Did Dutch Van Der Linde Sustain a Brain Injury? - Red Dead Redemption 2
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Dutch got brain damage from smashing his head in from hearing about Raid: Shadow Legends so much
Micah... that's cringe.
@@Snauss Our time has passed, John
@@Snauss Micah! You cringey son of a bitch!
*COUGH* UHU UHUUHUUHU *dies
from cringe*
*dutch shoots Micah with house building theme song
He definitely had a brain injury. He didn't even take the gold back from the crone after killing her. Smh
Genki Dama Trunks I thought I was the only one that noticed
I noticed that too
haha yeah that did bother me. why would you not tack it.
didnt he say that the braithwaithes had no treasure?
I tried to go back and take it but I couldn't loot her.
That thumbnail is the god of reaction images
Braille in jury?
@@chickennuggets4823lung injury?
@@_heavyweaponsguyLumbago
@@mrnobody8316 Uncles Massive Ass?
Ass Injury?
This is ground zero for the absolute chaos that this fandom has become
The “is he stupid” for red dead fans
Why did you refer to a CZcams video as the ground? Are you stupid?
Brain in jury?
Dutch is more snake than Micach
It always goes full circle to the Aslume...
what do you mean?
It’s disrespectful how you call it the “head injury” it has a name. That name is Micah Bell.
Micah Bell is not a brain injury, it is a brain tumor
aw... i was gonna comment that.
jaguarstar 90 WRONG Micah Bell is brain CANCER
bold of you to assume we respect Micah
Micah’s a RAT!
Dutch: WE JUST NEED A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS AND THEN WE’LL BE SET”
*Arthur with $8132 in his back pocket 🤔*
The gang had a savings of around $45,000. That's the equivalent of having $1.2 million today. Idk if Rockstar did this on purpose to show that no matter what Dutch would truly never be satisfied with the amount they had, or if they just didn't account for inflation fully. The money system is kinda weird in this game, but I'm thinking that it's a mix of both.
Nah if they had the Blackwater money they'd be set, and that was like 24 grand
@George Gebhard that would be about $4,815,578.36 today apparently. oh, how money was more valuable back then...
Brandon Barton
Ya, back in my day we could buy a coke for 5 cents. And when Dutch was sane because raid shadow legends didn’t exist
Brandon Barton well to be fair they didn’t get the money from Blackwater until the gang disbanded
okbc has completely ruined my life
Lost polos herm anus
Chicken area
half a mill
r/okbuddychicanery users after running out of source material from the show to be used on shitty finger memes
Braille in jury?
Is there a lore reason why at the end of the game Arthur couldn't just respawn after dying, when he did it countless time before? Is he stupid?
Arthuh
@@Experiment53.We need muneh..
Arthuh, put your revolver away Arthuh, I'm not drawing right now, Arthuh
Fenton
@@Glassenjoyer.I know human beans, arthur
2:39 to skip the ad, because I know everyone's tired of having Raid: Shadow Legends crammed in their face.
This reply is sponsored by raid Shadow legends
Thank you good sir
this comment is really Underrated, must be pinned...
@@saintgarluth That might violate a contract.
@@masonharris9166 well then wheres the Moneh, Boah?
“We each got fifteen dollars, oh and a quarter, don’t forget the quarter!”
"Shut up, Arthur."
Gubbins I HAVE A PLAN!!!!
Freshie04 “You always have a god damn plan, Dutch.”
The fucking quarter yer hear boah
Leia Organa “I’m doing my best Arthur!!!”
Is there a plot reason on why Dutch didn't recollect the gold that he gave to the old lady that he just killed? Is he stupid?
That was exactly my thought after he killed her
He knew Spanish.
have a little faith, son. he was gonna go back for it
Pay more, pay now
My assumption was that he did collect it and the cutscene just didn’t show it, maybe he didn’t though lmao
Is there a lore reason as to why Dutch is vandalizing?
is he stupid?
What did Dutch mean by this?
At what point did you stop rooting for Dutch “braille in jury” van der Linde?
ESO doesn’t vandalise tho
Is he stupid?
I still think that all the good people who died: Hosea, Lenny, Sean they probably would have sided with Arthur and John
Kieran
Travis letchford most definitely even from the earlier chapters you could tell who had some sense and who didn’t Bill & Javier were both yes men but Javier should’ve known better
Sean wouldn’t lmao
And Kieran
Without a doubt. I think that, without those lovable renegades balancing out the clueless followers, Dutch lost his perspective. Arthur and John were outnumbered in the end.
Hosea's death also contributed to Dutch's madness, as Hosea was kinda of the smart and peaceful part of the gang leadership. Maybe Milton knew that Hosea was the brain of the gang and knew that killing hosea would destabilize them
Gabriel Schiavon if that is true Milton is damn good at his job
@@dimez3702 yeh no doubt, that's if it's true tho 🤣
If he did know it must've been micah who let him know
Gabriel Schiavon that would make sense since they got Hosea and John but he killed Hosea
Hosea was an old guy, and to reach that age doing what he does he must be a very smart player. Milton was a strategist, that's why he was aways in the gang's trail. That's my opinion tho
Is there a lore reason as to why Dutch always has a plan?
Is he not stupid?
He just needs time
Who is Dutch? Is he stupid or something?
@@fred5406 ..and money
Why did he listen to Micah? Is he stupid?
Braille in jury?
No comments
I feel offended, I was just tryna come up with a good plan
TAHITI
HaVe sOmE GoD DaMn FaiTH
Your ok boah
You always have a plan Dutch..
All they need was some god damn faith.
I think Hosea’s death really changed him as a person
Or he just showed his true self and hosea was the only one that was holding dutch's true nature back
Dutch and Hosea were Arthur's surrogate parents/fathers
It changed me Ik that
I think it was probably the Blackwater Massacre that changed Dutch.
It sure did you can see his face after he died and I think guarma made it worse for him
yeah mr white, yeah psy ants
Yeah Mr White yeah sigh hens
oppa gangnam style
one of the most iconic thumbnails of our time
Dutch this, Micah that, poor Arthur. Has anyone seen a damn English man called “Gavin”
How long have you been looking for him?
HE IS YOU *Epic music*
@@kriscorner9390200 years
@@mrmeme9991 Yikes. Might as well give up by year 80.
He us actually close to black water in a cave
When Bronte said "One thousand dollars to the man who kills him." He picked the wrong people to say that to. They all looked at him like he was some sort of idiot.
bill was sitting in the back like “wait really?”
Arthur sitting there with over $4,000 in his wallet.
Micah probably would have took it lol
Him killing Bronte is when I realized he went crazy he says we need more money so he kills a valuable man we could have sold
correction they looked at him BECAUSE he was an idiot
You know what is in the, “best interest of the gang”? Letting Micah swing in Strawberry in the beginning of the game.
yeah
Have another night of drinking and hanging with Lenny? No problemo.
Isn't that a secret ending, if so how do I get it?
@@easternrebel1061 no, it’s just a cool thought
@@negachin2948 that sucks
The brain damage theory is interesting, but I think the character of Dutch has always been somewhat questionable. When Colm O'Driscoll captures and tortures Arthur, Dutch doesn't do shit. He returns to the camp and does not mobilize to try to find Arthur. This event was the starting point for me to begin to question Dutch's character and intentions.
Even before that , he needlessly murdered a woman during the black water Massacre , Dutch was always bad he just had a good support system. When it was gone he was left to stew on his own madness
Thank you bro💯 as the game progresses i started to see that Dutch was bout as fake as he was real 😭 kind of all over the place
To be fair there, I don't think dutch even knew Arthur was kidnapped, the guys good at disappearing from camp for days on end
@@ZetsuboNoShima that's was enforced by mostly micah
Only a few hours has passed I don't think he knows that he's kidnapped and if he did know he was problably still figuring our what to do, but I don't think he knew.
Hosea was basically Dutch's therapist
Dutch went almost crazy after Hosea died and since he wasn't there to fix his mind, he kept getting worse with Micah manipulating him on top of that
His BFF too
@@jacksonpearce5273 Yeah good mates
I never did such a thing I was only looking after him since the old man died
Dutch had a very immature and idealistic goal of being a Robin Hood without the "give to the poor" part. Micah just fed his instincts, just like Satan in his snake form with Adam and Eve, he wasn't really trying to turn Adam and Eve evil, he was toying with their curiosity. Micah just had a shit ton of money in it if he succeeded though, with the Pinkerton deal, the Blackwater money, and all the other heists.
Yes Hosea’s death was Dutch’s breaking point Micah had Dutch confused that’s why he killed Micah when John confronted them he never knew Micah was responsible for Arthur’s death
John kind of help Dutch snap back into reality for a second just like how John couldn’t say anything once Dutch passed him Dutch had that seem feeling but his was guilt instead of shock thus he went completely insane not knowing who to trust and having so many people trying to kill him
I’m in chapter 2, the camp has almost 30k(thank you lennys simple trainer)I think and all upgrades, plus Micah is in jail and we have Kieran, Sean, Hosea and Lenny are still alive, Arthur hasn’t contracted tuberculosis and the pinkertons haven’t found our camp yet. I basically have the good ending already.
ayeeee
you still need more money
Might as well get more MUNEH
You have the money and the men but you need to have A GODDAMN PLAN ARTHUR.
And it all goes downhill from there lol
Greatest injuried mind I ever knew
Yes
Balls injury?
@@insertnamehere8470 ass injury
braille in jury
Kid named what a sick joke
Why do all these comments say "braille in jury"? Are they stupid?
They have braille in jury too I guess 😂
I was legit worried when I was skinning the legendary Alligator, Bronte's mangled corpse would spill out.
Would've been a cool detail
The legendary gator was kinda cool his white skin really helps finding him because he stands out
Just go fishing where Bronte was let off that boat
😂😂😂😂
That wouldn't have happened anyway because alligators wait untill there prey has gone rotten then eat them
Key factors:
1. There was a rat in his gang that led to him losing $150000 in a robbery.
2. The pinkertons are following him so he doesn't know if he will die in his sleep.
3. Everyone is blaming him and irritating him while he needs time to think alone.
4. People need to understand that he is human and makes mistakes.
5. Many people who have had know fro years died within a few weeks (Jenny, Davey, Mac and Sean (Dutch thought he was dead), Micah was to be hung)
6. He was getting to the age of a mid life crisis. We know that he would have been at least 40
7. Molly was getting very irritated and annoying Dutch as he was talking to other women (as well as men but the women are the main part) around camp to keep the morale up.
8. His head injury
9. His best friend for more that 20 years got killed, potentially because he drew attention to himself by kidnapping a major person in the largest city of the 5 starts in the game.
10. He loses an estimated $60000 (1.8 million today), making all his master plans fail so 20 peoples fates could be sealed.
11. He starts to be crazy and suspects that Arthur -whom he had know for 20 years- was betraying him. He would feel like he could trust no one.
12. The woman he loves is killed.
13. His whole gang falls apart, something he had built up for years.
14. He is told the only person that he still trusts was a rat and he feels betrayed.
Glxph Logan wow good job that’s some fair points.
Genuine question, didn’t he kill the woman he loves
Waluigi For Smash Colm killed Annobel, whom Dutch loved
"People need to understand that he is human and makes mistakes"
I'm not sure what you mean by this. As far as I could see, many folks around Dutch understood that he's made mistakes. They told him all the time about his wrong decision making. Dutch was the one who would not understand he is just a human and he's made mistakes
Glxph Logan ok i thought it was about molly but i now remember he didnt kill her either, thanks for the clarification
The dude who made the thumbnail is this generation's Oppenheimer
wow i dont think this youtuber is a jewish mass murderer. that's uncalled for
@@yamo511brain injury?
what did he mean by this?
Thumbnails a god tier reaction image
ok buddy black lung.
Erectile Dysfunction?
Post Nut Clarity??
"repetition of words" he does say he had a plan a lot during chapter 6
😳
He said that a lot throughout the whole game.
Brendan Greene i think you missed the joke mate
Yes I did. I feel silly.
He kept saying that he had a plan, that Arthur doubted him, that Arthur needed faith and
NOISE
NOISE!!
People still talking about red dead 2 story brings a smile to my heart
Stripey Arse O U T T A T H E D A M N W A Y
JR
*LENNY! LEENNNYYY!*
Why can’t they bring updates to it :(
Lucas Daniel L E N N A H
Lumbago Rdr2 online
Did Dutch forget about loyalty? Is he stupid?
😂😂
Braille in jury 🤨
Jessee my balls are stuck in the sink
"Dutch Van Der Linde the man we hate to hate"
You couldn't have said it better brother..
Micah Bell the man we love to hate.
Arthur Morgan the man we love to love.
John Marston the man we wish could swim.
@@tev0tv I ligit thought it was a joke when they said it in the game but when I jumped in the water I found out the hard way
I even hate to hate me
He acts distrustful of Arthur from basically the very beginning. I’m replaying the story and in chapter 2 Dutch said something like “you seen the type to betray me, in the end” to which Arthur showed some serious confusion
In a sense he was right when Arthur exposed Micha as a rat he said "All of you pick your side now because this is over"
MarchBloxBoy theone yeah arthur is the one to betray him but Dutch has already turned on the way him arthur and hosea started out with
*seem
*Micah
The Blackwater massacre definitely shook Dutch up badly. The fact that Arthur and Hosea, his oldest friends, weren't there when the clusterfuck went down makes it pretty easy to empathize with Dutch's paranoia. That said, I still think Dutch has syphilis induced psychosis.
*BRAIN INJURY?*
Kid named r/okbuddychicanery
ASS INJURY?
@@insertnamehere8470 Take it down now
*BRIAN INJURY?*
This is it. This is how it ends.
Is there a lore reason why Arturd has tuberculosis? Does he have a *lung injury?*
is he stupid?
a guy with tuberculosis coughed blood on arthur
no way mr mcgill you got me from 6 months county jail down to 3 weeks on probation
chicanery is surfacing, chuck alert
@@georgewhite4930 okbuddyblacklung moment
I'll never forget the scene with Dutch feeding Bronte to the gator and the looks on Arthur, Bill, and John's face and thinking "So this is where he starts losing his mind."
I remember playing the game for the first time and after that scene I was like, this is where Dutch lost his mind
From the beginning (as someone who hasn’t played rdr1) I really liked Dutch. He was a good character and a good guy. Then at this mission at the end I was fucking shocked. Like, “what the fuck did Dutch just do?!” Then it was just a downhill spiral.
@@finn.25 I could not agree more.
Personally, I always thought the gang was suffering from arsenic poisoning in chapter 6. They are right next to butcher creek, and the mine leaking the poison into river source which they are using. I know that that it is likely not the case, but I always thought it was a funny coincidence that the whole gang started acting really erratic at the same time they moved into Beaver Hallow.
Elysian pool is downstream from beaver hollow. Sorry, I jumped the gun. Thank you all for clearing up any misconceptions.
they started to act this way in Beaver Hollow because morale was low, they were at their wit's end, members were either leaving or dying and the law was closing in on them. while it would be kinda cool if they turned out to be poisoned then, the game gives plenty of reasons to understand their position by this point in the story
They were upstream from the Elysian pool though
The fact they’re all so erratic is probably due to the anger they feel from having been so badly damaged as a group by the Pinkertons which also forced them up to Beaver Hollow.
You are stupid
deadrat7019 the poison was being leaked from the waterfall in Elysian Pool. They would have been collecting water way more up stream. Good theory though
Is there is a lore reason?
Power winch
@@BingusFlapscontrolled explosion chicanery
Brain injury?
Dutch- "I took a nasty bump on the head."
Arthur- "You'll be alright boyah."
hehehe you're alriiiiiiiight booooooah
You’re alright boah
While I don't think a concussion made Dutch go mad (it's too simplistic), I believe that when Bronte set him up and made a fool out of him, it made him finally realize how much of a "failure" he was up until that moment, and that he would never be respected as an outlaw in America being a "good guy". However, Bronte's betrayal was just the trigger for something that has been building up since before the Blackwater incident.
Makes a lot of sense since when he kills Bronte he tries his best to stick it to him that he's better then him, that he's superior
And micah made things worse
I always think that the gang should have taken Bronte's word. They should have scouted the place before blindly going in the trolley station.
Kalika Girdhar Taneja well maybe, maybe not. It was likely a trap and believe it or not the chaos they caused actually kept law off of them for however brief a time. Scouting may have gotten them directly caught.
@@johnycakes6613 well if they would have sent Abigail or any other gang member to scout, I think they wouldn't have been caught. Also after the massacre they should have just moved on.
Thumbnail is a top tier reaction image
I’ve used it so many times
Where was he during arkham aslum?
His ass getting pegged by the Joker
@@tardarsauce1842who is the joker? I only know jonkler.
He was getting his cheeks clapped by killer cock
@@meganooobie The bonkler
@@tardarsauce1842officer balls
Yeah I think the combination of the head injury, losing all those people, getting lost on Guarma, and Micah whispering in his ear the whole time really messed him up to the point of no return. I like Dutch and I hated seeing him go down that path
He come to his senses in 1907
Kj Mug but then goes back to his killing ways in RDR1
BlackWolf 28 yeah, I’m not saying he doesn’t go crazy I just think that the head injury definitely has a factor
Same, agreed
Even before Guarma. I honestly lost faith when Dutch killed Bronte in cold blood. Then he did the same to the blind woman in Guarma. For example back in chapter 3 he didn't kill the Braithwaite woman (he pribably would've after chapter 4).
Rest In Peace that dude in the wagon the trolly hit
More like pieces
@@biohazard724 LMFAO
“You keep killing folk, Dutch” damn there is a ton of lines from this game that just hit hard. “Gonna strange me next?” “We’re more ghosts than people” “you gotta find out what kinda man you want to be with the time you have left” tons of emotional one liners
If you play a low honor run for Arthur he’ll say “Or maybe we’ve all gone rotten..” in Guarma
Gave me chills
Arthur: “You keep killing folk, Dutch.”
Also Arthur: kills the entire town of St. Denis
Domt forget valentine and rhodes
benjamin tan Oh, that too.
The citizens of St. Denis are filthy bastards that call the trigger happy 1-800-instant-firing-squad cops on you just for antagonizing one of them and walk in front of your horse all the time, they all deserve to be shot, hung, burned and butchered without mercy
I need those bandit challenges done tho lol
Player not Arthur
After the trolley mission when Lenny takes Dutch back to the camp, he says “I don’t feel so good” as he looks ahead as if he’s not seeing anything. It kinda gave me chills to see that
Lenny I dont feel so good
izzy stew bid?
Fuuuuuck you 😂😂😂😂 bro making me laugh like that
BRAIN INJURY⁉️⁉️⁉️
Now that I’ve played through, when I start over, I can’t stand Dutch right from the beginning. I’m at Clemens Point right now and he walked by me in camp at night, and he literally says to Arthur that he “would be one to betray him.” I was like wooooooow already? You’re already being suspicious of me?
Dutch already complained about Arthur and Hosea being against him since the beginning, after the Blackwater job. Arthur and Hosea weren't on the ferry, so they kept wanting to know what happened, which irritated Dutch, making him act that way, thinking they want to betray him.
Yep, I heard that line "you'll betray me in the end Arthur, you're the type" man I wanted to punch him in the FACE
Dutch was always pitiful and insecure. Probably assumed since Arthur was the real backbone of the group that he wanted to overthrow him
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I think that's a line dutch only says if you have low honor. Hm.
there was a lot of contributing factors to dutch’s descent into madness, the trolley crash, hosea’s death, and the gangs doubts severely damaging his ego being some of them. but like arthur said, he got found out for who he really was. a murdering charlatan with a false sense of moral superiority stringing along a group of outlaws to a promised land they had low chances of ever seeing just so they could avoid the consequences of all the things they had done. those parts of dutch’s character were always there, and i believe he was an unstable narcissist out for himself and those who follow him without question long before 1899. as the story goes on it just gets harder for him to repress his true nature.
@@fakeninja4447 I'm finding it hard to disagree, you gave a very detailed explanation and I'm very much with you on that one
Yes
@@fakeninja4447 no
@Matthew Coe Colm O'Driscoll or his brother himself killed Dutch love one.
@@fakeninja4447 you can hide who you are for that long to those closes to you it's been done before. He also may have save Sadie but he killed a woman in blackwater. He also left auther to di so he did leave what's basically his son to die
braille in jury?
Raid shadow legends ad stops at 2:39
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Thanks you beautiful man
Underappreciated comment
This man needs an award
@StuckDucks one time not in proper video but on CZcams I had an hour long ad
Fuck yea
“You either die a hero, or live, long enough to see yourself become the villain.”
- Harvey Dent
im sorry thought of that crocadile cat meme
I suppose that's the case with dutch
But they were villans from the start...
@@Ro-Ghost not to themselves
@nep nep Doesn't every villain think they're the heroes?
And that Thumbnail started a bunch of memes.
Another long term effect he suffered from was problems concentrating. Several times he'd demand that he just needs time to think.
It really bother me how he didnt take the gold bar back from the old lady's body
I have thought the same thing!
Same!
I got so mad
I tried to loot her
He has syphilis, made him crazy
It’s not about the muneh, it’s about going to Tahiti and farming mangoes
-Joker van der line
Do you know how I got this mangoes
-Joker van der lin
@@dadguy8415 HAHAHAHA I don’t wann kill you! You give me faith! And faith is everything!
Joker Van der Linde
Society must've fucked him up.
I first watched this video just before - less than a week - before the title card became a Breaking Bad meme.
Pretty much same lol. In fact I found this channel (and rdr2 for that matter) just before the meme took off
What i dont get is the amount of trust Dutch has for Micah when he's only known him for at best 6 to 8 months before Arthur dies. He's known Arthur his whole life.
It's bcs Arthur is on John's side. And he always thought John is a traitor bcs Micah manipulated him
It's mostly because Micah fed Dutch's ego by telling him everything he wanted to hear, as well as supporting even the worst ideas. In the meantime, Arthur is trying to help Dutch see that his plans weren't proper, leading to Dutch's mental state allowing him to be manipulated and used.
He wanted arthur and everyone else to blindly follow him, When Arthur knew he was dying he could for the first time see dutch clearly, and not blindly follow him which led Dutch to suspect arthur and john not to mention also because Arthur told him he met with agent Milton earlier in the game.
yes i agree richard baker
THANK YOU
"A Persistant repetition of words"
I HAVE A PLAN
WE NEED MONEY
NOISE
TAHITI
HAVE YOU LOST FAITH?!?!
asjad2002 maybe there was a brain injury pre saint denis robbery that we didn’t know about. A very astute observation
JUST ONE MORE
Memeznfishing I recall Dutch starting to repeat these phrases more often after the failed trolley robbery
Insanity is literally by definition doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
AH THE DOUBTING
outchicaneried 3 years ago
does he know? 6 months? brain injury? what happened to shame?
is he stupid?
"You see a man coming unhinged, I see a man who got figured out for who he really is"-Arthur Morgan
Yuuup that's the reason he took in kids like Arthur and john because it breeds loyalty and blindness it's what a large amount of cults do even today scientologist take kids away to start training them young it's indoctrination
@@joshuamaas5380 Works with crime as well in real life, gangs typically recruit young people, even earlier than their pre-teens some times.
i agree j roldan
John said that
@@joshuamaas5380 soon my eggs will turn in to babies to which i will raise an army 🧛🏻♀️
Remember, the first thing you upgrade in the base about Dutch is, "getting him something comfy". He is selfish man. Somehow, as the gang grew larger, he felt like a messiah promising the gang a land. He hated being doubted and questioned. He didn't listen to Arthur and Hosea in Blackwater, sided with Micah, a man who is a jester to a king. Always siding with his "bad decisions" never doubting him. This forced him to get drifted away from the gang and into the arms of Micah. Besides, all the times we are away from the camp as Arthur, Dutch spends his time with Micah. All, that, time. Think of all the ways Micah weaseled into Dutch's head. I mean of 3 times we ride with Micah, he has the courtesy to talk about John's wife Abigail. It is then he actually learns about how John went away for a year. The moment you give him the details, he concludes the conversation. From that point on, Dutch starts to get suspected of John. Hell, even I did (although I played RDR1). That 1 year gap of John and instantly coming back for no reason even to Arthur, the first job he does after coming back being the boat job in Blackwater... John was a perfect fall guy. Arthur being righteous and actually liking John got him to catch fire of suspicion too... Dutch, a man that acted wise but was never that wise unconsciously needed an explanation to all the plans he'd been making go south. He didn't suspect Micah, he was his jester.
Yeah it’s all sad what happened in the end 😔
Jesters actually existed to be the only person that could question and mock the king without fear of reprisal, because that were just a fool. Not someone to be taken seriously. Uncle is the Jester, Micah is a sycophant.
You are appreciated sir
Interestingly enough, I think it was John’s leaving for a year that got Arthur more on his side in the end. Arthur resented him for it at first, but as Dutch started slipping further and further away, I think Arthur grew to respect and understand his doing that.
I feel they did drugs in secret together too. Why he was so glued to Micah wouldn’t give up his connect. People in real life act just like Dutch too many people. Only way it makes sense to me and keeping the addict preacher around that wasn’t robbing or working around camp. Uncle actually did help from time to time in his own way, the preacher was really the only useless gang member. At the end of RD1 Dutch looks fried like the preacher. It caught up to him
Okay, so this is how it started
Brain Injury?
Dutch when he was born: M...
His mom: he's going to say mama!
Dutch: *MUNEH*
*PLAN!*
FAITH
NOISE
his mother's name is greta
“Muneh, you dumb fool! “Moneh! Or we are dead!” *”WE ARE ALL, DEAD”*
his brain already damaged when he did the blackwater heist with micah
WiLz Albano he may have had a psychiatric break then but after that he goes back to normal, I say normal in the sense of Dutch being somewhat reasonable at least for a bit till the pressure and brain injury fully unhinge him and him being more or less brainwashed from Micah boosting his ego.
Micah was parasite at first place, Arthur and others want Micah go somewhere else so badly.
What happend during blackwater
Jr_ e9a they tried to rob a ferry and it backfired and turned into one of the biggest shootings in history and many people died except Landon rickets and Micah was the one that told everyone about the ferry
braille injury?
Kid named Bane Jury:
Everybody gangsta till the special ed kid starts talking of a plan
Starts getting lessons from a middle aged crack dealer instead of his TA teacher
ArthUT! We are GoIng to TaTi
lol
LMAO
💀
even as Dutch was drowning Bronte the gang members looked concerned, It's like they didn't expect him to do that. If Micah was there maybe but he wasn't. It looks like they knew something was off
Arthur's face is one of pure horror, as if he was seeing a supernatural event or a massive tragedy.
Just a note here: As someone who has had a concussion I can say that the symptoms of irritability and personality shifts are very temporary. Most of the go away after the first couple days. I think the brain injury is supposed to be a red herring, while the absence of Hosea and the manipulation of Micah are the true culprits.
Brain injuries can absolutely cause permanent personality shifts. It has been documented. Idk if it did for Dutch, but it definitely happens
Shroom is right, everyone's concussion symptoms and how those symptoms resolve (if they ever do) varies between patient to patient. I knew a woman who had 5 concussions in her life. Her symptoms were not only different each time, but also lasted longer after each concussion. Hers evolved from headaches and dizziness after the first one to 6 months of medical leave for dizziness, nausea, extreme light sensitivity, poor judgement...you get the idea. I think that was the lightest of her concussions. It shows you just how fast the repeated brain injuries can pile onto one another even after years of supposedly being healed.
If you want some more examples, check out the NFL. Their players show up in the news for things the NFL likes to brush off as traumatic brain injuries, like beating up your girlfriend on camera or running a dog fighting ring. I sort of went off topic there. lol It's just something to keep in mind in case you encounter concussed people in your friends and family. A concussion is a wide-reaching illness.
I’ve had two concussions and what you’ve said is right, however he is clearly suffering from something else plus concussions have different severity’s so I’ve had two minor concussions (still not good) whereas Dutch could be suffering a severe one
I've had severe traumatic brain injuries, and it did change my personality. I got much meaner internally and my frustration threshold drastically lowered. I am also well-armed and absolutely shouldn't be.
However, it's done nothing to change my behavior, and I'm actually much more friendly and kinder now because I don't overthink about much anymore. If it's a human or an animal, I am kind to it, no exceptions. It actually helped me take the final step from vegetarianism to veganism that I couldn't before the brain damage became severe, because I'd always justify slipping.
Sometimes now I just need to leave the room if one of my dogs in rehabilitation training won't stop attacking me before I snap and hurt it back, or if someone won't stop screaming at me.
You can control it, you just need to be aware of it, which is very hard in pressing situations. I could see Dutch having brain damage, but I also think he's a horrible and loathsome creature.
How does one treat a concussion? Is there a specific treatment?
bravo vince
Kid named Good wins:
Arthuh put your gun away Arthuh
kid named bane jury
One of my favorite lines From Arthur is When he said "Once Dutch got mad at me when I robbed a poor guys house, he said that that makes us worse" I cant remember it fully
When Landon Ricketts first meets John in RDR after he kills a bunch of thugs, he says something really similar: "You kill peasants, you become a peasant".
"He let fly at me, for robbing this house. Saying "that man was too poor"..."
My brother recently recovered from a concussion and the symptoms are spot on. It's really sad :(
I hope your brother is ok
I've had two concussions I didn't know they were that bad
I think they may have messed my eyesight up
Has he started having an odd craving for noise, faith, mangos, money and having a god damn plan?
This is very late but I wish your brother well. My deepest condolences.
love that the thumbnail brought more people to this video lol
I'll never not want to cry when I hear Dutch say "I.. ain't got too much to say no more."
I feel like you can hear Dutch's remorse and sorrow in his voice.
That's interesting, I always interpreted it as him feeling betrayed by Arthur - which shows his complete warping of everything and narcissistic tendencies
i wanted to cry but then i remembered he kinda went psychotic and went from Arthur whom he'd known for his whole life basically to Micah who he knew for like 8 months by the end of the game
I'll never not want to cry when I hear Dutch say "I'm gonna Dutch all over the place"
I feel like you can hear Dutch's remorse and sorrow in his voice.
He also has very few lines in RDR1... he still doesn't have much to say to John, other than basically admitting he's wandering aimlessly looking for a badass way to die.
Dr. Phil: “Are you delusional? Have you suffered brain damage?”
Dr. Phil isn't a doctor!
@@Spino.007 You're commenting this on a 5 month old comment. He didn't even claim that. It's what they call him. Just get out of here...
"I got a plan Phil"
TO JOHN MARSTON’S RANCH
That scene in Guarma is what really made me realise that Dutch was finally off his rocker.
what made me realize dutch was a real traitor is when you go with eagle flies to blow up that factory the army captian is about to kill you and arthur says dutch I need help and he walks off and denies the whole thing when arthur said something about it and tried to wisdom word his way out the situation
mine was bronte
Mine was when he kept talking about just needing one more job.
I know this isn't really connected to the topic, but hearing you talk about Colm makes me remember the mission where he gets hung.
Seeing the hope leave his eyes and seeing it get replaced by fear is absolutely amazing.
Weirdo
It felt nice watching colm hang he earned it
@@hibye696 did you not play the mission where Arthur gets tortured
@@hibye696 ?
He was always bad, but the head injury + Micah + gang members dying (especially Hosea) turned him over - a bad man trying to be good but failing
I got to speak to Arthur’s voice actor last year at comic con, he said he believes Dutch lost his mind when Hozea died.
The game was several years in development and the voice actors for each gang member were also several years into Mocap and reading dialogue, etc. I suspect that Roger Clark (Arthur's voice actor) got a whole script about the history and background of each gang member.
If he said that, he just wants you to believe it and keep the myth alive.
@@Josiah_Trelawny1 what?
@@EagleEye-rw5pn you cant read?
@@Josiah_Trelawny1 i can read i Just doesn't understand what you mean
@@EagleEye-rw5pn he worked several years for Rockstar so he was involved in the developing of the game, so he knows whats motivation is behind Dutchs decisions.
this is where it all started
Brian injury
Finding out Molly didnt even say anything and died for nothing also got me depressed
I personally think he does. Absolutely. After he gets his head injury, he started to descend (Mentality wise). Irrational thinking increased. His distrust increased. Bell in his ear all the time, and the loss of Hosea didn't help things either. But yes, the head injury definitely contributed.
I see what you did there, or did Rockstar did that (Micah "BELL").
there is also an interaction you can find with dutch just sitting alone in the bayou i believe where he is just repeating an imaginary chess game in the exact same sequence over and over until you interact with him. dont know if it is so much is related to brain damage as it is him finally losing it and micah ramping up dutch's ego by making him think himself of some sort of mastermind.
Things would’ve been different had Arthur just let micah die in that jail.
Hell if I was Arthur I would’ve just shot micah somewhere in the woods and told Dutch that I was too late to save him.
first thing i tried to do was shoot micah in the town after i broke him out lol
Brain injury?
Hey, that's the image from r/okbuddychicanery
Brain injury
Hosea’s death probably had a lot to do with it.
True true
Hosea kept in check and stopped him going completely off the rails
It unhinged him further.
*Old Lady Guide pulls knife on Dutch and Arthur, requesting gold*
“Dutch, Why did you kill that old lady!?”
“Well Arthur, I had a feeling she was going to betray us.”
Yeah
I was like: Arthur didn't you see da fucking knife!?
@Jackson Hulse I don't think it was beyond the realm of possibility that Dutch could have handled a feeble old woman with or without a knife without outright killing her.
Sadie pulled a knife out on Dutch and micah during the beginning, he could of killed her.
@Jackson Hulse Yeah that's exaclty what I tought too. Like I get it they are trying to show that he's losing it but consider that his heist plan just failed, 2 of his friends died in the proccess, 1 in jail, 1 captured and on top of all that they are stranded on a random island with no clear way out. Any wrong decision could kill them easily it's understandable to not wanting to take any risks.
But then he didn't take back the gold bar from the lady and yeah apparently he did have a brain damage.
*BANE JURY?*
Erectile dysfunction?
Tennis boat?
Gay? As in homosexual?
pron addict?
Cum? As in seminal fluid?
"I know human *BEANS"*
-Dutch van der linde 1899