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- Simon Jordan & Alex Crook talk about Mauricio Pochettino and his suitability to International management. Simon speaks impassionedly about what level he believes the former Spurs manager is, and whilst impressed by his results, ranks him below many others across the Premier League.
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Crystal Palace went through 5 managers in 2 years when he was chairman.
And not one of them could hold a sentence with the one true king of truths Sir Simon Jordan. Simon =top LAD proper clobber
@@MW-zd5gn funniest comment I've seen this week. đđ€Łđ
Im surprised he wasnt changing managers monthly đ€Ł Simon is the man!đđŸđ
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Simon 100% right. Elite is reserved for those whoâve proven themselves. In sport this is measured by continued accolades alongside building something at the same time.
Good debate. I was with Simon and generally think Poch is overrated but Alex made a good point about all the players that improved under him. Ultimately only time will tell how good he is. He hasn't objectively proven it yet but he very likely will.
He peaked quite few years ago.
Simon is 100% correct, heâs very good but not Elite.I donât see him managing England though
Southgate isn't even close to 'very good'.
@@grantmcphee5149 Iâm talking about Poch. Southgate is poor tactically and has zero idea how to put a team together but as the face of the England team heâs done a good job as a hype man and has a good rapport with the media (until recently) more ambassador than international manager
@@legniak1 my point was Poch would be an improvement over Southgate.
So you're saying SG is elite huh,England will be 10time dangerous under Poch.
Poch would definitely be an improvement but I donât see him taking the job but letâs be honest, if the money is right heâs gonna consider it.
Poch plays good football and a think he would be a great fit for England. Crooky was a poch cheerleader and he was one of the many media people tht wanted him for the united job.
Not a winner. Arsene Wenger is a winner and will take this team to the next level.
Ya made me laugh when ya said he plays good football đđ
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Poch budget at spurs was non existent with what he had to work with makes him elite
But he had more than enough to win 2or3silverware.Not PL or CL though.
@@ljunyreona9882 he was competing against 5 bigger clubs who could spend money, and actually would have won a league title at spurs if it wasn't for a miraculous Leicester city season. He also brought spurs to a CL final after not signing a single player in 2 windows. The fact he didn't actually win something probably shouldn't be used as a stick to bash him with.
He made Messi look average for a. Season, he leaves and Messi is world class again. He played a 35 year old on the wing for an entire season and didnât once thing to put him in the centre. He stinks
@@Behold__Optic_Blast no he wouldn't, Spurs managed to finish 3rd that season đ
@@magikarpsplashy yes. Because AFTER Leicester won the league spurs were finished and mentally shattered. That's why they finished so poorly. Tell me you don't understand football without telling me you don't understand football. Arsenal were practically never even in the race, it was only ever going to be Leicester or Spurs. Spurs finishing 3rd doesn't whitewash that.
Great analysis!!!
World class to me isnât just to be able to get into any team but once they get there they still stand out.
I'd describe that as elite, personally. Or are we going to say that James Milner and Casemiro are not the best in their style of football, acting as solid anchors for the creative players to play?
@@MrJeffHead Not many , plenty of terrific players but world class I would instantly think of players like Maradona, Messi , Ronaldinho, Ronaldo, Zidane , Neymar ,Maldini , Baresi ,Rivaldo , Socrates ,etc players who would get into any team in the world and stand out even in they teams . There are plenty of teams who have won European cups carrying some players who werenât World class.
@@MrJeffHead okay take your point , But i would have to then take Barry French point of view and say Messi and Co are above world Class and are Elite
@@MrJeffHead The players I mentioned were the best in their position in the world just now or in their time ,we are too quick to throw in heâs world class or heâs world class at good players where their is probably plenty of players equally as good in their position. Hence the reason I donât like using the term world class too readily. The players I mentioned were above and beyond anything in the world in their position.
@@MrJeffHead Okay Iâll give you him but surely you can see my definition of a world class player where that player is the best in his position with no competition rather than when we say heâs world class when there are plenty of other players in the world equally as good in their position.
Very good manager.. not elite though
Simon is the first public personality I've heard actually get the saying correct: "the proof of the pudding is in the eating". For some reason everyone else says: "the proof is in the pudding"...wtf does that mean?!
He was right Tottenham did not turn up in the CL final, he made the mistake of playing Kane in the Final straight after injury dropping the hat trick hero from the semi final.
true but a dodgy handball was the only difference liverpool parked the bus lol
moura is crap get over it but yes it is annoying how carthorse kane never gets dropped lol
It's true and Liverpool were there for the taking, they didn't play a great game. Still did a great job in my eyes. Very good, not elite is a perfect description I think
Simon doesn't think Liverpool had any World-Class footballers for winning the Champions League in 2019?
The starting line was: Alisson Becker, TAA, Gomez, VVD, Robbo, Fabinho, Hendo, Gini, Salah Firmino, Mane
You telling me there wasn't a world-class footballers in that team Simon?
Allison,vvd,robertson,salah,mane
According to him, NO ONE is world class from what I can tell.
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@@sammybeck4855 oh god.
â@@spark556 he clarified what world class meant. He said there is relatively few world class players and his definition of world class is players that could get in any team.
If Southgate can reach a final and semi-final with these players just imagine what Poch could do with them.
I'd love a beer with Simon and Roy Keane đ»
Come on Simon ffs ! Poch improved teams and players significantly! Many players played their best football under him. Tottenham were nowhere before his arrival.
Um.... Tottenham was playing CL football under Harry Redknapp
Thereâs another way of saying what Simon is failing to fully articulate here;
Sir Alex Ferguson won the European Cup Winners Cup with Aberdeen beating an _Alfredo Di Stéfano_ managed Real Madrid.
Levels.
MP is more than capable of managing any team and a managerâs achievements at club level doesnât matter when managing an international side
Simon what is poch,s record against pep ?
I donât think Poch is an elite manager by Simonâs criteria, but I donât think Ten Haag is either then
Nobody said Ten Hag was?
He said Ten Hag was 'elite' in the other league based on their standards. Overall he's basically saying he has to win at United and change that team to become solidified elite
Simon is spot on. He's had a chance at an elite club and bottled it. Lots of managers have done well at clubs to a certain level. David Moyes was the prime example of a very good manager that couldn't cut it at the top level.
Anything he did at Spurs was an over achievement, thus without pressure.
As soon as expectation came at Spurs he folded and got sacked
Who won anything at PSG that shouldn't have won? Who has done as good as he as at Spurs? I love Ten Hag and think he is doing a great job so far at United. However he won nothing at Ajax he shouldn't have won.
@@biggy3rd and like every other psg manager he was sacked for underachieving đ€·ââïž rest of them didn't have Messi, Neymar and Mbappe though.
It shows his level when the Chelsea job came up and he wasn't mentioned but he was one of the favourites for the Villa job đ
@@magikarpsplashy He should have taken the Villa job, if the opportunity was offered.
@@magikarpsplashy How did he underachieve? Cos he didn't win the Champion's league? The glacticos of Real Madrid didn't either, which tells you they have no God given right too. You all act like having those players doesn't bring it's own problems. You have arguably greatest of all time in Messi that is past his best. Neymar who thinks he is the greatest thing since slice bread and Mbappe with an ego the size of Texas. All 3 have direct access to the owners, how is that ever going to work.
@@biggy3rd yep, precisely that. They didn't, hence why they under achieved too, you're finally starting to see how it works.
Well if it didn't work playing all 3 then don't play all 3... if the owners sack you for it then at least you have your dignity and not just picking players because you're told you have to.
Jose Pep and Klopp wouldn't pick players who didn't perform, that's why they are elite.
The FA messed up with Brian Clough, let's hope they don't mess up with Arsene Wenger.
"You're playing on words here.....No one has won anything at Tottenham."
That was more like a monty python 'silly' argument sketch...lol
Pity , it is a bit late now.Southgate might just fluke it, with this bunch of players, provided he plays the players that are on form, as opposed to favouritism based on loyalty.
Normally agree with Simon but heâs well off here. Calling Poch a âmiddle table premier league managerâ has absolutely baffled me. Clearly a Top 6 level manager
But why is it that predominantly foreign managers are being linked with the England job?
The sun shines on a dogs backside sometimes đ€Łđ€Ł classic.
I donât agree with foreign managers based on past experiences.
However, the only exception for me would be Pep.
It should be a FIFA regulation that national teams are managed by a person of that nation .
Why so? We are living in a multinational culture, more than ever before. I would have Poch in an instance for England
@@Jeri-Walk I think you might have meant that we supposedly live in a multicultural nation but why would any self respecting Argentinian want to manage England?
@@MisAnnThorpe Similarly why Klopp Abandon Dortmund to serve Liverpool, Guardiola left Spain to serve Manchester. Arteta managing Arsenal instead of working in Spain. Now you would argue these are clubs but, in the nutshell, it is the same and also you are helping in establishing and improving the structure of a foreign land. So, no issue in managing an Interntaional team as a foreign person.
@@MisAnnThorpe spot on
Kevin Lemon 100% right.
Pochettino is certainly levels above SouthGate when it comes to actually being a coach.
I agree
But Southgate is a much better political piggy.
I agree with SJ on this on. Poch shouldn't be coming runner up in Ligue 1.
I agree with him on this one, good but not elite
Pochettino was definitely an overachiever at Spurs but he can't be considered elite & his time at PSG definitely didn't do him any favours
He wasnât in charge at PSG, no manager is in charge at that club.
@@alexbelotti1603 Tuchel & Emery definitely made an imprint on the coaching side during their spells at PSG and Poch did not do that, maybe the unforeseen signing of Messi didn't help him but his coaching left a lot more to be desired especially with what we know he is a capable of
Crooky is kinda getting on my nerves with his "know-it-all" attitude, stick to transfer days and deadlines.
If Poch got the support at Spurs, that Klopp got at Liverpool. Spurs would've won a trophy, if not the league.
Regarding Poch taking on the England job. Why is it an issue? Italian managers in recent year have been in their 50s. They did a tournament, and went back to club football.
Klopps net spend was lower than pochettino tho. Spurs didn't have a coutinho to sell for 145m and then buy a world class Gk and CB.
@@dman9152 Klopp got support before that. Under Klopp they bought Mane, Salah, Wijnaldum, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Robertson. To the tune of ÂŁ144m. Before they even sold Coutinho to Barca. Everyone focuses on the Coutinho sale, and that money got them Allisson and VvD. Liverpool spent ÂŁ144m on players before Coutinho was sold. In the window that brought in Allisson, they also bought Keita for ÂŁ53m; Fabinho for ÂŁ44m; Shaqiri for ÂŁ14m. That's ÂŁ255m, pre+post of Coutinho sale, and Allisson and VvD purchase. In a matter of two years.
Levy was never going to spend that kind of money under Poch. He reluctantly is spending money under Conte. He's realised, that this is the last chance he has.
@@MrCrashturner spurs big buys under poch
tanguy ndombele for 60m
Giovanni lo Celso for 42m
Davidson Sanchez for 42m
Ryan Sesegnon for 25m
Mousse sissoko for 30m
Lucas Moura for 25m
How many of them have been good buys ?
@@dman9152 The buys speak more the setup at Spurs. The infrastructure at the club only really changed when Paratici was brought in. Sess, Lucas and Sanchez remain, when they should all be moved on. As for the transfers themself, those were over the course of 4 seasons when a rebuild was needed and asked for. Through all of this Steve Hitchen somehow remained. Spurs had the stadium build, and that was glaringly Levy's priority. Because of this, it started to fall apart. Asking the same of players he had for the past 4 seasons started to get diminished returns. Everyone started to tail off. Players who left were not replaced with the same or better quality, or even replaced.
It is no accident that under ENIC, Spurs have only one 1 trophy, in their 20+ years of ownership. Yes, they run a great business, but where it counts on the pitch. It has been poor. When Levy had a top up and coming manager, who molded generational players. He opted to not fully back him. Spurs are where they are, solely because of Levy's limitations at running the footballing side of the club.
Pochettino plays more attractive football than Conte, Mourinho & Southgate put together..... He did an amazing job at Spurs on precious little funds cos the new stadium was being built
but that doesn't class him as elite. Many managers play exciting football.
Ian Holloway plays exciting football. What kind of argument is that đ
As a Arsenal fan ,I am glad that Spurs missed the boat with him , if Levy backed him I think they would of won something
Was Southgate elite?
Simon totally spot on again
Jim & Alex don't seem to understand that he hasn't won any trophies other than the ones in France or maybe its just their definition of elite/world class that's questionable
Simon finally talking facts, people use the term world class way too loosely
Poch gave into Kane at Spurs and he would do the same with England. Wenger is the man!
Wenger is 73 and hasn't coached in 6 years. Have you read some of the comments he's made recently about game improvements? Replacing throw-ins with kick-ins. Or freekicks to yourself: "restart play quickly by taking a free kick to themselves."
Poch will be an elite coach the moment he wins multiple league and champions league titles, just like the other elite managers have.
One things for sure he's a better manager than Southgate
I'd take him for England 100%
Imagine if Senegal beats England
John Lennon had no difficulty imagining such a scenario. Just goes to prove what a visionary he truly was. In all honesty though, would that constitute a shock result when Japan can beat Germany and Spain?
All the people saying he played good football at Spurs. He also played terrible football at Psg . He needs young players who are willing to run for his style to work out. Top players (other than Man City & Liverpool) do not want to run about mad every game
No doubt a decent manager but Simon is right, the jury is still out on whether he is at the very top level. He won nothing at Spurs whilst doing a good job. The work he did at PSG was the very least you should be doing in a 1 club league and I would argue that the achievments of Dyche at Burnley, Howe at Bournemouth and Potter at Brighton were superior to his work at Southampton. I can see him getting the Chelsea job at some stage which will give him the chance to prove if he really is elite
Over half the future England team either come from Man City or Arsenal and play the style of football Arsene Wenger invented. The FA should already have Wenger's contract waiting to be signed.
Lol. Wenger didn't invent possession. Only in England. And Wenger was a tactical novice, his teams had no plan without the ball. Pep invented this style of play. And England shouldn't be hiring foreign managers, we should be looking at why we aren't producing good coaches or giving the good ones we have more chances.
Is he an elite manage like pep or klopp? Not quite. Would I have him over Southgate? Yes. Not a Southgate hater, not a fan of his tactics but love the unity he's brought into the squad but let's face it no top half PL team would go for him if he became available.
Talksport just read my comment about Poch & England under Poch video. 100% confirmed
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If Jim and Alex are in the poch cheerleading club, Simon is surely in conte's :D
Poch would be one of the best international managers instantly. The level is sooo far below what he achieved with spurs in the prem.
Tottenhamâs performance at that final was abject? Iâm an Arsenal fan, Tottenham actually played very well but fell against a better side.
Simon is wrong all day & twice on a Sunday. Poch is a good man & manager. He did well considering the players they had.
Sorry Simon but I donât think you have a clue about Pochettino. He actually went through a season without one new player being purchased and still got Spurs into the Champions league. The mistake he made in the champions league was dropping Lucas and putting Harry in when he wasnât match fit. The penalty also didnât help.
He is not elite manager but he is better than Southgate.
Simon talks about poch at spurs ? Saying he wins nothingâŠconte and mourinho been at spurs over 4 years won nothing ? And theyâre mean to be 2 of the best managers in the world they have had the same group of players spurs been nowhere near a final since the champions league against Liverpool, poch deserves respect best league in the world and look how far he took spurs whilst he was there with only 3 world class players (if you include lloris as world class)
Heâs better than ETH thatâs for sure.
Alex looks like Poch's younger brother, so i'm watching closely for any family bias!
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You say that on every video đ€ŠđŸ
I'm starting to believe it doesn't take much to become a "good" football manager. It's like being hailed as a "good" college basketball coach. Just like a lot of "motivational" nonsense and snake oil salesmanship.
Pochettino is not elite,Simon is spot-on
Jordan is spot on about Poch. It took a move to PSG before he could collect any silverware. Tuchel and Emery also won there. PSG has the money and players and the rest of the French league doesnât . And if one checked the records one would see that Ronald Keoman did a better job at Southampton after Pochettino left for Spurs. Heâs a good Manager but far from Elite. Never could understand why he was always linked to too clubs without an impressive CV.
What exactly did Koeman do?
He did a great job at Southampton and a spectacular job at Spurs. He turned Spurs from no-hopers to being in the CL most seasons and took them to a CL final. He drastically improved players like Kane, Son, Dele Ali and Eriksen. And his style of football was exhilarating (at least for the first few seasons at Spurs and at Southampton). His budget at Spurs was non-existent and they didn't sign a player for the last 2 years or whatever it was.
I don't know why he went to PSG, it never seemed a good fit. He's a coach who needs to build a project, and likes to play high pressing, intense football, which PSG were never going to be able to. And I don't know why he'd want to manage England, as an Argentinean. I don't know why he'd consider dropping down to a Villa either. Spurs after Conte has left seems like the natural move. But I don't know what he does until then.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 yes, he built a project. But as soon as that project was expected to deliver results he folded. As soon as he was given money he bought rubbish players with it.
As soon as he was under some pressure he couldn't handle it
@@magikarpsplashy We can also argue the money came too late at Spurs. At a point Spurs went almost 2 years without buying a single player. Wasn't there a point in time when Spurs were the only team in the top 2 tier in European leagues that didn't buy a single player. By the time the money came the rot already set in.
@@biggy3rd Ndombele and Sanchez. 100m wasted straight away.
Jansson, Aurier, Llorente, Njie, Forth, N'Koudou, Clarke, Fazio. That's another 121m
There's only Son and Alderweireld you can claim to be very good, and he already knew Alderweireld from Southampton.
@@magikarpsplashy This is just stupidly untrue. He barely had a net spend at Spurs and signed 0 players in his last year. He is the reason Spurs are a top 6 club. He got them into the CL 4 out of 5 seasons and to a final.
When was he given money? He never had a net spend of more than 20mil. He bought Dele Alli for 6mil and turned him into a top player. Trippier for 5mil. Both from lower leagues. He bought Son and Alderweireld.
He said Poch is not elite coz he's not at the level of Klopp, I thought yes, then he said Conte, yea perhaps, he said Pep, undoubtedly.. but then he went onto Potter and Ten Hag! if Ten Hag is elite but Poch isn't then your logic is de-railed.. đ
Agree
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A straight fact from the depths of truthville
I agree with Simon. Pochettino is good but not great.
reminds me of martinez to to belgium... was never going to get actual results... I would bring in Bielsa... hes a winner.
Youâve got a 10 minute video out of total speculation and no basis in fact.
Howe to England and Poch to Newcastle
Brendan rodgers should get a chance on the england job if its not a english man should be uk
So ten hag is better , according to your argument, Simon,
Lol eat your own words
(Joel glazer can't press)
An elite manager wins more away games.
Poch will be at Leeds
Spurs were actually the better side in the CL final
Liverpool won the competition in the semi final against Barcelona just went to Madrid to collect the CL.
@@dman9152 Nice try
Liverpool were the better side in the previous final vs Madrid
@@user-dp3tr4ph4g That may be true but my initial point was in response to Simon saying Spurs didn't show up.
Jim is debating for debating sake. His record isnât up there with Pep, klopp and conte. So heâs not elite. Heâs a good manager but not the best.
Poch is defo a notch below,every time he needs more feed for his ranch he works for 18 monthsâŠâŠ.clever man,people still employ him
I'll take that bet simon
So Ten Haag wins a 1 team league with that team and is elite. poch does the same and isn't?
Heâs not Elite, or World class. Heâs below that wherever that may be, as a manager I prefer Thomas frank. Also if England want a foreign manager, thereâs a guy out there called Thomas Tuchel.
Poch got Son and Kane and Dele Ali for nothing and only one of them was worth nothing Deli đ€Ł
Southgate will never get a premier league coach, Pochetino is a far better coach an ideal fit for England.
some elite punditry here.
Itâs Dollars for donuts đ©
Conte is to Simon what Ronaldo is it piers Morgan. He can do no wrong in his eyes.
Well said, Simon. Poch's Spuds were indeed "abject" in that UCL final plus they contrived to finish third in a two-horse race the year little Leicester City won the EPL. Also, contrary to Crook's false claim, Dele Alli was going downhill fast during Poch's final season at Spuds.
They were only in a title race or the CL (let alone the final) due to Poch.
Ten Hag is sub standard
Never have pochettino for England over my dead body. If this happens I will support Scotland and I'm not kidding
He's attacking football at spurs at times was breathtaking
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@@TheLlamaKid Saint Mark and Saint Spectre = Top LADS Proper Clobber
As a Tottenham fan I love him but not for England
Simon betting conte wins something at spurs? Didn't know he liked pissing money up the wall
If Poch had been given money Conte got he would have won it all. Its hilarious đ€Łđđ đ€Łđ
Traditional Spurs and P.S.G fall short when it comes to winning ! So he should be judged on those jobs !
I like Alex, but yeah, this ain't it
Ofc he did well at Spurs but ultimately won nothing. Remember how he crumbled the season after losing the final? Come back stronger, use it as leverage to invest, but don't just fall onto yr knees and be sad about it. Agree with SJ for once he's very good, but not elite.
Shame he wasn't managing us now tbh. Would much rather Poch than Safegate.
me too
"dodgy handball"" đđđ
Man U fanboy can't resist.
Pathetic really from an adult
Back to Southampton after Jones departs
What I get from him he wants to be your friend not your boss
Ha ha ha, fantastic, A Man United fan saying he LOVES NON-WINNING Poch. Sums up where that club is now.
Alex crook is a hype merchant. A source told me. 99â9% opinion and speculation
Donât know how I feel about an argie managing England tbh đ
Poch is more English in terms of his heart, experience and vision.