DO YOU NEED HUB RINGS? - HUBCENTRIC RINGS EXPLAINED
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- čas přidán 14. 07. 2024
- So many people neglect the use of hub rings or have questions to why they actually need them. Here's some information about hub rings and how to keep your vehicle from experiencing unnecessary vibration.
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I bought rings when I got my first Konigs, helps with mounting the wheels too. My old wheels were made for Nissans, so they were same hub size.
You need this if you change rims or els vibrant wheel be felt on the steering wheel. No matter what kind ofwheel alignment
Thanks for video and clarification
Nicely explained 👍🏽
Thanks for the info! Solid
Thanks so much for watching! If you subscribe...thats awesome too! HAHA
Great video, very informative and well explained. I recently purchased some new wheels that were ment to be the same bore as the wheel but it turns out they were not, car was shaking around 40 mph through the floor and felt horrible.. Getting some hub rings made this week so hopefully this solves the issue.
Hey man hit me up, same scenario here. Going to take it to the shop
what resulted?
did it work lol
man that socket is pretty classy
beautiful explanation
Thanks a bunch.
From what I’m learning is if you have a gap between the ur center bore and wheel you need one ☝🏼
Have a lug centric spacers and they fit my hubs perfectly my problem is my spacers and wheels have the same bore size.
Ivan, to help you out we would need more specific info. Such as the size of the spacer and both of the centerbores. With that said though, if you experience any vibration that doesn't feel right it may be coming from not being perfectly hub-centric. Not everyone has the same comfort level, just something to keep in mind! Thanks for watching!
Hi sir, a very informative video. I have a question. Do I need centric hub ring if I’m using a aftermarket wheel with tapered lug nut?
Yes you do, we would recommend always using hub-centric rings with aftermarket wheels.
@KONIG WHEELS USA So I just got some used aftermarket wheels for the winter. I noticed one is missing the hub centric ring. I lifted the wheel/tire slightly and started the first lug, then moved to the others, slightly tightening them each in an attempt to keep them all centered. In theory, if I actually got it centered well and experience no vibration should I be good to go without the ring? My plan is to get it, buy it may take a bit for me to get the time to take it all apart and figure out the sizes. Thanks for posting this video!
Hey Jon, Yes, you should be good.
Many hub rings have the tapered edge leading up to the hub, so I was wondering how the wheel is supposed to sit on them. I have some wheels with hub rings on my Nissan frontier. The rings are the correct ID/OD, but I find that once they're bolted into the truck and then taken off to inspect, the tapered part of the hub ring is compressed by the wheel. Won't that create a gap between the wheel and the hub? The tapered part is larger than the OD obviously, so I'm just a bit confused as to how the wheel is actually supposed to connect the wheel/hub
Not 100% on exactly what you mean. I think you're referring to the larger tapered portion of the hub ring that would go against the hub. If so, most wheels that are cut to accept a hub ring have a 45 deg tapered chamfer. You can see that in the video when we place the hub ring into the wheel. As long as the od / id are the right size and the wheel is perfectly flat to the hub then the ring should still do its job. If its preventing the wheel from sitting flat to the hub then it's defeating the purpose and could cause issues. Hope that helps!
Thanks
Hub rings are essential! Some people run an oem wheel from a different manufacturer with a smaller hub size which doesn’t sit them on the hub properly and then they wonder why they feel wobbling and keep breaking wheel studs.
yeah, that's super dangerous. If the center bore of the car is larger than the center bore of the wheel, then the wheel can never be flat to the hub. So the wheel not only lacks thread engagement but also will absolutely wobble itself off the car at some point.
@@konigwheels how do I fix that problem then ? If the wheel bore is smaller than the car. Tell me how to fix that.
@@konigwheels don’t hit me with the “they will never fit” because I know that isn’t true and I just can get them bored.
@@konigwheels - i have a factory bore of 64.1mm and the rim i'm looking at is 73.1mm. the new rim bore is larger. what then? am i screwed?...lol.
@@skullduggery3377 Did you watch this video at all? HAHA. No...you're not screwed. You just need a hubcentric ring. 73 to 64.1. You can find them here store.konigwheels.com or you can get them elsewhere.
I used plastic hub rings and the egged out and snapped lug bolts. I use aluminum and never had an issue. Just use anti seize on the ring
Great video. Does Konig make lightweight wheels for my 2020 Chevy Malibu premier?!
Lighter weight wheels, yes. Feel free to message us or contact a local dealer?!
So I believe I got this right, and it wouldnt be me wrong from you giving a “bad explanation” no, its great solid info. Im just curious, I have wheels with centerbore of 73.3mm and Infiniti M45 has hub centerbore of 66.1.
Curious as to when looking for rings I can only seem to find closest of 73.1-66.1. Is that going to be an issue being .02mm off, cause it technically isnt the exact same measurement?
Technically yes it’s not the right size. However 73.3 is a strange size cb so I would double check again. If I were you I would still try a plastic 73.1 ring. Sometimes with corrosion on the hub it actually can use .1 or.2 extra. You might get lucky.
put some grease or antisieze on your rings & you won't have to worry about them sticking on or corroding.
Plastic ones can get smashed, bent or marred while putting the wheels on over time
Plastics often melt at around 360 to 380 degrees F. Brakes develop ? 2000 + - degrees F. I don't understand the plastic.
Yeah, but they also cost very little, just buy new ones once in a while. Aluminium rings get smashed too.
I got a question hopefully you can answer it so I have a Nissan frontier and I’m putting Titan rims on it so they’re boarded out if you know what I mean do you suggest me putting some hub ring ??? It’s really bugging me lol
Man you saved me some money. Dudes at tires plus should have known that shit though.
Hub rings are worth the few bucks! Glad that this video helped you find the info you were looking for though!
How often should/must we replace them if so.
How tight should the hub ring be to the hub? Especially aluminum ones. There is a 1mm gap between the hub ring and the hub and I can rotate the ring around the hub. Some people have said it's supposed to be more snug on the hub to be effective.
It has the be the right size. So if there is a gap with an aluminum ring it most likely isn’t the right size.
I need a little help here , I have and 98 E39 and I just Bought wheels but it’s to small to fit on the hub .. what should I do ?
What is the difference between solid and tapered rings?
Just use some anti seize on the metal plastic hub ring and you're good.
I'm planning on getting new wheels. My center bore is 67.1 mm and the new wheels have a 72.60 hub bore
My hub ring I put on was too big and it makes a noise when I brake I got the correct size and it still does it 😢 what’s my next move
Hi, would a 0.2mm difference make a difference? I have a 106.1mm centerbore and looking to get 106.3 mm...Thanks.
Technically it could, however on trucks its going to be less felt, for the most part. Also sometimes even though your vehicle is 106.1 there usually ends up being a bit of material built up on the hub with is why many truck wheel manufacturers bore over .1mm. Check out our video on Tightening your wheels and if you do that you should be ok!
What size do I need for 15in heliums on a 1997 civic ek
Can you install those Hubcentric Rings on the original wheels (they seems to be made from rather thin metal (not plastic, not aluminum (checked with magnet)), my car is 2003 Chevrolet Cavalier)? I received new front Hub-bearing assembly, and they came w/additional parts. I thought those additional parts are some king of seals for the bearing-hub assembly, and couldn't find out how to put them together. Now I know that those mystical objects are Hubcentric rings. Thank you for the explanations of so many details I didn't know about wheels. In my set I received there are also 2 rubber rings (I didn't see any of those in the pictures of Hubcentric Rings in your film), where do they go if you need to use those Hubcentric rings? Just to know. Thank you for the film again.
Hi Olena. Thanks for watching. So I’m going to guess and say that what you have received with your replacement parts are not hub rings. They would never come with replacement parts especially as oe replacements.
@@konigwheels Thank you for the replay. I think I know what they are. It is an Inner Axle seal for those who plan to extract that Axle. I compared w/old knuckle, that cap (one of two: a cap empty inside and rubber o ring) is not there, also I found similar objects on Amazon (Ford Super Duty F350 F250 Dana Spicer Super 60 Front Axle Dust Seals e.g.) and saw some corresponding films here on you-tube. Though those extra pieces turned to be not what I thought, it was very useful to learn about Hubcentric Rings.
You just saved me 2000 dollars wow thank you
2000? Geese, on what...haha. Glad it helped!
Hello I have me a set of wheels and wondering what hub ring size do I need, my wheel bore is 64.1 and the after market wheels are 73.10. What size do I need? Thank you.
I think you mean your hub size is 64.1 and the wheel centerbore is 73.1. In either case the answer is: 73.1m to 64.1
Im looking at a 24” Rim thats a deal because it’s discontinued for a Ram 1500. The Rim Hub is 112.1 and the Truck is 77.8.
I havent found that exact Hubcentric Ring size. The closest ive seen is 112-78. Will that work?
You must have a Nissan? I just got some black Rhino wheels for my Titan. 77.8 to 112.1
I tried to find hub rings in that size but couldn’t find at any one that sold them. I did find a place that custom makes any size. US Wheel Adapters, LLC. $65. Hope this helps and good luck.
Hi I have a question should a hub centric ring tight or is it ok if its a little loose like for a few like for example OD-ID should be 64.1mm-54.1mm, the one I got is 63.4mm-54.1mm plastic. Thanks
Unfortunately it’s not the correct ring size and won’t ensure hubcentricity
So if I have lug centric wheels (most aftermarket wheels are) and they are balanced properly on a machine that uses the the lug centric mounting plate (not cone balancing), then I use a hub ring, would my wheel be out of balance?
Sorry we missed this. However the answer is no. The hub ring wouldn't have a negative effect in this case.
Bro my aftermarket allyos 5x114.3 how can i fiettd to 5x112
I bought a car with rims that didn't have centering rings and i was horrible on the highway. I 3d printed a set and shes smooth now.
Thats a win! way to go!
Have a Passat cc 2011 just got aftermarket bbs ch wheels and the guy I bought the wheels off got me to order these was he right lol
Does this include steel wheels? The research I've been doing has mixed results any info would be great! Thank you.
Steel wheels are usually bored to OEM sizes. So no rings for them.
WHERE CAN I GET THESE???? I have a 2004 GTO with American Racing Wheels. Do you know where to get the centering rings with the part that goes onto the studs to line them up also??? Thank you
Hi Steve, Not exactly sure what you're asking. However I think you're asking about spacers?
I hope you can share your insights.
So yesterday i went for wheel alignment and high speed balancing for my tires on black rhino shrapnel 20s. Tire size 265-50.
I am also using wheel spacers of 25mm.
So when driving around 70-100kms i feel vibration on the steering wheel and went for wheel alignment and high speed balancing.
So they told me that i should have a custom made hub rings and remove the wheel spacers for better stability and safety of course.
If I remove my wheel spacers and install the customized hub rings, do i need to do again wheel alignment and high speed balancing all over again now that the wheel spacers are removed? Please advise
Nope. If you install hub rings that will not effect your alignment or wheel balance as long as they truly balanced the wheels correctly.
@@konigwheels thank you so much🙏🏽please you and your family always stay safe and well.
@@konigwheels forgive me one more thing please. Wheel spacers or no wheel spacers? And just the hub rings? Or both wheel spacers and hub rings?
I have steel wheels that are not hub centric. Is it safe to put them on the car or will it put too much strain on the lug studs?
You may want to work with a local wheel and tire professional as there are a few factors here that are not all related to just the hub-rings. For example, making sure you're using the correct fastening hardware and etc. Without seeing the wheel. it can be tough to specifically advise.
I ordered 6x139.7 to 5x139.7 wheel adapters for my 20x14 -76 fuel wheels, the adapter has no hub lip on it though🤔 so it will just be the lug centric I guess? They told me these were the ones I would need for what I’m doing. And cost me 500$ so it better work 🤣
So you would have to speak to Fuel directly, however there are a few general ways you could go. 1, if the vibration isn't bad (its a truck so its probably fairly normal for you, then just try and center them the best you can using the conical lug seat. 2, even if the adapter doesn't have a lip (because its not a hubcentric adapter) you can probably have a machine shop turn some custom hub rings if you really wanted. You would just need to know the centerbore of your wheel, hub size of your truck and then the depth of the ring you'd want. All about what works best for you.
So my truck is 78.1 mm and the wheels I got are 72.6 can i make them fit
I have a set of wheels that need rings without the little lip on them. In other words I need flat hub rings. Do u know where I can find them? The wheels are enkei and not sold in NA and are 75mm.
Hey Omar, not exactly sure what you mean, however I'd give Enkei a ring or a message and see if they can tell you exactly what you need.
Do these not take serious pressure if you hit a hard bump ?? I would think that would cause a crack in these easily?
Nope. Remember that once a wheel is tightened to the car the hub ring doesn’t do anything. If the wheel was able to shift after tightened it’s not tight.
Do these work with wheel spacers that are hub centric that done have a centric ring for the wheel?
What size is the hub lip coming out of the spacer?
KONIG WHEELS USA my spacers that have the hub extension are the same hub size as oem 57.1mm
So if its there only for centering the wheel, would I be able to 3d print them instead of buying them if I need them quickly?
Yes just make sure you have the right sizes and depth of the ring
What do I do with aftermarket rims with push threw rim caps is it designed to work without hub rings s
Unfortunately most of the push through caps aren’t able to run a hubcentric ring. That is why you will see many of those wheels proclaim the wheel is “lugcentric”
So if I have a Type R, which is 64.1, and I want wheels that have a 73.1, how do I know what size I need?
73.1 to 64.1
i have volk rays TE37 large PCD, do i need hub centric ring?
If the centerbore of the wheels are not the same size as your hub then you should! I'm sure they can help you get the correct size! Thanks for watching and good luck!
I tried to put a Audi wheels on my Jetta 2013 and the center of the Audi wheels was bigger than Volkswagen. I find hubcentric to install them ?
Hey....good video and useful info...BUT..I disagree with your dismissal of "lugcentric" as an option...in my world i've run multiple vehicles without using rings...and had no issues..at all. no vibration or that "out of balance" feel....didnt happen....older Toyotas and Honda sedans or coupes for most part....I'm not racing my cars, but i do run up to 160 km per hour (100 mph) and more on occasion...no more than 180...but still...fast enough I dont want to have a shaking car....and I have never had a problem ...i do tend to use a high quality tire which cant hurt....typically im using dual purpose aftermarket mags, and conical lug nuts..so I guess ive been doing the "lugcentric" program...which in this video you dismiss as if it was not worth considering?? .....well im here to say that its been working fine for me...also, i recently was advised by a ring supplier (fairly large company actually) that lugcentric was fine....not that im agains spenind $50 or so and getting rings..but not commonly available here in Western Canada ...and it adds complexity to my shopping program, which is usually to buy used wheels...rather not have to worrry much about where to find rings....
Super appreciate your feedback and thoughts. It's not that you can't have a successful result using a tapered seat to center the wheel but there is room for error.
Thanks for this! Great vid! I am using an aftermarket center cap as the "hub ring". And I am experiencing slight steering wheel wiggles on speeds of 100 to 120km / hour.
The steering wheel also rotates left right or vice versa when i hit bumps. I have a negative 20 offset wrapped with bfg ko2s. Is replacing the center caps with hubcentric rings the solution to my problem? Or is it an effect of having a negative 20 offset?
Appreciate your inputs! Cheers!
Hi Jose, Centercaps never work in place of a hubring. So my guess is you dont have hubrings in your wheel now at all.
In miles please
Sounds like you need a proper balance and alignment.
If my hub is too big for the wheel, what can I do other than have the wheel hub bored out or sell the wheels?
Thats kind of it with the exception of may an adapter. But that would be a strange and custom adapter.
what size for my lancer ex 13model(RAYS 18s mags)
You'd want to contact Rays so they could inform you of their CB size.
do all after market wheels need hub rings?? I ordered wheels and the manufacture told me the wheels do not need hub rings, is that true? I purchased Vertini RFS 1.2 for my 2021 Acura NSX. I’m new to this stuff I ordered from Car ID.
You only need them if your car's hub bore size is different than the aftermarket wheel hub size. Your 2021 Acura NSX is 70.3 mm hub size so if the wheel has larger size that that you will need hub rings
so if the rims center bore is to small for my car can i get an adapter for them to fit?
Technically. Just do it safely.
I just bought aftermarket wheels with a center bore of 66.5 , my stock Infiniti m35 has center bore of 66.1. Does this difference matter? If so do they sell rings that small?
Hey Austin,
Technically it matters however there wouldn't be a ring that is that thin. Strange hub size for a 5x114.3 wheel. Usually that is on 5x112 wheels.
@@konigwheels I have the size difference going from 14 Nissan Alt hub 66.1mm to Audi A4 wheels 66.5mm. Any suggestions on how to fill the gap?
I have Rota Weels 16x7 for mi 96 civic. What is the hub center ringn I need?
You would need to contact Rota to find out what centerbore they used.
I bought wheels and tires from a well known national tire shop. The never installed hub rings. It rode lide crap. Took it to them multiple times and they never even thought it could be lack of hub rings. I told my girlfriend to take it back for a 3rd time and finally someone there considered it was due to lack uf hub rings. It rode super smooth after that. I just got new set of tires put on and its vibrating again just like it did when there where no hub rings. Did the tech forget to install them? We will find out. Waiting for them to open now.
We always recommend letting your wheel/tire professional know about your hub rings before they do work on your vehicle. Let us know how it goes! If you have your hub rings on your new wheel/tire setup, you should be good to go on the hub-centric side.
Everytime I buy my lexanis from audiocity they come with hub rings included
Each companies distribution model is going to be different. We never know what car they are for especially since much of the time the wheels come from a specific dealer and not us directly.
If the rings are custom made is it better to make them by steel for more strength (or stainless steel) than aluminium?
It’s a good question. Personally if I were using a aluminum wheel I would prefer the aluminum hub ring.
Hey thanks for video
One question
How I can measure 📏 ring size
I feel it’s 70mm but not sure where should I start measuring ? On the edge of rim or don’t know how to explain
Can you explain please I have Honda civic 2019 64.1mm need to find my rim hub size
The diameter of the center bore of the wheel. Use digital calipers to measure in MM.
If it's a factory wheel, you should be able to just google it as well.
Keep in mind, when buying Hub Rings, the size will feature two measurements- one for your vehicles hub, and one for your wheel's center bore.
@@konigwheels thank you for reply
Yes I got the right measurement from the wheel seller Website it’s says 72.56 mm
So can I use 72mm - 64.1 mm Honda civic
Or need need same 72.56 mm
I was told by the dealership to not use hub rings comboed with wheels that are not perfect fit for my vehicle since it's dangerous. Is that true to a degree?
I THINK, you're referring to spacers or adapters and not hub rings.
Just installed rings. Went for a test drive and the 2 from rims felt hot (fwd) but the rear wheels did not. Is this normal?
Brakes are stronger up front so when you brake more heat is made upfront
I'm thinking of buying aluminum hub rings over plastic ones. Wise choice?
So its obviously a personal decision. If you do a lot of track time then its really your choice. If you don't, for normal use, plastic will ensure corrosion buildup between the metals doesn't occur.
@@konigwheels thanks Konig. You're the best !
Can lug nuts affect on causing any vibration??
YES! If you're not using the correct lug nuts for the wheels not only could it cause vibration, but it could cause wheel damage and could be unsafe. This is primarily referring to using the incorrect lug nut seat.
Help. Can a hub centric ring be used on those black steel wheels..like winter rims? Thanks in advance
I don't believe that steelies have a cutout for the wheel's centerbore like traditional wheels do. However, inspect the wheel, and if it does, you'll need to determine the size.
@@konigwheels thanks. One more question. Can Steelies froma 2015 accord accord v6 coupe fit on a 2019 accord touring?
Where can you go to get the size of hub ring you would need?
You need to know the size of your vehicles hub and the centerbore of the wheel. If its one of our wheels then just tell us which wheel and what car you have!
I can't get center caps (with built in hub centric rings) that fit my car. So I either have to run lugcentric or no center caps. Which one would you do? I don't like the corrosion build up and the possible unneeded where to my bearings of not running a center cap.
Does your center cap insert into the back of the wheel instead of the front?
@@konigwheels nevermind. The discount tire guys were too smoothbrain to figure out you need to remove the hubcentric ring before you try to slide centering caps in despite me leaving them detailed written notes to do that.
@@final3119 That's odd. So the center caps need to be tightened down before wheel mounting? Very stange. Glad to hear you got it sorted!
@@konigwheels they’re hubcentric center caps. Slide through the back, pop wheel on hub. Wedsport, not konigs. Just a bad misunderstanding from the shop as i previously but rings on before i got the caps delivered
@@final3119 interesting, that's a less-common design for sure. Because it's not our wheel, we can't be sure of the design as it's most likely proprietary.
Does the rings need to be replaced after a while?
As long as the ring is not damaged then no you don't have to replace them.
If my original size is 54.1mm ( 2020 corolla le ) and I am buying a set of rims that are 72.1mm, do I need rings that are 54.1-72.1? Also,
Are aluminum alloy better, or plastic?
I've heard mixed opinions...
Thanks for your time!
Yes. You would be looking for hub rings with an outer diameter (OD) of 72.1mm (wheel's centerbore), and an inner diameter (ID) of 54.1mm (vehicle hub size).
As far as plastic vs metal, we actually did a short video specifically about this on our channel if you want a full breakdown. Essentially though, we recommend plastic for 99% of people, metal are really for people who are taking their car to the track and experience high braking temps. Plastic works just fine for this.
@@konigwheels thankyou so much for your time and the info!
lol i always use them i dont even debate it i like being hubcentric and lug centric
If you put aftermarket wheels that do not sit correctly on the hub than IT IS A SAFETY ITEM !. it's not only for the purpose of centering your wheel. the main purpose is that the weight of the car does not sit on the studs but on the hub ! the second purpose is to center the wheel to eliminate vibration. i speak out of personal experience as the studs litteraly broke of when the whole family was in the car. you can find more accidents of this on the internet.. so please people .. it is a safety issue .. if your rims do not fit snug on the hub center. BUY HUB CENTRIC RINGS ! just be sure to get the right size !
I race my car hard for an entire year; never had studs break. Transmission broke 4th though :-)
So if my car is a 67.1mm and the wheels I have Are 60.7mm center bore then what size what I need to get
Nothing. Unless you messed up on your numbers you would need to have the centerbores of the wheels opened to at least 67.1
@@konigwheels ok just making sure cause my wheels came of a Camry which the center bore was smaller it was I believe like 60 something and I tried to put them on my old civic and they wouldn’t got over the bore on the car
@@konigwheels but I drive a Mazda cx3 which the center bore on the car is 67.1 and the wheels are smaller then that on the bore
@@konigwheels so I have to have the center bore stretched out
I mean vibration at high speeds is a safety feature.
Yeah it’s pretty important to have vibrations at high speeds, unlike brakes and steering. Brakes and steering are kind of like an accessory, they’re not important and don’t have a role in the safety of your motor vehicle.
What if the the rims I want to put the bore is 7 mm smaller ? My car is 67.1 and the rims I want to put on it are 60.1 what should I do ? Please help with some advice anyone
Hi Andy. Unfortunately there is really only one way to fix this correctly and then another way which we can’t advise to do. Correct way would be find a machine shop that can open the centerbores for you. The way we can endorse is that technically if you had the room to run a spacer or an adapter that had a hub bore of your size and was hubcentric to 60.1 you could make it work. Just remember you have to ensure you use a spacer or an adapter that has a set of studs in it to ensure proper thread engagement (check our video on it if you don’t know what that is) and you need to have the room to use it safely as it will push the wheel outbound. I’d recommend seeking help from a wheel and tire pro to ensure they can help you safely.
@@konigwheels wow thanks for that reply God bless you guys ❤️
My hub is 70.3 MM my wheels bore 70.5 its OK 0.2 différence ?
rings are cheap, minds as well get the perfect ones
Are you sure? That’s an odd combo. However you may not have a choice. There isn’t going to be a ring that is that small.
Good luck finding a ring thinner than paper...
just put a couple of layers of duct tape
how do you know what size hub ring do I need?
It would go by the wheel you have and the car you have. You find out what the centerbore of the wheel is and then the hub size of your car and BOOM!
@@konigwheels I didn’t knew it was for the wheel I trew mine away both of them i thought it was something to protect the wheel 🤦🏾
Is there a standard clearance amount from the ring to the hub (if someone made one on a lathe)? The outer should be the same size as the inner of the wheel diameter, but how much should it have clearance to the hub? 2mm in diameter, etc.? I guess I'll be checking mine when I put the wheels back on my car in a couple weeks. The wheels are made for the car, but I've never measured them (and never felt any wobble or vibration).
Basin Motorsports if they were mustang specific wheels there is a good chance they would have been drilled to match. You’d want it to be exact. However we’d strongly recommend plastic rings l. With the metal rings you would really want to take into account the hub condition and exact size
Are the hub Centering ring taking some weight of the car.
I think you're asking if hub rings are actually supporting the weight of the vehicle. The answer to that is no. Once the wheel is tightened down, they do nothing.
@@konigwheels thanks very much from Mexico
If you have conical lug nuts (or lug studs in the case of most German manufacturer vehicles) what is the purpose of a hubcentric ring? I have used your 15x7.5 Hypergrams and now your 15x9 (autocross) and 15x10 (track) Dekagrams on my Miata for aggressive driving for years with conical lugnuts and no centric ring with no issue. Doesn't the nature of the conical lug nut automatically center the wheel and prevent this elipitical shaped rotation of the wheel? Between my street, autocross, and track wheels I probably swap my wheels over 100 times a summer (not an exaggeration) and I've never had a wheel that didn't didn't sit center on the hub... Am I missing something when it comes to hubcentric rings?
Hi Alex, So what you're describing is what people refer to as "lug-centric". And in your situation it appears to be good enough. However, hub-centric is black and white. On some vehicles even the smallest of variance can lead to vibration. You're an extremely light weight wheel. However on cars that may have heavier, larger wheels, gravity could create enough of a difference between the tapered seat and the wheel seat that when the wheel is bolted down its not perfectly centric. This is especially true when you consider that many wheels will have a 16mm lug hole and 12-14mm studs / bolts and mounting hardware varies as far as the length of their tapered seat. So there is ability for the wheel to get secured when its position is closer to one part of the hub than the other. Hub rings are such a cheap item that throwing a set in is just assurance that the wheel will always be perfectly centered before fastening. Again, it's not a structural or safety item so if you don't have issues then you're good.
Is if I tighten the lug nuts in steps and in the correct torque pattern why do I need hubcentric rings? This tire rack artical says it's either hubcentric OR lug centric works. blog.tirerack.com/blog/turk-t/hub-centric-vs-lug-centric-wheel-fitments
Hey Rossco! Thanks for your comment. So the basic answer is exactly what we said around 1:28 in the video. Lug-centric will get you close, however, due to a few variables it is still not a sure thing. Using the properly sized hub-ring is really the only way to ensure this. Using the tapered seat of the wheel and the lugnut to get the wheel perfectly centered will get you close but not always 100%. As described in our video, hub-centric is black and white, getting close can still sometimes leave you with vibration. The one takeaway with this whole thing is that a hub-centric ring is not a safety item. So it's really about the vibration and etc. If you are lug-centrically installing wheels and feel any vibration that annoys you, get hub rings! Hope that helps answer your question!
So my question is are konig rims lug or hub centric
You didn’t watch the video. Haha. But you would use a hubring.
@@konigwheels so they can be balanced from the hub
I’ll never understand the argument of NOT using some kind of rim-supporting hardware like a hub-centric ring or using appropriately sized center bore wheels. The physics blows the argument out of the water
We're right there with you. It's a very simple tool that ensures you're hub-centric EVERY TIME.... and they're cheap.
I wouldn’t say they’re not a safety item, I mean most of the weight goes on the hub. The lug nuts just keep them rim fastened to the rotor. The lug nuts will snap after time if there’s no hub centric ring on the wheels because the lug nuts are not designed to hold the weight of the car
Hub-centric rings are not a safety item. The hub ring itself holds no weight. Once the wheel is tightened the clamping force is all from the lugnuts / lug bolts through the studs and then onto the hub. Also keep in mind with the majority of the correct installation hardware the lugnuts are going to get the wheel some what. That is where that term "lugcentric" comes from. However even being off a bit can produce vibration. Thanks for watching the video!!
I agree, I feel like they play a safety role in protecting ur studs
The hub center bears no load. The part of your hub and wheel assembly that bears the most load is the mating surface between the wheel and the brake rotor. Your lugs and lugstuds (or lugbolts) Will always be subjected to a shear force from the weight of the car. But that force is almost completely negligible. For my silverado 2500hd, I’ve been running lugcentric wheels for over 3 years/ 75,000 miles and never had an issue with vibrations. For an 8 bolt pattern with m14x1.5 studs, at 150 ft lbs, the total clamp load is theoretically 131000 lbs. The truck weighs 5600 lbs (yes it is gutted and on a massive diet) with a 70/30 weight distribution. So, at max, a single lug stud (on the front where the vehicle is heaviest) will be subjected to a 1840 lbf with normal driving. But even then, there are 7 other lugs dissipating the load. According to basic machine design, bolts with threaded holes or nuts, at a specific preload, make an assembly become a single part. The lugs and lug studs do not bear all the load, because if they did, your wheel and hub would fail almost immediately. there is a massive clamping force and frictional force between the wheel and the hub. My brake rotors are cast iron and assuming the cast iron is totally smooth (but it’s not, it has little macroscopic ridges) with a static coefficient of friction of 1.1, the force required to get the entire wheel to shift from center would be a 144,100 lbf. The only time your wheel may see a force like that is in a head on collision at over 45 mph.
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I'm having alot of vibrations
If you have aftermarket wheels without hubcentric rings, this could be the issue.
The weight of the vehicle is actually supported by the friction between the wheel and its mounting surface on the axle not the hub so yes, if there is an over bore on aftermarket wheels that is lug centric the lugs will center on the hub. If by your claim the lugs can’t center the wheel perfectly so then if the wheel is centered on the hub it wouldn’t line up to the lugs.
Centering with lugs/studs, you can be out of round measuring with dial on tire. I know first hand, .085" out with a shake. Never seen it with factory wheels but aftermarket and have only had it with one set of wheels.
Can we use hub ring to make 72.6 mm to 66. 6 ??
If your wheel is 72.6 and your car is 66.6 then yes there should be a hub centric ring for those sizes.
Discount tire told me I dont need them. WTF!
Unless it’s the right fit then no, if not then yes
What car and what wheel?
" You the consumer absolutely should be using hub centering rings. We do not supply them." !?!? WTF What would all 3 sizes cost to ship, like other suppliers do ?? Less than $10. You advise to go somewhere else to order a $2.00 part. Yeah .... I did.
Hi Mark. Thanks for the comment. There are a bunch of different hub sizes but let’s say there are only 20. Hypothetically let’s say the cost is 2$ per set. (It’s more but just to keep things simple). Do you want your wheel to cost $40 more so 160 per set just so your retailer doesn’t have to add a set to your order when you purchase?
Dude you missed the #1 point of hub rings. The hub is made to support the weight of the vehicle, not the studs & lug nuts, they are designed to hold the wheel on the car, nothing else. It's incredible unsafe to not have hub rings when needed. You need to change this video ASAP....
Thanks for the comment, unfortunately you're incorrect. The clamping stress and clamping force between the wheel in the hub which is materialized by the mounting hardware is what holds the wheel to the vehicle. Some vehicles have hub protrusions as small as 6mm, that in no way would ever bare the weight of a vehicle's corner.
@@konigwheels Negative, I'm a Toyota MDT and as I said, the lug nuts & studs are not designed to support the weight of the vehicle...please do you're research
@@konigwheels Also, every vehicle has a hub, it doesn't matter how deep it is. The weight is distributed evenly around the circumference. The hub supports the vehicles weight....
I need help understanding this.
The way I see it, cone-shaped lug nuts center the wheel around the studs. METAL lug nuts are going to overpower a PLASTIC ring and put the wheel right where they want it. Plastic is not going to put up much of a fight.
I agree that a ring is convenient to get things positioned "close" before tightening the nuts.
If the lug nuts were flat rather than cone shaped, absolutely, you'd need a ring. But cone-shaped nuts are going to position the wheel exactly where they want, period.
I'm a very simple man, please talk to me like I'm 6 and explain why I'm wrong.
I'm only 3 1/2, so please dumb it down further for me. None of 4 trailer tires are hubcentric, but they all have tapered (acorn) lug nuts that self center the rim to the hub.
why I can't I use hub rings on steel wheels?
Who said that? If they have the pad thickness for them and the center bore is larger than your hub, you could.