Demon Time: The Self-Imposed "Downfall" of Doja Cat
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0:00 - Introduction
PART 1: THE FORESHADOWING
3:54 - Where's the Beef?
6:13 - Meme Queen to Mainstream
8:49 - Constant Controversy
PART 2: THE UNFOLLOWING
19:41 - Schnapp Chat
26:48 - Parasocial Media
38:45 - The J is for Jerk
PART 3: THE REBRANDING
51:36 - Face the Music
59:27 - Satanic Panic
1:08:35 - Any Press is Good Press
1:13:49 - Conclusion - Zábava
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@@DontReadMyProfilePicture.104 shut up bot
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not unless u take back that mr beast video...
She laughed at us for liking her old “generic pop music” but paint the town red is literal gym music 😭
it was literally played on walmart radio the other day
Someone said elevator music 💀
That’s actually facts I can totally imagine PE teachers playing this on the speakers during cardio or something 😂
@@amiyahancock4500walmart radio plays kendrick lamar it really means nothing except the song is insanely popular💀
hater cant get there isnt there never gunna be there. she really where she at her life get over it. get something of yours played at a gym. cant. aint. wont.
Dragging Noah Schnapp for leaking her messages when he was 17 but acting like it was okay to tweet homophobic slurs at age 19 is super cool
When Doja was 19, people were less socially aware in general. People who are Noahs age are also more digitally literate and he grew up in a time where concerns about privacy are more talked about
@@almamater489posting a funny convo you had in DMs with a fellow celebrity and saying slurs (and keep in mind she didn't stop saying it) are two very different things.
@@almamater489that made no sense. How is being 17 more mature than 19. And no. You don’t have to follow a crowd. You can easily not say slurs. Trying to be a good person does not mean you have to see others being good to do the same.
Also Instagram dms aren’t exactly private imo, like if you’re a celebrity and you’re communicating with people online, people are likely to share it.
@@almamater489yeah no. she’s not that old.
It just feels like Doja is consistently tryna win the “idgaf war.” It feels almost chronic in her case
and every time she has a meltdown on social media, she loses a battle lol
She is a Libra. That's a typical attitude.😂
@@lovefee1981 zodiac signs dont excuse shitty behavior, shes a shitty person libra or not
@@lovefee1981 im a libra and dont act like that?????
@@Fayfai_sureee
Coming back to this video after she just posted a pic of her wearing a shirt with a neo nazi on it. I can't even imagine what corners of the internet she must frequent to even get a shirt like that.
Lets be honest with ourselves.. Doja is an incel, 4chan poster. Its getting very difficult to separate the art from the artist.
She's barreling towards a Kanye West type of downfall smh
Also her mother is Jewish so what level of self hatred...
@@munat9540she doesn’t need fame or money, she needs intensive therapy and zero internet access
She's supporting fellow black artist, what's the problem?
@@itsjustme6018 huh??
@@munat9540 what’s wrong with propping up young and aspiring black rappers?
I really feel like Doja alienated her fanbase, tried to create a whole new persona, and really emphasized her being "edgy" only to release music that is honestly not that different than her music before
My 4 yr old niece, who enjoyed the radio/clean versions of a couple of her songs, also enjoys the radio version of paint the town red.
Because the music is the same. She just wrapped it up in different packaging
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thank you! paint the town red sounds right off of one of her other ""'shitty pop albums"""" as she says.
@@marsmars2789 Eh, I dunno, if you told me Balut was from Planet Her I wouldn’t question it
Her verse on Dick slaps and is unrivaled
Honestly, Doja Cat is just what happens when a massive internet troll actually becomes successful.
I feel like she also doesn’t have good people around her and is really insecure. Lil Nas X is another troll who’s doing miles better.
@@MissFunky98 Yeah, also Lil Nas X is also.. likeable?? He just seems like a funny but overall well-intended dude. Doja on the other hand.. man, reminds me of 4chan a bit. lol.
@@lolanola1783agreed
@@lolanola1783 She actually came from weird 4chan corners of the internet; think those left a lasting impact on her.
YES!
So, like… can we admit Doja Cat has always been footsying with Nazis now or are we supposed to pretend her wearing a shirt featuring a white supremacist was another “out of proportion troll”…?
The stuff she does is a desperate attempt to be accepted and the reason it doesn't get called out is because she isn't a "male" doing this stuff so it gets downplayed to trolling.
Not to mention that She's pushing 30. No normal almost 30 year old celebrity would be going around trying to "troll" their own fans that are mostly teenagers. She truly is an incel
Edit: for y’all in the replies getting mad at me cry about it. She’s an incel weirdo idgaf lmao
Lol she’s goated for that
@@pill1154 You spelled insecure wrong that's the only reason someone would do that she's ashamed of who she is. That's called seeking validation but I'm sure someone like you know all about it.
@@pill1154 How?
Doja Cat (like most internet trolls) has always struck me as someone deeply insecure about her own art and trying to cover that insecurity by making everything a joke/prank. Which is fine she can cope how she wants, but she is a good artist. Cheap cash grab or not, she is very talented.
You've nailed it. She IS extremely talented. If not for the genuine problematic behavior, I'd be a huge fan.
And like I keep posting over and over again, if you Google ADHD, it pretty much explains a good part of Doja's behavior especially when whatever people she has in her camp seem to be totally clueless and ineffective at managing her.
@@brittanyr9471 her bf's a pedo tho??? if you're a huge fan of her after all that then should you should be ok with being a Chris brown fan??? ( hint: the answer isn't yes)
@@haredaissa3018maybe Brittany didn’t know about that.
@@hiffahyphae6707 I suppose so maybe, but if she's such a huge fan shouldn't she know 😭😭 I hardly know her and I saw these scandals everywhere against my will 💀
Idk if you planned this but calling Moo an “udderly unserious track” was iconic
Came down to find this comment lmao
I'd didn't even catch that at first.
Definitely did it on purpose. Utterly/udderly is too classic of a cow pun.
He be sliding these puns in 🤣
The smile that came across my face made my jaws hurt😂
I work with teenagers and Doja seems like the kids who are raised by the internet instead of their parents
FACTS
THIS
I mentor high school seniors and omg this is SO accurate.
I guess she confirmed that in one of the quotes too. One at the beginning.
Because that's what she is lmao she's not that much older than us, most gen-z were raised by the internet
you really had me almost beliving she wasn't in racial chats showing feet until the Sam Hyde shirt thing came out
LMAOOO
what's wrong with collaborating with young black artist?
@@itsjustme6018Joke wasn't even funny the first time.
@@dearoldmold okay racist😤
I thought the shirt said "Sam Hyde is a terrorist" tho?
Bro, the way in which you missed most of her anti-latin american controversy only for her to come out as a nazi supporter within a week of your video ☠️☠️☠️
what's wrong with Doja supporting fellow black creators?
@@itsjustme6018 Is Sam Hyde a fellow black creator???
@@bourder-vto8575 of course, you've never seen his hit new rap video "F*ck Anthony Fantano"?
@@bourder-vto8575he’s not he’s being an idiot
Plus her appropriation of native american folklore
Its actually insane that she made fun of her fans for being creepy and jobless when thats pretty much exactly how youd describe her boyfreind
Herself too :p
OOP 🤭
@@Ina_Toma eh wot
@@Ina_Toma Fr like if her fans didn't like her music she'd still be singing out of her car.
And let's not forget she's a hs drop out w/o a job and was relying on her bfs for food
I’m not religious but I kinda understand why people are fatigued with the demonic imagery in the music industry; and it’s mostly because no one is doing anything unique with it. It’s literally just black or red demons running around and nothing else. Say what you want about Lil Nas X but at least he did something different.
Yeah thats how I feel about it too. Like okay, demons. What's the reasoning for it? With Naz it was symbolism for his Sexuality and how he felt shame for it before accepting it. It was nice and fresh and wasn't just doing this to be edgy. Can't say the same for doja tho..
also because it’s so shallow and almost always completely missed the point. artists try to switch the narrative about selling their souls which is just a metaphor for sacrificing their integrity for money and fame, when in reality that’s not something to be proud of at ALL. so much of it is rooted in capitalism and materialism and i’m tired of seeing these brain dead idiots bury the point beneath shitty music videos and cash grabs on tiktok. embarrassing.
I know I'm not the only one who thought that Lil Nas did it to piss people off. But at the same time...he was making a point in my opinion
Nas’s reason was also better than Dojas. He just had better message with it.
@@midnightwitch3847Right?
Honestly the amount of times Doja has been associated with Neo-n@zi stuff is too many, on top of inappropriately dunking on other serious topics way too many times. The chat-room fiasco even removed from the exaggerations was already fool-me-once. The fact that that situation is one of the few times she took things seriously from the beginning makes all of the other times after look even worse. Yeah, she’s always being unserious, but being unserious about serious shit isn’t excuse-able. It’s giving “why can’t you take a joke.”
Yeaaaahhh kind of dissapointed how D'Angelo talked about this topic
The right amount of times to be mingling with naziis is literally none, why tf was she even doing all of that? that is disgusting
yeah, where theres smoke there's fire, and this video seems pretty biased tbh. I'm sure it's not on purpose, but I think there's such a thing as giving someone too much benefit of the doubt. When you subconsciously overlook things that are red flags and hand wave the problems people do have along with the petty/silly things people don't like her for. I personally unfollowed because I think she has a big head and is trying so hard to seem like she doesn't care that it's working too well and seems like she *really* doesn't care about anyone or anything. She's got some growing up to do
Being edgy is now being a nazi? Bruh
I cannot believe she just posted a pic wearing a SAM HYDE SHIRT! This woman has problems and is expressly calling in horrible people into her onli e communities. Shes approaching kanye esque vibes
wow, can't even support and up and coming black artist without getting canceled these days. smh
She was in a chat room full of all white men , speaking radically about black people , calling them n******
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Ikr she's based
What is wrong with Sam Hyde?
@@cosmiceyness he is a neo nazi mysoginist ableist, disgusting violent freak of a swamp creature
constantly doing the "im doing this guys" just to backtrack and be like "haha you guys are so stupid for believing me" is genuinely just a very miserable way to exist, celebrity or not
after a while it stops being a funny joke and instead is just annoying. exhausting as all hell
Also not very mature.
For sure. I don't know why people still take her seriously. It's not even worth getting mad about. As long as she doesn't commit any crimes, I'm fine ignoring her online trolling and just listening to the music.
@@coolboyyo654why is it exhausting. Are you doing manual labour based on doja cats album release dates? Plus it's funny asl when people keep falling for it
@@Ingydar_mentally/emotionally exhausting
"Satanic panic may just be the least of her issues" understatement of the fucking year
@DontReadMyProfilePicture.104 thank you for the distraction man 🙏😔
Drama can be draining
It’s not even panic she literally uses satanic imagery and applies satanic themes. Most people don’t rock with that
As I read this comment he was saying it. Surprised pikachu face 😂
@@LK-em2lywhat’s wrong with using satanic imagery? a bunch of amazing art pieces do to criticize organized religion
@@cometxcosmos literally everything bc it brings bad energy into your life, its real thing not an aesthetic.
This video aged like milk considering she just posted wearing a Sam Hyde shirt on Instagram 😭
I just found out from tiktok. Im not supposed to be surprised but i am knowing her mother is JEWISH
Based
he can't keep getting away with it
yeah this whole video was bad
Correction, she is wearing a “Sam Hyde is a terrorist meme” on a shirt. Thats the opposite of supporting him.
You might have been giving her a little too much benefit of the doubt in this video seeing what she has done now lol.
Whatd she do
@@hotchocolates3828according to all the other comments from the same time as this one, she wore at shirt with the n*zi symbol on it and posted it to instagram.
@@hotchocolates3828 what i know is she wore a Sam Hyde shirt and that Sam Hyde was an absolute weirdo towards Anisha Jomah, Ian's (Idubbb'z) wife. I think the intention was to create drama for the second creator clash but it just ended up getting Sam kicked out of that because he was just *yikes*
It’s unfortunate that her personality is kind of ass because she’s genuinely a very talented artist🤦🏽♂️
You don’t know her
@@joli7948yes it’s a character, but how far can someone go before it’s just them, yk?
@@joli7948 true
@@vacuumblink2300 you’re right I don’t know her personally, when I say personality I mean her words and actions that she presents to the world is kind of ass. The character she portrays. But, also since I don’t know her that’s all I can base my opinion off of and as a default that is what I assume her personality is like. If she’s completely different behind closed doors, give her a fucking oscar.
Azeliea Banks moment
saying people were 'crying over mediocre pop' and then just posting more of the same is lowkey hilarious. you just cannot take her serious
i feel like at some point shes going to start getting mad people dont take her seriously. like somehow this going to happen
paint the town red was actually more pop but pretty much the rest of the album she was actually rapping 😭
Her album isn't pop though
its not hilarious she’s just insecure and acting out and does not have the eclecticism to branch out with her music that she wishes she had, and it’s showing. and nobody even asked her to do that! she’s the one who claimed all her previous work was not something she was proud of and now she’s doing whatever she wants - the fact that it turns out it’s the same kind of music isn’t intentional hilarious trolling on her part, it’s just the inevitable revelation to the public that she’s got nothing else (which, again, nobody but herself put her in a place to prove she did!)
The rest of Scarlet is a mix of genres and definitely not pop. You have to have a few radio-friendly songs just to keep the label happy, which is why Attention, PTTR and Demons was released first…Think about it, if she released Scarlet first instead of Hot Pink, she wouldn’t have blown up. But now she has the recognition and accolades she can do other things and not worry about making money for the label. This is why most signed artists have a banger album then a filer album and people say they ‘fell off’.
An update including the predator boyfriend and recent neo nazi shirt would be nice 😭
Learning those things recontextualized a lot
Honestly even without those things, D’Angelo was WAAAAAAYYYY too nice towards Doja, he really downplayed the chat room stuff
@@cgd415hes a swiftie, what do we expect
@@Mreow33 no fucking way????
@puppypawwz After Swift openly associated with Matty Healy, a man who bragged about "masturbating to violent pornography of Black women being BRUTALIZED?" 🤮🤮🤮 My god, I hope you're wrong here and D'Angelo doesn't actually support her bc my god
Except her boyfriend isn’t a predator, literally just do the tiniest google search😂
This aged poorly after Sam Hyde shirt.
Wait, so she wants to be excused for things she did at 19, but is holding a 17 year old accountable on an adult level? This young lady seems to not have matured fully. Perhaps she is very confused and conflicted.
Her brain has only been fully matured for like 2 years now so yeah, that checks out, evolutionarily speaking.
@@taylorbug9bahahahah that's the excuse you're going with?
@@taylorbug9lol ....
@@taylorbug9"Evolutionarily speaking". That's not even a word. Shut up Stan.
The idea that people’s brains definitively mature at 25 is based on bunk science, but for some reason people keep repeating it as if it’s fact. Your brain is developing and maturing your entire life; there is no singular, definitive age that you’re fully mature and developed.
The way Doja Cat is trying to use the satanic panic for her persona is basically the exact opposite of how Lil Nas X used the satanic panic in his music. When he utilized it for Montero, it was meant as him reclaiming demonic imagery after having it be used against him for his sexuality all his life. He took all the claims about how being gay was against God and took it to its most logical extreme. Doja Cat isn't really saying anything with the imagery, and whatever point she might've been making (fame is like selling your soul to the Devil yadda yadda) has already been said and done in more creative ways.
Agreed. Lil Nas X's "Montero" was filled with symbolism and was actually interesting in its hellish imagery. The man is smarter than people give him credit for. He's also funny.
Well said. It is just shock factor without the substance, like jump scares in crappy horror movies.
Exactly and instead of her facing criticisms it's like she warped herself down into it all. Her use of devils isn't artistic nor symbolic, it's more like "Yeah I've changed, thanks for noticing. 😈" along with "Is this what you all wanted? I'm such a bad person let me show it in the most edgy way possible." as if taking some sort of pride, when really it just shows up as an edgy teen phase. It's so embarrassing. If you're going to use an oversaturated concept at least transform it somehow or don't use it at all, sheesh.
@@kitynythank youuu!!! ugh i feel the same way and you worded it so well
First of all saying owning demonic iconography by queer people is new is an uneducated statement. Queer history is full of it (not that Lil nas is unoriginal. I love the dude and that era of his music). Secondly the insinuation that iconography in art should be tied to someone's life and trauma is just bad art analysis. By that logic you would think Lovecraft was called cthulu in his middle school. Thirdly, the songs were bops and the marketing is awesome and that's art and your opinion is wrong
coming back wondering if we'll get an addendum to this video after doja posted herself wearing a shirt with a neo nazi on it
sameee hoping his opinion of her has changed 😬
I NEVER defend people with allegations like Doja Cat unless it’s very specific misinformation or I am VERY sure what I’m talking about because every single person like her is skating by on the benefit of the doubt… the allegations about the internet chatrooms were WAY more serious and documented than he lets on in this video but you have to be on some truly bizarre places on the internet to see them. Of course he wouldn’t know! He has a life offline.
@@biguattipoptropicaSo what was the black guy doing there?
same, he did it with lana del ray. im waiting for the “i was wrong abt doja cat”
Don't mean to make light of this but after seeing what had some of your panties in a bunch I just had to snicker and smh because she was trolling hard with that one. Lol
That's current classic Doja. Not smart but intentional on her part.
You don’t need to but I’d love an updated video knowing the shit she just posted on IG. There’s no point in giving her the benefit of the doubt she’s a horrible person.
doja cat strikes me as a very volatile person. idk when she got famous but she seems stuck in a highschool brat mentality.
Someone on twitter said that she makes music for the black girls she wouldn't sit with in high school and I chuckled
She got famous off a meme song "Bitch I'm a Cow" where she sings dressed as a cow...
@breadonbuddder5827I don’t think op is disagreeing with you lol
yeah. i was kinda like that when i was in high school and i think that’s why i liked her. now that i’m grown i really cant listen to her because she gives off such… she just seems immature and hard to talk to. like any conversation i would have with her would result in her (jokingly, ig) insulting me or me accidentally insulting her lol. idk if she is actually a good person but this is definitely her public persona as interpreted by me.
I’m the same age as her, and I can say that a lot of women at this age very much are. They really think it’s so cute to be a “mean girl”, when they just come off as painfully insecure, desperate for any kind of validation because they can’t grow up and be a little introspective and realize they might be the problem.
Doja is too worried about ''clapping back'' to people that don't like she's bald and is forgetting that that's not important. *Blocking fans for exposing her boyfriend is.*
@@Texas_Marmaladean apology video...for being a pedo?
@@Texas_Marmalade that’s assuming their bf has been accused of sexual harassment or inappropriate sexual behavior with people. That’s why people were “harassing” Doja about her man.
@Lolavaughnpinup wow, what a mindless fan. Great way to describe what there fandom looks like.
@Lolavaughnpinup "he apologised for having sex with SUPER young women he had power over YEEAARS ago so get over it guys" 😭😭
@@Texas_Marmaladeand its just embarrassing on her part to stick with her man and defend him while he was sexting his ex through all of this. no one can look more delulu than her if she stays
Genuinely felt not great abt this vid when I watched it bc he completely grazes over a lot of the accusations and downplays them but now with the new stuff that’s come to light I hope he readdresses. I feel like the ball was dropped with this vid which is sad bc it’s a major topic and I’m a big fan of the channel
I think a lot of allegations and evidence were partially or fully scrubbed from the internet. He may have genuinely had difficulty finding the evidence, however, I wish he would’ve crowdsourced it, as I know some people still have some of the things floating around.
he missed those, by like a week, because they hadn't happened yet.
This feels like more of a "in defense of doja cat"
Exactly. Its like almost ignoring the weird things she’s done to say “thats all bad BUT shes a good artist”. Its like putting the positive note to the end, to avoid the many negative notes.
"guys didn't you think that she's just a troll?"
yea i just got to the 14 min mark and D'angelo lied to defend doja. She did strip; multiple times and showed her breasts. She said tons of straight up racist sh!t in that chat and those 4chan racist friends are white supremacists. SMH
back again for the next lie made @ the 14:37 mark in regards to dindu. Dindu is a direct racist term which references the act of presumed guilty before innocent and justification of violence an murder.
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i really don’t even care about the rest of the “controversies”, even her hating on the fans, but her blocking a victim coming out against her boyfriend just made me want NOTHING to do with her. i could pretty much forgive anything else, but blocking victims is just not something i could ever look past
I'm GENUINELY curious about other people's opinion on this matter because I can't settle on where I stand on it. One one hand, that guy definitely did abuse his influence, but on the other, as D'Angelo said, he hasn't since (as far as we know). We obviously don't owe him anything, but if he did "grow" from it or whatever, and Doja Cat can see that, what is she supposed to do? It's really easy to say "I would break things off immediately" but I'm just not sure everyone calling her out would actually do that IRL. They know each other on a much more personal level, so while we can publicly refuse an apology or refuse to give him any kind of platform, I don't think anyone (aside from the people involved) can make a FULL judgement on it.
I don't know what I would do if a person I really seemed to like was being called out for past behavior that has maybe been worked on since then. I feel like if she wrote a long explanation saying how he's changed or something would just yield the same response and wouldn't really convince any of us that he's a better person now. Blocking is pretty aggressive though.
@@JV-vc1zfyou don’t “grow” and then block and silence the VICTIMS. Not the onlookers but the actual victims. That shows they have no respect or remorse
Exactlyyy if she wasn't just blocking all of the people who tried to bring it to her attention. I genuinely couldn't care less about her not saying "I love you" to fans or her not liking her old music. Like over smth serious like this she could've at least said "thanks for bringing it to my attention, but he's not the same anymore." if he was better. Like girl it isn't that hard to handle it in a better way 😭😭
@@3ll3llyyy oh I thought only doja cat blocked them because they were addressing her
i definitely wish we had more information on the whole situation, we’re definitely missing pieces of the picture here.
however, his actions were bad enough that he did come out & issue an apology.
if he is remorseful & has changed his behavior, i don’t think his past should be held against him forever (as long as he didn’t
assault anyone, but i don’t think anyone accused him of that).
that being said, if a victim comes forward to you for any reason, you should at least hear them out. doja could’ve offered a simple “that’s not who he is anymore” or “i don’t condone grooming” vs literally BLOCKING them & going on to call others miserable hoes.
you can let your fans know you’re disappointed with their behavior or that they’ve overstepped your personal boundaries without being hateful
J cyrus also could have stepped in at any time to come to his own defense
side note: TWENTY or more women came forward, that’s a lot of people! i can’t be for sure, but it’s likely that there’s more victims who didn’t come forward. this is someone who has affected a lot of people. his victims at least deserve to have their voices be heard
idk, i’d definitely like to see if anyone comes forward with any screenshots or other evidence
(not that they owe us that)
My biggest Issue with Doja Cat is that she did all this "No more trash basic pop!!!" edgy "I hate fans i hate pop culture!" mumbojumbo Just to release the same ol music she has always released but wrapped in a red/black/bloody package lol
Is she not allowed to go about her music and her videos in whatever way she wants? Isn't the goal in life to literally not care about what strangers think?
@@TheDearestOfThingssure but just like,, admit it then. She says she hates pop culture and shit but she’s the definition of annoying pop music and basic pop culture
@@TheDearestOfThings You can't deny that after all her kicking and screaming online about denouncing pop music and disliking her old stuff, just for her to put out 3 new pop tracks wasn't a big "wtf?!" for people.
wdym release the same ol music? it's literally not even the same genre
@@kaylay65 the new songs aren't pop though?
This video in a way excuses a lot of her behavior as just edgy or a joke that the rest of us aren’t in on. Doja had a lot of offensive anti-black sentiments in that chat room. It was and still is serious, but due to her popularity it got blown over quickly.
Doja Cat is a bit more dangerous than a joke. This isnt an entertainer that is playing 4D chess and we can’t keep up. It’s the opposite. She keeps showing us who she is, and for some reason her fans keep trying to convince us otherwise.
Promoting Sam Hyde on a platform where her reach is millions of young followers was the icing on the cake. How will you guys excuse this one?
oh yeha no literally. when i first watched this video it was so iffy because are you forgetting the actual offensive comments she made ??? especially since shes made a post of wearing a literal neo nazi
@@demoniclemonadeBut she made that post wearing the shirt after he made this video so what does that have to do with your point? There’s no way he would’ve seen that coming don’t you think?
@@Keixha I think you missed the beginning of my comment. Doja Cat has made very offensive and anti-black comments, but they got excused. How will they excuse this Sam Hyde offense?
@@Emmere D’Angelo didn’t speak on her anti-black comments though, so in this video it sounds like she isn’t all that bad either he didn’t know about them or forgot to include them in the video
@@Emmere so if we were going off of all that was said in this video it’s understandable why D’Angelo came off as excusing her behavior and making her seem not all that bad
now she’s wearing sam hyde shirts. her edgelord 6th grade boy sense of humor is so tiring
Doja needs to realise she’s not the first and won’t be the last. She’s slapping this “alienated” and “estranged” label on herself when in reality… she’s not really stirring the pot. She’s not political, or attempting to communicate a greater message - it’s all identify and “me” - nothing wrong with that, just not groundbreaking. Respectfully, she needs to log off and/or grow up a bit.
So true. My sis got upset and told me she unfollowed her and I'm just like, nothing she's doing is surprising or interesting. Lil Nas X was literally just doing that the previous 2 yrs and many artists before them have as well. I honestly think she's going to look back and be a bit embarrassed tbh.
You mean get off the couch and start helping her folks around the house?😂
@@nonalolagirl Yep! And it’s not like she’s not an amazing artists, she’s got talent for sure, but I feel like it’s being wasted on this “f*ck you, I’m doing me” attitude. Like, of course you’re doing you - she’s still ultimately in control of her output, but it’s reading as a teenager that is upset with authority. You and me both, Doj. But is this the way you want to exercise your power? How about instead of pushing this idea of separatism and self-serving individuality, you could create a deeper and more intricate message based off community/unity/collective empowerment. But that’s just me! I feel like once she gets this out of her system she’ll relax a bit and create something truer to her essence 🤷🏻♀️
Isn’t her new mans a confirmed SAer too?? She’s covering up her bad choices with drama & not actually standing for anything…it’s gross lol
@@abbyz13did you watch the video or?
what’s interesting to me is that she’s been degrading her old music but at the end of the day YOU’RE the one who’s making the music and not taking pride in your own work😭
not true... labels exist they make the music you goofball
@@apolloinparadiseok and? Doja doesn’t HAVE to be in on the songs they produce. She chooses to be.
@@apolloinparadise average doja meat rider
Artist talk bad about their older work all the time. Who cares? Y’all doing way too much on that.
@@bigpoppa1 Having a negative opinion of your old work is fine, insulting your fans for liking it is not.
the fact that this video is only 2 weeks old and she's already gotten worse OOF
I love your videos D’Angelo and you always have great takes, so needless to say I absolutely respect your opinion here. But I’m not sure that I agree with your assessment of Doja Cat. Obviously this was made before the neo-nazi shirt fiasco, and you couldn’t have known or reported on that at the time, but I think she was already on a trajectory towards that kind of unforgivable behavior even when you posted this.
Like others have said in the comments, the chat room stuff is actually quite a bit more serious than you alluded to here, and pretty well documented. From what I read it wasn’t just conjecture from fans, she was actually saying and doing some pretty wild stuff, and that shouldn’t just be brushed aside if people are uncomfortable with it.
Also, I don’t think that her blatant disregard of and cruelty towards her fans can just be written off as trolling. I don’t think it’s parasocial to want, if not love, than basic respect from an artist that you support, and I think that it is valid for fans to take offense to those statements. Even if they aren’t truly ill-intentioned, she doesn’t get to decide whether her words have hurt people.
I really hope you’ll make an addendum to this following the neo-nazi shirt incident because I’d love to hear your thoughts. But even without that, I was a little surprised to hear your opinions towards her err on the positive, considering everything you mentioned. Your opinions are totally valid and I’d love to hear more.
Oh yeah I’m glad you said this cuz the chatroom video part confused me. I remember her posting a video addressing it, admitting she had problems with her blackness at the time and she would be into race-play for the chat videos but seeing this, I thought it was really just hearsay. Glad I wasn’t trippin
Also I agree a lot with the behavior against her fans. Imo It is trolling but she’s not funny and it’s just annoying and rude. They always say, it’s not really a joke when you’re the only one laughing!
@@rebbyking2823 Yeah! Like I remember there being way more nuance to the situation than what was mentioned here. It wasn’t just old chat rooms being blown out of proportion, there WERE issues there. Like we gloss over the fact she’s using the n-word, and of course as a black woman she can say it, but the WAY she was using racial slurs in those chat rooms with white men was not as innocuous as its being presented here.
@@rebbyking2823 Totally agree! I also don’t think it’s fair to say “she’s just trolling!” because even if she is, and even if it’s funny, telling her fans she hates them can be hurtful, regardless of the intent. And honestly… I kind of think she does mean it. Like I don’t think she’s joking, which makes this all that much worse :/
I don’t think the grocery store dropout comment was out of pocket either, they weren’t demanding a relationship with her, they were plainly laying out that Doja’s fans are the reason she’s a star-and they’re right! She wouldn’t have what she does without them! She’s not immune to being called out just because she’s (maybe) trolling-she’s out of control.
@@iruusu7649 omg yes! Wasn’t there literally a clip of one of the chat lives where she says the n word in a sexual way? See I feel so gaslit now cuz I’m sure it was really crazy when it dropped 😭
I’m one of the fans that used Hot Pink to get through a breakup and was hurt over her saying it was a cash grab. It was a big reminder that sometimes we have to appreciate art not the artist.
Thank you. Her music got me through some.... things. As well. And you're absolutely correct. 🙌
Same and agreed! Hot Pink & Planet Her were some of the albums that helped me get through break up and also just made me feel good/happy. Appreciate art, not always the artist.. and honestly i've been feeling that way for quite a bit since I never kept up with Doja til few months ago, it was unavoidable on twitter and even now.
Im sorry but thats what most artist do, why would you be dissapointed. I dont even like doja cat but an artist job is to make you feel something through Music and she did her job.
@ilovegot7754 I can no longer enjoy the music, the same as before. Same can be said of other artists/actors I can't in good conscience fully support anymore. How good of a "job" did she actually do? Maybe it's asking too much of artists to all be decent human beings.... but the value of the art DOES go down, with certain "revelations." Just a note.
Yes!!! Hot pink was the reason I left a very very toxic relationship and now I just feel embarrassed being a fan cause she hates us so much. I just CANT listen to her music now cause i felt almost manipulated by her in that scenarios. Made huge life decisions just to be laughed at by the person who helped me make that decision.
Still very grateful!! She’s so incredibly talented and deserves success to reflect that talent
It just changes the music for me though
I was understanding with the "I dont love you guys", but what made me fall out of love with her is her handling with the allegations of her bf (or ex bf) when she literally made a whole album about woman empowerment
i feel like planet her wasn't fully genuine honestly, like some songs definitely were but i believe her when she said those albums were for money
I didn't like her when I saw her "beef" with Noah. Just exposed her maturity level.
ok. and women dont need it at all? you can't even touch her heights judgmental about something you barely get. (im telling you right now you can never be in her situation who are you to judge sure stop listening to her music but posting public she should have released specfic music?? go say it to her then) i love doja ive been listening to doja since before nintenhoe. your wrong for this.
@@andreworourke3908 The way you're kissing the ass of someone who has made it clear they don't care about you at all. 💀
lmao planet her wasn't a woman empowerment album it was a sellout about her screaming that she's a hole to fuck lol
so i watched this video and was like "fair points on all accounts, i think i'll give her new album a listen eventually" and i'm glad i didnt because now she posted a selfie wearing a shirt with a neo-nazi on it, deleted it, cropped it, and re-uploaded with eyerolling emojis. like some of the things i was able to get past with your explanations and specifications, and at this point i think it's clear she just........ is not a good human.
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I thought the shirt said "Sam Hyde is a terrorist" tho? Isn't that the opposite of supporting...
IDK how to feel about all this tbh. I feel like I did agree with all his points, but at the same time he did leave out some stuff like when she said she was going to retire music. I feel like she really needs therapy at the least. I will say. I have listened to the album tho and uh. I am kind of obsessed with it so😭😭😭😭😭 damn no distancing for me anytime soon.
@@sprinkles06 "Sam hyde is s terrorist" is a right wing extremist, 4chan user inisde joke between Sam hyde and his neonazi fans. Even if it wasn't, why tf would she wear a neonazis face... she is SO clearly trying to pander to racists. She is a bigot. Don't listen to her music
@@sprinkles06 The problem is none of this is new. This videos coverage of the chat rooms severely downplay the actions and seriousness of the issue; often willing to cater and lean into the the neo-nazi fantasy which has really gross undertones as in 2019 she openly states that she is Jewish. It's one thing to clearly note the level of impact things like colorism does even up playing into the favor in Doja in these scenarios, catering to a f*tish fantasy of alt-right, neo-nazi time and time. The shirt might stand against it, but the shirt itself never did showcase that it said that phrase which continues to support the profit of her catering to this group of people. Furthering other incidents that include using alt-right, neo-nazi terms about Black people dying at the hands of police brutality as a song title that even if wasn't the intent highlight a dichotomy where Doja seems to constantly profit of her Black and Jewish identity solely for the the gaze of neo-nazi and other people willing to support racist ideologies for nothing more than pretending she's making a deeper commentary not... enabling these people to treat these groups worse.
the amala username thing isn't that weird to me. it's literally the name of her first album. doja barked and assumed it was bc of her govt name forgetting that its the name of one of her albums and fans name their accounts after their favorite artists' songs/albums all the time. but i guess her forgetting that she named an album amala is in line with her forgetting that she named her fandom kittenz in recent history
She's also apparently forgot that she's a woman of color. Seems like she forgets a lot of things.
@@queenlegitimate5015 I think she did say she smokes weed 😂
Guys, we’re not a cult. We’re just doing our best to spread the good name of our founder D’Angelo Wallace 🙏😌
Sounds exactly like what a cult would say. “Our founder” 🫠
Stop stanning and building out people’s platforms for free!!!! Use that energy to build your own voice
@@__rm307 Don’t let the extremists hear you say that. Our community is very devoted to our cause 🙂
@@__rm307 that’s the joke.jpeg
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I feel like Doja's Cat's career started as one giant practical joke that involves her being like "what, that s*it worked?!" and escalating to see how much she can get away with and still make money.
It can take very little effort to make something pop off. I mean... a Froslass picture I thought that I half assed somehow attracted a lot of fans, though I didn't take into consideration that it was also made at the release of both Brilliant Diamond; Shining Pearl and Pokemon Legends Arceus. I just wanted to draw a pokemon. XD
Honestly wish I had that energy sometimes. Like it must be kinda nice to be able to just, grab security while cackling
I kinda feel like your discrediting the talent.
@@zaramel9379It's not about discrediting talent, it's about discrediting the lack of real emotion that went into it.
censoring the h instead of the i is crazy
Doja Cat is what happens when you allow a 4channer to become a real celebrity
This video needs an update after today…
the satanic panic bait was really corny of her tbh. seems like shes using controversy to blow up instead of her talent and merit (which i do believe shes very very talented personally)
exactly!!!!!!!
true shit
I was just about to comment this too
Totally agree! Her music was really fun
@@shanicek5188Exactly, I used to love tf out of all of her songs. Now I see that she thinks of the people who support her as idiots, and I'd rather not be an idiot. 💀💀
doja desperately wants to pretend her music is edgier and grittier and deeper than it is- it’s different flavors of sparkly pop music. i won’t dock her for wanting to take things in a direction she’s more passionate about, but i just think she almost regrets what she’s already created for herself, her sparkly pop fanbase
she doesnt regret those pay check lemme tell you that
Regret 7 billion views on CZcams? Billions of streams and millions of dollars? 😂 I think not. Doja cat is a troll, if you choose to take her serious I feel like that’s your problem, because she’s the most unserious person on earth. 💀 Sure her fan base annoys her, because they act like their entitled to her entire existence but, so do Cardi’ fans annoy her, SZA fans occasionally annoy her and many more..
I even like most of her music that I've heard, it's just absurd to watch her do this schtick of pretending her music is something it's not. She's clearly aware of it on some level what with the "it's gonna be a german house/jazz/rnb album" bit, but at the end of the day, under all the layers of irony and trolling- it does seem like she enjoys the type of music she makes, but wants to make people believe it's more countercultural, because she dislikes the fan base she's accrued. That's just my take though
I am still waiting to hear anything other than sparkly pop from her music tho 😂 the problem with her is she can't correlate between what image seems cool to her and an actual music style to fit it. She just makes regular pop.
kind of worried you might be a little biased here. it seems like youre either downplaying a lot of her controversies or are misinformed about most of them. there’s a LOT more offense involved than just “lol trolling”. it’s a lot of trying to appeal to the white incel crowd, silencing victims, and now (admittedly after you posted this video), directly showing support for a neo nazi. you didn’t even mention the paraguay controversy? like this video is incredibly misinformed. i really hope you come out with a follow up
doja cat is always in so much mess that this video didn't even include when she cussed out lorry hill on live and called her a "jack skellington ass bitch" or something like that
I don't think that it the fact that it's a lot. I think it's the fact that he's more so tryna paint doja in a good light. He didn't put any topics that she was completely at fault for. Only like 3 and even then so he was still tryna defend her
@@ZixjndjdudjI think it’s hard for internet professionals to admit she’s a terrible person because she made it mainstream and they’re proud of her. But basically all the internet people who have made it mainstream are some of the worst people to ever live. And that’s hard for people whose careers are on here. Not defending him, because I definitely think this was mostly a miss, just explaining what I think the disconnect is.
Doja cat is a master at marketing, but marketing isn’t enough to keep a long time dedicated fanbase. Like the one she had…
still has lol. real fans care about the music :D
@@loganf6259but you have to realize the person you’re idolizing is not someone you should WANT to idolize. Yes, Doja cats music is really good, but is it worth supporting someone so bad?
Edit: I realize I’ve said something that does not correlate to what I meant at ALL. You can like Doja cats music and stream it, I never meant to say otherwise. ❤️
Exactly... Doja is so very ungrateful to her fans. Like... why even bother to listen to somebody who despises you?
@@cowcow_14Who’s idolizing anyone here?
@@Gafafsgcheck the definition of idolize babe
The thing with her new demonic persona is the demon and satanism schtick is SO overdone. It’s boring. Like, she had so much creativity and fun in her earlier music and music videos. Rules where she’s a mouse dealer kingpin because she’s a cat? Hilarious. The juicy video where she’s dressed up in a watermelon latex suit? Sexy and unique. The demons thing doesn’t even seem like it’s her idea just her record label forcing her into the same boring demon stuff that every other hip hop/rap/pop star is doing now. Big yawn.
Did you watch her videos? How does any of that lack creativity? Just say you are a hater
@@vsboardza yes I have seen her videos. No, I’m not a hater for providing my opinion. Her new videos do lack creativity (again, my opinion, my criticism). The demon/fake satanism look is overdone, boring, and lazy. Copy/paste one eye signs. Copy/paste upside down crosses. Copy/paste devils and demons. Every other artist is doing the same crap. Nothing original here, yawn. No more of what made her special and unique.
Just say you don’t have the capacity to tell the difference between actual haters and peoples thought out opinions and move on.
@@vsboardzaWhere is the creativity doe? Why so agressive towards someone who is not kissing up to a talentless sexist and racist plastic, boo? Just say that you are a rabid doja drone, the only kind of people she attracts.
I agree, and I’m a huge Doja cat fan. Feels a little cringe to me idk. Still a fantastic song though.
I have to disagree because satanic imagery in rap is very rare. Especially the whole package of an alternative black girl doing rap with pop influences and demonic imagery? Never been done. Black people are usually hella religious. I wouldn't be suprised if young alt black kids feel really seen by her performances.
Just as Maya Angelou said. When someone shows you who they are...
this vid aged like milk… (doja decided to post a pic of her wearing a shirt with a neo n*zi on it)
as a person who swears like a sailor, it's honestly so refreshing to watch your videos where you purposely refuse to curse while still bringing weighty points to the table.
I also swear like a sailor to the point I never even notice when other people do or don’t but now that you point it out, you’re right he never does. He is the same age as me and so outstandingly articulate and mature it blows my mind.
Found my people
Hello fellow profanity sayers.
@@Snow_Sailorlol greetings, username checks out c:
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it kinda annoys me how, when talking about Doja Cat, nobody acknowledges what happened in Paraguay. I feel that since that happened, most of her Latine fanbase dropped her completely.
Sorry I'm not done with the video yet but what happened?
@@sailorcandy6633 She had a concert there but was cancelled due to the weather. She later had a party where fans were waiting outside to meet her despite the rain (stupid). The point its that shee never got out to say hi or even a knowledge them, and she later tried to defend herself saying that when she got out, nobody was there. (wich i think was a lie but okay)
When she had to leave she tweeted something along the lines of "When i got out of the hotel the next morning nobody was waiting for me. not even one. talk your shit." Mind you, there was a flood in Paraguay cuz of the rain💀 so yeah, people are dying Kim. Like, do you want to see your fans or not???
So yeah, she never said sorry, she even put on her twitter "i quit" as her username for a while, that and other edgy shit she tweeted. Just like asshole stuff, since then, we dont really like her
@@pepiteroOI mean, I think she handled the situation wrong but she’s not entitled at all to go say hi to her fans when they’re waiting outside for her, if she’s having fun and it’s raining outside, I would get why she wouldn’t go say hi.
@@Mateo-xs3uythe problem isnt her not wanting to step outside and say hi, the problem was complaining that when she DID, no one was there. Just like she doesnt have to step out, they didnt have to wait outside either, especially during a flood. It was the twitter rant (where she lied) that pissed them off, not the part where she didnt say hi.
@@Swordprincess777 maybe she was being sarcastic? It’s a double meaning, like people waited outside and she didn’t say hi and when she stepped outside to say hi no one was there, I feel like she said that as a sarcastic comment
Angelo I love your content but I can't believe you skipped out the Paraguay controversy, one of the biggest controversies she's been through, worse than the incel one.
What happened there?
That one was puzzling to me for so many reasons when the usual generic statement would have been sufficient. If MGK knew how to do it, how come she or none of the clowns in her camp had enough common sense to know better. Somehow, it seems like in her mind she feels like she's the one being victimized based on how she handled everything.
@@melaniemsp1228 She was supposed to perform in Paraguay but it got suspended because of a big storm. The storm was so big it destroyed people's houses, people lost their pets, got injured and as far I know people died too. The 3 days she stayed in Paraguay she never said hello or something to the people stayed to receive her (before the storm happened). Nobody complained about it, everyone agreed it wasn't a big deal if she didn't wanted to come out the hotel to say hi.
The problem started because Doja complained saying "nobody was waiting for her", that they didn't welcomed her and I think even called them like 'fake fans' AFTER all the storm thing, after people lost family, their house, mascots, etc. One of her tweets also was worded inappropiately, looking like if she was mocking people for 'drowning'. At the end she just blamed Paraguayans and played victim, saying she would quit music because of them
There was also videos of people who worked at the hotel she stayed and said she especified she didn't wanted them to look at her directly at the eyes. But this one could be fake tho
@@_makocap_3562 I don't think she was in Paraguay for a full 3 days. Also, wasn't there some famous blogger in Paraguay that posted something fake and people thought it was Doja? And when she saw people attacking her she was confused and clapped back and made things worse. Then somebody started calling her racist but I think it was probably somebody in the US and not Paraguay. Either way, I don't know if it was ignorance or lack of experience on Doja's part and her people not saying something like Miley and MGK did.
Also I really wish you had talked about her trash talking the fans in Paraguay and so on. Just saw a comment mentioning it and that whole thing was a true mess.
Thiss, I'm from latam and it was really upsetting, idk why people never point that out
She sent DMs to Noah knowing he'd answer her and get a kick out of it because she's a star. That was her flexing power from the start. Why the hell wouldn't he share that nonsense?
It’s her saying that she knows that he doesn’t have more power than her, for me. Sounds narcissistic as hell.
I was always confused on how she couldn’t find Joseph quinn insta bc it’s literally his name. Also how she chose to message the youngest of the main crew who is still a minor rather than the other adults. It honestly seems like she knew Noah who is the most active on the Internet and when she messaged him she expected him to give her more information such as maybe Joseph’s number or something more bc she this big celebrity but then he said the obvious thing(dm Joseph). So if anything seems exploitative or a power-play to me, it seems her choice in choosing noah of all people to message.
You also missed her back and forth saying she wants to quit music and she’s so sad, then cursing out her fans for consoling her. You missed her ranting when her fans didn’t come wait for her at her hotel after a hurricane when she cancelled a show (even though they were all there the night before as the hurricane started). She’s been very annoying to her fans for a whilllleeeee so the fan reactions you’re seeing isn’t based off just one faux pas.
Like this deep dive is not deep enough at all
I also agree with this, when he said he wasn’t bothered at her not liking her old music. It’s not the fact that she doesn’t like her old music it’s the fact that she disrespected the fans who liked it and said they fell for a cash grab as if she wasn’t crying when she won awards from said cash grab. Were those tears genuine or just lies, did all the fans who supported you so much to see you grow and cheer you on and wish the best for you but here you are saying they’re weeping for mediocre pop. Not to mention all the other stuff she’s done.
@@operacz_9327This. Said she had nothing to do with racism or police brutality, but she literally released a song called “Dindu” which is an underground racial slur about black people killed by police brutality specifically 💀
@@sierrah5928 not only that, to all the artist she's worked with Its so disrespectful. Doesn't matter if its "her normal antics" Lil nas x never acted that way before! He had said he was going to come out with a new album after his old town road money ran out which is a funny and humorous way to say "my music is a cash grab" But never disrespected billy ray cyrus by calling his song mediocre. I also dislike the fact he didn't put that portion before the "unwarranted rude fan comment" The fan probably said that because doja had already just called her fans music taste trash and wasn't feeling her "antics" and really thought she was just being rude. The fans comment isn't really unwarranted when its put that way. If made no sense or am wrong let me know.
DAMN ya going crazy in here
yikes, bits of this are not aging well after the sam hyde shirt picture
He just can't keep getting away with it
Funny how this appeared in my recommended right after she posted a pic where she was using a shirt of a neon*zist, at this point I think that we'll probably need a sequel soon...
Having a million followers repeat messages that "this is not a cult" is almost definitely going to convince people it's not a cult.😂
I think that’s the point x
That’s the point….
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LMFAO
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I saw a tweet that said something along the lines of "if Doja's going to go for the satanic aesthetic she should make tracks that don't sound like elevator music", that's exactly how I feel about Paint the Town Red lmao
lil nas did the same thing.. this take is dumb.
@apolloinparadise agree to disagree, I really liked Lil Nas X's music, it was all related to religious trauma and being gay which was rly on theme imo
@@apolloinparadise At least lil nas made music that everybody agreed was good ☠
she had me thinking she was gonna drop some death metal shit with a slipknot feat 😵💫
@@apolloinparadisehis songs are bangers fr
fine points but with the recent shirt incident its safe to say she's just Like That. we can't keep handwaving her behaviour away because she is NOT for the culture.
She's jewish or mixed, not black, so...
@@DJPoundPuppy she Jewish and black
Yah this didn't age well. Can we get an update not giving her credit, and low-key defending her for "trolling" and just admit she's a terrible person. Her boyfriend is a literal p3d@ph*!3, and she said slurs, and now she got Sam-hyde on her shirt. If that isn't enough Idk what is atp.
yeah the concluding idea of the video is kinda strange? its questionable to me how after all the awful sh*t he mentioned abt her (n other controversies he left out as well, like the paraguay incident), he's ending with like a sorta positive note and giving her too much benefit of the doubt 💀
@@lilacstories Literally! Bro why do they always do this with celebs. For example Chris Brown has literal abuse allegations and people will kinda justify it saying " yah but his music slaps". Idk how he just laid everything bad thing she's done and was like " she's kinda smart for playing along" ????? whatever I just hope that he doesn't think this anymore now that she supports literal N@z!'s
The “demonic” album cover should’ve been a red flag. It makes multiple references to anti-Black, colorist stereotypes and I had an anxiety attack when I first saw it. I don’t know why people were praising it in the first place.
@@biguattipoptropica facts! but when we say it we r going to deep and that we r reading into things too much. Idc what people say that album was problematic and trash 😭😭
@@lilacstoriesthe paraguay thing was crazy 😭
finally someone bringing up that she's SOOOOOOO INSECURE like it's crazy how insecure she is & her behavior shows it 😭 everyone's just saying "she clearly doesn't want to be famous." no, she just is insecure, miserable and probably going through some mental health issues.
100% my opinion on her, so glad someone else said it. she needs to get a good therapist and get off the internet for a while, like her entire personality is based on shitty 4chan and reddit threads and "it was a prank bro!!!". she needs to stop being so defensive and find her actual personality that isn't """trolling""" or mocking/shouting back at women who had been abused. that's not funny and it's not ~cool feminist empowerment~ or whatever shit her fans have said about her behaviour. I'm older than her and was essentially raised on the internet, too, but somehow I managed to grow out of my edgy teenager phase and realised I was just being a little shit to everyone. "ummm it's post-irony nothing is sacred" shut up past me, maybe you were just being a knob. anyway here's hoping Doja Cat gets out of hers soon, although considering her age... fingers crossed you know.
I don't know why but I feel like she's doing this on purpose. As a way to kind of fade out of all the attention? Maybe she's planning to quit
@@rosehipowl yeah it’s very clear from her behavior that she took the whole edgelord, sarcastic, everything is cringe lesson from growing up on the internet and never worked past it to become comfortable with and trust genuine connections. I seriously hope she steps away from social media for a while and sees a professional
I actually don't think she has any interest in quitting. She has done none of the work or commitment to quitting - if she wanted to do so, she could and would. Of course she is super famous but if she just decided to be a recluse, invest her money and never make music again, another version of her will pop up in the next few years with a different twist on it. Doja is insanely talented but the world is huge and talent is (almost) endless. There's tons of poor kids around the world with more talent than her that we never get the privilege of hearing. The reality is that Doja doesn't want to stop being rich and influential (and I don't blame her). All of this is a farce. Otherwise, she wouldn't constantly be on live and doing crazy things to gain attention and profiting off the new Satanic Panic. She knows what she is doing and she doesn't want to stop being in the limelight, she is just insecure. Ofc none of us actually know her but based on what I've seen I think she's super friggin insecure & defensive and I think she doesn't view pop music as good and valid music (SO untrue) because she spends her time with edgelords who have probably convinced her that the fact that a bunch of GenZ girls and gays love her music means it's garbage. This is why she has started hating her fans and saying she wants to make 'real rap'. She's insecure.@@sillycheese301
tbh she always been insecure, i think now she just decided to show it publictly on all forums instead of discords and chats
The fact that she decided to go all Disney villain on us with the “all my old songs were cash grabs and you fell for it, fools!” Is funny as hell to me because what does that have to do with her defending a groomer and all the other objectively wrong sh!t? 💀💀
Also! “All my old songs were just cash grabs” GIRLYPOP you dedicated years of your life to that “cash grab” music and if you aren’t proud of the work you’ve put out over the years, that just screams insecurity. It’s a typical mean girl trope lol
@@K8.cant.hang222I mean that's what artists signed to labels have to do though, they don't get to just release whatever they want
@@Megasaurusify well ofc she's lying her ass off for pr 😭
@@Megasaurusify To me that's mostly ADHD talking, but only Doja(maybe) has the tea on everything that's been going on with her for the last 21/2 years or more. The biggest knock for me though is about her lack of touring history. I don't think many people realize that Doja has never really been on a solo world tour after all this time for somebody that has performing in her DNA. When you compare her to her contemporaries, she's way behind.
Wasn't that the theme of a Spike Lee joint!
this didn’t age well after the Sam Hyde thing..
Someone said this video should be titled in defence of Doja Cat
I was a member of JCyrus' twitch community at the time of the big collapse. I was not one of the women he solicited nudes from/lead on, nor was I in their close social circle on discord, but I can tell you a little about what it was like there.
It was safe, like a warm blanket. Everyone knew everyone's names, not their screen names but their NAMES. You'd show up and say hi and everyone would greet you like Norm from Cheers, including Jeff himself if you frequented the stream enough.
It was full of lovely, kind people, and Jeff took advantage of this. He branded himself as a safe person, because look how safe and inclusive the stream is, right? He always made a point to thank us for being so wonderful, sometimes cry (probably crocodile tears in hindsight), and always always ALWAYS thanked his mods... on stream.
A close friend of mine learned from one of the mods that he would frequently have them on discord calls screaming at them... these sweet hardworking people volunteering their time to moderate his chat. ALL behind closed doors, of course, so we all thought he really loved and respected and treated them well.
We thought he was a genuine, trustworthy person.
And then the women started coming forward. And it felt like the world falling down around us, because during covid we would all come together and spend all day at the stream or in his discord.
Many of the victims of his mistreatment have private twitters with the exact details of their situations which I will not air out as many of them wish to move on with their lives, but all share a common thread of being made to feel special, to feel CHOSEN, and then used for their bodies one way or another, then dropped like a bad habit as soon as he was done. I've seen these women - they are all incredibly conventionally attractive.
He is or at the very least was a manipulative snake who will NEVER regain the trust of those who were there when this all went down.
This needs way more likes! I didn't know I could hate the man any more but damn he is DISGUSTING
I was in his community too, it literally was a punch to the gut when we found out what was happening. Just wanted to let you know that I'm here and thank you for explaining this whole weird, upsetting situation from the perspective of Jeff's former community. Sometimes I see him streaming and it makes my stomach actually hurt. Sometimes it was hard not to feel sorry for him, but really I just feel pity. He took advantage and would've kept on doing it with the excuse of his mental health in his back pocket. And with the way he came back, and the way he's letting Doja defend him knowing he was in the wrong, it just lets me know that he was never sorry in the first place. He never learned a lesson and def never worked on himself.
I’m glad I read this reply and was actually able to see the full story behind it. I decided to unfollow Doja because of him but to know that he treated women like that and essentially broke down an entire community of people and Doja deciding to stand beside him is sickening
@fluxonite4254 My online friends are way better friends than my irl friends who live no more than 20 minutes away with me yet never bother to even text. Having online friends is completely normal and not "incredibly unhealthy." Sounds like you've never had the pleasure of developing strong relationships in small communities, especially ones built off twitch. Friendships made from twitch/discord communities are not the same as Stan twt friendships. Discord essentially becomes a group chat with all your friends n acquaintances. Think of it like a club but online.
Why are men?
I'm so baffled by how stupid people can be when it comes to satanic panic. There are obviously artists that really embrace it, but so many artists merely embrace it as an aesthetic or artistic influence, and people assume a soul has been sold. It's absurd
i’m not gonna lie, if you’re saved then you don’t even mess w that stuff at all regardless of good intentions because it can welcome unwanted issues in your life. this is from a Christian perspective
also, there have been testimonies from ex-entertainers that talk about how there are huge artists in the industry that are straight up satanists, however it’s up to you whether you want to believe those testimonies or not
@@THE326JORDAN exactly. even using it as an "aesthetic" (awful choice if that's what you "like") is just an open door for bad things to happen to you. AS SHOWN with doja clearly hahahhahahahaaaa
@@THE326JORDANliterally nobody whos saved would even go near stuff like that
Like the other guy said, it's not that a lot of us Christians believe she's really made some deal with Satan, but that her actions downplay/normalise the severity of messing with these unknown forces, as it can bring about a lot of harm in one's life
All i'm saying is if she wasn't beautiful and skinny people would not have allowed this sorta behavior, like "oh she's the anti-pop star" and "she's ONLY in her 20s" like as if she can't be an amazing artist and fashion icon while also being chronically online, manipulative, and just flat out mean.
Honestly, charts are easy to manipulate when you have big companies making sure you end up in playlists and on the radio. I really wanna see how her tour pans out because a lot of people were taking their tickets back lol
She wants a revenge era or something like reputation or chun-li, but she hasn't faced anything remotely near what those singers went through. The media love her & she doesn't face any genuine hate, that's why PTTR and Demons felt so out of place for me. Who are you fighting? The religious IG comments? It's deeply unserious how she's trying to run this story about how she's a victim of parasocial relationships, when the real story was her pedophile boyfriend and her shitting on her fans? So corny.
I have no horse in this race but lil-nas-x had to face a definite uphill battle for her to just cosplay his existence into an era
She's fighting her own demons but doesn't even realize it cause she's too busy externalizing that it's the world out to get her, rather than almost everyone originally being in her corner. She chooses to listen to the 5% of toxicity and seeks it out. I can relate to that and suspect she had a dysfunctional upbringing. She seems to crave confrontation because it's an outlet for those feelings. But ultimately she's a grown woman yelling at teenagers on Instagram lives
i’ve always been annoyed when people say her fans were being mean to her so she had a right to say what she did. i highly doubt most of the criticism was coming from actual fans. she’s also a troll so i don’t get why she’s taking internet comments seriously.
@@ruminationstation4200 right? it only felt like yesterday that people were constantly praising her for being one of the few relatable and unproblematic celebrities left-and-right, yet she'll swear up and down that she's just being unfairly penalised by the masses
@@emowithouteventryingshe didn't actually say anything about her fans though, her "fans" are the ones who latch on to rumors without proof and try to cancel her over and over. Like the whole "she hates her fans" narrative, she never said she hates her fans
The whole Doja satanism controversy is funny because there are underground musicians who are far more serious and open about, it but the types of people who actually worry about that stuff live in a bubble so their only perception of satanists are celebrities who act weird for attention.
Literally this.
It’s the way she went about it ig
satanic panic will forever be a comedy skit to me
Isn't almost Halloween 😂
It's such an old little trick, too. The Beatles released Nr 9 after their fans thought Paul died and if you play the track backwards, nr 9 sounds like "turn me on dead man".
Same goes for Rihanna's music videos where they would edit pictures of Satan in the frame😂
It's for attention because the conspiracy was super popular 10 years ago and people are so naive.
There are so many wonderful creators in the music world to support. DojaCat will be fine without my attention.
would loooove an update after her weird shirt today 👀👀👀
To me she got to a point where she can't handle being famous and it shows.
she got to a point where she should've hired a PR manager, but didnt, because she thrives off of the attention she gets. any excuse she can give is boohoo because she is the only one at fault for this happening.
Yeah I’ve never understood why some people have all that money and *don’t hire a PR team.* 😭
@@mxcksrealma lot of this is likely on purpose, her not having a PR manager is actually doing well for her. There's also the fact that the label she's signed to is very predatory (Dr Luke)
@@mxcksrealmShe also has a fanbase of loyal lapdogs that tells anyone who criticises her that she's just trolling (as if that's an excuse). Not saying every Doja Fan is like that but you can really tell in the comments that some people think saying "it's just a prank bro can't you see that she doesn't actually think that" somehow makes what she does better
And having people like that who defend her shitty actions shields her from confronting the consequences of her own hubris
To be honest, no one can handle fame for too long. This is why Beyonce does not engage online. Keeping a distant life from social media especially is actually healthier.
Her marketing strategy is what all those big old execs can't understand: she knows how the internet works.
Yep! It reminds me of Bill Cosby's managment having a meme contest *right* at the time the serial rape and drugging became common knowledge (late 2014) really failed on that one!
okay just got to the schnapp bit and you probably get around to this but I gotta say, like it was totally weird for her to retaliate so publicly. if she really wanted to get her message across, AS THE ADULT in the situation, she should've handled it privately. DMed him saying "hey I just wanna let you know that made me uncomfortable." you want it to be private make it private. It's weird as hell to blast a child on live who you probably shouldn't have been DMing in the first place.
Talks an hour about how she's being awful, then concludes: actually, she's really cool and just trolling, lolololol. 🙄
Yeaaah this definitely did not age well; especially after the sam hyde post
@@Nesia187You realize Sam Hyde is a terrorist is a meme, right? It was creatd by people trolling Sam because they hated him. How is her wearing clothing with that meme supporting him? Its literally how people canceled him…
@@LyricSnowestop dick riding doja, she wouldnt have cropped the photo to make herself look better if it was a “meme”
@@LyricSnowe
The same people spreading that meme are edgy 4channers and the like so it's not an attempt to "cancel him" its more a shitty joke and a prideful thing
@@LyricSnowe he's still a neonazi
It’s wild to me that she went off about how she hated her pop tracks and wanted to deviate from that and made her fanbase feel like shit about it, then subsequently came out with a song that sounded similar to what she claimed she hated. Whats more wild is that her pop tracks were unique for pop when they came out. Say So created a trend of pop songs with a similar style.
she. is. a. troll...
Why do y'all insist on taking anything she says and does seriously OR personally?
@@vsboardza nothing I said implied that I took anything she did personally???celebrities are public figures, it’s okay to openly discuss them. And sorry, I didn’t know you knew her on such a personal level, I was just going off of what she was saying herself on her Twitter. You gotta learn to relax when people are critiquing your faves. There’s nothing wrong with discussing her career, what she has said publicly and where her music is headed. I mean the video is literally about her so I’m going to comment about her….
@@vsboardza bro chill, they were just pointing something out, its not that deep
@@vsboardzaWhy do y'all doja drones insist on being butthurt when someone isn't kissing her ass for breathing?
It's like she just says/does things to stur the pot and shake shit up. She'll do something that get everyone mad and have all eyes on her, then drop something that has everyone looking around like "what was the point of all that?" It just gets a little annoying.
people: hey doja maybe don’t get into arguments with your fans when they call out your predator boyfriend-
doja: IM SHAVING MY HEAD THE HATERS CANT GET TO ME! IM IN A NEW ERA!!!!!
That made me giggle😂
Maybe don't attack an artist about her boyfriend based on rumors and twitter replies. A place notorious for making up rumors and y'all expect her to listen to these people and then do what?
@@razorscootervs.ankles8152 there was proof of it, and yeah i 100% believe we shouldn’t attack just her, but when she started blocking and silencing his victims i lost the SMALL remaining amount of respect i had for her, she already gave me weird vibes when she got mad at noah. i used to love doja, the way she degraded her fans could’ve been something i looked past, but it was the fact that it was over them CALLING out his predatory behavior of grooming his exes and she basically said “fuck off i don’t care” she is someone who’s said she stands for women and then silenced them. i don’t have any respect for her, 🤷
@@bunmooon there was no proof of him grooming, being a rapist or a pedo. Like I said there was only proof of him apologize for what he did to his twitch mods and chat which was manipulation. If you have proof of the other "allegations" you should start providing it.
You can't call twitter Stan accounts "victims" as you don't know who those people are, anybody can call themselves a victim on twitter without proof, it's intellectually dishonest to just immediately believe it. It makes sense for her to block people spreading rumors about her bf and putting it in her replies, what is she supposed to do with that information?
@@razorscootervs.ankles8152how is stating that her boyfriend is a pedophile in anyway attacking her?
You missed so much stuff, I specially raised an eyebrow when you didn't say anything about Paraguay and the race play. What you saw as jokes, for many people, was actually her lashing out like a kid because she wants to be different so bad, it's the first time her jokes really caught me off guard like that. For me, this video feels like a fan trying to justify their fave actions, while hiding a bunch of important information, this is really the only video of yours that I feel immensely disappointed in and would not recommend for anyone to watch (but that doesn't make a difference), I know you are a smart person, that is able to do tons of research and look at situations in a neutral way, so I hope that you make a follow-up addressing everything i, and many others are saying. I'm glad your fan base is made of smart people that can think for themselves and isn't taking everything here as the true story.
this aged horribly lmao. “shes just trolling lawl >_
Honestly of all the things she’s done, I don’t really think any were bad compared to the boyfriend issue. I’m tired of women enabling these kinds of men.
@@socialdemocracyisntsocialist Nicki too
But don’t people get the chance to change? People make mistakes and deserve room for improvement idk what he’s doing now but it’s a bit unfair to go searching for ways to drag someone down just because. I’m not supporting him or anything just saying
@@Mauvefalconeyour point is totally valid, and I agree with you! but i think the comment from @socialmediademocracyisntsocialist perfectly explains why we are angry at her and not at him
so much hate speech
@@Mauvefalcone not if you don't like that person it's perfectly valid then 🙄🙄
She's gotta be trolling if she wanted to write non-corny music then came up with "what are those, you are gross" 😂
And the valley girl rap voice in her new song is 🤢
@@slylover123its intentional love
@@slylover123it was an artistic direction choice in respect to Agora Hills, the city she grew up in.
Demons was clearly a joke if you listen to the album in full it fits just right with her personality and the album.
@@hidingly Everything to Doja is a joke which is why I don't like folks like her IRL. If everything is meant to be a joke and everything is fodder for 'edgelord' behavior, when do you develop an actual personality? Doja doesn't have one. Her entire brand is her being allergic to sincerity. Meg Thee Stallion is someone who clearly loves making jokes and her TikTok is full of her using funny voices and doing hilarious things even while working out and her music is full of quipps making fun of broke men & her past hookups. But even she can get sincere when she needs to be. Every critique we make about Doja gets turned into 'but it's just a joke.' You can make parody/jokester songs with good flow/lyrics lmao
Coming back to say, you might want to take this video down and post a new one because she proved you wrong
Really hope we get an update. I wasnt really feeling this vid but after recent events...i feel like you might need to reevaluate this vid. Still love you tho ❤
So this cleared up a lot for me about her past “controversies” and really, basically what I got out of this video is to not take her seriously as a person 💀
ditto
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Doja’s “Mediocre Pop” rant is giving Cole Sprouse’s Tumblr Social Experiment reveal. There was also a CZcamsr by the name, “Stuff with Scoutfly” who also acted like Doja and dissed the fanbase that he grew. If someone doesn’t want to interact with their fanbase, then they should do so without insulting and humiliating their existing fanbase. If anything, this proves that not everyone should read the comments or other responses.
what is the cole sprouse tumblr social experiment reveal?
@@tsundor1 Back in the 2010s, Cole Sprouse had a tumblr blog where he made posts and interacted with fans, and later on, he abandoned the blog and revealed on his twitter that his tumblr blog was a "social experiment" that he made as part of some college assignment and everyone got mad at him for it. Then he clapped back by saying how it's their fault that they fell for his experiment or something along those lines.
While I think some stuff you note is wrong think, but your underplaying some of her BS. But no one seems to get cancelled for the right reason. Now, she's wearing Sam Hyde on a shirt. I think y'all underplay her antics
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This aged like milk
Her saying she hates her old music is a bigger own on her than us. While we’re enjoying ourselves she was the one standing in the booth scowling and aggravated. Also, Demon was such a mid song as compared to the video.
Not to mention all the people who collabed like how rude to Nicki, Ariana, the weeknd, Rico Nasty, Smino, Gucci Mane the list goes on 😂 I don't think any of them signed up to make a mediocre cash grab
@@thefelicitsexactly dude like god forbid ppl listen to music for fun sometimes? idk why she had to dog her own albums as if anyone was even being that picky abt it
@@thefelicits I'm also sure all of the people you listed understand the qualms of trying to establish as close of a true-to-self identity when there's millions of strangers attempting to definitively do that for them. In other words, I'm sure they understand where she was getting at and you probably care more than they do.
I find her to be super cringe and uninteresting, but I appreciate how DeAngelo presented it in a good way
Right like I don’t think about her much but I’m glad to have the full story and not just the headlines
yeah, its really refreshing to hear a take on her and all this shit that actually accounts for reality, things like opposing clickbait to establish the actual facts of her past vs the sensationalized, plus acknowledging that she doesnt owe her fans statements that are more personal when in reality she cant love strangers. i do wish more focus was put on her behavior around her boyfriend and how she handled folks trying to bring his actions to light and hear from her about it, but truthfully he gave it about as much time as people concerned with all her dramas have. at the least, d'angelo focused on the boyfriend thing being worth attention and focus, and tore down the overblown and parasocial nature of a lot of her more major dramas
Don’t lie. You stream her music in secret 😂
@@heiress. 😅😂
@@heiress.I mean I did like her music, but seeing how this ""drama"" was more than her being real about not loving people she didn't know...easy enough to stop listening.
Like they said, I also don't care all that much since I'm the type to love the music but know jack all about the artist (much to my detriment). If all doja was doing, was setting herself free from expectations and music she hated doing alongside shutting down parasocial relationships, that would've been more than fine...but unfortunately she isn't. She's just weird
Please tell me you changed youre mind Angello😭😭