Making Warhammer Terrain like it's 1996
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 25. 03. 2023
- Making Warhammer Terrain like it's 1996. Second Edition Warhammer 40,000 (40k) was at it's prime, and Goblin Green flock ruled the wargaming industry. I attempt to build a cheap modular terrain table, usable for any gaming system, like we did in the "olden days". Retro, Nostalgic... classic
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Would you like to see more "Oldhammer" stuff? Let me know!
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Brings back memories alright
Yes. Did you provide a template for the terrain? It's not in the description.
Oh yes...
@waynegoddard4065 I didn't, didn't think of that. It's all in the Red Terrain book. I'm sure you can find it online. đ
The hobby shame of the 90s. The terrain turned out to be amazing. The toothpick cactus are very nostalgic.
I feel like the modern award they should hand out for terrain crafting should be a golden cactus in this style.
Oh I look looking at the terrain from my 3rd edition rule book when I was a kid
Hobby shame?
I actually like the shape. Very sinister, alien looking. I wonder how you can add a modern twist to it.
Came here to post this. That toothpick cactus is etched into my brain from the first time I saw the old school warhammer books as a kid. Seeing a picture of it again makes me indescribably happy.
I think it's a shame that we've pretty much lost this aspect of the hobby. Most hobbyists will go to modern plastic or MDF terrain. I use to love trying to make scratch built terrain using bits of rubbish from around the house.
nothing stopping you nowadays to do it again. hell if you have a 3d printer you can even take "trash" terrain to the next level using custom greeblies to add to the terrain
@@luclin92 The point is that it's not very common in the hobby as a whole anymore.
It's not promoted because there's no profit in it. It was only promoted when people weren't willing to spend so much money on a plastic hobby. As always, optimisation (this time for cash) ruins a hobby.
I dunno, there's a bunch of crafting channels like this one, Zorpazorp, Wyloch, Black Magic Craft, DMs Craft and all the rest. I agree, there's a tendancy toward "official" terrain sets, but I think there's still plenty doing it the old way.
Combination of FDM printing, trash and modern day stuff allows this style of stuff with even more options, I been doing some things like printing bits of terrain and greeblies with a printer and using em to build various things, for example foam houses can become quite glorious with such a style, but even just foam, bits of trash and sand can do it.
I LOVE all these Retro Hammer videos, i think theres a big chunk of the community that has gotten bored, exhausted, and tired trying to keep up with the constant new rules, codexes, and models, and meta changes every 3 months, and i think a big chunk of the hobby secretly wants to go back to Old 40k and just play and hobby that, back to simpler times
Would that I could upvote more than once.
Ahhh!!!!!! The good old days of FloorHammer and not caring if you had painted models because they were shiny metal and looked cool.
Floorhammer was the way. Went nicely with the cardboard ork dreadnought.
Heresy all unpainted models are heresy
@@BroadswordWargaming And when you needed a second desk or even more floorspace for all the equipment, character and vehicle cards.
You guys had models? ;) Grew up at the the same time playing with entire cardboard armies and drooling over 'eavy metal photos of all the cool Eldar vehicles that I could never afford as a kid :D
@@derguator3732 I shoplifter my first models. Metal Chaos Terminators. Coolest things ever. (The shame)
1993-1999 was my most fanatic for the hobby. Back when Tyranid Warriors had buck teeth and Necrons were a two-page spread in White Dwarf. This video REALLY brought me back. Wow.
Man I remember when Necrons first came out in White Dwarf. There had been all those little hints and teasers leading up to it, like "the things in the pyramids" from Gorkamorka and all that. I think Sisters came out around the same time, and had a similarly small range of models at first. Just the regular sisters and the seraphim, and making dominions / retributors / celestians was just a matter of weapon loadout and paint schemes?
I'm a firm believer in there being room in the hobby for both today's "Ultra HD" terrain and this old school goofy fun stuff. I honestly love these, and I'll probably try to make some for my own terrain collection at some point.
Theres a special charm to this type of terrain that I love. Part of it is nostalgia. But part is accessibility. These days we see so many tools and techniques used to make gorgeous results that we forget at someone point you started with literally nothing. A proxxon and airbrush are cheaper than ever but they still cost money. And there was a time when we weren't inundated with such polished results and only wanted utility. A step up from books and scrutinizing pictures trying to figure out what things they were made of that we were familiar with. Did I know what pink foam was? Hell no. But I had a fiver and knew where to get free cans and paper. Some craft paint and a few bits from the pantry and bobs your uncle. To me that's why I'll never truly love the modern crispness we have, nothing will never measure up to my imagination and the satisfaction from just not knowing any better.
When I was first starting out I used to raid the bin of a local picture framing shop for their foam card off cuts to make my terrain.
I'd use anything I could scavenge or find to make stuff as cheap as possible.
These days I'd just print the parts I want at home.
True creativity - it will never die out! Building terrain is an amazing hobby in itself.
Made my first hills out of layers of cardboard because it was all I had. Packaging for buildings, the 2e boxed set cardboard ruins, and felt for marshes and rivers.
Iâm in the middle of making some desert sandstone/sedimentary rock pillars out of cardboard, tissue paper, glue, paint etc right now actually! You can get them really, really nice with a little experimentation, and itâs still worth doing imho.
Nigel Stillman was my absolute hobby hero back then. Jervis Johnson, Andy Chambers, Rick Priestley and later Paul Sawyer too, but Nigel first among equals - between the terrain and the enthusiasm for big units of ordinary troops he was the man. đ
Dominic, no kidding! Those guys are awesome forefathers of 40K. I would love to meet those guys, especially Fat Bloke, he killed he was so funny. â€ïžđ
Couldn't agree more :-) I started making terrain for my old 1/32 Airfix plastic toy soldiers after reading Stan Catchpole's articles in the old model magazines I read in the 1970's, then went on to find Shepard Payne, then got into White Dwarf, and just kept going from there :-) Those days, there wasn't any 3D printing or mass market products, just what you could find in the kitchen bin, or in the fields where we played with our to y soldiers :-D I STILL make terrain from trash, so seeing this video has brought me so much joy, and made my day so much brighter. Thank you so much for making an old modeller happier than he already was :-D
I loved Wayne England. I had a huge dwarf army inspired and painted in the style of Wayne's dwarves.
I can actually remember seeing this stuff in White Dwarf, pretty sure GW had a habit of collating White Dwarf articles and publishing them as books back then. It really was Blue Peter meets 40K for making terrain back then.
Excellent video.
God even the photos are so nostalgic. Seeing them now I very much remember looking over that tower and the little orc house photos as a kid. This is great.
This takes me back! The waiting for the bus and using my coat to hide my nerdy shame really hit me in the nostalgia bone! I always wanted (and still do) to build the crashed space ship at the end of the book. One dayâŠ
Seeing the finished board reminded me of old minecraft worlds funnily enough. It has that simplicity to it, where even if not all the terrain isnt the most scenic or detailed it could be, thats part of what makes it so special. Its not just that its nostalgic because its old, its nostalgic because it gets you in the headspace of a child, seeing soda cans as silos and carpets as wheat fields. It all looks great, awesome video!
Bingo. You nailed it. Minecraft is an artificial simulation of exactly this, yes. Careful! You are "this" close to exiting the matrix.
Outstanding! You did that old book justice. Wish I still had my copy of it, I used to love flipping through those pages and making my own terrain as a kid.
Thank you so much! I'm sure you can find it online. Am I allowed to download images form it to share for people? I'll look into it!
Damn .. this is so cool!
In all seiousness: when you take a look at today's magazines or rulebooks you see so many awesome THINGS (buildings, rocks, paveways, lanterns, hand crafted trees and what else) and they all basically scream "you will have to dump a heapload of money into this hobby". But THIS is EXACTLY why guys like you and me came into the hobby in the first place: Accessibility. Crafting your terrain was presented dead simple (pile some books, cover them with a blanket... or not...) on purpose: to get people into the hobby.
In my opinion, the wargaming community needs more tutorials like this one, if only to make the hobby more accessible to more people who would get scared away by today's standards ..
Great job!
I loved that old book! One of my earliest hobby memories was using pretty much an entire pot of Boltgun Metal painting a Pringles can with a tiny brush, on a tiny cardboard base that did nothing to alleviate how top heavy and flimsy it was.
I remember seeing these books and pictures as a kid in the 90âs and dreaming of playing games on these setups. Itâs hilarious how daggy they look now đ. You did a great job of replicating the same look and feel however. It would be cool to see a battle report on this table using the old rule sets with some reflections on how much the game has changed since then.
A fun reason to get into 2nd Edition is Tyranids. They didn't get tactic cards, their missions were hard and they almost always had to go second, but the random events table did a very thematic job of replicating the madness and attrition caused by a Tyranid attack.
Love it. This is everything me and my cousin dreamt about when we were hand painting shoe boxes and empty coke cans hoping it would eventually look as good as the GW photos⊠It never didâŠ
When I see the beautiful old school DIY style terrain and boards, it really brought back some of the excitement from back then. I remember the book, and loved to make stuff. Now everything needs to be a flippin diorama piece these days. Itâs almost like the game itself was the most important thing back then.
I loved this, makes the whole hobby thing so accessible. All those excellent looking cityscapes and ruins people make nowadays are great, but they seems like a step to far when you've already blown so much money on minis and paint. This is that happy "good enough" stuff that gets you playing on something other than a flat surface. I love it.
That was very nostalgic. The big difference for us is that flock was a luxury. We played on table painted green and used sand painted green instead of flock. Later on we managed tho to get a gaming mat so we increase the use of flock.
This is such good timing for me, working on a ruined city of Dale atm.
Lol old school.
I still make stuff like this for my housemates D&D groups.
Have boxes and bags of "useful" items still lol.
Make minies too with good old Miliput which I discovered back at school in 86 to 92 lol
I remeber making my own grass out of sawdust I picked up from my dad's workshop, sifting it down to get it as fine and clean as possible, put it all inside a plastic bag and painting it with a can of green spray.
What a blast from the past. I still have a copy of that book in the bookshelf, is always fun to look back through it for a snapshot of the hobby from days gone.
Definitely here for all of this. Love the look of this scenery, thereâs something really great about it that all the plastic GW scenery just kind of canât match.
Loved that terrain how to book. Really takes me back
The alien cacti are my favourites. So nostalgic and easy to make too!
We built dozens of them, they just looked so cool to us back then. We wanted to create a "jungle death world", lol
I was 14 in 96! So I got the nostalgia feels on this video. Great video defiantly need more 90's goodness! Got to love the floorhammer. My first game when getting back into the hobby was on the floor at a mates. It was super windy that day and hobby venue we were going to go to was closed.
Man this takes me back! 1996 is exactly when I started playing!
I recently found a box of unused drop ceiling tiles in my storeroom, I don't have a drop ceiling nor does anyone in my family, so I've taken to breaking them up into irregular roundish shapes and I'm currently turning them into hills for wargames with PVA glue, sand and railroad flock. Large corks lined up on the edges of the hills become concrete walls and yes, I'm even making the alien cactus plants from foam balls and tooth picks, someone *will* want these for the nostalgia of it all.
â€â€â€ everything you did there, I did too as a child... Aaaah memories. Nobody to play with, just me building stuff I saw in white dwarf in the attic of my parents house.
My dad used to have model railways so I had plenty of materials.
Very very cool, getting some serious nostalgia vibes here - great work!
Nostalgia in full overdrive with those cacti, corner ruins and baked bean tin silos.
There's still something quaint, but fun and that fires the imagination with these old-school style pieces of terrain.
Brings back so many memories of day long battles with my friends.
I've bought some polystyrene balls too and plan on making spiky cacti and adobe Ork huts sometime.
Thanks for the smiles this evening, carry on being awesome and take care ;)
This is some of the stuff I remember seeing either on a table or on a shelf at a local store I use to spend my Friday nights playing magic the gathering in the esrly 2000s. Even then I thinm GW hadn't really gotten into fully supplying terrain so much was hand crafted.
Still wish id had stores even closer to me in my section of the USA that sold warhammer during the 90s. It wasn't until I was 19 or 20 when I even saw it and at the time didn't have interest in it. Wishing I did now lol.
What an excellent video. Clear, and beautiful imagery. + articulate, confident, and concise narration + nostalgic time period = banger.
Ah thanks man, appreciate it! Honestly, it was an actual joy looking at all the old stuff. Next up, painting and playing! đ
How I remember this. I even still have the same sort of carry case you use. Got my Rogue Trader books, my 2nd Ed Codexes, the Wargaming Terrain book etc too
Started back in 1994, though "technically" 1993 with Space Hulk on the Amiga (which I still have)
This was pure nostalgia.
Showing up to a battle back in the 90s with good terrain pieces used to draw massive crowds to your table. One of my favourite aspects of WFB was setting up a beautiful looking battlefield. Hedges made from steel wire, river sections carved from the bits of polystyrene left over from the new washing machine packaging, a dwarf mine made out of balls of newspaper and plaster of paris, siege towers made from corn flakes boxes with 40k round base wheels clad in 'corn flake planks'..... Man, I used to love the DIY terrain aspect of it.
EDIT: I just remembered the centerpiece terrain I made back then, a ruined temple made from all sorts of things found in the bin. :D
This really took me back. My dad used to make terrain for us and built a bunker out of an ice cream container and a few bits of foam. It's still one of the best pieces of terrain I've ever owned.
I did the exact same thing with my jacket to hide my carry case from the local Kev's!
Great vid.
I remember first time I learned about foam cutters, I was using serrated cheap knives to cut white packing foam, isolation in my country was made with fiberglass mats back then (like 97 or so), I was handy but still a kid so it happened what you would expect, I cut myself, not badly but we went to the ER, I told the doctor what happened and he, probably a plastic model maker or something, told my mother and I 'there are tools to cut that, it's like a scroll saw but with a wire that gets hot. I wanted one for a long time but never found one untill years later.
Ooft. Warhammer hospital trips. Glad you made it through!
I started my GW journey in the early 90's. Still could catch older stuff now and then and I always appreciated it. :)
This brings back lovely memories of 2nd Edition. I even recall some of the pictures from that terrain building book.
Funny sidenote: Those sturdy Pringles cans recommended for building silos or Necromunda terrain were nowhere to be found in Germany back then, so we always wondered how to get our hands on them for the projects.
This actually really got me in the feels! Brought me back to my teenage years. Was roleplaying (Conan: an age undreamed of) last night with 2 friends that I originally got into warhammer with 33 years ago! They'll love this!â€
A loo roll painted bright yellow and flimsily glued to an upturned ice-cream tub is the Platonic ideal of a Space Ork watchtower and nobody will tell me different.
What a nostalgia trip. Sealing the cardboard with PVA before priming stops it absorbing the paint and fraying. Brilliant :o)
There is nothing more 2nd edition to me than the Ork Rokkit. Fond memories of my friend playing Orks and having a bunch of single use items that could either decimate my army or spectacularly blow up his side of the board instead. This was pure nostalgia and thanks for making the video.
When describing your Robin themes floor mat, The way you said "murder the bird" made me think of Rik Mayall in Young Ones.
Haha. I get compared to Rik Mayall a lot.
We are honestly in the greatest time ever for wargaming terrain. By combining old skills like these with 3D printing the sad tables of the past can be replaced by amazing terrain sets. Great time to be a wargamer.
I totally agree!
This looks way better than modern day try hard terrain. We are playing with toy soldiers and throwing dice. Making the terrain fun is very fitting!
I started on this hobby in 97' and you have brought me so many memories with this excellent video!! More of this? Hell yes!
We are the same age, and I started the hobby just a few years after you did. Thank you for this moment of nostalgia!
Great stuff 2ed has all the feels, sad I'm so old now! Now for car repair mesh fences and polystyrene rocks!
Haha. It has reminded me how old I now am..
Loved this video, I really enjoy using household items to make great landscapes. So yes please more of these. Would love to see some fantasy terrain created. Thanks
Thank you! Will do!
Hiding my minis in a gym bag when going around downtown, thootpick cactus and cardboard bunkers.
Ah, the 90s shame!
Haha. It was the way.
I was enthralled by that cacti terrain as a kid. It's such a great piece of terrain for kids new to warhammer to build.
Seeing this style of terrain again makes me think of a well manicured English manor garden that was so nice that the orks blew up the buildings without stepping on the grass or singing the alien security hedges.
I got into the hobby in 1996 myself, and yeah, the terrain was the part I immediately gravitated too. I even got that same How to Make Wargames Terrain book. Fortunately, my father had a wood and metalworking studio (he was a professional prop maker and prop designer) so I had access to a lot of materials and tools other people didn't. For example, I'd use his jigsaw to cut out thinner pieces of plywood for basing. Didn't have to worry about that warping so much.
I remember well the public anxiety of going outside with visible warhammer! My dads old toolbox was a handy disguise and troop transport.
Haha. Hobby shame!
Wow thatâs a nostalgia hit. Those red spiked cactus were in every 40K battle report in white dwarf for years.
You need some rock spires though - would really finish off the look, and can be used for both fantasy and 40k
This is so cool, proper nostalgia feels. Gotta get my passport sorted and get over there with my Preatorians, would love to battle over that old school terrain.
Yes please! You're more than welcome.
Loved this video. The techniques might not be the best we can do now, but a great demonstration that you can make working terrain out of basic materials. Any table set up with this stuff is leagues ahead of a kitchen table with a printed neoprene mat.
What nostalgia!! Iâd love to see you do this same board with your more modern techniques as well - for science!
Cool idea! I could definitely make alot of these things look better with a few extra (still cheap) products :) I do have some plans if this video does alright :)
+1 to that idea :) Modern home-made scenery video!
There was a large circular raised landing pad (think sweet tin) that appeared in lots of second ed glamour shots and battle reports. It also featured in the 3rd ed rulebook as a holdover.
It features a cargo lift on one side, secondary landing pad and doors on the other, detailed walls around the outside and radial banding/stencilling on the landing surface.
I can provide you with page numbers if you are interested, it would be a very fun project and would be cool to see a modern spin on it.
That how to make wargaming terrain book is one of the best products they have ever produced. Excellent value for money, and as you've shown still good today.
Yah, un-ironically we still use the deathball cacti.
They are not the same ones I made in 96, the originals were lost in A flood in 2013.
But they were the second bits of terrain built when we started rebuilding of course, MDF bases was reallythe only change.
If you put the cardboard corrugations at 90 degrees from the previous layer it helps control the warping, for anyone wanting to use cardboard rebates of make cardboard hills.
I made a corner ruin inspired by that picture too!! It turned out great, I remember being so proud.
This is some awesome classic stuff.
I'd like to see a follow up vid where you make the same items again, but with techniques you would use now.
Oh man. What a delightful trip down memory lane. I not only still have this book but still have some of the terrain I made with it, and have been trying to figure out what I can throw away and what I should keep because they have so many memories attached but are also...well, made by a 12 year old đ . Now I'm considering just making a whole new table of retro stuff to match. Thanks, you jerk đ
I-I wasn't the only one who played floorhammer using terrain books with my brother back in '97?
Nice vid, those red spine alien plants were my fave terrain pieces back in the day, still are.
Wow, this really brings back memories of the boards I started with. Awesome job with this!
I got into the hobby lately and found the blue book of GW Wargaming terrain & it still holds up with a bunch of great information.
I got some foam balls recently to make a few of these plus trying to make a foam version of the crashed Starbug. If I remember right when the cardboard is warped, you can put PVA on the bottom then dry for a day to undo the warping.
Learning about MDF was a game changer for me back in the day. Especially when there were plenty of stores selling diy coasters and placemats made from it.
Could easily be cut into shape with a Stanley knife and a little patience and not subject to warping like cardboard. Still my go-to for scatter terrain bases these days.
Nostalgic as. Terrain websites like hive cons, and terragennesis didn't show up in the public eye until 98-99 and these books and magazine articles were all we had until then. Thanks for the trip down memory lane!
I remember chatting with a friend who said that he found dripping poly cement onto polystyrene melted it, and thus would look like cool plasma damage. This was before Tau.
Yeah, melting the foam can give a cool alien vibe too! It all works :)
This is honestly inspiring me to do some terrain modeling. More hills would be rad, my current terrain is flatter than the plains of Ostrobotnia.
I just fell in love with your channel. I am building a 90s method church and pub with scrap card, matches and wood splints. I think gamers today would love this.
Literally pulled that a exact book out of the attic last week! Feels like some cool craft projects to get the kids involved with
This was a wonderful trip down memory lane from when I first got into tabletop gaming as well. Thank you for taking me back to my teens for a moment. I do think, every once in a while it would be fun to play on a table like this.
I absolutely love this! Absolutely do more 2nd edition stuff!
This video does not make me feel at all old :) The terrain turned out great! 2nd edition 40k is still my favorite.
I was running a game shop in Saskatoon Saskatchewan when Rogue Trader Came out, I remember us trying to piece together terrain and miniatures to play a few games. would love to see more Oldhammer content.
Just found you dude! holy cow I know this is the place for me! I was there, that was my obssesion! still at it and knocking on fifty! I salute you and the glorious nostalgia! keep it up my friend.
Brings me back to my childhood. Where everything become potential terrain and scenery.
Ah oldhammer, brings me back to playing on the floor with my brother and note cards, since we couldn't afford models. Not that I really understood the rules that much, but older editions hold so much nostalgia for me...
When I was younger and needed sand, I would just go to the street curb and grab a bunch of the sand that accumulates there. Everything was definitely made from old cardboard or the cardboard that canned drinks came in, that was my favorite.
Haha I had that red terrain book. Remember my dad making an awesome hill with plaster of paris, flock and balsa wood, good times!
Closed my eyes and was taken back to a happy time of my teenage years! I had that book (and the miniature painting book of the same time) and made a few pieces of wibbly wobbly terrain with it's help! đ
Also a time when you looked at Golden Demon entries and thought "I could give that a run for it's money" đ€Ł
Oh, and More 2nd Edition stuff please!
I have that book still and it's a real gem. It's a shame GW made a policy of "No terrain that can't be bought from us" about ten years ago, because creative boards died a horrible death after that.
I've been out of the hobby a while, so... What?! Really? Policy on whom? They can't control what you game on at home, surely? Is it literally in the rulebooks these days or something? đ€Ż
I knew they shat all over fan made animations so I shouldn't be surprised, but you said this happened 10 years ago? Surely GW don't sell every terrain piece possible?
As a 3rd edition veteran, its great to hear someone from 2nd, you don't hear anything about it, but it was so good.
I still have my copy of How To Make Wargames Terrain. Loved that book but Iâm so glad we now have CZcams instead of 2-3 how-to images :)
Although my hobby shame was D&D and Hero Quest, the shame was real all the same. Love when GW actually wanted you to build your own stuff and hobby. I'm down to see more of this!
It was really different back in the day, I still have the PDF files for the Rohan watchtower, urban gothic ruins for wh40k and high elven pilons, they were in their web until they renewed and deleted all the diy stuff
I would have loved this video when I was a teenager back in the 90s. If I got back into war gaming and terrain making, this is exactly how Iâd do it because 90s GW is the best GW.
That was my era. I had that terrain book and made some of the items.
I still have some of those tooth pick cactuses knocking about somewhere. They've not seen a tabletop in about 25 years. Cool vid Broadsword đ
Great video Olly. So much nostalgia and so many memories. Thank you!
The Wargames Terrain book is a real treasure trove. I genuinely think the knowledge found there was foundational for much of modern terrain crafting.
And naturally, it's a product that would never be made today. Modern GW can't have people making their OWN terrain. Why would they then buy GW's overpriced plastic kits?
Oh good the memories, the nostalgia looking at those buildings and hils, really nicely done too looks exactly like the real deal
When applying modpodge or PVA mixed with filler, I'll suggest stippling the coating on. This removes brush marks and adds some nice random texture. A house painting brush from the Pound Shop is ideal for this.
The finished board looks great; ideal for some 2nd Ed battle reports.
Good idea. I did end up with brush strokes in the Modge Podge (not that theyre noticable when flocked), so i'll remember that for next time. Definitely going to paint some second edition, then film, a game! :)
@@BroadswordWargaming I'm looking forward to some more 2nd Ed contact; the rules are so weird and wacky. I've watch a few games on Guerrilla Miniature Games and Second Edition Wargaming; who had several games in which Adeptus Arbites got repeatedly curb-stomped by Chaos Cultists and their daemon buddies đ
Ahhhh. Nostalgia. Thinking about my first visit at games workshop store. Seeing my first Orks and at that time an impressive mordheim board.