linked to CPI or RPI ages ago, and there should never have been mortgage relief for private renters. There is very little in the way of Tory or Labour policy that I have agreed with and I have had no way of punishing either party for its myopia and general short-sightedness or help put things on the right lines. Joining a party would just mean conforming or being side-lined.