The 9 Creepiest Things Movies Portray as Romantic - After Hours
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You missed the fact, in Twilight, that the only reason Edward is even attracted to Bella in the first place is because she smells delicious to him. It's the equivalent of falling in love with a pizza.
Yeah. I read the books too. They kinda gloss over that in the movies. lol
Yeah, you nailed it. In all seriousness, it's called object sexuality... But inanimate objects normally can't return the feeling, nor can they have objections they could possibly want to express, so normally, it's fine. Not so much when the object equivalent is a teenage girl. I feel like that leaves Twilight as the most dangerous of the mentioned examples, because the target audience is particularly vulnerable to suggestion.
My love to my Stuffed Crust Meat Lovers has now been justified.
Still a better love story
Too late. I already did that.
Don't forget what the "Stop the Wedding" trope tells men. Movies make it appear that the only way for a guy to be worthy of the woman's affections is to humiliate himself in public, admit his flaws and shortcoming in front of hundreds of her friends and family, declare that he is so in love with her he will dare TELL her what is best for her, because anything less does not show enough dedication on his part.
Romantic films also encourage the trope "The One" idea that people are destined to be with some imaginary perfect person as opposed to working hard and building a lasting relationship through time and effort.
Bride Wars has a stop wedding that the brid thalks and confront the male that she is not supose to marry him because she is diferent of what he thinks... nad the male stays in shock and the marriage over...
BDWJ1986 There's actually a really great romantic comedy where the main female character is flawed as hell and needs to get her shit straight. It's called Bridesmaids, and guess what, it was made by women and starred women. Also, while not a romantic comedy film, the TV show Gilmore Girls immediately springs to mind. It's a comedy/drama that focuses quite a bit on the love lives of the two main female characters, and they are also quite flawed and not at all perfect. And in case you couldn't guess, that show was ALSO created by and primarily written by women. Funny how when we create media about ourselves, we tend to portray ourselves as actual human beings with flaws and faults, and it's really only when men are at the helm that women get reduced down to nothing more than perfection personified.
Carly Fried However, there are other examples that are not as flattering. The movie The Women, written, directed, and acted, exclusively by women, has a major flaw in its plot.
The five main characters are based on the five most popular movie cliche archetypes for women. Almost the entire plot arc of the movie for each of these characters is centered on their relationship with men (who are an absent presence from the screen).
While the characters have more depth than the average romcom, it still sends some strange messages that aren't really good for anyone.
From what I can tell "The Women" was based on a movie from 1939 (in turn based on a play) of the same name. I'm guessing, despite it being a modern adaptation, that it's relying on some pretty dated ideas of gender and societal roles. I haven't see it, so other than that I can't really speak to it.
I agree that men are portrayed poorly in rom coms as well, and I would never claim that movies like Bridesmaids or TV shows like Gilmore Girls are perfect shining examples of ideal what all entertainment should be like. My point was more that you can't blame WOMEN for the way men and women are portrayed in film because largely it is not women writing/directing/producing these films. The idea that the man in the standard Hollywood rom com is supposed to represent the ultimate fantasy man for all women everywhere was invented by men, not women. My point was that when women ARE integrally involved in the creation process, things tend to be a bit better, usually for everyone.
Carly Fried That's fair.
the only good version of the wedding interruption trope is shrek honestly.
that was because he really knew she didn't not love Farquhar or whatever his name is. So he really was not risking much.
+Alexia Tr not risking much? He risked to be killed on sight, killed a monarch destroyed the economy left it defenseless against intruders and destroyed their version of policemen and the city to stop a political marriage, for a girl he met literally 4 days ago
*****
i loved it as a child
All true...but everyone seemed extremely ready to root for Shrek in the quest contest, and not one of the nobles seemed terribly upset about losing Farquaad, so they easily could have been ready for a new ruler who wasn't an egotistical brute. Not to mention the noticeably giant castle and moving an entire group of people that Farquaad just happened to dislike, and stores of Farquaad selling himself, which I don't imagine was undertaken without heavy taxes and probably didn't help the economy, respectively. The knights also had things under control before a literal dragon stormed into the church, so they must have undergone some pretty good training after just Shrek's threatening stance ran them off four days ago, and before that they (and the citizens) were able to capture witches, Peter Pan and Tinker Belle, a family of bears, etc. The captain also seemed pretty smart and arguably like he was just doing his job and was overworked.
The simpsons do it well to
The Simpsons may have done the best Wedding Interruption Trope.
"Mrs Bouvier! Mrs Bouvier! Don't become Mrs C Montgomery Burns, wouldn't you rather be Mrs Abraham Simpson?"
"Actually, I don't want to be either."
"Well, that's good enough for me!"
+Cheeseanonioncrisps hot diggity damn, that's good enough for me
Wait that gal had the same last name as Marge? That's a little creepy...
@@Cupcub71 it was Marge's mom
Soren, in 2014: The show's never been cancelled!
Me, in 2019: Hello darkness my old friend
I miss the gang...
2021 reporting in, end card did not age well
2023 reporting in, card has aged even more poorly.
I have to point out what a good tip the, "don't flirt with people in service industries" part was. I feel bad for waitresses and waiters
+Autymn Maas Yeah, as someone in the service industry, if you flirt with us while we're working there is a 200% chance we're not into it AT ALL
oh god, bartenders too!
I never understand the people who take lack of rejection as affirmation they enjoy it. I have friends like this and so have to tell them "She doesn't like it she's being paid not to be an asshole to you, ask her after her shift and see if there's a difference"
I've always felt that the only proper way to do that was in Office Space. The extremely chill and non-committal nature of Peter's asking out of...Jennifer Aniston seem pretty alright. There is no pressure, and no reliance on the forced niceness that comes with service industry job.
Eh. Works well enough in reverse.
How can "everyone" have studied Romeo and Juliet and still think it's a straight romance? It's a tragedy! Kids are foolish and passionate, adults are prejudiced and vindictive and because absolutely nobody is willing to compromise or let go of the past, people die.
+pieoverlord You have to watch the Nostalgia critic review of the film he brings up some good points about how since they were young and going through a lot of confusing emotions they ended up killing themselves because they were not able to develop their relationship as they should have. It was young love taken to the extreme as they feared the thought of losing the one they felt in love with that's why its a tragedy thats why its loved by so many people and regarded as a great love story.
I would guess because the first (and for many, only) time people have an experience with it, is when they are the same age and have the same over the top emotions as the titular characters.
My only question is why most people are made to read R & J when they're in highschool. Its like they're begging us to misinterpret the story. Those kids will likely only read it once and when they read it at 15 or 16 its going to be a lot harder for them to see that subtext because they would inherently believe that their own feelings of love were genuine so how could they disregard Romeo and Juliet's? If they should ever read it as an adult, unless their still a naive lover, would immediately recognise how melodramatic these kids are but most aren't likely to do that so they'll probably only vaguely remember it being a love story. And then it just kinda falls in that category in the larger societal subconscious.
@@sebastianschwerdt7231 I'm sorry? When my English class did R&J, pretty much everything the teacher said hammered the point that it's a tragedy until the nail was a flat disc, and the kids who don't listen to the teacher in this scenario are also the kids who aren't even reading the damn play. If anyone has ever had an English teacher that tried to tell them R&J was a romance, they had a _bad teacher._
The full title is THE TRAGEDY OF ROMEO AND JULIET. It's literally in the title
I think of all the movies to use the "interrupting the wedding" trope, Shrek did it best. Shrek and Fiona actually shared moments together on their journey, and got to know each other while Shrek was bringing her to Farquad (a man who would literally rather send someone else to rescue her rather than do it himself), who was literally only marrying Fiona (without knowing anything about her) to become a certified King. Shrek actually cared about Fiona, and had established a connection with her; even if he only knew her for a few days, Shrek had a legitimate reason to crash their wedding. So, albeit that it's usually a huge asshole move to crash someone's wedding to "steal" the bride, I'm sure we can all agree that Shrek is certainly an exception to this rule.
And because we know the marriage is not what she wants, but she's doing it because she thinks she has to. So it has that "defeating the arranged marriage" trope mixed in.
Speaking of that trope: it's also the actual reason for Romeo and Juliet's tragedy. Not the falling in love at first sight. It's the arranged marriage that makes them think they must rush to marriage, and it's the marriage that sets up the everything else.
It's not about young love being bad, despite Cracked articles to the contrary.
Not really since, again, they've only known each other for a short time.
It's only so or so sane in an arranged marriage situation where the lad crashing the wedding is a decent respectul egalitarian human being, or being in the case of Shrek.
@@ZipplyZane the other problem was juliet had the option of either "marry this guy picked by your dad or be disowned."and at the end Romeo killed that same guy.
@@fightingmedialounge519 But in that short time, they've both developed crushes on each other, and Farquaad is a total asshole. If my crush showed me that my fiance was a jerk that could never love me, and then said they returned my feelings, I'd dump my fiance and happily enter a romantic relationship with my crush.
I honestly think a lot of movies that portray stalking a woman as just being 'persistent' is dangerous. When a woman says 'no', it's time for you to understand she's not interested and move on. I also hate movies where the main character is a male and in the end he 'gets the girl' without any real relationship development between the two, where she just kinda pops up at the end and they kiss. It's telling men that if you're good you'll be 'rewarded' with a woman, and this is causing a lot of entitled thinking in men like "I'm a nice guy, I deserve this woman to be my girlfriend".
Agreed.
I think we could have a really good movie about someone falling in love, trying to win the other person over, but ultimately being told 'no' and having to move on. Relationships take two, and if you've only got one, then that can't be anything. I don't know if that movie already exists; probably, it does, but I'd like it if a movie with that plot got popular enough that I wasn't in doubt about whether or not Hollywood has ever told that story.
@MoonShadowWolf
Yes there is, it's called 500 days of Summer
Princess Buttercup - I agree with you for the most part, but I've had several occasions where girls were just playing hard to get, I was told months or years later they were disappointed I gave up after one decline (they expected me to keep trying, wanting me to earn it, though they probably got that from movies). A few wanted me to compete with their boyfriend for their 'affection'. So being respectful kinda backfired in those cases. It isn't as clear cut as you might think. As an adult, I'm glad I didn't get involved with girls who are manipulative, but that doesn't help my teenage self lol!
Sigi Stardust If they acted like that you should be happy you didn’t end up with them.
I think "MegaMind" perfectly illustrates why these tropes are so disgusting, through Hal. He's that dumpy guy that's always trying to get with the girl and never wins. He becomes a super hero, and makes all these huge, (what he deems) "romantic" gestures, thinking she's supposed to fall for him, but when she doesn't, he doesn't understand. Because he feels ENTITLED to her. He followed the romcom script, why didn't he get the girl? So he gets angry, and tries to kill her.
While most guys don't get ridiculously powerful, the same thing happens a lot in real life. The man feels entitled to the girl, but when she doesn't comply, he tries to hurt her or get revenge, because of a false sense of entitlement.
So not only does it teach the woman that she's supposed to just go with the strongest man, but teaches the man that's how it's supposed to be, too.
+Imp Again!~ I think that what you may miss in these movies, and what the "Twaddalescence" generation of no bullying misses, is that getting your heart broken is often the defining moment of your life. It teaches you sooo much about the world. Most guys who lose the girl obviously dont go for revenge, often they attempt to make the girl regret not choosing them by making themselves into a better version of who they are. Along the way they realize that the journey to this better version was not about the girl at all. That is why good romcom's have the heartbreak, breakdown, rebuilding, and ultimately the girl decides she should be with out protagonist. He always decides that he does not what to be with this object of his juvenile desire, he has grown beyond this simplistic vision of his future and is now ready to move on to find a mate that is infinitely more complex than the obsession of a paler version of himself.
A teenage boy was just sentenced to prison for murdering a girl who turned him down.
I don't think it's entitlement, at least not usually. It's confusion. A guy does what he is told (by movies and by friends both male and female), and when it doesn't work (often it is dismissal out of hand, and guys and girls both do this, but they try to spare the other's feelings, and come up with an excuse instead of the truth), he tries to figure out what could have been done differently, because to him, he did something wrong, or at least didn't do something right, but just can't figure out what that was. Also remember most of the pressure is on the guy, since he usually has to take the initiative, and therefore, risk.
Sigi Stardust The problem is that men think if they take a risk they’re entitled to a reward.
Super underrated movie!
Something nobody understands is that Shakespeare meant for Romeo and Juliet to be tragic, not romantic.
+Andrew Addams True, but the tragedy comes from the romance. The height of the tragedy was the fact the two lovers couldn't be together because of the family feud. As much as it might be seen that the tragedy comes from the fact the two children killed themselves because of the feud, the prologue makes it clear that the focus of the tragedy is the "star cross'd lovers" who's "death mark'd love" is the tragedy of the play. That two people who are helplessly in love are unable to enjoy that shared affection and thus commit suicide. The romance IS the tragedy and as such makes it romantic. The same way Othello is viewed as heroic, or Brutus is a man fallen from grace. Othello's heroism despite his situation IS the tragedy, Brutus' fall from grace IS the tragedy, the romance of Romeo and Juliet being unable to be enjoyed IS in itself the tragic element of the play.
+Andrew Addams Yeah, people always say: "Oh man, that's so romantic. They had it so hard just to be together..." Excuse me, being together was NOT hard for them at all. They never actually had to try it out. They both kicked the bucket before they could share a life, have their first argument or even learn each other good enough to find out what they can't stand about the other one. They basically jumped the entire hard part of being in a relationship by just commiting suicide... which might be the better option? ...I don't know. Maybe they were onto something.
+Andrew Addams You got that from Nostalgia Critic.
Sepak
Or it is obvious.
+Sepak Clearly Doug was the first person to say it and not the hundreds of thousands of Shakespearan scholars before him.
But can we just talk about the notebook for a second, one of the most romantic movies of all time. When Noah and Allie first meet, Noah is smitten and asks Allie out to which she declines. And instead of respectfully accepting her answer, he continues to follow and harass Allie to the point of him threatening to kill himself (the Ferris wheel) until she eventually agreed to go on a date with his. So we've got harassment and emotional blackmail, but it's all okay because she develops feelings for him eventually? Kinda messed up right?
i can't watch movies about alzheimer's anyway, too damn depressing, but the notebook did take the whole controlling aspect of their relationship and just run with it. the thing is, though, one in a million guys is actually worth letting him influence how you live certain aspects of your life. not saying what's his face was one of them, but i know a guy, total asshole, possible sociopath, but he does make certain decisions for his hot-tempered girlfriend... because he's right. and he's always tactful about it, never commanding, more cajoling. just a suggestion. i used to have a pretty real crush on him -- weird for me, i've been dating girls for ten years so i had no idea how to handle it. but i knew i could never give him what he wanted from a girl, and i'm naturally too shy to make moves. but they got together, i drank about it for a while, and we're all friends now. ninety percent of what i said isn't healthy or advisable, but if there's one man i would let control me... yeah
Not just kinda messed up. Totally messed up.
purse = dumped lmao
daisy harris But...The Notebook fucking sucks.
daisy harris I think Cracked did an After Hours segment or article specifically on the evil of rom coms that included "The Notebook."
Let's not forget the whole "You can't be happy unless you fine a significant other." Thing in romantic comedies. Like, a woman has a perfect job and life, but if she's alone, she is not happy. She might say she's happy, but naw. You got that drunk friend who just got married comin along saying, "NAW. YOUR HAPPINESS IS FAKE. YOU ARE LONELY, IT IS LAW". I get kinda pissed off by that whole trope. I would never want to be married, to man or woman. Romance and relationships are kinda gross and exhausting to me. But according to a romantic comedy, I am miserable and in denial. It's kinda lame and I don't like it. I value platonic relationships more than romantic ones, and I don't see the need in the constant search for a person to be my "true love". It's gross.
Agreed. Being asexual/aromantic, myself, I find it a little disheartening to see that in pretty much every movie I watch (not just romantic comedies), the main character has to end up with a significant other. Not that I'm against romantic relationships or find them disgusting (I actually really enjoy a good romance every once in a while), but, as you said, it's like these movies are saying you can't be happy without romance, and that if you don't feel attracted to other people, there is something wrong with you.
That was the big thing that bothered me about Despicable Me 2. I freaking loved the first movie because it was about the love Gru had for his three adoptive daughters, and they were such a happy family. But in the second movie, they just had to give Gru, as well as the oldest girl, a love interest. Honestly, I can understand the daughter to an extent, but it pissed me off because Gru never gave any indications beforehand that he even wanted a romantic relationship. But they just went in over-drive with the whole "He doesn't know life until he knows love," thing.
I just wish there were more movies that asexuals could identify with, you know?
Totally agree with that. Same for teenage/young male virgins in films. It's never just "who cares?", if the guy isn't having sex it's because there's something wrong and he needs to fix it up right now.
Though I see your points, and I agree with most of them, without being asexual myself, you've got to understand that these movies are directed at the majority of the population, wich actually thinks like that,
***** Well it just seems a bit ridiculous. I would love to see one movie where there is no love interest. Where the protagonist goes through the movie and doesn't end up with someone, and they just realize "Hey I don't need anyone."
I feel like the idea of romance it too romanticized. It's something that EVERYONE needs, and it's the only thing that matters. No matter how happy the woman looks, she's just a shell of a person until she finds her better half. I think that the worst thing to feel is depended on a person. It's kinda weird when people say stuff like "I can't live without you" and it kinda creeps me out. Instead people should say "I can live without you if I wanted to, but I'm choosing to keep you around." It seems a lot more cool to me that way.
I like platonic relationships. I like having close friends of the gender I am sexually attracted to (females). I like having close friends with the gender society wants me to be attracted to. I just don't like the stigma that comes with it. If I'm friends with them, then obviously I either want to sleep with them or I want a romantic relationship. I would just appreciate a focus on platonic relationships. Revise those movies where the protagonist ends up with their best friend, and make it so they remain best friends, without anything awkward or romantic. Just friends. I am a female, and I have a male friend who I love to just knit with. We hang out without any sexual tension, knit, talk about video games, and just bond. I would absolutely love a "rom com" or just a movie in general about two best friends of opposite genders who don't end up in a romantic relationship at the end of the movie. One where there's no sexual tension. I don't know any movie that is like that at all. It just kinda says to women that they can't be friends with men unless they plan on harboring romantic feelings for them. It tells men that if they are a great friend, then the woman owes them something, that they are the obvious choice and the only one for her and why can't she just see that.
Platonic relationships aren't given enough thought. Can anyone actually name a movie that came out recently that didn't focus on a romantic interest, or have some sort of romantic subplot? I can't.
That thing you said of having a movie without a love interest is something I've thinked about for years.
And about the ending with two friends being just friends, I belive, and this may be a little spoiler, though not really vital to the movie, that the ending of Her was a little like that, though it may be open to interpretation, i don't know.
I go with Katie.
But Friendzone. The "nice guy", that is put in the friendzone because he is "too nice"? If you are friends with someone, and accidently fall in love, ok, that's one thing. But if you are Leonard Hofstadler (The Big Bang Theory), that just started to befriend a woman because he actually wanted to bang her? Well, that is not a nice guy, that is guy being a nice guy because he thinks that when you're nice to a woman, she should compensate you with sex.
Girls don't usuallly fuck their best friends, so if you want to go out with a girl, don't pretend to be her friend, just say it, be clear, and don't be rude.
Wow, sorry, this thing makes me so annoyed ><
And yeah, Bella was a high school student, but Edward is old as fuck o-o
Oh, the lack of gay couples in romcoms, and lack of non-sexual love makes me feel so awkward. D: Why not?
Yes. I genuinely enjoy the company of women, so if they don't fuck me, I wasn't "friend zoned", any more than if my guy friends don't fuck me. Lol.
If a guy ever says he was friend zoned, that's a red flag, right there.
But therein lies the problem. It's not that we are told "be nice to a woman and she will reward you with sex". We are told "be friends with a woman FIRST BEFORE YOU ASK HER OUT". This doesn't usually fucking work. IF you treat a woman like a friend, she won't see you as an attractive person, she will see you as a friend. So we have to walk this idiotic razor's edge, trying to be friendly and kind to the women we like without doing too much and making her consider us to be only friend material. It's pretty fucked.
TitansPrince That's not true. I've went from friendship to relationship plenty of times.
If they can see through you, it isn't going to work. If you're only friends with them because you're eventually going to ask them out, then you really aren't their friend.
I really don't mean any offense by this, there might be another reason they don't like you that way. Women don't consider a guy "not bf material" just because they're friends, trust me on that.
The problem is, they use friendship as an excuse not to date you, because they're afraid of hurting your feelings by being honest.
As I said, just be sincere. If all you want is her body, don't PRETEND to be her friend just to get there. If you actually want to be friends with her, but would also go out with her, you can also make that clear in a way "Well, yeah, you're a great friend... But I would go out with you, you're great romantic material, girl xD". And if you just want to be friends with her, and that's all... well, that's all o-o
And as I said, it is different when you are a friend, and accidently fall in love with the person, you weren't lying about being her friend, it just changed.
Sorry, but this is the way I prefer to be treated. I don't like when I know a guy is just being super nice because he wants sex, and not because he is just nice like that with everyone, women and men he is not interested to have sex with, but he is also not making it clear that he wants to be more than a friend. (?)
And my female friends were pretty fine when I said "Yeah, but I would totally go out with you, tell me when you have any interests in women ;D", but maybe it is because girls look harmless.
talissa almeida But the important thing is, don't get mad at a girl because you are being super nice, but she is not compensating you with love and sex.
I hate those moments in anime where some guy kisses a girl and she totally falls for him.
If some random guy came up and kissed me I'd kick him in the nads so fast..
Plot twist: His nads are coated in razor-sharp, pixel-like diamonds; he is a tentacle-monster who feeds off the blood of women.
Nobody Lurker how is Japan sexist? I'm not arguing, I've just seen people say it and since i don't know anything about Japanese culture I'd like to know what aspects make it that way.
Keyboardstalker Well, in Japan, there is a law that says women have to wait 2 to 3 years after divorce to remarry while men can immediately remarry after divorce. That’s pretty sexist, either everyone has to wait to remarry or can immediately remarry after the divorce.
most of the time the female character will beat the buy like a tsundere
And street harrassment and pedophilia are a huge issue that is just beggining to be talked about walking on eggshells by a few of the women who were raped as children and raised to be very cute and friendly even when discussing things that destroyed them, so they don't make rapists and pedophiles feel even a tiny bit uncomfortable. It's a too hierarchical and sexist society, I think the "comfort women" still don't get a proper apology from the State and the general public berates and abuses those poor sweet resiliant grandmas calling them "whores" when they went on to demand symbolic justice and degrading them. They were small tweens getting gang raped over and over with no way out by lined up soldiers for years, they feel guilty that "weren't strong enough to fight back", for xrist sake!!! a 12 year old girl defending her self against at least a dozen grown men each time and locked in some military base, how were they gonna scape? It's rape culture, humans.
Holy hell, her closing monologue about the lack of agency ascribed to women characters in key moments in romantic comedies aimed at women was just a fucking liver punch to the genre. And so many films that we think are good, are terrible in that regard, of, relationships, how they work, the choices other people have made and their agency.
Fuck her final monologue was just so damn satisfying. I'm going to watch it again, as a writer I learned something so ... what's a word for important, or, obvious, but, it's obvious now only after I was told... but I feel like I should have known it before, and I feel dumb for not having done so but I feel good now because I finally did...
There's got to be a word for it.
I don't know, I'm not a writer. I'm going to watch it again.
I know what not to do, I know what not to do so much more clearly now. When it comes to human beings. Their relationships. With each other. In writing. Agency. Writing.
Yeah, that's right.
I love this comment.
A revelation? is that the word you're looking for?
I felt this after watching the video too, and the one about uh "stupid" chick flicks that are surprisingly progressive, as a writer! Make all the characters characters, don't take a prop and make it female so that it can do things that are only there to further the plot.
Hindsight. The word you're looking for is hindsight, I think.
Words that could fit can also include "clarity," "insight," "epiphany," or even "wisdom."
These words are often intertwined with one another so it may seem like they're each too simple, but they all work.
Soren's support of Dan is amazing. The smoothness of his rescue at the start and "you made some solid eye contact". Everyone needs a Soren. Especially cause I have approximately half of Dan's romantic skill.
you forgot waiting outside the girls window. at night. when its raining. your standing there and she opens the window and she sees a guy standing outside her window looking up at her. its dark its raining and she cant really tell who the hell u are that's creepy
Easy, hold a flashlight under your chin so that she can see you :)
They didn't talk about Shrek god dammit. Farquaad and Fiona barely knew each other. He just wanted to marry her to become king, and he chose her based on her looks. Shrek actually got to know Fiona and vice-versa, so they were actually in love with each other. She didn't love Farquaad. Even during the sad montage she was like, "well, at least my curse will be broken..." Except it wouldn't because it wasn't true love. It wasn't love at all. It was lust and greed on Farquaad's part, and she just wanted her curse to finally be broken! The "you can't marry him" thing actually made sense!
+CallMeFreakFujiko Well yes of course it makes sense. That's the point. It makes sense for every romcom that uses that same trope because the screen writers always set up these sort of "love triangles" so that the initial love interest is a dick and the underdog is the obvious choice. In the case of shrek, its a little bit different because really the choice was never between farquaad and shrek. The point of fiona's character was to relay the idea that you don't have to adhere to the roles that society gives you. She was supposed to be a beautiful princess who married a prince and lived happily ever after, but she chose to forge her own path instead. Ultimately, it was about her choosing herself, much in the same way that shrek chose to be the hero instead of the monster and chose to care for people instead of living in isolation
+CallMeFreakFujiko That... was the point of Shrek.
+CallMeFreakFujiko Yeah, if anything, that's something Shrek did really well, it actually used the trope in a very sensible and powerful way. It even got around the monetary aspect thanks to Farquaad being a rich asshole who paid for everything.
Yeah, this is about stuff movies say is sweet and romantic, not stuff that movies are aware isn't loving or caring.
How is knowing each other for a few days true love.
Not as bad as when, in Twilight, Jacob fell in love with Bella's freaking baby when he couldn't get the girl..
He frickin imprinted her pretty marking her as his before she can even walk. Just in case a centuries old vampire banging a teenager wasn't enough pedophilia
Nah, the author said it's not sexual attraction... yet. More like a big brother thing. But it would be when she grows up (I wonder at what point...).
What bothers me more is the fact that the girl is kinda forced in this weird situation. Either she accepts this guy who was a grown up when she was growing up and thus she probably sees him as an uncle or older brother or she rejects him and Jacob is as miserable as before if not more.
So it is a sexual thing.
In his defense, it was the weird biological quirk that caused that rather than his own actual interest; plus, it was platonic. But you do make a decent point...it was a creepy twist.
Says a lot about the author, doesn’t it?
I love how Soren reached down the table suggesting he had an actual boombox under there
I know this is only tangentially related, but it ties into relationships so I thought I'd mention it- I was watching Friends (a mostly awesome show I enjoy) and there was one part that really, really bothered me:
Chandler fell crazy in love with Joey's girlfriend but did everything he could to stay out of their way and respect his best friend. Then Joey goes out with another girl claiming that him and his girlfriend are not 'going steady', while he's out with this other girl he gets caught up in traffic and his girlfriend is kept waiting for Joey in his apartment, with Chandler. Chandler resists, but finally kisses her, and when Joey finds out he's beyond hurt and angry, to the point where he stops being friends with Chandler.
Everyone treated this as perfectly acceptable behavior in spite of the fact that they knew Chandler loved this woman and Joey was basically cheating on her- he himself called their relationship 'not exclusive'.
- I just honestly don't get why no one called Joey out on his behavior. In my opinion this is totally not okay, I would even call it a double standard. But Friends hasn't shied away from sensitive topics before, so I'm more than a bit confused and disappointed.
There are several things wrong in friends. Including the massive lack of black people.
***** There were black people on the show though... I mean, sure the six main characters were white. Was your complaint that there weren't enough black people on the show?
uNAbridged18 There was, that they were never part of the story. Except for like 1 or 2 times max. And their numbers were way few.
Kgcopper well getting back on topic i think it's pretty accurate, or how most people would act, because relationships are complicated, and you give leeway to your friends for doing shitty things. you don't listen to them saying things like they aren't exclusive. For guys it is just wrong to date/hookup with someone one of your friends used to date. No excuses, but I'm going how you described the situation.
***** No, its wrong, its just protruding the stereo type. And what you just said trying to justify it is slightly racist.
People not getting Romeo and Juliet is no different from them completely misinterpreting The Graduate (so many think it's a happy ending, I don't know how) or 500 Days of Summer, which is about an asshole who thinks he's entitled to a woman's affections because he's decided she's meant to be with him, then thinks she's a bitch for gently but bluntly (the best way) breaking up with him. Disagree with me? Both the filmmaker and Joseph Gordon-Levitt have said this themselves, that that was the intent of the film, and that Tom isn't meant to be a hero nor is the ending meant to be a happy one.
They didn't even mention the fact that Edward was one hundred years old.
OMG, you're right!😂
+Greg. Sym. and technically dead
+Greg. Sym. OHHHH don't even get me started
+teenageapocalypse I won't argue whether or not liking classical music/ literary classics make you an "old soul" but i will say that if she was meant to be an intelligent character then the story is all the more tragic. Maybe its because ive always been driven by my goals, but i think that the worst thing about bellas character is that she literally had zero ambitions. Her whole character revolves around Edward. She had some vague notions of college once and that's it. No thought of having a job or pursuing a career. No real interests or indication that she was good at anything. And she makes the decision to completely stop her life in its tracks at the age of 18. 18!!!!! Barely an adult and she wants to decide to never have kids, never date anyone else, never enjoy food again (anyone REALLY bothered by this), never make any non-vampire friends lest they be changed or slaughtered, never have a place in the world or do anything meaningful! Carlisle is only able to be a doctor because he looks old enough to be a doctor. Edward assists him sometimes but, and this cannot be stressed enough, NO ONE ELSE IN THAT FAMILY DOES ANYTHING!!! They've all spent so much time collecting knowledge just to sit on it. If they do anything that is too notable, they risk gaining a reputation and thereafter being exposed. They are all doomed to live long and pointless lives forever.
+All that matters is 6b6e6f776c65646765 After that point I really can't help but think he could have been a much more interesting character. After seeing and experiencing so much. Even if your right about the racist and misogynist traits he might have. Or perhaps a little world building here on the Vampire culture and their views of race and gender equality? The point is I see a lot of wasted potential here that's only now dawning on me.
I find it creepy that Edward is like a 1000 and is intent on banging a 16 or 17 year old... seems weird. also doesn't he stare at her while she sleeps? That's also a weird thing to do
old men crave young flesh...
just wrote a comment about this! lol his creep level broke the rictor scale with that. and she ate that shit up like a dude you don't really know sneaking in your room, at night, while you're half dressed, watching you sleep is sexy!? romantic? expected? if a guy does that to me he's getting crotch stomped.
I hate Twilight because Edward is a creepy, manipulative, overprotective stalker.
Nobody needs ANY other reason to hate twilight.
THAT RIGHT THERE is a good enough reason.
Bella tho....... she is a good reason to hate it. Her angst makes me cringe
ikr, she should have gone to Jacob and have him and the pack protect her from her creepy stalker.
I'm glad they brought up the cost. It always stresses me out to think about. Like, "Do you realize how much they paid for this wedding, and now it's pointless?!"
It's been ages since your comment but, it's cheaper to stop a wedding than have a wedding and a divorce. Tbs, at the altar isn't the time/place to ask a bride to call it off.
Also, how much collective time and money wasted by the guests to get there - some of whom probably even had to take at least a day off of work to fly.
"I wanted a water refill and now she wont come over here" LMAO thats so true
The whole concept of "the one" and "happily ever after." That the goal of a relationship is to fall in love and everything that comes after is unimportant. I'd be willing to argue that love is never enough, and communication and simply enjoying the other person's company are far more important than love when it comes to lasting forever.
+RainbowDemon this was perfectly said. Thank you.
+RainbowDemon Thats coming from a real place and seeing as how theres alot of this cookie cutter story formula they follow it makes you wonder why they follow such unrealistic displays of movie love . 1. the male lead falls in love with the girl of his dreams 2. after a montage of displays he finally wins her 3. the part i hate [ he screws up ] and loses her 4. stalks and does creepy stuff to get her back 5. succeeds
Ive watched enough soap operas and studied lite psychology to know this isnt how women operate and at the same time this formula is seen in movies that arnt strictly rom coms . This programs people who watch this to believe everything they are seeing can work in reality when the truth is 1.you have to be yourself while building on you to be better 2. have your own interests 3. show that you can live without a woman in your life and still be a happy well adjusted person 4. take reasonable risks so you arnt leading anyone on 5. [this one applies to sales and other stuff ] - confidence sells
+jay b (alphafox) That's why Lily and Marshall from How I Met Your Mother were my favorite TV couple. They were in love, but they fought, and they always worked through their problems. And then in the last season, they had their big fight and they realized that if they cut each other out of decisions, no matter how much they love each other, they could still lose one another if they don't communicate and include one another in big decisions. That is how I think love should be portrayed. They were great.
+RainbowDemon Well while I feel where you are coming from I have to disagree. The "falling in love part" that you want to gloss over, is where the real bonding starts. Without all those chemicals bonding two humans together, you just have two people who can tolerate each other. Studies show that chemical attachment or "true love" is there for a reason. It usually dissipates in 12 to 24 months, just enough time to form a bond and procreate. After babies the bond of raising children takes the place of lust.
Everyone's version of love is different... Some have found a compatible version while the majority are still trying to figure out what their version is...
I'm shocked no one mentioned the thing where people carve their initials into trees. I mean seriously. Some people think it's cute and romantic but why don't people get creeped over the amount of people who bring knives to dates?
+Nana Asmah isn't it usually done at a picknick? so the guy has a knife to cut the bread, or other things.
+Nana Asmah A lot of people carry knives. They're pretty useful. Lol She thinks pocket knives are scary.
+Nana Asmah True... they are illegal in many places too; OK so I grew up with knives, everyone had one as it is the most basic tool, but a) you go to the woods with some person you don't know much (this tends to be like 2nd date in movies) and the person whips out a knife and starts vandalising trees. (I say person because I am not sure if it would be less or more creepy if it's the girl who brings the switchblade. )
TulilaSalome Thank you. See? This person gets my pointm.
+Nana Asmah I always use my teeth.
Hey after hours team! Just wanted to throw you a tasty thought cookie.
Romeo and Juliet is actually intended to be a comedy with a surprise tragic ending. The only reason we all consider it a "romantic tragedy" is because the play has been canonized as a summation of itself. We all know the summarized story of Romeo and Juliet well before we ever read or watch the play/movie, including the tragic ending. So there is never an opportunity for a pure discovery of events as they unfold. We all go in with forknowledge of how it ends, and thus our frame of reference is skewed towards watching the play expecting tragedy.
But imagine yourself as one of the first audience members to see this play. All of the plays of your era have a plethora of easily identified cultural cues that tell you either this play ends with a marriage (comedy) or a death (tragedy). So you sit down to watch a rollicking good comedy about some hormone addled teenagers, and are having a great time. Mercutio delivers a two page monologue about being horny (Also known as the mab speech), Romeo falls jackassedly in love with the daughter of his family's sworn enemy. Everything is set up to be an absolute hilarious shit show, complete with plenty of dick jokes etc. Then people start dying, and shit spirals out of control. That masterful misdirection would have been an emotional rollercoaster for those first audiences. And is really the reason this play was instantly canonized.
But, after centuries of being canonized, and having the ending known as part of the whole story, we never even think to look for the humor in it anymore. So every version of Romeo and Juliet we see is always played Super intensely, with the interpretation that all of these words that Shakespeare wrote were intended to be tragic. And over the centuries we just completely forgot it was a comedy all together.
But yeah it's a filthy one.
Hope you guys actually read this and enjoy it. I love your content keep it rolling.
P.S. Dan my spirit animal
No one had a completely blind experience of the play. Romeo and Juliet is essentially an adaptation of Pyramus and Thisbe (which shows up in another Shakespeare play). Everyone knew that story, so people weren't surprised about the deaths.
@@gamegyro56 Chaucer had included the story of Pyramus and Thisbe in one of his books and the tale had been adapted other times in English between Chaucer and Shakespeare. You're totally correct, the audiences were not expected to be surprised by the deaths, they were a well-known part of the narrative archetype.
Romance in movies is like a jpeg image; even though it is based on the real thing, it has compressed and lost most of the subtleties of the original. It's best not to take it as a reference.
It's not just movies that confuse stalking with romance, it's real life. Plenty of stuff real people consider romantic would be creepy if the person didn't happen to reciprocate interest. It's not really fair, but the difference between charming and stalking is often just "do I happen to have feelings for the person doing the charming/stalking or not".
Agreed 100%!
Disagree 100%
Stalking is objectively creepy regardless of whether or not the stalkee wants the attention, because the whole point of stalking, as opposed to, say, hanging out, is that the stalker doesn't care about consent.
That might make more sense, but the fact is that plenty of stuff that's considered romantic by someone who ended up liking the guy would have been considered creepy if she didn't.
What's so complicated in asking for consent?
Good point
I feel like the Ted Mosby mention should also mention the Dobler-Dahmer Theory from HIMYM.
"If both people are into each other, then a big romantic gesture works: Dobler, but if one person isn't into the other, the same gesture comes off serial-killer crazy: Dahmer."
I love how consistently supportive Soren is of Dan
Also in the graduate, Elaine is pretty much forced to marry someone she doesn't want to marry, that's important. The wedding interruption only works if the marriage is arranged, and the interrupter is the person the bride or groom are actually in-love with.
Shrek and Mulan II are pretty much the only wedding interruption scenes where it's made clear that the bride doesn't want to marry her groom, and the interrupter is the one she wants to marry, but for some reason couldn't. Either by thinking they were dead, or some sort of misunderstanding that wasn't cleared up until moments before the ceremony.
Creepiest romance ever: Anikin and Padme, episode 2.
+PanicGiraffe YES
I'm surprised it wasn't mentioned
Limmy Fao
+PanicGiraffe Especially, since in the first one anakin was a little kid and padme was like 15-20 years old
max awsomesause I know, when I wee lad and I first episode 1 their relationship was that of a mother and son, and then it was romantic in the next. Horrifying for a small child really.
Thank you for mentioning "Romeo and Juliet"! Everyone thinks it's the greatest love story ever told and it's really not. It's about two teens who confuse lust and being drawn to the forbidden for true love. Not to mention the play's entire plot takes place in less than a week. It's a great example of how most teens view love, but it isn't the quintessential example of a real relationship that's based on actual feelings.
What's funny is Shakespeare never intended it to be a romantic story, it's a tragedy showing how stupid children can be. If it was made today it would be a dark comedy not a romantic comedy.
***** Exactly, and it makes more sense as a cautionary tale. If the story was staged/filmed with that in mind, Romeo and Juliet's "love" would make more sense and be understandable; the audience would see they're just two painfully innocent young people rushing into a situation they don't really get. But the fact that everyone views it as the end-all-be-all take on romance makes the whole thing fall apart and look ridiculous, even when written by Shakespeare.
Often people are only talking of lust and feelings when they speak of "love" in our current society. Feelings and sexual desire change on a whim, love is the commitment to the true good of another. That's why people quit on their relationships so easy today. Honestly, if you can set those feelings and desires aside and look at things from a more practical standpoint, you'd find yourself in better more life enriching relationships. For example, the better pick for Juliet was actually Paris. He was as rich in not more so as both families, he was committed to her to the point of asking her father, one of the most powerful men in Verona, for her hand in marriage and, this may be the most important point, he wasn't currently engaged in a blood feud with her family.
To the point of Romeo and Juliet, I thought it was a poorly written story. Logically, if the two main characters were as committed and had the resolve they needed it, they should've married, consumated it, then told their parents.
Gootothesecond I agree. The story of "Romeo and Juliet" is pretty weak. The only thing that saves it is Shakespeare's writing, even if it does boil down to Romeo and Juliet rambling on about how great love is. And that's where his genius comes in--he makes the puppy love of two reckless people look like a genuine bond that's taken years to form, at least, judging on how Romeo and Juliet describe their love.
And yes, you're right, maybe Paris would have made a better match for Juliet. We don't know much about him other than he's rich and wants to marry her. Heck, Juliet writes him off pretty much before meeting him. When her mom talks about him before the party, Juliet basically says, "I'll be nice to him and talk to him for your sake, Mom, but I'm not interested." And then what happens at the party? Romeo, who only went there because he hoped to see another girl he was "in love with", sees Juliet. Juliet, who just told her mom she wasn't interested in meeting anyone, sees Romeo. And boom, they instantly decide they're in love.
I honestly have to wonder what Shakespeare would think if he knew about "Romeo and Juliet" as it's viewed today.
"Really, guys? Of all the plays I wrote, it's the one about the tragically dumb teens for which everyone remembers me?"
TheaterRaven the thing about Romeo and Juliet is that it's not meant to be a beautiful love story. It's a tragedy, and in Shakespeare's time, tragedies weren't like today's tearjerkers where everything is wonderful until the kicker at the end, but they were like Macbeth, Hamlet, cautionary tales where everything is wrong right from the start. And it's not Shakespeare's story anyway...
When she said "She's on the clock and she's supposed to be nice to you, it's just uncomfortable for you to do that due to that" (Something along those lines etc etc).... OH MY GOD. YES. PREACH. When I used to work in retail the most annoying thing in the world was someone randomly in the creepiest way flirting with me. Specially knowing that I had an engagement ring on. That's just low, disrespectful, and awkward as all hell unless you know this person well and are in love or have some for of lovey dovey or sexual relationship. >_>
I love how soren made sure to compliment dan on his progress with things like eye contact with strangers
Surely the creepiest is that scene in the Notebook where Ryan Goslings character threatens to throw himself off a ferris wheel if Rachel McAdams character doesn't agree to go on a date with him. Those types of "gestures" are par for the course in these "romantic" dramas and girls seem to lap thats shit up but it strikes me as a very creepy thing to do
The difference between creepy and romantic isn't the act, it's the feelings of the recipient. Unwelcome advances are always creepy, welcome advances aren't. There's no formula for what is the right or wrong way to woo someone, it depends on the person.
Oh please. Everything is "creepy" to alot of 20 somethings now. No wonder so many single folk around. They can't negotiate sexual relationships anymore 😂
God I can believe I use to feed into the bullshit romantic gestures "winning" a girl over. Now I feel a bit stupid and sorry for many of my past actions, but now at least I've learned and can grow comfortable in a healthy relationship with someone who cares just as deeply for me as I do for her.
What's even worse is when you actually do win over a girl, then it doesn't work out, and you have to live with the fact that you destroyed a relationship for nothing.
Yeah it was not the greatest feeling. I didn't directly destroy them, but I had enough input to feel responsible.
Chandler Hull I've done something even worse because of the concept of winning a girl over, but I won't go into that in a public forum.
Needless to say, I've abandoned that concept.
Jester Azazel Understandable, and at least you've learned from it.
Preach it! Growing the fuck up is one of the best things to have happened. I had quite the jerk streak in my mid to late teens, especially in this regard. If only we could travel back in time in order to hit our younger, more stupid selves over the head with a rolled up newspaper. "No! BAD teenager!"
"I'm sorry about the world...for you."
same, Dan, same.
Dan is my spirit animal
yass XD
only he is neither a spirit nor an animal
Let me clarify what he or she means:
"Dan is and will always be an accurate representation of myself."
In which I agree.
You know in my opinion the worst plight to humor is explanation. but i'm sure the three people in the world who didn't know what he/she meant are grateful.
Xavian Brightly
Shhh, I will slowly but surely ruin everyone's joke.
:3
With logic.
“This show’s never been canceled once!”
I’m sad now.
The staring. The staring, leering, drooling thing is a thing. This needs to not be a thing. Nothing creepier than some stranger lookin' at you all fish-eyed, for like, ever! Well, okay. There are worse things... like cat-calling, and stalking, and... well, things way worse than that. But the staring? Still stinks of creeper.
John Bainbridge I'm sorry
Yeah I've never got how that was romantic. That's more of a serial killer's reaction to someone they like than a normal reaction.
Sweat Home Alabama?. She tries to divorcee her old Husband, to marry a new guy, but then ends up leaving the new guy cause she wants to be with the old guy, but it didn't work out the first time why try again. well don't give up on somthing you can fix, but can they fix it.
In reference to the whole "stop the wedding" thing, that's one of the things I loved about Happy Endings. Alex gets whisked away, then comes back having decided she wasn't meant to be with the whisker anyway. So many good moments.
I'm the only one I know who finds twilight just really discusting!! The only thing separating Edward from a 300 year old great grandpa is his looks and he preys on a 16 year old girl. Even if that wasn't the case he's just really weird, he met this girl in high school and immediately started watching her in her sleep and *staring* at her all the time. that movie was basically a really old guy stalking a high school student and pretending to be 16
How sad that you don't know anyone else who can see the blatantly creepy aspects of those, ahem, books/movies. The bigger problem with those movies/books is that this behavior is touted as being romantic, and what girls want. To manipulate one guy to make another one jealous, to sit around in an emo funk for months, that culminates in jumping off a cliff to cause a hallucination. Man those stories are fucked up. My friends 14 year old daughter has actually defended that girl as "the best" example of what it's like to be a teen girl. Teen girls have changed "a lot" since I was in school I guess.
Gia, I totally agree and kept waiting for one of them to bring it up, too.
gia. Except for the whole thing how it's physically impossible for a grandpa to live to 300, but I'm just nitpicking at this point.....
Trust me you are not the only one who thinks twilight is creepy. In it's hay day it was the go to punching bag for unoriginal fuckwits who think pop culture references are the height of wit. Don't get me wrong it's still shit, and all of your criticisms are perfectly valid.
yes! the only movie that uses that right is in Shrek cuz Shrek got to know Fiona (a bit) while the prince didnt at all
And she was definitely about to marry the wrong guy. Not the love of her life, just a greedy little thing that wanted to lock her up in another tower.
Yeah, she realized that shrek is love, shrek is life.
CarrFlix SHREK IS LOVE SHREK IS LIFE
CarrFlix Amen, my Brogre.
i know these things are a lot of work but i wish they did them more often );
+Sophie Meijborg right?! they made it seem like once a month was every other day in the outro haha. but as long as they keep coming ill keep watching!
"I actually need a water refill and there's no way she's coming over here now" haha gold
This isn't creepy, but what about when you've known someone for a few month and then you suddenly alter you life plans just to be with them, like not going to Harvard like you've dreamed of all your life because of a relationship you've just started. It puts tons of pressure on that couple who may want to break up within a weekThere's also the whole 'following her home just to see her' thing they do in Hunger Games (btw I do like the series, it's just an example) and the one where two people bond over the fact they're emotionally damaged, like in Silver LiningsPlaybook. People like that aren't't generally stable enough to 've with one another,and once you get past the whole crazy thing there's nothing left.
Slynn B I know I'm late but Peeta used to follow Katniss home after school, hence he said something along the lines of: 'I used to watch you. Everyday.'
I don't remember him following her home. Just that he used to watch her when school is finished.(Looking at her going home, not following her home)
Weren't they right across the street neighbours? They followed the same road back home then.
I always saw the silver lining playbook one as they bonded first over their crazy and then actually spent time together and got to know each other. The whole dance practice thing was their "friends to more" transition period.
I mean to be fair to Peta he was supposed to be like 12 when he did it we all do stupid s*** at 12
You left out forrest gump. The romance in that movie is all kinds of weird.
And it has really huge double standards like if a guy who was a model had sex with a mentally challenged chick it would be everywhere all over the news it'd be considered rape
Gas_mask13
The movie doesnt, people may. Also stfu.
That kinda gets a pass seeing how Forrest actually does not and could not understand what he's doing.
BDWJ1986 Actually, there is only about a 25% chance of an HIV positive mother passing the disease on to her child during pregnancy/childbirth. Source: www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/prevention/reduce-your-risk/pregnancy-and-childbirth/
Plus I don't think Jenny had HIV before she left Forrest. Yes, she did clean up her act after that, but I doubt it was instant. My interpretation of the situation was that she probably continued on her destructive path until she realized she was pregnant, and then she HAD to clean up her act. She easily could have gotten HIV from a dirty needle in that interim, which could have been several months long.
BDWJ1986 She probably died of Hepatitis C. And, just to make this movie a little worse for you, it may not be Forrest's kid at all. If you look at the timeline, she probably had the kid a long time after she was with Forrest. That would meant that she just sent the kid to live with him because she had no idea who the father was, and knew that forrest would provide for him. The only single piece of evidence that they are related is the the way that they watch TV.
Huh. When they started talking about Twilight, I was sure they were going to say that one of the creepy things portrayed as romantic in that is stalking... Or creeping into someone's house and watching them while they sleep... Or being around a hundred fucking years older than them... Wow, there was a lot of creepy shit in that series that was passed off as being romantic...
Don't forget that Edward is over a hundred years old and Bella a teenager. Also 50 shades was a fanfic of it. Should prove how sick it is imo
Agreed on the 80 year age difference, but if you judge things based on some fan fiction written about them, EVERYTHING is sick.
Intercepting someone at the airport. My ex did this. I almost had TSA take him away.
I've had the Ted Mosby thing happen to me and didn't realize it until now. What the actual fuck!😨
Did Daniel looks-shame a pretty girl because he was attracted to her? Oh, Daniel...
Did you just use the term "looks shame"? Puh-leeze
Corina Holloway Did you miss the joke. Come on.
Eeek, I guess I didn't 😕 Sarcasm doesn't always come across in print and I guess without the benefit of knowing your humor I did not and was in fact talking about it to people - (this pc sensitivity shit has reached new levels!)
My bad!
"Stop, I'm doing great!" After all these years, still Dan's best line.
need after hours more often.
Bunny yes
"The show's never been canceled once."
Oof.
I would love to see some movies where the woman does some romantic (not creepy) things for the guy, instead of it always being the other way around.
There are plenty. Except it’s more socially acceptable for a girl to do it.
Hey, what about the (supposed) "love-triangle" clichè?
The thought of having two guys/ chicks fight against each other for you is creepier in certain movies (-and maybe real-life) because why the hell would you like, have to be able to choose between two people who are in an obvious romantic relationship with you and have little or no say in it...?
Maybe Hollywood should really get the main character/characters to be able to get a say in who they wanna f%ck or whatever... IN Some movies, the main character really doesn't know that they're in a love-triangle AT ALL!
You frequently mention "Say Anything," and mentioned the ending to "The Graduate," but failed to take notice that they both end with unhappy, unloving endings. Daine Court confronts her dad toward the end of the movie and tells him, "you taught me to say anything," i.e. lie to get what one wants. In the very next scene, she goes back to Lloyd Dobler and tries to get back to together with him so that she can have a place to live and money. Lloyd Dobler then turns her down, at which point, she then says "I love you" as he is walking away from her because she knows that is the one thing he wants to hear. At the end of the movie, they talk about the plane possibly clashing, which symbolizes their relationship, and Lloyd Dobler says that they will be ok as long as they hear a sign ding. This ding, however, doesn't come until several seconds after the screen goes entirely black, which is because they weren't really in love, or in a healthy relationship. If you want to talk about movies, then you need to make sure you get it right. P.S. I am a fan, which is why I expect better from you.
In the better-written ones, both characters have an arc. For the man, it's often about growing up or getting his shit together so he can be taken seriously as a suitor (yes, I said it). But the woman also has faults to overcome, often to do with valuing the man she's meant to marry for the wrong reasons. Security, money, charm - whatever it might be, she has a bit of growing up to do herself. So when the wedding interruption trope is employed, it makes sense. The woman isn't always helplessly waiting for the man to make a gesture, she's just being forced to actually make a choice and reminded that her reasons for wanting the wedding aren't strong ones. Sure, she's silly enough to enter into the ceremony without proper resolve, but the guy is also silly enough to almost lose her through inaction. What I'm saying is, it's not as cut and dry as they're making out here.
Romeo and Juliet is about young assholes not really in love.. and I ate that shit up when I was in middle school! Hell I still do, but I'm also incredibly cynical my real life. Plus.. Twilight... *shudder* why was it even allowed?
***** You haven't understood the play. The whole point is that Juliet should have married Paris. The passions of youth lack the wisdom of years. The point of the story is that youthful passion leads people to do stupid things.
***** You forget one simple but crucial fact. Women weren't allowed to make their own decisions at this time. They were the property of their fathers until their marriage, then they were the property of their husbands. A marriage wasn't usually about love, it was about alliances and wealth. It is one thing to wait until your bride is a bit older (and less likely to die in childbirth) and to discovered she has married someone else, without the permission from her family.
***** It is one thing to hear that the stupid son of your enemy crashed your party. It is another thing to learn that your daughter have fallen in love with him. Just remember how angry Juliet's father became when she suddenly refused the marriage to Paris. He didn't even try to understand the reason, he just flew into a rage.
***** It is just a story though. Any story is limited to the imagination of it's creator.
Quite possibly the best channel on CZcams. I love these guys.
“It’s never been canceled” :’(
Space Is Cool it wasn’t. They were fired when the new owners realized that the cracked CZcams channel never made any money and cost the company a fortune to make. Simple business financial decision.
"That's just a play about assholes" earned my like!
Okay, you're oversimplifying things a bit.
In Harold and Kumar, (forgive me, my memory is fuzzy, so not every detail is going to be spot on) Kumar was separated from that girl for whatever reason, she meets this guy, likes him, and decides to marry him. Later, she finds that she doesn't love him as much as she thought, as people often do, even in the real world, but goes along with the marriage anyway. She finds out this guy she liked a lot more is into her, and leaves her shitty fiance for the man she truly loves.
There's no "woman attaching to whatever guy" trope, it's a relationship that started off great, and started to fizzle. This happens all the time in the real world, and sometimes people just go along with it because they don't want to be alone.
Oh, and one of those examples was a guy stopping the wedding of another guy..
I think that her fiance actually set up Harold and Kumar to go back in Guantanamo, so he was really a douchebag and she shouldn't married him regardless of her feelings for Kumar. And that movie is a comedy about two stoners, not a rom-com.
If you want a perfect example of horrible 'stop the wedding' trope, watch Made of Honor with Patrick Dempsey and Michelle Monaghan. They actually made out in church while the groom was watching.
skafiskafnjak S He was a douche in general. They made it pretty clear that she wasn't happy before he turned them in.
You're right, she shouldn't have married him in the first place. That's my point. She wasn't happy with him, but she was going to marry him anyway, until presented with a better alternative.
Kumar didn't steal her away or win her, because she wasn't an object that could be stolen, or a trophy that could be won. She's a person that almost made a bad decision, then saw a chance to make a better one and took it.
It's not a rom-com, but it was used as an example in this video, so the genre doesn't matter.
Thank you guys as always for having these talks so I don't feel alone in my insane thoughts
PLEASE MAKE MORE AFTER HOURS I LOVE THESE SO MUCH
How about the unisex (and unsettling) trope of the pursuer "accidentally lying" the first time the couple meets and then needlessly perpetuating and building on the lie throughout the movie until it's snowballed into felony perjury. Once the duped lover uncovers the truth (either ten minutes before prom or a wedding) their world falls apart for approximately seven minutes of screen time until the big fat lair reappears to give an impassioned speech convincing everyone the truth doesn't matter because I love you. They make up, and presumably live happily ever after until the serial liar falls back into their old ways and infects their partner with HIV rather than tell the truth about sleeping with a hooker last time they traveled on business to Vegas.
She just nailed it so hard right tghere at the end. Genius. Freaking genius. Love this group!
I've been watching a couple of these now. You guys are brilliant. Thank you.
8:10 Poor Soren has probably eaten his words now that the show has been cancelled indefinitely. 😢
I think this is mostly just a problem with the film format. They don't have the time to show a drawn-out attraction and relationship forming based on all the little things that make real relationships work. In order to get it across the viewer, they have to make it BIG and DRAMATIC and EXCITING and full of BIG SWEEPING GESTURES. Because that's all they have the timeframe for.
It's just really fucking difficult to cram a believable relationship into 100 minutes. That's why they just often don't bother.
Novel series and longer TV shows are significantly better about this simply because they have the time to show the gradual process of love.
Up! did it in a 5 minute montage.
well said Zeke its fun to point out these funny, weird things but there movies so they kinda gotta be weird.
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I love the movie Up!, but it doesn't really refute the point that Zeke is making. The montage in question is more just a summary of the sunnier side of married life, with some references to struggles that had little to do with the relationship itself.
It doesn't really illustrate the little struggles of a relationship (romantic or otherwise). The fights, the difficult conversations, the doubts... it's all the dessert without the meal.
Personally I think it is creepy when a guy you barley know asks you to marry them after just meeting you, However usually those movies come with one of those awkward kiss scenes where the couple only kisses because a family member or friend and sometimes (Leap Year) a stranger forces you two to kiss, which would be fine in real life and yet somehow is the creepiest thing in movies.
I love everything about everything that you do! You're so insightfully nerdy, I have a dork-gasm in every episode.
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The best way to describe the After Hours segment: TV Tropes meets Seinfeld
Only accurate Rom Coms:
Friends With Benefits
Crazy, Stupid, Love
500 Days Of Summer
Don Jon (To an extent)
+Alan Munguia Add "Bridesmaids" to the list.
+Pancracia Casildo Was bridesmaids a rom com? Always thought of it as the female hangover
+Alan Munguia damn you watch a lot of rom coms, i havnt seen any of them and i watch about three movies a day
and i have even watched american psycho two just because mila kunis was in it, but i still couldnt bring myself to watch friends with benefits
laxdefender23 It has romance (Lilianne gets married) and is funny, so it's a rom-com. It also touches a lot of female psychology issues, too.
The "Stop this wedding" reference from A Night at the Roxbury, was the best!
The thing about A Night at the Roxbury is that that wedding was arranged outside Steve's control. He barely tolerates Emily. When Doug shows up with that boombox, he is saving his brother from a miserable life.
I love how Dan struggles with the waitress. Its like watching a video of my life.
Did you get better at flirting?
@@scp--297 Ye I’m engaged now. Life is crazy
Ok so about what Katie was saying at the beginng of the episode when she said: "dont focus on looks because it makes women feel like objects"..I disagree... I would consider that quite an over exaggeration or she is just being ridiculously sensitive about feeling objectified... I am a women and when you first meet someone (and thus proceed to hit on them) what more do we have to go on beyond looks? If a guy I just met kept talking about how beautiful I was I wouldn't sit there and be offended that he was "objectifying me"..I would honestly just be incredibly flattered. Katie seems to be just a tad bit quick on the "feminist preachy" trigger.. so guys (and gals!) don't be afraid to tell a woman/man they are attractive if its in an APPROPRIATE SETTING (this is key and I must agree that hitting on someone getting paid to help/serve you is quite annoying)..Even if you linger a bit on physical compliments you're not objectifying us and most normal chicks will realize that. :)
What she was trying to say was probably just sitting there and continually commenting on beauty or physical looks can become annoying or only skin deep interest. Comments obviously aren't offensive to say but if you only ever say they are pretty, it gets old.
Sydney Welch Well as someone who is both a woman and watches all of the After Hours..Katie's character can sometimes become a little bit transfixed on like Feminism and "Don't objectify this woman" type things.. I think you know what I'm saying.. I just felt the comment to be unnecessary especially when the person she was saying it to wasn't really doing the thing she said. So I was just letting guys know that It's not always a bad thing to focus a bit on looks especially when you've just met someone and that is all you have to go on.
At the initial impressions stage, everyone is shallow. Just saying. Objectifying may not be good, but then neither is dating someone you find physically unattractive. The evils of polarity.
VAPX007 Mhmm
Saying a girl is beautiful is not an insult. But in this day and age when beauty can be bought it's not really a thing anymore. Every woman is beautiful, it's so obvious that even the women that may not look that attractive can get plastic surgery or buy makeup. So calling a woman beautiful for me is just calling her a woman which is not an insult neither is it a complement to me.
I wish you guys would come back this channel was so entertaining and it has been a conversation starter for socially awkward people like me to find kindred spirits with other socially awkward people like me
I'm in the middle of my second marathon to After Hours, the one where I watch the characters behind the counter and outside...and this o e is BEAUTIFUL.
I would totally go see a romantic comedy where all the cliches were reversed between the men and women, I'd be laughing too hard to feel offended. Although I do acknowledge why many women feel offended and certainly do take that seriously.
I have one movie in mind that involves the guy running in and interrupting the wedding. Shrek.
In that movie, Fiona and Lord Farquad, a short, little, douche of a man, are the couple getting married. Lord Farquad is not marrying Fiona because he loves her, but because he wants to be king so badly he will literally marry any princess whether he has met her or not. he has never met Fiona before and only picked her out of three possible princesses that the magic mirror offered to him. Cinderella, Snow White, and of course Fiona. He didn't know which one to pick and all of his knights were telling him which one they thought he should pick. Until his right hand man, felonious, told him to pick Fiona, did he pick her. He didn't even care enough about her to rescue her from the fire breathing dragon so he hired Shrek (who is an ogre) to do it for him. When Shrek first met Fiona, he didn't have any intention of falling in love with her, but after spending about three or four days with her and got to know her that's when he fell in love with her.
I think everyone who has seen that movie, can agree with me that Shrek is the better choice for Fiona than Lord Farquad who instantly wanted to put her back in her tower after he found out that she turned into an ogre at sunset. Shrek loved her whether she was human or an ogre.
and it's also not just aimed at women, but guys too
Yeah, totally. Looks like Shrek picked at more movie tropes than we thought!
Like how you diss "courting" subtlely. Thanks, Cracked.
"I'm sorry about... the world!... for you." LMFAO Incredible.
Wow Dan and me have the same pick up techniques. The resemblance is uncanny.
Ironically I feel that there aren't a lot, if any, ROMANCE movies that portray ROMANCE properly or realistically. I'm not gonna sit here and go on about what love truly is and that "No one else understands!" because I honestly think love is open to interpretation - some people are more sentimental while others are more sexual for example - but both parties (or all in a polyamorous relationship) need to be consenting or actually in love with each other or at the very least fall in love with each other, and there needs to be RESPECT. If you're going after someone despite being rejected - and I mean like every single moment of every single day as opposed to giving it some time and getting to know the person - then you DON'T respect them. Plus romance movies just give an unrealistic idea of what a relationship is like, which can mess up a younger more impressionable audience member's views (you stop developing after 25 I think the average age is so you can still be influenced if you're younger than that). For some reason those movies only think love is extraordinarily passionate 100% of the time and you're never _not_ kissing and stuff, but if the burning hellfire even shrinks the tiniest bit or there's ever a not super-romantic time, then the relationship is doomed. Now that I think about it, are romance movies written by aromantics who are like, "Eh, this is what everyone says love is like, so...", or was there just one romance movie that did extremely well so directors just keep trying to replicate it and change as little as possible while still claiming it's totally different?
Watch About Time.
@Sex A romance film starring RAchel McAdams and Domhnall Gleeson/General Hux, where he just so happens to have the ability to travel back in time within his life span.
6:15 I just noticed that Soren has a boombox under the table.
I still miss this show. Re-watching again.
Except for the fact that those cliche stopping the wedding are preceded by them already knowing each other (often ex lovers or something) in tandem with the person the girl is with is an asshole or some variation. It's almost never a "I just met you and now that you made this big gesture I suddenly love you" type of deal.
Isabelle Oh-Criner but that just reinforces the point that the message of these movies is "women don't know what they want and need a man to tell them."
5:35 I just farted out of no where. P.S. Good God, I hope no one I know is reading these comments.
Yeah, we just scroll through them to see if someone else made the joke we were going to make.
That's really weird. I usually fart out of my butt. HAR HAR HAR!!
Renée Camus HAR HAR!!
Renee, LMAO!!! VERY clever!!!
I'll be here all week! Try the veal! :)
Best one ever, thank you.
Katie's mini-rant at the beginning was perfect. :D