Grand Admiral Thrawn - Everything You NEED to Know Before Watching Ahsoka
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- čas přidán 16. 08. 2023
- Grand Admiral Thrawn will soon be making his live action Star Wars debut! Here is everything you need to know about his story before watching Ahsoka as seen in Star Wars Rebels, and the books by the character's creator, Timothy Zahn.
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"I've found that what most people call luck is often little more than raw talent combined with the ability to make the most of opportunities. Learn about art, Captain,” Thrawn said, his voice almost dreamy. “When you understand a species' art, you understand that species."
Heir to the Empire?
@@aaronmichael6792Rebels
Yeah, when he's talking to Captain Paelleon.
The actor they chose to play Thrawn is so…soft-looking. He has a weak chin and no cheekbones. This is not my Grand Admiral Thrawn. I always imagined he’d be perfectly trim, perfectly proportioned-the very ideal of an officer of the Imperial Navy-, with a voice that unrolled like silk fibre cut with incredible precision by a scalpel of Chrome-Vanadium stainless steel. So cool as to be almost hypnotic-in fact understated, as if it is unnecessary to imbue it with any threatening qualities….as if the threat is a part of his nature that only appears once all other options are exhausted and by then it is far too late.
As a similarly hard-edged, highly-disciplined intellectual (with power fantasies), I was INSTANTLY a fan Of Grand Admiral Thrawn. I don’t recall exactly the year Timothy Zahn’s *Heir To the Empire* hit the shelves of nearby book shop, but I know that I was somewhere between 9 and 11 years old and I suddenly had a new favourite Star Wars character. This is so typical of 2020s Disney-literally softening th edges of everyone and everything, erasing all the hard lines and sharp angles, to the point that we’re now stuck with a Grand Admiral Thrawn what looks like he’s made of marshmallow.
Nice thumbnail. You have good taste 😎
Thrawn is something you NEED in your Star Wars life. He is not a mere want.
Also live action Thrawn could potentially mean live action TIE Defenders. As a ship junkie I need it so bad.
Having gotten to Flight of the Defender in my rewatch, yeah, I want to see at least one of those in live action. In fact, it would be interesting to see more of the threat they pose, and by extension the threat they _would_ have posed to the Rebellion.
Defenders have hyperdrives, shielding, warhead launchers, 4 laser cannons, 2 ion cannons and a possible tractor beam weapon…
Yeah the space battles in this series are going to be insane
This is a great way to phrase it in my opinion. Thrawn is necessary to the Star Wars fan who wants to spend their life loving this franchise. The Empire is, and always should be, fairly incompetent on a mass-scale. In shows like Andor we see how severe of a threat they can be when their galactic oppression is working to its fullest, but for the majority of its history and across a majority of the galaxy, the Empire had buffoons and apathetic fools who only got their positions through nepotism as their leaders.
Thrawn is the antithesis of that. He is the threat the Empire could have truly posed. He is, in canon at least, the one man who very nearly destroyed the Rebel Alliance before it was ever even a true alliance. He is the cold, terrifying, uncaring boot that crushes your planet to make room for 10 other planets to be more prosperous. Thrawn has always been the distillation and embodiment and manifestation of the true might of the Empire in my opinion, and that's *needed* for a Star Wars fan to truly take the Empire seriously once you can kinda start seeing how screwed they were from the get-go.
Sorry for a waffling, half-finished rant about Thrawn. I just think you hit the nail on the head, and since he's my favourite character in Star Wars I take any opportunity to talk about him at length.
To defeat an enemy you must know them. Not simply their battle tactics, but their history, philosophy, art.
"I do not require glory, only results for my Emperor."
I'm putting this here on record.
I believe we will see the live action debut for Grand Admiral Rae Sloane in the upcoming series, played by Dionne Audain. The same actress that voiced her in Squadrons.
I hope we get to see a Hera and Thrawn "We meet again..." scene.
I as well I always senced a form of rivalry between Hera and thrawn
With Ahsoka and Sabine handling all the action scenes, Hera is the perfect POV character to navigate the bigger picture, strategic moves against Thrawn. (Having had personal experience at matching wits against Thrawn, and surviving Thrawn)
On the other hand, I worry about Hera’s chances, especially if the New Republic is eager to dismiss Thrawn’s return as a myth and get back to demilitarization.
@@topnotchshinobi Hera has always been in over her head especially when going against thrawn and thrawn knows this so her chances are slim
I think Thrawn is maybe the most intelligent Star Wars villain out there.
*Not* anymore... he's now known as a complete buffoon to an Army of Ashoka viewers. I didn't know much about Thrawn and after watching him on Ashoka... he's a clown.
Thrawn is quite possibly the only star wars villain that I have any level of respect for, simply because he doesn't just blindly use force against all his enemy's, but he takes the time to understand them so that he can create better strategies to defeat them. Still a total villain, though.
What a shame that Palpatine’s regime didn’t fully appreciate and make use of Thrawn’s potential! Hopefully now, however, Thrawn has full control over the direction of the Imperial Remnant’s agenda going forward! (Up until the First Order/Sith Eternal inevitably backstab Thrawn)
😮 Thrawn Strikes Back.
I pray he's not given the Gideon treatment.
In the Heir of the Empire-movie, yes.
Been looking forward to seeing Thrawn in live action for a long time now. Can't wait!
One of the best villains in the entire saga, very excited to finally see him in live action
The Anakin stuff was worth mentioning here because I wonder if Thrawn will reference this if he ever encounters Ahsoka, like "I knew your old master" to mess with her or something like that.
It took over thirty years for thrawn to make an appearance in live-action but better late than never.
Thrawn's definitely one of those "hero in his own eyes" kind of characters. I am certainly looking forward to whether/how the show handles the question of morality in having to choose between saving one group of people over another. I hope the show leans into the nuance.
even with a brother who's an accomplished actor, it doesn't really feel like anyone else could've portrayed this role quite as well so i think it makes sense to just have him reprise it
His Ahsoka return was honestly epic.
Gonna have to "umm-actually" you here. The Rebellion utterly failed at destroying the fuel depot. That was 100% Governor Pryce's fault.
I read the Thrawn trilogy by Timothy Zahn, I’m onto the other trilogy ‘Acendancy’ and have all 3 they are very good
Also, out of all the imperials from tarkin Gideon etc they all feared grand, Admiral Thrawn, just like Vader and emperor Palpatine
Love that you covered the ascendancy stuff, glad more people know about it
my only concern at this point is that dave forgets about the grysk war............
Given his dismissive attitude towards other people's work in books and comics over the years, I wouldn't be surprised if he willingly ignores it
I'm still having a hard time understanding why canon Thrawn would want to wrest control of the Imperial remnant and go AGAINST the New Republic. The reasoning behind him joining the Empire in the first place was to ingratiate himself (and by extension, his civilization) in the minds of Palpatine/the established elite in lesser-space, to both ensure that Palpatine's expansionist agenda wouldn't go against the Chiss AND to have allies for the inevitable incursion of the Grysk into lesser-space. Now that the Galactic Civil War is over and the Empire lost, why would he take control of a withering Imperial remnant AGAINST the new galactic establishment?
I really hope he isn't played as a straight villain who just wants conquest/power; it wouldn't feel consistent with how Zahn has characterized him in this canon and make him WAY less interesting IMHO
Timothy Zahn has explained that Thrawn views the New Republic as weak and wants to restore the Empire as it has a much stronger form of government, saw the chaos of the Clone Wars and saw the New Republic going down that same route, and wanted to prevent that.
@@Alex88576 It still seems weird to me if your goal is "get the broader galaxy ready to defend itself against the Grysk" your chosen course of action is "take control of the remnants of a fascist government's military that just lost a war and isn't viewed favorably by the new establishment," even IF that establishment is demilitarizing. I guess maybe they could play into the fact that canon Thrawn doesn't have a very high political acumen and only sees things through the eyes of a warrior?
@@Alex88576The Grysk are out there somewhere and Thrawn is participating in a war against the new republic? That doesn't make sense.
@@Ryan_HechtThrawn spent the entire Ascendancy novel trilogy defying the wishes of his “squabbling oligarchic superiors in Chiss Parliament”, so I wouldn’t put it past Thrawn to view the New Republic in the exact same lens. (Thus, motivating him to remake the galaxy’s political structure to serve his military junta vision of galactic survival)
@@Alex88576”Multiple species, with multiple viewpoints and racial philosophies, simply cannot hold power together for long. The dominant voice must certainly be wise enough to adopt ideas and methods from its allies and member peoples. But there must be a dominant voice, or there is only chaos. In this part of the galaxy, that voice is the Empire.”
Yeah, there’s no room for democracy in Thrawn’s idealized “new world order” for the galaxy. 😂
“Cool motive, still murder”. Thrawn is very much a villain. Can’t wait to see Lare return to the character!
You obviously never read the canon books
I would also like to point out that its possible that Thrawn and Brendol Hux are working together on the First Order in "Ahsoka." Brendol Hux's admiration for the clone troopers and his desire to make the Empire's ground troops as capable as possible is pretty similar to what Thrawn was trying to do with the TIE Defender. To back that up, Pellaeon also seemed pretty chummy with Brendol when they tried to take Moff Gideon down a peg regarding the Mandalorians in front of everyone else.
Strong rec for DarthAngelus' "Heir to the Empire" fan video. It's brilliantly done, on a shoestring budget.
I personally don't read Thrawn as evil, he's Machiavellian, a general, a strategist, and takes out entire battlefleets to keep his direction and intentions secret. That's ruthless, not evil. More so because there's an even bigger threat looming.
Agreed. Also, I second the recommendation for DarthAngelus’s film. The second half is meant to be completed this year if on schedule! I don’t think I’ve ever been more excited for something Star Wars-related…and I’m 40. I saw the prequels in the cinema.
Great video. I love Thrawn.
I hope we see Eli vanto in ahsoka. He’s one of my favorite characters
I just re-watched Rebels -- can't wait for Ahsoka!
Thrawn is my favorite villain next to Darth Vader. I trust and hope Dave Filoni will handle his character properly, but I’m sure he will have a similar demise with his Heir to The Empire treatment at some point.
I hope the Ashoka series does Thrawn justice for his tactical genius.
Thrawn, is an individual who could tell Palpatine to him personally building not one but two Death Stars is very much unwise and live to tell the tell. Boy was he correct about his assessment.
Thanks for your support for the actors and screenwriters on strike. Hope Hollywood studios treat them fairly.
Live action version looks like Data from Star Trek with blue skin
😂
Since Thrawn only joined the Empire in order to get their help with The Grysk, why did he stay around once the Empire collapsed?
Given that most of the Imperial remnants fled to the Unknown Regions to establish the First Order, it's possible they found him along the way and brought him back to the Chiss Ascendancy.
And Thrawn may have seen Palpatine's absence and the lack of a unified leadership as an opportunity to step in and reshape the Empire in his image, one better prepared to combat the Grysk.
@@CouncilCape897that's an excellent explanation
A man willing to enslave people to create weapons is not a hero, no matter what the justifications may be. And he's definitely not a hero when he issues orbital bombardments on innocent civilians, even when his own troops are being held hostage by what would be considered terrorists fighting on behalf of those civilians. Thrawn is not a good guy despite his intelligence and calm demeanor in combat. He's a captivating character, but that doesn't make him a good guy.
Wasn’t Pellaeon also shot into the unknown regions with Thrawn and Ezra? All the starfleet over Lothal was taken, and Pellaeon was on one of those ships
It was implied, but never confirmed. Ezra didn't command the Purrgil to drag Thrawn's fleet away from Lothal until *after* Pellaeon reported via comlink that they destroyed the orbital blockade upon their arrival.
And given that communication was lost between the blockade's destruction and the Purrgil arriving on Lothal's surface, it's implied that Pellaeon was part of the orbital blockade rather than the fleet on the surface. So it wouldn't be impossible that he either evacuated his Star Destroyer as it was being destroyed or survived the crash landing, sparing him being dragged away along Thrawn and Ezra.
@@CouncilCape897 to me, it makes the most sense if Pellaeon and the o total fleet went with the Purrgil/Thrawn/Ezra and the atmospheric fleet. There were no imperial forces left at Lothal and none ever came back (per the epilogue). So I don’t think his ship crashed or that he fled. And I don’t think any imperials that were left on planet were treated very kindly.
It’s easier story wise to say the whole of the seventh fleet was taken by Purrgil and the vast majority of the ground forces were destroyed in the dome. No hoops to jump through about who was where.
We know the Purrgil got past the blockade. This breach would “destroy the blockade”. I don’t think the ships were completely destroyed, I think they were just disabled. Plus, depending where the orbital fleet was in relation to the atmospheric ships, they may have needed to be moved for a jump to be possible (assuming they were in the same vicinity). In that case, it would make most sense if they all jumped together.
But you’re right, at this point it’s all just speculation based on implications.
@@DarthCobay I agree that it would've been far easier to just have firmly stated that the entirety of the fleet was taken along for the ride.
But I disagree with the logic that the ships on orbit could've just been disabled and still qualify as the blockade being destroyed because, if that were the case, Pellaeon would've reported that the Purrgil *penetrated* or *broke* the blockade, rather than destroyed it. "Destroy" has more absolute connotations.
Also, Wolffe never said there weren't any Imperial forces whatsoever remaining on Lothal. He specifically said that the surviving fleet was gone. In fact, the same episode shows the civilian population rebelling against more Stormtroopers stationed at other facilities *after* the Rebels destroyed the dome.
So, it's just as possible that the Star Destroyers on orbit did crash on Lothal's surface at some point and that Wolffe simply didn't think they posed a threat anymore. And given how the civilians treated the Imperial ground forces, I don't think it's impossible that they would've taken survivors from a hypothetical crash like Pellaeon prisoner. And just like Moff Gideon somehow escaped custody off-screen, Pellaeon could've done the same.
At the end of the day, all we have are technicalities and semantics to go with. I apologize if I seemed like I was aggressively stating my opinion as fact. I'm just trying to make sense of Pellaeon somehow being back in the known galaxy despite Thrawn and Ezra still being missing.
I know my hypotheses are convoluted, but I consider them possible because Star Wars already has an extensive history of bringing back characters that should realistically be indisposed or straight-up dead through retcons that require a lot of suspension of disbelief. So much so that I don't believe in deaths or disappearances anymore unless characters are explicitly *shown* to die or go missing.
Then again, you could be right and Pellaeon *is* missing alongside Thrawn and Ezra but was somehow able to reestablish communications with the Imperial Remnant. Therefore explaining why he's so confident of Thrawn's imminent return.
Hell, maybe the Chiss Ascendancy found them and they've been staying there to prepare it for the incoming Grysk invasion before recruiting allies like the Imperial Remnant.
@@CouncilCape897 It may also be that the fleet was not trasnported to the same place and he was able to return sooner than Thrawn. Or Thrawn send him back as some kind as vanguard to test the water and try to rally support among the Imperial Remnants.
@@marcbartuschka6372 Very good point.
yes we see him in last epizode for one minute like cliffhanger :D
You left out he's got a side gig as a Smurf
Thrawn is not a despot. He does the duty he swore to. He does not waste lives and is not too proud to withdraw. Solid character. There are ways he could return.
Thrawn has basically two weaknesses.
Firstly he can't predict what he never encountered. In Legends he was almost killed by a Force choke because he never encountered a force user before and in canon he was beaten by the Purgil.
And secondly he has next to no people skills which borderlines on some form of autism. He doesn't play politics and doesn't care what his superiors will think about his actions and words. So he's basically like an elephant in a glass shop which is why he was de facto exiled
With a new posse of Force users (Elsbeth, Shin, Baylon, and Marrok) aligned with his faction, Thrawn is now on his way to address the first weakness (of not fully understanding how the Force works).
Second weakness, however, may need to be an incurable weakness (for Thrawn to be reasonably beaten by the end of Ahsoka, or by the end of the crossover event movie).
He's not a villain. The rebels are villians 😈
"If she's not blood related, she's free to be dated" - Grand Admiral Thrawn
The Lore Master also made a brilliant video on Thrawn some years back. Check out it.
Okay, lets talk about the ending of Rebels because people really don't understand why Thrawn did what he did. If you read the books, you realise he absolutely had to win the battle of Lothal otherwise it was game over for him with regards to the Empire. Ezra and the "good guys" locked all the imperial's in the dome and were quite happy to (and did) blow it to pieces with everyone onboard. Thrawn was essentially backed into a corner and saw the one weakness he could exploit was Ezra's empathy as a Jedi and love of his world/people. He had to show he was serious to force a surrender, which it did. Ethically, yes evil. However if you look at both sides in this neither of them are exactly good. Thrawn explains this quite clearly by saying along the lines of "Oh nonsense, you could have let your people die. But you chose to be a Jedi, choosing what you believe is morally right instead of what is strategically sound. Predictable. ". There wasn't really much else he could do given withdrawing wasn't an option. He needed to quell the uprising quickly and once and for all.
Hi, I am curious, if you consider Thrawn a Villian because of his acts do you also consider someone like Saw Gerrera a villian? If not where do you draw the line?
I can understand the difficulty because if you went purely on the books (written by Zahn) you would probably say he is not a villain (Zahn makes Thrawn such an excellent character because he has such compelling motivations) - whereas in the animated show he more definitely is. I wonder how they are going to marry the two versions together or if Thrawn will simply be “evil” in Ashoka as he was in Rebels. Then perhaps Zahn will get a final trilogy set between rebels and his return to give his impression of Thrawn.
One option which I have wondered if they would do for a while and could be a good way to solve a couple of potential Ashoka loop holes and could help amend Thrawn’s imagine is reveal at the start of Ashoka that the Rebels show we saw was more of Sabine’s stylised retelling of events (perhaps to Ashoka to fill her in on the blanks). That way certain events could, without taking anything away from that show, be retold retrospectively with a more neutral point of view.
The actor portraying him in the Ashoka series bears more than a passing resemblance to Elon Musk
Now we need Mara jade to complete the heir to the empire books
Lars does it perfect. Grand Admiral Lars
what are the grysk? we know how they look?
Might also be worth pointing out he knows Darth Vader is Anakin. Once he learns Ahsoka was Anakin’s padawon he will most likely try to get in her head with that
He looks like a blue Data from Star Trek the Next Gen....
😂
I was thinking that. 😂
Are they deliberately trying to make Thrawn look like Elon Musk?
I know it probably won't happen but I really wish they'd tie the canon books (& comics) more into the shows & movies. At the very, VERY least stop contradicting them.
Imagine elon playing the role lol
Star Wars explain do you think if grand Admiral Thrawn was force sensitive? It would’ve been the right hand man of Palpatine instead of Vader right because of his intellect, his brains and brawn
Thron is most definitely evil even in the legend stories. He nearly decimated the entire new republic fleet in one fell swoop when he attacked the shipyards. I feel like a lot of people that read the original legends books, seem to forget that little detail. The implications of his actions, even in rebels, are quite disturbing. Plus, he’s a straight up murderer. Once he’s finished with his allies, he straight up, kills them himself or has them killed, depending on what the situation demands. He’s definitely bad news, and for those of us, nerdy folks who know who he is it’s gonna be interesting to see where they take him and live action. And I feel like because the live actions are geared a little more towards an adult audience. They’re going to be able to show him doing some of these awful things.. on the other hand, though I just hope that he’s not water down for the benefit of the people who don’t know who he is that is one of the things that scares me about this series is that we are not going to be able to see him much for one and for two there are more people that don’t know who he is versus the people that do cell they might have to rewrite him a little bit
To be hones I see nothing bad in trying to defeat the fleet of your enemy if you are in a war with them. That is something any military leader would try to do (especially if he fight while being pushed into a corner). At that point in legends Thrawn had just a small fleet under his command. To rescue the Empire or at least the parts he had taken command it was necessary to destroy the rebellion as fast and cost-effective as he could.
And it would be new for me that he killed his allies. He kill those he sees as a danger if he thinks it is necessary, and yes, he could be ruthless. But beside very rare occasioans he did not harm those under his command or his allies. He did execute a member of his flagship, but that not so much because the man did make a mistake, but because he tried to throw his officer under the bus and was not able even to admit that he has made a mistake. on several other occasions he did spare the life of people who make mistakes if they show the ability to learn. He is clearly not a nice guy, but for a commander under desperate cirumstances he is very calm and collected.
And Elon musk, as Lieutenant Commander data
Lama Su actually reminds me the most of Elon Musk.
I have a friend who HATES Thrawn (I believe the term they used was "blue skinned, red eyed, space Jesus") on account of how Thrawn is portrayed at being the best at everything he does without even trying and how even his apparent mistakes are just another part of his strategy.
In other words, a Gary Stu
blue musk
Rex. Where is rex ??!!
No one knows. He hasn't been featured or even mentioned in any story set after the Rebels finale.
I find Thrawn is a space Napoleon and will be a better portrayal then the Riddley Scott version.
Elon thrawn
Ethrawn Musk
Without Roku he can’t be killed off
Roku is a streaming service. His bodyguard was called Rukh.
@@riphopfer5816 I’m terrible at spelling some words
@@emperorvader9688 No worries; I just had a bit of a chuckle. In fact, I actually thought it was an autocorrect error.
@@riphopfer5816 I hate bloody autocorrect lol
I hope they change his look to not look like Elon musk
Thrawn looks so silly in this.
still not calling Thrawn a villain, Ascendency Aeterna!
I think thrawn and ezra are dead. The clip of thrawn is a flashback to the scene where they got taken. Elsbeth is being manipulated into opening a gateway and fleet straight to death. The witches originated in the other galaxy but have weakened during the lost millenia, easy prey now for an intergalactic threat of psychically physical destruction, weilders of the force before jedi ever came up with it. Invasion is imminent.
That could be slightly more interesting, if done well, than the "Ahsoka" tv series I'm just trying to rewatch and earnestly TRYING to enjoy... cuz it was supposed to be a fun series for me. With many of my long liked charas.
I think call Thrawn evil is calling soldiers evil. I think it's a very fine line to draw. I don't think Thrawn does anything that you haven't seen the "good guys" in wars do. Take the fire bombing of Tokyo for instance. You can argue the morality of the action to death, but I think calling the soldiers and officers that planned it "evil" or "villainous" is not something most people would agree with. I think Thrawn is a very interesting character because he is the only one that we see that actually can been looked at as a military character.
Thrawn Musk
I know Thrawn is a fascist, thus inherently evil, but I tend to think of him as without a moral compass. Thrawn can only see the problem in front of him, the battle. He's like a computer. When he was with the Ascendency, he had people he loved and people who loved him that acted as a moral compass for him, but as he gained power in the Empire, he had no one to keep him ethically grounded and accountable. Eli Vanto was close to serving this, but whatever personal ideals Eli had, they were overwritten by the empire. The Emperor had the most power over Thrawn, which as this video says, is basically a deal with the devil.
I know it could be argued that the reason Thrawn is still with the empire is that he views the New Republic as weak and short-lasting, but the Ascendency is still under threat of war? He was last in contact with them 5 years ago, you'd think he'd just accept the New Republic as they are and get back home before the Grysk invade. I assumed him and Ezra would have befriended eachother in the time they were missing so Thrawn could learn more about the force, he seemed to always be a bit disappointed in his lack of understanding of it. I think he'd like Ezra the same way he liked Eli Vanto, if given a chance. And if he could befriend Ezra, why wouldn't he win over the rest of the Ghost crew to help with the Grysks?
nah the man isn't a villain. He does bad things, as much as meny rebels did bad things. Luthen states that quite clearly in Andor, he's using the empire's methods. We condone the methods and the casualties the galactic civil war brings because we belive in the rebel cause to destroy the empire. The casualties are a lesser evil than the exitence of the empire. In the same way for Thrawn the existance of the empire is a lesser evil than the ensalvement of civilizations to the Grysk. Thrawn is good, he's just playing a broader game than the rebels are
He nicely fits in the "From a Certain Point of View" of Star Wars characters in this way.
I certainly hope that Ahsoka (the show) successfully bridges the gap between Rebels Thrawn and novel Thrawn!
@@topnotchshinobi i hope so. They have the space to show a more nuanced character than in rebels, it would be such a waste
Exactly
One thing tough that I don't like is how the books that cover his backstory and time in the Imperial Military seem to be written specificially for an adult readership and not a larger group of people, since the stories always take time to be actually understood.
Personally, I don’t think they’re adult-orientated ENOUGH. *Heir To the Empire* was written with an adult audience in mind; Thrawn is too complex a character to be properly understood by anyone but adults (and VERY precocious young lads and lasses). His motivations, thought processes, ethos, and strategies are all very psychologically nuanced and intellectually advanced; I believe one of the reasons I feel much ‘young Thrawn’ lore isn’t up to my standards is because it requires a genius to write a genius. It’s not enough to say ‘Grand Admiral Thrawn is a tactical genius’; one must show him doing tactically brilliant things. If the author hasn’t the intellect to imagine such a scenario, you’re left with a Thrawn who’s just a regular Imperial Navy officer in a shiny white suit.
The original Thrawn, written by Timothy Zahn, was a strategic and tactical genius. The only reason he failed is that he failed to appreciate the depth of the Noghri reverence for the bloodline of Lord Vader, and the fact that two of his staunchest enemies were of that bloodline. Of course he obviously also and he failed to anticipate Luke and Leia’s discovering their world, exposing the treachery of the Empire, and thus inciting the Noghri rebellion-which led directly to his death.
In point of fact, though, , in the whole remainder of the former Expanded Universe, never again did another military commander achieve so much with so little. I am convinced that the reason for this is that it is truly HARD to write a real military genius. I’ve an high I.Q., am a decent writer, and am a very good chess player (for a sidewalk-café amateur)-yet I begin to feel a bit of anxiety when I start trying to imagine how much work it would be to create a true master tactician from scratch in ANY universe. I already know I’d have to take Modafinil to keep my dog’s breakfast working at maximum efficiency during the project, and no doubt it would physically drain me…And I’m not a young man anymore.
Anyroad, tl;dr: Thrawn books SHOULD be complicated, because Thrawn is a very, very complicated guy. He’s not like the Emperor whom you need simply LOOK at to know ‘this is a man possessed by evil’. His motives and his ambitions are informed by his native culture, his first impressions of the Old Republic (via Outbound Flight), his interactions with the Emperor, the racism he endured and overcame throughout his career in the Imperial Navy, and-last but certainly not least-his own philosophy of a strong military state, his attention to detail, and his uncanny ability to find psychological weaknesses in a species through that species’ art.
Not the kind of character written for a children’s book.
Fan Service power trip character for edgelords 😎👍
Woooah now, I love, respect, and am grateful for your content. However to argue that “Thrawn is a villain but is just nuanced” is far too reductionist.
Yes, he’s sided with the ‘baddies’ of Star Wars Galactic Civil War era politics, and does ‘bad’ things in the books/shows.
But to label him objectively as a “Villain” doesn’t track. He’s an anti-hero character who is far more 3-dimensional and nuanced than the actual stories/lore he’s housed in. Are we to cast away an entire species of Chiss and their survival merely because “Empire bad”?
Are we to believe that good imperials cannot exist?
I’m afraid, Sir, that I must disagree with your assessment of such a highly complex and competent character - with frankly more depth in the one character than the entirety of entire Star Wars factions / time-periods.
Thrawn is ‘morally ambiguous’ at the worst, and to those that recognise the sacrifice of duty and purpose, he is a rare hero in a galaxy otherwise filled with 2-dimensional peoples and ideologies.
LONG LIVE THRAWN.
I strongly believe that older Ezra (who’s hung out with Thrawn for over a decade, and now presumably understands Thrawn’s true motives) will be the essential POV character who helps the rest of our “living in the known galaxy” main cast of characters gradually tolerate Thrawn as an uneasy ally/lesser evil.
Canon Thrawn is in no way a villain bro lol. The live action version we meet I strongly believe will be a clone following the heir to the empire story then later we’ll meet the real Thrawn and Ezra in a season prologue or something. Thrawn has a whole part of his story that has nothing to do with the empire or the republic that has yet to be told. We may have to wait on Mr Zahn to write them, but I think it’s equal possibility that we may see it unfold on the screen as well.
I am hoping the one we see is a clone bc i want (and many others want grysk wars)........ OOORRRRR dave really listend to zahn and its all a red herring and will find out in the end of ahsoka........
@@brittanyjtaylor2638 I am firmly in the Grysk wars camp myself. Plus that would let us meet Eli Vanto and Asst Director Ronin
@@jrblankenship88 ahsoka did say somethings coming something dark, it coud really be a red herring.... i suspect if there is no mention of a great threat (grysk) in ahsoka, we might see hints of them in skeleten crew....
What's this meme of live action thrawn looking like Elon musk in blue face?
Bruh...no mention of the Far Outsiders. The real reason why Thrawn needed allies.
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1) he's hot
He is Elon Musk
Grand admiral ELON MUSK .....LOL
Why does he look like Elon Musk
What the hell?
Why does he look like Elon Musk?
So Thrawn has no powers, meh
He is not a villain, stop lying to everyone 😂
Thrawn is NOT a villian and neither is Vader or any imperial
imperials aren't necessay villains. Some of them are, most of them aren't. Thrawn deinitely isn't. What about vader tough? How is he not a villain?
@@Gaetano2005 I liked his armor when i was little which means he couldnt possibly do anything bad
@@user-no4su7je2n fair enough, i guess
You’re a villain the SECOND you massacre younglings or order the bombardment of a city. Be quiet
Sounds like a boring character, I like my villains with wizard powers, evil and smarter than the hero.
Wizardry is stupid. But Thrawn is ABSOLUTELY smarter than his opponents. At least, that’s the way he was originally designed. And he doesn’t have any supernatural abilities, but his ability to determine the psychological weaknesses of a species through careful study of its art is…well, more than a little impressive.
Hey, dude, you forgot to update your every war In Star Wars😅 canon
He has done it every May the 4th, including 2023.