VP9 Update
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- čas přidán 21. 04. 2021
- Little update on the VP9. Nothing crazy. I did fire 8 year old Golden sabers that have been in magazines. They shot just fine. The HKparts 18 round mag failed to lock the slide back so that's a thing. More testing on that never, because ammo is hard to find. Maybe in like 6 years.
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My USP will go with me over the beach. Haven't looked back since getting mine. Every other handgun just feels like an attempt. The USP feels like a solution.
i do love me some usp
Totally agree with your points on suppressor use. Adding a can is a factor that most people dont consider but totally changes the dynamic on how a gun can shoot and your overall enjoyment of shooting that gun.
Damn you! Ever since I started watching your videos, my bank account looks smaller.
Happy to help.
He has that effect! Ha
love your content! Don't love how my wallet cries cause of you, not cause of HK, though i wish LOL. Bought a Glock model 45 for EDC a year ago and the times are tough with ammo and gun availability so i scooped up another Glock 45, some more magazines and some ammo for decent pricing. Your rule of having backups (why I bought another same model gun) resonates so hard in todays times bro. Especially when shits so hard to get your hands on without giving up your first child. Hopeful for stability and ammo prices comes down so i can train more with live range ammo. Stay safe and keep the content coming!!
I enjoy my VP9. I bought what I could afford. Bought the Volk😅swagen because I couldn’t afford the Porsche.
Enjoyed you take on the VP9.
I’ve been watching your “shit” which is why I have HK45, 45c, p30L p30sk and HKVP9 on order(owned 2nbut sold couple years ago😬) so reordered 1 (17 rounder) plus a “Blue label” G19 Gen 5 that I couldn’t pass up promo in Oct.
Keep it coming!
Thanks man.
Good vid, enjoying your stuff (which I just recently found looking for a LEM install video).
Fair points on this not being military “go to war” gun. Which guns fit that criteria in your opinion? USP? Glock, since plenty of high speed dudes took those into combat?
I never bothered to notice if my spring was red or not I shot 850 rounds through mine mostly 115 grain never had an issue shoots great.Will the Red fade away from the spring ?I don't see red on mine
Hi navyman so what is your ultimate 'go to war' pistol and why.
Thanks
I would be a little nervous to drop my VP9 in a mud puddle, but I shoot it better than any other striker fired pistol.
Dont drop it in the mud. If your dropping it your probably not going to recover from that mistake anyways just saying.
Yea mud points are pointless. Sand maybe because sand get some in everywhere. However there are plenty of videos showing vp9’s Working flawlessly from muddy water and under water. Unlike the MAC tests, these other videos don’t use editing or cuts and aren’t being sponsored by other companies.
I have the bronze one like yours..Got rid of it , then bought it back..Love that gun..
I like having the two I have, the Bronze is definitely a keeper.
Is that a solem tool extension? What are your thoughts on those? Do they give you new springs or do you use the old ones? I'm just a little worried that a spring meant for say, 10 rounds might run into reliability issues if I extend the capacity.
It's an HKparts +3 complete magazine (18 round). I like it for the VP9, but it doesn't fit into the P30's for some reason. I did a video on it before. I like them. But this one gave me problems on this outing. I have had it loaded for a long time and I'm not sure why it didn't lock the slide back this time. I tested it at the house and these were all 124gr+p Golden sabers so....not sure.
So what pistols other than glock 17 do you recommend for war use. Just curious about your picks. Also I'm having a problem with my VP9 trigger dragging. I've taken it apart and did a detail cleaning and still same trigger problem. Out the box trigger was great but after about 1800 rounds the trigger is terrible. Any ideas what it can be? Maybe just buy a new trigger and trigger bar assembly
9mm GTW guns for me are a G17, P226, Beretta 92 series, P30/P30L or USP9.
As far as the trigger dragging that's interesting. I've never seen or experienced that issue. I wonder if it's misaligned or dragging against a part of the frame. I would send it in to HK or James Williamson. The VP9 is like a swiss watch to work on. I don't have an issue working on the USP or P30 but the VP9 is a different animal.
I agree that the VP9 isn't as bomb proof as the USP or p30, but HK is sending VP9s to Ukraine so they must be at least somewhat combat ready. I got a VP9SK last month and so far I have ~1500 rounds through it, no cleaning, and I haven't had a single issue (besides the 15 round magazines failing to lock back the slide). They're definitely reliable guns for 99% of situations (even special forces).
Dude. I put a comp on my p30l. Threaded barrel comp mounts via thread. Now it wont cycle any ideas? Lighter spring or hotter loads?
Yup, probably hotter loads. I don't use comps personally, I've only fired a few. But if it's not cycling, you need hotter stuff.
@@navyman8903 You legend. So dont bother with snipping the recoil spring? The comp is pretty big. Its custom made looks like wicks one...what anno would you suggest? Is plus p ok with p30l?
What do you suggest as a good silencer host? What features or characteristics make a gun a good silencer host?
Beretta 92, Sig p226, hk usp, 1911s. Things that make a pistol a great suppressor host is that it doesnt blow carbon into your face (imagine getting campfire smoke into your eyes. That's basically what it feels like. Not fun), lockup time (this reduces chamber pop which adds unnecessary noise to the gunshot), reliability (guns get dirtier quicker suppressed. Can your gun still cycle reliably after getting all fouled up during the entire range session)
I agree with @Gun Dae , he hit the nail on the head. All of those are great suppressor hosts. I'm also looking into how the P30/P30L perform suppressed and the HK45 is also a great suppressor host. But the Beretta 92, SIG P226, USP series (also the MARK 23) and a quality forged 1911 are the go to's for pistols.
Ok, I missed the 4 free mag VP9 promo 😢 skimming through HKPRO, and saw the VP9 (after 2020) has the same drainage holes in the striker channel as the SFP9-M. The VP9 is also more robust than the SFP9 to handle +p ammo.
Do you have lock back issues and how did you correct it. I had that issue but bought the steel captured guide rod and it worked for a while but sometimes it works. Mine was the original 15 round magazines. I recently purchased the 17 round magazines and it work for a bit off and on. Is it because the firearm was designed for 124gr ammo? I use more 115gr ammo for the range. Other than that no malfunctions. BTW I have a VP9sk as well but had no issues.
Willing to bet like most people even if you don't realize it, your riding the slide release
@@andog6092 I agree but on mine it did it one handed shooting, two handed, mind you no feed issues. Also ordered different recoil spring from HK Parts and still happens. I recently shot the newer optic ready version and had no issues. Will be picking up the newer version.
My VP9SK is my best friend. Bet the VP9 is just as great.
Never liked that twisted wire spring that loops around in the mag well on the right (?) side . Just looks like a problem waiting to happen . I don't even know what it does , but it's a stupid place to put it .
Part of me wants to drill a maritime drain port in the firing pin channel lol. Also field stripping it the firing pin sleeve is super bendy and needs to be replaced by a aluminum one. Just got a 2014 like new LE one as my first handgun for a good deal.
Have you shot the walther pdp? I would love to hear your opinions on it.
I have not had the opportunity to yet, but I'm trying to get a hold of one to take for a test drive.
is it as reliable as beretta m9?
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Awww...those were the days.
*looks reluctantly at his Wolf steel 9mm*
Yeah man. These are hard times.
So, apparently I can’t share a link to the new vp9/sfp9 optics ready match in 9mm that’s was released today, here in Europe. But, I was wondering if you had seen it. It can be found on the European Hk site. Again, it’s called sfp9 or match
Oooooooo interesting. Let me shoot over there.
where do you carry the VP9 for CC and which holster do u use?
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@@navyman8903 Looks nice! Are you mainly AIWB? Appreciate ur hard work and enjoy all ur videos.
It's January, 2023
Sometime ago, Alabama arsenal put a Hkvp9sk through a torture test. They put it in mud, sand, and submerged it in water. It passed the test by continuing to fire.
Then, they ran the gun over with a chevy silverado, it continued to function and shoot. Then they shot the vp with a shotgun round twice! It looked like hell but was still functional and shootable !
Plenty good enough for me 👍
Yeah, I just saw that video the other day. I already have a P30, so the VP9 bug is catching me.
Really think a VP9 with NATO pressure ammo would fare better in MAC's infamous VP9 test today.
They all have 40 cal recoil springs in them, even the 9mm ones. While a VP9 might not be exactly be Glock level, a properly lubricated one (something I doubt MAC did) with NATO pressure 9mm would fare as well as a Beretta 92.
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I have a hk p30L
Also, all the best.
@@michaelphillips5786 when you collect enough p30 magazines... the VP9 bug bites.
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Highly recommend the vp9, I have the vp9sk and am considering adding the regular vp9 . Check Colion Neuar, review of both vp9s and the special Edtion one he sells ?
Do you think that military use should default to a hammer fired gun? Or a 45?
I prefer hammer guns for military use honestly, but there are some strikers that get it done. The G17 is one of them.
Yes to both hammer fired and .45!
45 does better in ball ammo then non hollow tip 9mm. Unless the military can start using hollow tips, they are gonna have the same issues that made them switch to 45 before. I heard from a few special forces people, that outside of the navy and some delta who choose 9mm,45 is still king
Which SureFire light is that on your pistol?
Surefire XC1. Not their best offering. But you don't get stabbed in the junk with it either.
What made you change your mind? A few years ago when you responded to MAC’s review you say that the VP9 isn’t something HK threw together cheaply. That it was a real HK. Alabama Arsenal did a torture test and review of the VP9SK where it performed really well - I’d say beyond basic military standards.
Just curious what changed your mind about the gun exactly?
IT is a real HK and it does run. I don't think it meets the military requirement. But if you take care of it, it'll run and I've run it harder than some. But I have other platforms that are more robust I would use in that role.
I guess I trust my VP9 more than you because I would use it for everything. I did end up removing the charging assist ears and replacing the backplate with a solid aluminum one. Much cleaner sight picture.
As I had commented before, I got rid of all my VP9s. I’ve read that some of my concerns were addressed with the 2020 update. I don’t know if it’s true. I REALLY liked my VP9 but never really trusted it. There are three used ones locally on the shelf, calling my name. My P30 has lots of extra mags so why not? But do I trust it?
Trying to get all-important CZcams reviewer opinions and this old video pops up.
I'll have to look into that. Let me get back to you.
@@navyman8903 🤙🏻
Absolutely super duper dig that bronze slide. I’m all about special or other than black firearms. I really can’t believe I currently don’t own an HK and I’ve never owned a VP9. I really need to fix that and am serious about a gray or OD green frame VP9. This review didn’t help me fight the bug for a new gun either so thanks for that 😂. If you were going to only buy 1 which would it be a full size vp9 or the subcompact? If I get one I’d like it to be something I carried and not just something for the range once in awhile.
Thanks for the update and response ahead of time.
Rick
Happy to do it, and my buddy has an ODG VP9 that I lust over. ODG is my favorite color. My HK45T in ODG holds me over but I really like that color. I prefer the VP9 full size. But the VP9SK is a surprisingly smooth shooter for a sub compact pistol. It shoots as smooth as the full size. I would say, depending on what you're missing/need at the moment. If you're sitting deep in the full size pistols, then the subcompact is the move. But I really love the full size.
I thought my VP9 was perfect until I felt the grips on a Walther PDP. I need a way to get that texture on my VP9!
That's exactly how I felt as well. The red dot readiness and trigger of the pdp is a sweet kiss of joy too.
The vp9 maritime has been and is used by German special operations units and various military's , and police departments around the world.
If it's good enough for them, it's good enough for me..
Do you have a maritime model?
What about the VP9 makes it a bad choice for military application?
What makes a good choice for military application? Seems largely, militaries don’t use much handgun other than SOCOM guys. And those guys seem to prefer Glocks.
I don’t own a VP9 anymore. I did shoot one for a bit. About 20,000 rounds on the main one. It did fine. But I realized the fatal flaw of the pistol that would disqualify it for me from CCW or LE use.
What fatal flaw was that? And they are getting into glocks, they're not issued but approved. The TEAM guys also still carry other guns like the P226. The last deployment the SEAL team out of VA had P226's on their hips. It takes a long ass time to get the guns out there. The Marine Recon team also had 1911s still lol.
@@navyman8903
I read the story of an officer that was in a physical altercation and ended up on his back. He drew his pistol to find a dead trigger, round in the chamber without a primer strike.
He attempted to smack the butt on the ground and it was easy to replicate. I tried it on my own VP9s (I had six at the time) and all had the same issue except the SK. I traded them for P30s.
My neighbor was SF and he was issued a G19 when the rest of the Army was getting M9s. My business partner was in MARSOC for a hot minute and he expected 1911s and found G19s, which pissed him off as a Glock hater.
There is a surprising number of Glocks. Myself, I don’t care much about what I’m shooting so long as it works. Hell, these days the P320 is being used to a large extent. And I’m not so sure those are durable or reliable to be honest.
@@graynotescartridgebox Thanks for the feedback. We were supposed to get M18's but they haven't showed up yet. IDK if the Navy trusts them yet. I'm still rocking a P228.
@@navyman8903 no problem and me either, I’d as soon keep an old P series if it’s proven itself.
@@graynotescartridgebox not sure im following what you're saying, so feel free to let me know if I misunderstand, but are you saying the vp9 doesnt fire if its pointed upwards? i.e the gravity is working against the slide? I can dry fire it just fine pointing upwards. I even just tried aggressively pushing it up, seeing if I can get the slide to move out of battery, seems like it stays put most of the time, and when it doesnt, it quickly moves back into battery.
In your P30 collection, do you prefer LEM or da/sa?
The P30 series I prefer the V3 non safety. The LEM isn't bad, but I like the LEM in the USP/HK45 series much more.
@@navyman8903 Agree the usp LEM is much better.
Could you do a 9mm video on the best can host out of your collection?
Out of my collection TODAY, I would say it would be between the USP9 SD and P226. But I have a few things planned. I'm also picking up a few rugged cans for pistols coming up. So I'm going to test it out. Going to take a long time to get there, but I will get there one day.
Do you ever run into the issue of the slide not locking back?
Yes, but it's because of where my strong hand thumb is. I've had to adjust my grip when running this or the P226.
@@navyman8903 thanks!
Did you see that HK just released the 17 round kits to convert the 15 round mags?
Yes, it makes my bank account, and all of these 15 rounders I have happy.
@@navyman8903 still have the half dozen Taylor Freelance bases, so I'm not diving in on the HK20s yet
I'm a Glock fan boy and I sold my G19 gen 5 to get a Vp9 and I don't regret it.
Bought a VP9, ranged it 3x and sold it. I had countless FTEs with premium ammo. Tried detailed cleaning, lube, etc. The FTEs were random usually one every other mag. Very odd situation, I have never experienced. Possibly a factory issue as I have fired countless firearms without this kind of issue.
Was it 115gr? If you got a model that had the blue spring it needed a lot of 124gr or 124+p to break it in.
@@navyman8903 I tried variant grain same issue. The issue persisted even with different mags. I don’t recall the spring color.
Proof 19 does worse than 17? Not doubting, just a concerned user. Subbed for 10/10 MAC diss and expert use of South Park clip
There's a lot of videos on youtube of people trying to prove their 19 can do over the beach tests and it doesn't make it. You can also see, MAC himself never did a G19 torture test (I almost vomited invoking his name) But there's a reason for that. The 19's are by no means trash and a lot of my buddies carry them. But the 17 just does better and the lockup is more solid if you press on the breach when it's closed up. I'll try to do a video on that. I don't want to spam you with youtube videos, which you should also take with a grain of salt.
@@navyman8903 be careful the Glock crew will be out in force!😂 I own, shoot, and carry19’s and I know from personal experience they aren’t failure proof so you are spot on. Still a great gun but everyone needs to understand it is still a mechanical thing and it can fail or break. Unlike my 1911’s which are perfect 😂. Hopefully everyone knows that was a joke.
Rick
MAC? You mean Tim "I Get No Kickbacks When You Use My Code" Harmsen?
@@johngalt234 "Guys please donate to my Patreon so I can personally own one of literally every firearm ever produced"
@@TacticalAccountants "...just so I can make more tax write offs because I created an LLC a long time ago for my channel."
1. It just so happens that your name is Tactical Accountants. Perfect timing.
2. I don't know if more people would be pissed if they knew how that arrangement worked. Have a hobby? Create an LLC so all your expenses on that hobby are a write off.
What holster do you use?
There's a few. I have a g code for concealed carry (with and without light), a kydex belt holster I forgot who made and safariland makes a holster for the VP9 also.
Sweet thanks. I have a kydex one for concealed, but was looking for another one. The one I have seems to be wearing the shit out of the finish on mine. Thanks for the videos keep it up....I luvs me some HK!!!
Great Video Bro. Sold mine just didn’t feel like it was built like a tank as the USP or P30 or even a glock. Never failed me but just wasn’t 100% comfortable carrying it. To each there own. Keep up the great work my friend.
It definitely feels the least HK of the HK's in my inventory. I sold some of the VP9's off and kept these two. I'm not selling them, but I'm not buying any more of them either.
@@navyman8903
I'm going to respectfully disagree on the vp series build quality. In the striker fired handgun world, I think it's outstanding. I own glock 19x, 29, Sig p320xc, m&p 2.0 9mm, and Walther pdp's. Striker fired guns in generall have a different vibe and feel. I also have a Hkp30l for comparison. Anyway in terms of fit, finish, build quality, the Hk and walther pdp series seem a step or two above the brand's I mention in this reply, with the exception of the Hk p30l lem(none striker). The Sig p320 is the sidearm of the US military, and they take that to war.
Sorry, I don't believe that the p320 is a better gun or more reliable than the Hkvp. Just my two cents. Fan of the channel for sure 👍
So what is your concealed carry?
VP9 and G17 based on conditions/who I'm with.
@@navyman8903 why you no carry p30l?
@@Aaronaku I used to, it's a good carry gun for a full size pistol. I might start doing it again.
@@navyman8903 Same.
HK45 Suppressed... thoughts?
Excellent suppressor host. More on that when I get 45 can.
I love shooting it suppressed. The only sort of con so far is that shooting it with one hand on distant targets is a bit unwieldy. Or maybe I just need more arm strength lol
so why not for military use? just curious
Just not built the same as the other HKs. The open portion in the rear of the back plate and the force of the lockup. Not the lockup itself. Just the RSA driving it forward into battery.
It’s not a contract gun like the rest of HK’s are. Most likely built with target shooters in mind.
“Shhhh” from wedding crashers?
Picked up my gray frame VP9 when HK was doing the mail in for 4 free mags, total no brainer. It's the night stand gun with a x300 on it and meps on top. Picked up the VP9sk in midnight bronze and just too worried about the finish to actually carry it. I guess that's just a collectors piece for me right now. When I'm introducing newer shooters to handguns at the range the VP9 is the one I have them try and it's always the one they like the most.
Ain’t no beating that grip
It is very excellent
I done sold my vp9’s, kinda wish I didn’t do that lol. Now I have a brand new long slide that I can’t use.
I sold my Grey frame and long slide. I just didn't shoot them as much. I kinda miss them, but also not really. If I was super well to do I would have kept them, but it financed other projects and I kept 2 VP9's. Win win.
@@navyman8903 if I can’t find a frame for it or a reasonably priced vp9, I’ll probably sell the slide.
With all the p30 magazines I own, I'm tempted to buy a VP9 tactical. HK seems too think the VP9 is worth selling to militaries, think Japan swapped their sidearm out for a SFP 9. Then again it's Japan and they're testing their equipment in combat.
Idk if Japan is active in any theater because of their defense force requirements. But I have no doubt they tested them before adoption. The VP9 is a great shooter.
@@navyman8903 looks like they (Japanese) got the SFP9 Maritime version. 🙄... no chance HK will ever release a VP9 Maritime version for the US.
@@MrSmith-zy2bp I would much prefer the maritime version.
@@navyman8903 What's so special about the Maritime VP9?
@@jakesoros2376 internal spring cups and things to help protect against water intrusion.
HK: give them a striker gun. ME: give me a HK hammer gun WITH AN OPTIC CUT. Jeez. It's time.
The USP and P30 were designed in times when optics for pistols not existed. Redesigning them for optics may cost to much to be economical viable in times when 96% of semi auto pistols sold are striker fired. HK has huge inertia for improvment when its money on the line. They bankrupted more times then I can count. And yes the USP is the best semi auto. Period 😁
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I hear HK is coming out with a micro compact..🤔
That's been the rumor for years and the posts claiming it are showing a Springfield blueprint for a hellcat.
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Yeah, I'm not surprised to hear that it's most likely not very accurate information.
I think it would smart for hk to come out with a micro.
Anyway, I was fortunate enough to purchase a new Hk usp 9 v7 the other day. The build quality seems outstanding, and I'm super pumped to shoot her tomorrow..
Oh Hi!
Hk hammer fired guns with safety just suck in the trigger department compared to the sig 220,226, 227, 229. Rather have a DA pull than a freakin safety. HkVP9 is a great shooter. Glock 17 gen 5 with a sight swap or 19x is still top for me.
Hk makes combat handguns, they make guns that go bang everytime. Every person bitches when they dry fire my p30. When they actually shoot it, they love it
The VP9 is a paradox for me. It works great, excellent capacity, ambi controls, Etc. It should check every box, for some reason it doesn't. I compare it to the USP and it just feels crappy. It honestly feels closer to a Canik quality wise than a Glock. Just doesn't feel like a pistol HK should have their Initials on.
I get that feeling a little also but not to the degree you're describing. It's a great shooter and I love it for what it is. But I can't use it for everything confidently. Despite the surprise bad weather that got it all wet and sandy, which it shook off. Never had a malfunction or stoppage and they've always been great shooters in my hands. I guess the other hammer guns have spoiled me?
I've held a Canik TP9 in one hand and a VP9 in the other and gotten to shoot them side by side. In my opinion the VP9 blows it out of the water. The fit and finish, and overall feel is better. The Caniks come with decent stock triggers that are arguably better feeling than a stock Glock trigger but that's about it's only redeeming quality to me. I personally run a G19 Gen5 MOS and went that direction over an hk because of the price point and because I know it'll get the job done. Also the mag prices. I also personally feel that although the changes were minor compared to gen4's, the tiny amount they flared the magwell, lack of annoying finger grooves and better trigger are all improvements to me. Another side note about the TP9's, where I am currently the average price is about $500. They might be worth it if they were $299 like they were a couple years ago. I would definitely throw the extra $200 down for a VP9.
I would pay HK more money to make the VP9 USP quality
when you brought up the fact that VP9 stands for "the peoples pistol" it made so much sense...regarding the water test and such.
i sold mine b/c it has the same problem as the p30 with riding the slide stop on the last round. if you use an isosceles grip.
Not an hk issue alone. Switched from a glock to a sig, to a p30. Did the same thing with the sig
Ok so you say a lot of positive things about this pistol but you wouldn't take it to battle. I need to know what pistol you would take to battle so I can do some research
G17, M9/92 series to include M9/A3, P226 9mm, and HK P30L.
sold my vp9 for another p30 to add to my p30sk...so much better to me
0:23 You cannot shoot.
Shhhhhh is from “Team America”
Definitely is. I have to do a Team America themed video with the cut aways, but I haven't figured out which one will fit yet.
Your grip consistency is not going to compare to a Springfield XD… Just kidding 😂
It is hard trying to grip anything not labeled "Grip zone" but we make due somehow.
Vp9s just need better stippling. Stippling is trash. P30 stippling is so much better.
I agree.
Man I love your videos but this is full of incorrect information. Nothing about the VP9 is any less reliable than any other striker gun. Strikers have their weaknesses over hammer guns but that’s not exclusive to HK. The statement about the name Peoples Pistol meaning is a cheap gun to get into people’s hands is totally incorrect. Its name is carried over from the VP70 which was a 3 round burst gun with an attachable stock. Hardly a gun for your everyday guy. Not to mention it’s only called a VP9 in the US and is a SFP9 everywhere else. In prototype phase it was going to be called a P30X indicating no less care was put into it than a P30.
Again not disrespect to you but this is just stuff you heard on the internet and are considering fact.