Jim Cornette Reviews Roman Reigns vs. Brock Lesnar at WWE Crown Jewel 2021
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- čas přidán 23. 10. 2021
- From Episode 404 of the Jim Cornette Experience
Artwork by Travis Heckel!
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Yeah Brock's a criminally underrated seller
That's the whole point. A guy as big as Brock won't and shouldn't take bumps that would make him look weak. Imagine being called a beast and than seen taking bumps like Mysterio.
Facts. Just like in his last 3 Survivor Series matches against Styles, Bryan and Rey.
Man's one of the most selfless workers in the ring.
One of the best
Made a chokeslam look like a million bucks
1000% agree
“I was in the wrestling business, not the sports entertainment business.” - Jim Cornette
WAS...
@Kerry Burnette Keith Richards can't comment on great modern guitar riffs either.
/logic
Funny he said that because he actually worked for the “sports entertainment business “ back in 1998-1999.
@@ChaseABagEntertainment yeah and out of the 40 odd years Vince has been promoting wrestling he's had a couple/few years owning a football league. Is he in the wrestling business or football business. The answers obvious. As it is with Cornette. Even more so when you consider he didn't own the company so if there was SE he wasnt booking it. And in fact everything we know about the belligerent maniac tells us he probably wasn't backwards at coming forwards to tell Vince (M or R) where they can stick what they've written for him.
So he's right. He wasn't. He could have had a job for life there if he went along to get along. If there's anyone who's been in the business anytime over the last 25 years that can say "while everyone was doing this nonsense I was fighting it, firstly from within and then from without and it probably cost me hundreds of thousands in bookings but I picked the hill and I'll die on it"; its fucken Jim Cornette.
@Kerry Burnette At it most popular time it was just as bad if not worse than now just with bigger people. Go back and watch some of the crap that was being shown. How I thought Raw was good during that era I have know idea. I was a kid then though.
i like the fact they didn't do what would have been a predictable Paul Heyman turning on Roman.. i love the tossing the belt right in the middle of both of them.. kind of keeps us guessing..!
Because Lesnar is gone again for a few weeks and Paul will stick with Roman a little longer
@@chicken31947 and got suspended.
@@abdullzain 😂😂😂 no he didn’t
@@jameswinchester9405 he's gone for a good few weeks.
@@jameswinchester9405 I think it's a contract thing when it comes to appearances...crown jewel was rumored to be his last of the year until next year when his rumored return possibly at the rumble.
This all seemed like it was written by Paul Heyman.
I believe to the majority of the angle may been Paul. Sounds like something he’d put together.
This thumbnail is awesome Props 2 Travis heckel welcome back Travis.
@I punkd Shoenice22 on video! I'm happy that Travis Heckel is Back You STFU Go Watch WrestleTalk you Geek.
The good artists must’ve been too expensive to keep. I wouldn’t pay 5 dollars for Travis’s artwork
Welcome back, Travis!
@@soupnatzi788 welcome Back Travis indeed.
Welcome back Travis(｡•̀ᴗ-)✧
I'm still impressed that roman at 6'3 and 260+lbs was able to jump over the top rope in a single leap. Obviously not as cool as when taker or Mike awesome would do it, but its stil great. Roman is one hell of an athlete.
Mike Awesome was a beast!
yeah seeing him do that was crazy
Being more like 6'1 240 in real life helps.
Alexander Fey still a full foot taller than kenny Olivier. Keep crying
Very undertaker like. He’s a good athlete, I’m still just having a hard time liking him. He’s definitely much over than he was 2 years ago. But Brock gets a waaay bigger pop when he enters the ring
The match was great but Heyman throwing that title perfectly in between the 2 and saying "You know what to do with it" with such emotion was the best part for me
💯
Gotta say it again. All the guest artist are great but there is just something about Travis. Simple yet effective.
@Rad Ripley what?
That name would make sense if it was Jim drawn AS a camel, not ON a camel!🤣🤦🏾♂️
JCE is like a band and Travis’s art style is just part of the feel. The guest artist thing is cool but it’d be nice to get that consistency back going again.
Agree. It's very simple and effective but what I really like about Travis's artwork is that you may not understand why he uses certain details but by the end of the video after Cornettes commentary it all makes sense. If you know what I mean
Crown Jewel was really good.
Yh most of it was
Except for Selina vs fat chick
"This is star power with badasses and an intriguing story."
Spot on observation from Corny here.I keep up with wrestling mostly indirectly. I listen to Corny and a few others, but I don't watch the shows. If something is getting a lot of buzz, then I'll go find it online. I've been keeping up with everything Roman is doing right now, and it's been pretty damn good.
@@italianmiltyfriedman6264 2015 called you back, jabroni.
Acknowledge your Tribal Chief.
Reigns is the only wrestler in the WWE that I'll go out of my way to watch. He's been brilliant.
@@samuraijack0876 That’s not because of him though. It’s the way they book the rest of the roster. If they could only do what they do with Roman with half the roster maybe the show will be watchable again.
@@adamstevens8752 Roman took over the Reigns for creative control, he wanted to go heel and he does his own promos. He bet on himself and was right. We finally see what he can really do.
Saudi crowd was super electric, they responded in every match. Specially when roman did that dive and hit that spear, pop was surreal.
Jim Cornette with the old school wrestling finish the way he is reminding us to make things completely make sense, You make all the pieces work and you really get the ref to do his work. 👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿
It's old school in more ways than one because they were never giving the blow off for Reigns and Lesnar on some B PPV. So they had to get out of it in a way that makes you want more. They stopped doing that for ages.
"He doesn't over sell, because he's a beast" - Jim Cornette
Although in MMA when Brock would get caught with a jab his facial expressions looked like he just got his arm cut off with a samurai sword.
@@gregquinn7817 you’re comparing worked moves to an actual punch in the face?
@@EliC09 that's like saying Mike Tyson's opponents oversells his punches😂
@@gregquinn7817 and even then he never actually sold a thing.
@@chicken31947 he was knocked out....
That's right.. when I saw Roman diving, I remembered Undertaker....
I have been noticing that Roman dive for a few years now, noticing it looks alot like Taker's dive (even though i'd still say Taker's dive looks more picturesque), but yeah it seems like Roman took the right lessons from the veterans instead of being another super-kick spammer
He spams different useless finishers.
@@joshportie Then go watch AEW
@@joshportie superman punch is shit and his spear is shit too
@@joshportie Nah other than his Superman punch at least his stuff looks like it would hurt someone.
@@mikeorion5108 spear is not as bad as edge so I’d say he’s decent
Lesnar is one of the best sellers in the history, the guy is so underrated.
The first match-as-an-event I've seen for years.
Referees are made of glass.
Great match! Great artwork! You know Jim like something when he gets into little details that could have been different
Heyman is at the top of his game currently
It always makes me cringe when refs lay down like they’ve died for minutes on end for the shittiest of bumps…..
@Nero Wynn "And why isn't anyone coming out to help him?"
Have you never played a WWE video game?? The red goes down gets knocked out (even on a clothesline). And the announcers say “THE REF IS DOWN ANYTHING GOES”. And anything does go until the ref is up again. For a bunch of fans that just wanna see wrestlers kill each other like a video game you guys seem to hate when they use other features from video games
@@mcdonseggfart7070 huh?
I like what Cornette had to say about the ref situation. It was the same problem I had with Triple H vs Taker at WM17. Being there live, all you can really see is Mike Chioda taking a nap all alone in the middle of the ring for almost 20 minutes. It’s very distracting and comes across as super fake
It killed the match completely, i agree. But damn WM 17 was great
@@nicoloco6569 I know I’m in the minority but I hated WM 17. Even though the show was great, it felt like WWE took a piss on all the Texas fans that night with the main event. Since November 1999, we all wanted Austin to get his title back and what do they do? They turn him heel and try to make us boo him in his home state 🤦🏾♂️
Basically imagine if Summerslam 92 ended with British Bulldog beating Bret Hart with a chair over and over and lining up with the million dollar man to do so, everybody in that arena would be like WTF???
@@tinotica it was Austin's idea...he felt stale. He was wrong but still his idea dude. Nobody else wanted to do it
It was Vince
@@MrRBX I can understand wanting to freshen up your character (ie: the John Cena problem) but with so many people following him through his real-life spinal surgery and he’s finally getting a title shot in front of a Texas crowd, why did he feel that was gonna go over well? Nobody wanted to boo him
Makes about as much sense as in 2006, Lita (the rape victim) being the villain and Kane (the rapist) being the hero
Thank God, the good artwork is finally back...
Roman has a top 5 dive in wrestling today. Make it look like you're actually trying to wipe your opponent out. Not push him into a barricade
Had an Ruthless Aggression Era feel. Good match and interesting story told by three superstars (including Heyman). Great PPV outside of Zelina vs Doudrop but people pretended to care when she was released so there ya go. Monsoor vs Ali was for the paying fans so I get why it happened.
Also Edge vs Rollins as well as Lashley vs Goldberg was something fans 20 years ago would find hard to shit on. Not sure why Jim feels the need to add a negative with anything positive he says.
Edit: lmao @ Last bullshitting as usual. "yeah I heard a little about that, what happened?"
Good observations
You sound Salty About Zelina. For some reason
@@alexandru5369 thanks. The crowd was best part for me. It's nice to see a crowd of families and kids actually go to enjoy wrestling instead of smarks who live to rate matches and find an underdog to push.
@@davyjones2032 Agree
@@kingkold no I like Zelina and think she is hot and a great talker. It's just obvious the Queen's Crown finals match was a weak part of the show. Also when she got released people did what they normally do and say someone was misused.
That's a happy looking camel in the thumbnail! He must've called Better Help.
That F5 referee bump was done many years ago, when Lesnar and Eddie Guerrero fought for the title. That match also had an interference (Goldberg) and the belt being used as a weapon
Then it was a heel thing. Now it's a babyface thing.
Great match, but I'm not a fan of the ref bump/interference finish. Also I loved Heyman just standing there as appose to him losing his shit when his client is in trouble lol.
As opposed. Appose ain't a word pal.
@@ChristopherJames1993 Could've been a typo thanks to auto correct, it happens.
Perfect storytelling,short match,shown enough,showed restraint,both guys have star power that is so far ahead of anyone else in both main American promotions
Indie flippy AEW marks won’t agree with you dude
@@edmonstonklient7707 true,care factor f##king zero
@Chris King don't care,it told a great story,it was hard hitting,sold perfectly,all depends what U look for in wrestling U watch
@Chris King And you like the fake dives and 50 V Triggers of Omega???? Then you arent a wrestling fan but a stunt fan...
@Chris King that's fair enough.Roles reversed now and it wasn't a long match,I'm not a huge watcher so I enjoyed it for what it was
Been waiting for this to drop
My kids, 11 & 12, both commented on the 2nd referee sliding in when he did. "It's almost like Vince is backstage keeping the referee there, and then telling him to go out after the cheating". And I don't know if they were being coy, and they actually know what's going on. Earlier this year I was rewatching the street fight between HHH and HBK and the younger one said HHH jumped backwards off the turnbuckle on purpose when HBK punched him. So I'm pretty sure he's at least figured it out. I haven't explicitly told them everything that goes on, but I have had to tell them a few things to calm them down. When Orton burned Wyatt alive they were upset and thought he might be really dead. So I told them that Wyatt rolled out of the ring after the match, and since it was pretaped, the WWE put a dummy in the ring, just for the story. And I had to tell them that sometimes wrestlers don't really hate each other, but pretend to, to make things more interesting. I just remember when I was a kid and Jake Roberts snake was "killed" and I was heartbroken, but I didn't take it very well when my mom said wrestling is "fake". So I'm not going to do that to my kids and ruin it. But they're figuring it out.
@Nero Wynn Yeah, I never told them outright that Santa wasn't real. But when they started asking questions I just told them that I didn't believe in Santa. It didn't go over so well with the inlaws when the kids were saying stuff to me about Jesus and said they didn't want me to go to hell, and I told them I didn't believe in that stuff. But out of everything, the one thing they insist is real more than anything else is Bigfoot. Because they've seen it multiple times. Oh, and their grandpa apparently thinks he can beat up any of the wrestlers...
TRAVIS IS BACK!!!
This would make a good watch-along.
I wish jim would do those again
These refs get knocked out too easily. It’s just plain PHONEY!!! Can we get injury reports on refs??
If the match is a no DQ match and Roman nails Brock with the and goes for the pin, why would the ref run down to make the pin instead of come down to call off the match via disqualification?
Fair point but that's established wrestling logic. Or illogic
Best Show from Saudi Arabia to this point.
I've always hated the inconsistency in wrestling. Like the ref goes down just for one to come out the back like he didn't see all the crap going on and count the three. But other times a ref will come out like the jericho and mjf match and fix a call that was missed. Smh its all so bad.
Tbf those are two different companies
@@portalMaster299 i get that but still both companIes are inconsistent.
Jimmy sounds sick. Hope he’s ok. A lot of us are old now kids, and even a regular cold can be serious.
Just pray he ain’t as sick as JR with that dreaded “C” word
I for one feel so calm to see more Travis artworks making their way back into the mix!
With the " suspension " it's clear he's coming back at the rumble to set up the turn at mania
@angryman0 if I am not mistaken the rock vs roman match is supposed to be at wm 39. Cause it will be in LA
💯
@angryman0 facts
Charles Robinson - 75 million matches, still can’t figure out where not to be
True 😂
I watched the replay and thought the whole event was good. WWE is living comics, I don't know people keep clamoring for this to make absolute sense.
The thumbnail being a Travis Heckel makes my day. Glad youre better.
Thank god Travis is back!
Hey Last did you hate when the horseman ran down to help Flair every match.
He said it got tiring after for so long, so yes.
Agree about the convenient ref, should’ve been there earlier to blend in better, or had Robinson come back and not make it a second ref at the perfect time
I'm trying to think of matches in the Wwe where the heel decisively beat the babyface (with no foreign object, interference ect) and all I can think of off my head is Koloff vs Sammartino and Bret vs Owen
Undertaker as a heel got a fair few clean finishes.
Brock vs Cena at SummerSlam in 2014.
Taker vs Brock Wrestlemania 30
@@Jackalblade9 which matches are you referring to
@@josephsmith5367 Undertaker beat Jimmy Superfly Snuka clean in his first Wrestlemania match. In Wrestlemania 18, Flair v. Undertaker, Flair was the babyface and Taker beat him with no real shenanigans to my memory (though Flair had a lot of help from Arn Anderson). That's a couple, but Taker spent a loooong part of his career as a heel in the WWE, you'll find clean wins in those periods pretty effortlessly.
But given he was Vince's most loyal soldier, he IS also an exception to the rule you've proposed.
I've also not listed jobber matches (King Kong Bundy vs. Leapin' Lanny Poffo) as I'm pretty sure those go against the spirit of what you're saying.
I love listening to your podcasts Mr Mcmahon. I am pleased the original artist is back.
I really liked this match. Yes it could of been better at the end but I did like it compared to a lot of matches I’ve seen these last few years. A lot of excitement to watching these two HEAVYWEIGHTS!
Honestly, everything past Oldberg was great, but the night kept dragging on and on and I just wanted it to end, especially since I was watching this late at night since I had work and other things to do. This was definitely the match of the night and it was half the duration of the Women's Triple Threat and the Hell in the Cell.
Paul Will turn on both roman and Lesnar and introduce his new toy Parker brodeux.🙂
The throwing the belt was perfect!! This match was great!! I do understand what Jim is saying about the finish though
Even though Jim gets on my nerves at times...WWE and AEW needs to listen to him
Thank you Travis.
Jim be hitting all the right points, but... when I hear interference in matches like it hasn't ever happened in the past, let's not talk about all the times a manager or a certain group jumped in to keep a certain champ on top (heels do heel things to stay on top)
0:50 Odd to have a stipulation and take it back when they previously did a contract signing for the match type...
Edge vs seth was great, woods vs finn was great, drew vs big e was great, the women’s triple threat match was great, and roman vs brock was great. Vega vs doudrop and mansoor vs ali were meh and rk bro vs aj and omos was decent. Usos vs hurt business was also decent.
Damn it... the Travis Paulie face kills me. lol.
I swear to god if Jim didn’t enjoy the Hell in a Cell match…
I mean it’s the best one since Brock vs Undertaker and to me a potential MOTY. I loved it!
Because they both had no star power Seth is just like Edge in this Era semi main event guys at best
Welcome back Travis
One thing I love about Jim on top of his views on modern petite wrestling is that he keeps wrestling honest. Things that fans have just got used to like massive gaps between sending referees out Jim reminds us are unrealistic bull that need to be sorted out. People just accepting that certain unlikely things happen in wresting is a big part of causing the mess we have today.
Smart comment 👌
No. You losers just wanna see sprinting at full speed, flips off the top rope out of the ring, every weapon used in one match, no submissions, and 20+ finishers. Jim is on point with his opinion
@@mcdonseggfart7070 Read my comment again, I was agreeing with Jim, I hate all of that stuff also.
I’m glad the normal artwork is back
My favorite artist is back.
Yay.
Agreed. Entrances are too long
Jim Cornette is so knowledgeable and has so much experience I wish he can work with AEW as a booker
This has to be some kind of joke right..
I think they should've kept the no DQ.
They could've shown a backstage footage of Usos jumping Lesnar as he gets out of his locker room(on Reigns' orders to soften him up). But Brock being Brock, he beats them up and makes his way to the ring.
Also, instead of directing facing Lesnar head strong Roman tries to play a bit of cat and mouse. Not the coward heel running away but someone teasing his opponent and getting hem to make a mistake.
So when Lesnar did get his hands on Reigns that could've been a high point.
Also I love that Choke Roman's been using since turning.
Match was ok…the key is drastically lowering your match expectations…then be pleasantly surprised with the mediocrity
That sounds terrible I personally just watch the match and not care about useless armchair booking and flashy bullshit for the sake of flashy bullshit and I like it just fine.
Typical cynical fan :)
@@brucemichaelgrossman4913 typical markish fan of Kevin Dunns “Sports Entertainment”
@@tobiasfarragut292maybe your a little bias?
@@hedohmmmyggf7317 im not saying its easy to german suplex 230-260 lb dudes constantly but if you’re no longer the kind of committed wrestler that cares about match quality b/c a senile promoter knows you’ll put asses in the seats regardless of your ability to toss said dudes around like children more convincingly then it might be time to use a more MMA tailored “sports entertainment style” of competing or in their case..”performing” 😒 brocks looked gassed in matches for years.. even when he was younger and there more regularly..and im not putting it all on him..Reigns w/o Heyman and the “unstoppable” heel clout he’s got going since Heyman is the Samoan everybody didn’t want put over
This had the right build up, the right guys in the story and had all the nostalgia of old style wrestling beefs with a good controversial end. It was great. The best of wrestling days past we have had in a while.
Jim I’m tired of hearing do you remember what happened in the 90s...lol
We’re not in the 90s anymore ...move on😂😂😂
Great video by the way
How many times are they gonna fight
I've been looking for Corny's review of the following Smackdown promo, when Chief asked Pauley, " You holding that title for me, or for Brock?..."
We'll probably have to wait til Mania unless Rock does the job.
The entrances aren't the issue. The super long match matches at the start of the "ppv" are the issue.
Travis is back at last!
@6:46 clock ticking? PPV don't have time limit, that's why they won't show on free TV.
I'm assuming they did the same finish here to keep the good one for WrestleMania
The mastermind Paul Heyman strikes again!
0:49 On the RiHo? 🤣
I'd be so scared of screwing up throwing the belt exactly between them
Even slightly off and you've changed the entire angle
Travis heckel is back thank god, those comic looking thumbnails were not that great
Let me just say what we are all thinking right here, right now: I'm damn glad Travis is back providing the artwork. Nothing against the other artists, but Corny and Travis are just perfect. Travis' artwork is simple yet says a lot and includes seemingly rather random Easter eggs that have a huge meaning in the Clio once you listen to it. Welcome back, Travis. Your work, like Corny's, is awesome.
Terry Gordy vs Bruiser Brody it was not.🤷♂️
By God, the Art work is Gold😆😆
Whenever I watch a ref get "knocked out" and then all of a sudden he magically finds the strength to count the three to the heel or the hero after being down for an entire three minutes, I raise my eyebrows because it seems like to me the dude was playing possum the entire time and suddenly the match that had an interesting twist turns into an eyebrow raising idiotic finish.
This match actually had me paying attention
Edge- Rollins?
They had a nice package huh Jim? 😂
I thought he said "I don't know what to do with it! 🤦" when he tossed the belt
They lay there that long because the onus was now on Paul H. He kept yelling I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO
I wont say its meidocore, its intriguing
It looks like Heyman is trying to milk the camel in the artwork.
And the camel is enjoying it
I just came here for the artwork
The camel's face makes me laugh so hard!
Its after he pooped on Riddles leg.
Whoa, Jay-Z made an appearance at Crown Jewel 2021?!
Who the Camel?
@@Ahorsewithnoname1365 yh 😂😂😂
@@Ahorsewithnoname1365 Camel? What are you talking about? Jay-Z is right there, front and center.
DIPSET 4 Ever
This is the one we've been waiting on folks 😅🤣
It was another Uso screwjob finish to keep the belt on Roman. Getting sick of it. Other than that, it was a pretty good match.
Travis! Travis!
LMAO Paul's face 😂 good to have you back, Travis
"Remember, Travis is more important than Cornette" -Travis Marks
Who cares if they like his art
@@ettel8358 Apparently, a lot of people do.
I originally though travis was really "batting for the fences" with the camel in this pic, then I skimmed crown jewel and saw they actually had a camel. When people say that they want the product to get better, I don't think that this is what they're talking about.
Crown Jewel was an Amazing event! Because it had a great Hell in a Cell match!