Warhammer Fantasy 6th Edition Battle Report | Dwarfs vs Dark Elves
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- In this 2000pts 6th Ed batrep, Ignoring the counsel of his father to remain in their stronghold, The young Dwarf Lord Borek 'Thunderbrow' Thorekson marches out to meet a slaving force of Dark Elves to eject them from his lands and throw them back into the sea.
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They just want to give you meaningful, life-long employment! Don't fight them!
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The half naked druchii stumbled into the cell, his back was raw from tasting the lash, one eye swollen shut his other glared back through bars, the gate clanged shut, locking. "Your position is revoked. Your household is forfeit. Your family will spend their remaining years in servitude and their bodies will nourish the land. The alter of Khaine awaits you when we return to Naggaroth .. you will soar again, your flayed skin will serve as a banner, testament to your folly". Cruel laughter faded away with the sorceress into the gloom.
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Ugh .. what a disaster. Nice to see a painted army of vintage miniatures, gorgeous sorceress. Perhaps new dice will serve the dark elves better, who said yellow was a good choice? buttercups, daisys, sunshine, bannanas, cowards .. yuk, blood red, shadow black, replendant purple, bone ivory .. no wonder this didn't go as planned.
Very nice game!!
A couple of things about the first combat challenge:
- if you wear a magic weapon, its use is mandatory. You can't choose to use the lance
- in a charge, charging units fight all at the same time, not in initiative order. In addition, you can always do extra wounds to the "dead body" of the enemy in challenge to get more combat res. It is, indeed, the intention of the rule: you can kill it with your first swing, but you continue to smash it to frighten the enemy
I knew you could not use a Magical and non magical weapon at the same time, but thought you could still choose to use one or the other
@@nevillebrackenreg4037 pag. 152 english rulebook! For this reason, it is not interesting to buy more weapons to that caracter...only the magic one
Bretonnians have a rule that overrides it and actually forces you to use a non-magical lance on the charge if you buy one. So don't buy one if you want to use your fancy sword on the charge.
Nice battle and oldhammer dark elf army. 6th was tough for elf.
Some points to remark.
1. When there is only 1 crew left, bolt thrower only shots once every two turns (recharge time)
2. When having magic weapon, you have always to use it.
3. Witch elf has poisson attacks. That was two wounds on the challenge and they would have hold (not for long, but moral victory)
And another note. When the harpies won the combat, they could extend they contact miniatures to attack more. It could be good.
What a nice job for girocopter. Dwarf army are really nice to see on the field.
Hello @gulpirri, regarding your first point: as the the Dark Elf Bolt Thrower is fielded with a team of 2 crew members, there is no penalty for the loss of one; the "shooting every other turn" penalty only applies to Bolt Throwers requiring crews of 3+ (pg. 125, loss of crew)
What a stunning army, Nev! Love the oldschool models and the paintjobs on the Cold One Knights and Witches are fantastic. Pretty tough matchup against the stunties, looking forward to a rematch!
Thank you, yes the high dwarf toughness and armour was too much for the dark elves, will have to make some changes for the next game.
Amazing batrep as always! Always entertaining, always beautifully painted armies and battlefield, and always charming guests! Another win for the thicc bois.
- Rules wise, all attacks take place in a challenge even if the first set kill the opponent. The mount would still get their attacks in. That combat could have been managed better by the DE player if he would have focused his hero and maybe his champion's attacks on the BSB in the turn he charged. Instead he got his killy DE Prince neutered by getting busy fighting a unit champion, the BSB stayed alive and then caused havoc when hitting back. That combat ending up differently would have changed the whole game.
- And in the turn when the unit of warriors and the slayers chased the corsairs, the slayers chased first so they should have moved first, and it looks like they could clear the gap without hitting the witch elves unit. Then yes as you said both chasing units would just get all the way through the friendly unit (Ironbreakers) simlar to what a goblin fanatic does, so both units would have ended up in a very awkward position tactically, and blocking the way of the Ironbreakers (which happens, and would be a consideration for deciding to chase or not). Instead the slayers got an uncanny charge into the unit that was facing their flank, the warriors stayed put and there was no damage done, only advantages. That could have also mattered! It hurts to see things like that when the dark elves were already in very deep trouble at that point
Anyway keep these coming! Best 6th Ed bat reps out there :) it gives us our fix of WHFB when we can't play nearly as often as we would like anymore
Thanks mate! With the Slayers pursuit, when they turned to face the line of pursuit they contacted the corner of the W E unit. Should they not have been turned to face and just been moved from their original facing then turned to face the direction of pursuit at the end?
You keep bringing some amazing battles. That dark elf army looks amazing! Love the classic herohammer models! Another great battle!
Thanks mate!
This is the first ever battle report I've watched twice, I don't think I could give a better compliment than that. :) I'm sure I'll watch some of the other again as well while waiting for new 6th ed battle reports. Thank you Stos for the entertainment!
Wow, that is indeed quite the compliment sir! Thanks heaps! 😁
Another top-notch batrep Stos. The Dice Gods were unkind to Nev in that one and made it really hard for him to make a bent in the Dwarven Wall of Iron. Obviously the Dwarf's resolve to not be taken slaves was strong! Though I think Borek might have handed over that cannon crew after that performance😁
Well at least the Dark Elves went out looking just stunning. Lovely paint job Nev, and the banners are exceptional - hand done? And here's hoping you have better luck next time!
Thanks Damon! Glad you enjoyed it mate! I don't know what needs to be done about that cannon crew. But boy do they deserve a whipping!
The absolutely reliabililty with which you misfire that cannon every game is pretty hilarious ngl :D
Loved the bat rep please keep them coming!
That bloody cannon dude! I've had a new set of crew on my paint table for a while now. Might be time to get them behind the proverbial wheel.
@@rogueelementgaming Inspired by your wonderful bat reps, I've been working on a dwarf list to get painted up (luckily I have the models), you will note the lack of cannons and organ guns!:
LORDS & HEROES:
Dwarf Lord - 275pts
- Master Rune of Alaric the Mad, Rune of Fury, Rune of Cleaving
- Rune of Resistance, Rune of Stone
- Gromril Armour, Shield
Runesmith - 155pts
- Master Rune of Balance, Rune of Spellbreaking
- Gromril Armour, Shield
Thane - 130pts
- Battle Standard Bearer
- Master Rune of Gromril, Rune of Resistance
CORE:
19 Warriors - 215pts
- Full Command, Heavy Armour, Great Weapons
10 Quarrellers - 120pts
10 Miners - 120pts
SPECIAL:
18 Ironbreakers - 289pts
- Full Command, Rune of Battle
Bolt Thrower - 95pts
- Rune of Penetrating, rune of skewering
Bolt Thrower - 45pts
Stone Thrower - 135pts
- Rune of Accuracy, Rune of Penetrating
RARE:
18 Long Drong's Slayer Pirates - 291 pts "Ooo-arr!"
- Full Command (deploy unit 6+ wide for more pew pew)
Malakai Makaisson's Goblin Hewer - 130pts (counts as Rare & Hero choice)
TOTAL: 2000pts
Would love any thoughts you have on the list 😁
This morning just watched the dwarves destroy Hordes of Chaos, Orcs and Goblins and Dark Elves. GW have made the Dwarves way too powerful. This has been my experience playing against them for at least 30 years as well over many editions of the rules.
Ah.. I felt they were tough but not too powerful. This 6th Ed book from 2000 is fun and decent.. But you can break them - Fear-casuing stuff is one thing.. Mobility another.. Hardly the best army but when you have to get over there and break them, chase them off - it will always be tough.. If they have to get somewhere, they are ain trouble..
Slayers must be pretty upset about not being able to fulfill their oaths, envying that one lucky bastard that died to those witch elves.
Stoked to get some elf blood on their axes. But they are definitely pretty upset about still being around to clean it off afterwards.
@@rogueelementgaming the bolt throwers should have gone into the slayers!
These are the best battle reports on CZcams by far mate, literally binge watched most of them this weekend😅
Wow, thanks heaps my man! 🤘
Another Win for my favorite Army (the only real Army with Honour in Warhammer, the most others are Hordes !). Comment for the Algorythmus, thanks again
The Darkshards made 5 hits to the Grudge thrower, not 4 ;) (at 30:29). Just started watching the battle reports on this channel, love them!
You only had a combat score 8 against the Cold Ones, not 9. (3 kills, 3 ranks, Banner, Outnumber)
Yeah, I saw that in the edit. Feels bad 😞
@@rogueelementgaming I think you forget some +1 for Charging a few times? Or is that not in 6th Ed? iirc it is and I think you did, but not 100%.. I´ll see next time I watch.. ;)
Yeah no +1 for charging in 6th man. Machine Spirit is correct.
This. Game state corrupted at this point…
Again another lovely report. Regarding Dark Elf shooting: There's a reason why it's called the "A-team effect" XD
Cheers mate!
Great batrep guys. It shows that when things work out , dwarfs are one of the most brutal army in this awesome game. I mean having to cross a battle field under heavy fire power to crush against big bricks of powerful warriors that deny magic is technically very hard on paper. If you add bad dices in the mix for the opponent… anyway keep up the great content and take care ! Cheers 🍻
Dwarfs are indeed often a hard nut to crack. Particularly hard this time though! Thanks for watching!
This video brought back flashbacks of you one-shotting my mounted elf lord with a cannon. Them dwarves are scary. Great battle as always, those dark elves were beautifully painted.
I always remember that moment with great pride, and just a little shame...
Stunning armies both! Thanks for the battle report! I think that game needs a revenge!
Agreed!
The mount still strikes. They're considered the same model. You get all your attacks even if you overkill
This was my thought as well, do you have a BRB/FAQ page number for confirmation?
Pretty sure that this is wrong. They have separate stat lines so attack separately. Being a single model is not relevant.
I've wanted a Druchii army for as long as I've known about WHFB. Maybe it's time.
I think it is.... :)
Nice work! I really enjoy your batreps! Just one little detail: according to the dwarf army book, "no more than one item may carry the same combination of magic runes", you could not have two characters wearing armor engraved with a single rune of stone, it is called "the rule of Pride".
Thanks mate! the rune of stone has a passage at the end of it's entry stating it is an exception to the rule of pride.
@@rogueelementgaming You're right, my bad!
O.O You've just made my day! Thank you listening to the dark elf proposal and thanx for the channel
Most welcome my man! Thought you'd be happy to see this one!
I hear you get more benefits on the docks of Karond Kar than in the depths of an Amazon warehouse!
like always a very entertaining batrep. i still remember that 6. edition was a hard one for elves. so nice to see those old miniatures . love it!
Glad you enjoyed it! Those sweet old models were a joy to see on the table.
Some thought Dark Elves were a little weak.. I dunno.. But High Elves and Wood Elves were very good in 6th Ed, indeed.. And you can make Dark Elves work.. M5, high WS and BS, high I and Ld? Gheez.. if you can´t make that work..
heck yeah! those old school dark elves are awesome. Ive been debating on with painting my bases in goblin green!
Such a beautiful army!
@@rogueelementgaming great game, sad for the rolls on Nev, but youre really figuring out that copter! Shows what just a little bit of speed can add to a slow force. Elves are a tough army to play in this edition. Toughness and strength are just a lot better than WS and Int the way the to hit and to wound charts work. Though the elves are some beautiful models!
Great seeing more games and cool armies!
I miss the harpies. Used to take them with Skaven for cheesy gits with too many missle weapons
Oh, wonderful! Time to do some modelling whilest listening and watching this! :D
Enjoy!
Another victory for the Dwarves of Karak Hirn! The Dark Elves looked impressive! I really like how the cold ones vary just enough to stand out from one another. Hopefully Nev will be back for a grudge match to earn glory and slaves for the black arks!
Thank you, yes I will be back, probably with a different army though, I have a few to throw on the table.
@@nevillebrackenreg4037 I am excited to see what you bring next time sir!
@@nevillebrackenreg4037 Looking forward to it! :D I hope Da Boyz gets a chance to krump ya too! ;)
Haha love how Nev throws up the forks for 6e
The forks?! Ha!
@@rogueelementgaming 0:30
Oh I knew what you meant. I just love the name! Well played.
Great battle report, love to see an old school dark elf army!
Throughout the game the repeater crossbows were at -1 to hit for multiple shots but I'm unable to find this rule in the DE army book or the 6th ed rulebook (I play dark elves do just want to make sure I'm not playing it wrong)
Thanks
The multiple shots rule is in the core rulebook. You have the option of 1 shot at normal odds, or can fire multiple shots at -1 to hit for each. Top of page 90.
Thanks so much guys!
A hill in the deplyoment zone is alright? I mean, armies always looked for good spots to fight - sometimes both even agreed-ish on places so.... I think it´s aölright! Just as Wood Elves "brign" a wood, the Dwarfs would look for spots like this?
Nice to see another fella, really glad people are coming to play their old, awesome armieas with you - for me to enjoy! :D
And I can se Da Boyz sneak up and clobber the remaining stuff.. ;)
I totally agree on the hill front. Just had a few comments from people getting sick of seeing hills in deployment zones. I get that it's a bit samey. But it just makes sense.
Greart video as usual! Glad to see new armies coming and new lists, that is definitely the way to go. Me being a High Elf supporter didn’t have any love lost on this fight, more units should have died XD, but… couldn’t the Gargoyles have wrapped around the crew to get more attacks in and kill them easier after the fiest round of combat?
Cheers mate! Yeah they definitely could have. We both just forgot. Woops!
@@rogueelementgaming you needn’t remind them dark elves ;). Looking for the next one 👍🏼
Im loving the dedication to classic minis i am stripping and repaiting that dark elf lord
Chill Wind is a great spell. Maybe not so powerful against Dwarfs with their toughness 4 and armour but stopping all the shooting is great.
Good job gents. Good to see something that isn't just a Pitched Battle as well.
Cheers mate! Definitely keen to try out some of the other scenarios!
@@rogueelementgaming why not try something out of War of The Beard considering your affinity for the vertically challenged? Though you'd have to drop your beloved cannon and Thunderers.
Great channel guys. Love it. Australian too!
Cheers mate! 🍻
Great battle! 👍
Regarding the Challenge - mounts do fight.
Page 99 - Fighting a Challenge
If characters are riding monsters or steeds which have their own attacks then these fight during the challenge as well as their rider.
Even though the target was killed before its initiative order came up?
@@rogueelementgaming Yep. Part of the Overkill rule. If you accept with a champion of weaker hero, you run the risk of them getting trounced, with the troops watching with horror as their champion is mangled.
Even though the character has lost their last wound, the challenger can still pile on up to the +5.
@@rogueelementgaming Yes, in the turn that they charged the mount gets to attack as well (chargers all strike first automatically - initiative doesn't come into it) and possibly add "Overkill" CR.
But don't attacks from charging units still play out in initiative order? I read in one of the annuals that there are no simultaneous attacks in 6th ed.
@@rogueelementgaming challenges work differently than normal rules for combat.
Under the "Overkill!" heading on page 99 - "Excess wounds caused when attacking characters are normally discounted... However, any excess wounds scored when fighting a challenge *do* count towards the combat result (up to a maximum of +5), even though they are not actually inflicted."
So challenge combat still goes in initiative order, chargers go first, ties would get rolled off. The difference is that challenges keep going after death.
An example scenario.
Imrik and his dragon charge a unit of orc boar boyz. The boar boyBoyz issues a challenge.
Imrik scores 4 wounds (killing the boss and scoring 3 overkill). The dragon attacks, scoring another 4 wounds (but excess wounds are capped at +5 for overkill).
The boss is dead (so can't attack), and the boar is calvary, and so is removed when the rider is killed (and therefore doesn't attack). So combat from the challenge is 1 wound and 5 overkill for a total of +6.
The overkill rule is to prevent a champion from being able to nullify the impact of a powerful warrior (or warrior and mount or monstrous mount) at the cost of one combat resolution for the single wound.
During 6th I played dark elves. Not once I won a battle, never, in years before 7th xD This battle represents me. Anyway, that was a fantastic army to see. Thanks
Yep, they are tough to get a win with, but i'll keep at it 😁
@@nevillebrackenreg4037 Just wanted to say what an amazing army you have! Absolutely beautiful!
@@grimdarkroast Thank you, its the favourite army in my collection, just beautiful figures
It shows how Dark elves were a difficult army to play as. In 6th edition I would take a unit of knights alongside 2 chariots as I found in my few 6th edition games that dark elves needed multiple hitting units
Dark elves worked better at 1000 points. Really, I was near to be undefeated at 1000 points. 2000 points... well I won maybe a couple of battle, mostly against Vampire but just because my opponent was so unlucky XD!
Even with average dice rolls that shooty list would not have been able to beat the dwarves. It cannot do enough before combat. Feint-flee, charge+flank. Win on basic combat res
U forgot the panic test in turn 2 for the knights
Gyrocopter man of the match distracting the bolt thrower crews. great batrep again mate.
That it was sir! Thanks for watching!
Dwarf war machine crews are WS4 so they'd be hitting the harpies on 3s. I don't remember if it ever mattered but you said 4s every combat round so far.
I hope your get your Dwarf-hands on a flame cannon at some point.. Something I enjoyed against, anything, back int he days hehe.. I had two of the 6th Ed versions but ever used one iirc... Liked that model though.
Are Quarrelers capable of shooting over units or do they have to be on high ground to see their targets?
Oh, and how does marching work? Movement bonus if there are no enemy units within X proximity?
All troops need line of sight to shoot, so being on a hill allows them to see/shoot over other troops. If there are enemy troops within 8 inches of a friendly unit at the start of your turn then they are "March blocked" and cannot march. Thanks for watching!
It was an entertaining game ^^ so unlucky dice rolls on the elf shooting, felt familiar :D Ok! How much movement bonus is there if you march? Double the movement?
This is the third game i've watched, keep up the good work! :)
Yep, double your base movement value. Same as charge range. Glad you're enjoying the vids mate!
another great battle, Nev had really bad dice but was good to see he still had a smile on his face, the way it should be......i dont care about the battlefield deployment.. historically generals would look for favourable terrain.... unless you got a plonker in charge that's were they'd set up............great stuff
Thanks chief! Glad you enjoyed it mate!
Great game, strong Dwarfs! I assume that general would rally with 11 as the unit has musician (gives +1ld for rally)? I agree that Corsairs got hacked down, even though the Dwarves stopped to other units. Pursue line for slayers seemed through camera so that they would have passed the witch elves...Did the witch elves have poisoned attacks (6 in hitting wounds automatically)? Man very bad luck with the cannon!
Thanks mate! No musician in the knight unit unfortunately. When the Slayer unit was turned to face the line of pursuit their corner collided with the Witch Elves. Not sure about poison attacks on the WE. Do they come standard with it? I swear to god, that damn cannon!
D'oh, yes I did forget the Witch Elves poison attacks, I need more practice in 6th ed. 😁
@@nevillebrackenreg4037 Yeah, you would have sliced and diced with poison that Giant slayer in Challenge! :D
There is a max of 10 for that test, even with musician.
@@gulpirri Ah, ok. Did not know that. Playing with Orcs and Goblins have not even though of that high ld's ;D
Thanks!
You bloody champion! Thank you so much! 🏆🤘
Mount would still strike the champion in the challenge but its dead.
Roguh for the Panzees but a nice battle to watch, I hope that dude is back at some point, seems like a nice guy. And i did not realize at first that the Cold Ones were the older ones. I like those.
More magic next time maybe, or that doesn´t help? Whatever, great game!
I will be back, I have a few armies to throw at 'stos, so it might be fun to try and break the famous dwarf magic resistance
@@nevillebrackenreg4037 Nice to hear! :D Looking forward to your other stuff! And when you meet his boyz.. ;)
Those dice... :O Nev is a true sportsman!
Yeah dice just killed me in this game, will have to bring a new set of dice next game
So brutal right!
@@nevillebrackenreg4037 that, and some kind of anti-aircraft gun! haha
nice skullz T-shirt
Hey. I know that it was probably asked thousand times but why 6th edition instead of 8th? Just personal taste? I'm asking cause I'm currently starting dwarf army and was wondering what edition should I aim for.
Couple of reasons mate. 6th Ed was the last edition I played before hanging up the hobby hat for a while. When I started playing war games again I still had all my 6th ed stuff so thought I'd just play that for a bit. Then when I started this channel I saw that there wasn't a whole lot of 6th ed stuff out there and thought I could fill a niche. It is also just my favourite edition so far, though it's not perfect bt any means.
Witches should have charged the gyrocopther on turn 1, they are frenzied and it was in line of sight and within charging distance (it was 8" away for march blocking and their charge range is 10")
They would have been charging over very difficult terrain which would have quarted their movement so weren't in range.
@@rogueelementgaming They also have to march at full speed to the closest target.
Scott you’ve got the coolest beard!
Thanks mate! But it's Stos, not Scott 😜
the dice were really bad for the dark elves ... but we all know those games.
Even if that's how you deal with mounts in challenges, why would they be lost and not thrown on the unit instead?
Yeah, I got this wrong. Mounts attacks just get put into the challenge. Maul that corpse!
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IIRC...witch elves have poisoned attacks...6s are autowound
What color do you use in the dwarfs skin? I love this tanned tone
Cheers mate! I use bugmans glow with some small highlights of cadian flesh.
@@rogueelementgaming excellent!
KHAZUKAN KAZAKIT-HAAAAA!!!! :D
Turn 2. Why did u go for the Boltenhagen thrower. 1 Crew left means he cannot shoot u this round. So just kill spme crosbowmen
@MrBenedictus25 as the the Dark Elf Bolt Thrower is fielded with a team of 2 crew members, there is no penalty for the loss of one; the "shooting every other turn" penalty only applies to Bolt Throwers requiring crews of 3+ (pg. 125, loss of crew)
In that challenge - I think the Cold One attacks with his rider, as they charged? I doesn´t matter here, yet - so it gets to attack?
Pretty sure you don´t have tto "run" the distance to catch that fleeing unit also. You just have tor oll higher.
Cool, cheers for weighing in on these bud!
Boltthrower panic test? Turn 1
@MrBenedictus25 "War machines do not need to test if they lose one or more of their crew" (pg.80, Psychology Tests)
Yeah a gyrocopter
Dark elf 6e book is insanely unforgiving. Probably the most jack of all trades book, master of none. This list bought too many toys and ended up not being good at anything. Not that it's easy for anyone to write a good dark elf list.
As a dark elves player I just don't understand why he had everything 4 wide it should have been 5 also And he didn't even bring 4 Bolt Thrower It was an auto win for the dwarf such a waste of the rare slot
Nev was just bringing what he enjoys mate. Thanks for watching!
@warhammer1009 what benefit would the Dark Elf Player have fielding 5 vs 4?
Better than Netflix ⚔️ Another great battle report loved it 🤩
The witch elves have poisoned attacks so I think in the challenge the hag should have inflicted 2 wounds but I don’t think it would have prevent a clear dwarves victory 🪓
Thanks mate! Stoked you enjoyed it! Do Witch Elves come standard with poison?
@@rogueelementgaming They do. As a Dark Elf player who plays against Dwarfs a lot, it's always fun to match them against Slayers (at least as long as the Witch Elves charge).